GM role claimed an allied aligned leader who is listed in the OP (Cash Mai-Check). Unless he somehow knew the role doesn't actually exist in the game, I think he is probably town.

Youngminii shot down a nuke that was headed towards a likely town/cult player (sandroba). He had no reason to do that, nor was there a reason to nuke a player that was about to be lynched anyway. In addition, it's somewhat unlikely that the person who diverted the nuke was mafia aligned as it was diverted towards the conspirator; this is WIFOM, but I think he is also likely town.

Chaos13 is suspicious and I will be rereading his post history tonight.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 07 2011 18:34 GMT

#1464

No reason to do that if he was mafia, that is

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 07 2011 18:37 GMT

#1466

TAA's style is completely different from his uber aggressive style in RTM. Recommended reading.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 07 2011 18:56 GMT

#1471

Also Jeejee why did you nuke sinani206 if you were suspicious of youngminii

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 07 2011 22:28 GMT

#1498

hey sandroba what's the cult victory condition

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 08:19 GMT

#1539

If only players acted logically, it would actually be easy to tell whose story doesn't add up

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 08:25 GMT

#1540

He claimed to be "borenard montgomery of the boeritish empire" btw

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 08:45 GMT

#1543

We might have to make you name claim tomorrow Drazerk because of your utterly anti-town lies

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 09:32 GMT

#1545

On July 08 2011 18:17 Drazerk wrote:

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Fine with me although you should not trust a simple name claim.

That's not the point, the point is if we can trust townies not to lie, it's possible to trust some claims and find other suspicious

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 14:48 GMT

#1559

Look at the time line of sinani206 claiming Leon Trot-Ze and Sandroba claiming UMADIMIR LENEN. Pretty impressive improvisation if he managed to decide it was a good spot to fake claim and come up with a reasonable fake claim in less than 2 minutes. Plus him being Zombie Lenin makes sense. So much time wasted on people who are quite likely to be town at this point

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 14:56 GMT

#1562

On July 08 2011 23:52 GMarshal wrote:

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Why are we believing name claims its completely unprovable this is a CALLER game, for all we know Umadir Lenen is town until the conspirator is killed, then he discovers his love of donuts and becomes an Alien Menace/serial killer. Names mean nothing, roles mean nothing, actions are everything, and sandrobas actions don't point at him being town aligned.

I think his actions are townier than yours, frankly. Constantly pushing policy lynches against people who you believe to be town and then using your faulty anti nuke to [attempt to] save one of said policy lynches. Misreading your role PMs. Even worse, you then entrust him with keeping the town in check despite him being the catalyst to this whole mess. I think you are town, but your play certainly hasn't been helping town so far.

The focus should be people who haven't been keeping high profile

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:00 GMT

#1563

Oh wait, he actually longer than that to come up with the name. Still, I think the current focus on him is misplaced for the time being

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:02 GMT

#1566

No one is relying on claims. They are just one bit of data that can be used to determine alignment. Sometimes it's a null tell, sometimes it's not.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:36 GMT

#1579

Another player who hasn't been putting the effort he usually does into scum hunting is Mig. Then again in last game he was scum and was putting a lot more effort into it so maybe I just don't know his meta.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:41 GMT

#1581

The situation is different here though since, presumably, town has been self destructing on day 1. In that game there was a serious need for misdirection

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:50 GMT

#1583

It's possible, but I just can't see youngminii as scum. If only sandroba is somehow red, that doesn't really make sense. They would have to both be and I don't think they would be this bad.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 15:56 GMT

#1584

Another thing, if Sandroba is red, why would he claim nuke immunity after youngminii had already shot down the nuke. It's information that can only cause suspicion and help town.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 17:53 GMT

#1599

Is it normal for hosts, or Caller in particular, around here to provide safe fake claims for scum?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 18:21 GMT

#1602

That would change my opinion of Sandroba. I do find it slightly suspicious how quickly he dropped his case against YM based on the role claim. Also he seemed convinced there 100% had to be Lenin in this setup, which looks off to me. Yesterday he asked someone to save Sinani206 and YM, and now that someone did save YM, he used that fact for his case against YM.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

July 08 2011 18:59 GMT

#1605

Wait you are Cthsazsa? Why the name change