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I think everyone's just excited to see if they're the heroic Compulsive Vig who gets to kill lurkers with impunity. I know I am. | ||
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Lurker KP is going to be COOL! | ||
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There are a lot of likelies in that statement, and I'm well aware of it, tyvm. That's just my opinion. Conversely, when abused, the Zodiac Lists DO tend to clutter up the thread. | ||
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On June 28 2011 14:42 GMarshal wrote: I thought he played well, is that going to be a point of contention? Sure he fucked up in PTP, but he *did* nail me when I was happily leading the town to do my bidding. In fact without him being resurrected the town would have assuredly lost. Your opinions are your own, I made some opinionated calls on that list, which I am more than happy to defend. Fun fact, scum want to *avoid* being in the vet section of that list, as thats where the pressure is going to be when the vets start dying. Much like DB begged to be taken off the zodiac list in PTP, any mafia up there are now going to start second guessing their shots, as they don't want to expose themselves. GM, the whole idea of you making a list like that is to discuss it. I'm not attacking you, so there isn't anything to defend. I disagreed with your choice and I made my opinion known. If you're gonna step up to bat, be ready to swing sir...that's all I'm sayin. If we as a town are going to follow you (don't you even pretend you're not bucking for town leadership at this point ![]() | ||
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in XLII...it's pretty obvious I didn't trust him in PTP LMAO | ||
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At any rate, 201 is correct, Palmar DID /out before the game started. He'll either be Mod-killed or replaced before Day 2, I totally forgot. Aside from adding LSB to the vet list, which Wiggles already suggested, I have no problems with your list. :D NOW What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying? | ||
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I go to do research to answer GM's question and I come back to this?!?! Real Time is going to be INSANITY. Vaccuous and fluffy. I think 201 is leading there with the 8-10 (exaggeration, but just barely) posts concerning his name. Yes, we get it. They're not the same people. I was also going to say LSB for talking about a plan to put people on the lurker list and then not following through...but.... | ||
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![]() Who do YOU feel is disrupting town so far? | ||
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GM fully admits to subscribing to a controversial stance that he'll catch flack for. Don't you think he'd be toning it down a bit on the lurker-hunt if he were scum? | ||
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Yes, we have to find a lynch target for today...but come on guys. Bring a case with SUBSTANCE. I know, I haven't done much in the way of scumhunting yet. You don't have to remind me. I'm working on a case as we speak. Just letting you know I'm awake and reading. Ciao! | ||
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Dealing in absolutes is very scummy to me. Just sayin. Back to reading. -.- | ||
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First of all, I'd like to officially apologize for my absenteeness. I can only imagine what you must think (luckily I don't have to, because your votes speak volumes). I'd like to preface my case with the following general observations: 1)GM has disappeared since suspicion has started to fall on him. 2)Town has like 7 lynch candidates right now. Drazerk and myself are the strongest, but it is MUCH better for town if we consolidate our votes onto one or two targets. Anyone who hasn't should vote for either Drazerk or myself, regardless of who else you think is scummy. There's time to get to YOUR suspicion later on, I promise. 3)Events occur in real time. TAA's death was jarring, but such is the nature of this game. Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to the case. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:38 Drazerk wrote: Right I have just woke up and I am read the thread. @Sandroba - Ive not got an Opinion on Gm yet he seems to be pro town just crazy about killing lurkers which would not be a bad thing in any other game but with the lurker mechanic all the scum will More or less be spamming to stay off it. As for Young His plan seemed to revolve around the mafia only having 1 KP which could of been a mistake rather than a Deliberate plan to confuse the medics but it is less likely to be a mafia ploy since he would know about the KP. It is possible for Gm to be scum but I still need to read through the whole of the thread before i can make my mind up In this post, Drazerk takes the 'townie' road of soft-defending GM because, as usual, GM is posting in a wholly pro-town manner. Goes ahead and makes his opinion irrelevent however, because he then says that GM COULD be scum. As if rereading the thread will just MAKE it so. Amazing. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote: After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first? At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) This post appears to be Drazerk attacking 2 newer players for their "contentless posts"...a theme that runs RAMPANT on TL forums. The difference in this game is that when this statement was made, Draz had done VERY little in the way of providing any kind of content himself. Also interesting to note, at the tiem of this post, LSB had JUST died...and Drazerk doesn't mention it at all. Sounds like someone wasn't surprised. + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote: This post seems scummy to me...as not only excited about someone starting a bandwagon, he's also introducing multiple targets to the lynch. Anti-town. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:15 Drazerk wrote: This read is questionable, I'll admit: I feel like anyone SUBMITTING to DT checks because they have "nothing to hide" is scummy to me. It seems if he were town, he would encourage a DT to look ELSEWHERE as a DT check on him would be wasted. I may be wrong here, but this seems super-scummy to me. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:16 Drazerk wrote: So Vain calls out Drazerk for his hypocricy, and NOW Drazerk decides it's best to consolidate targets. Interesting. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: What's important to note about this post is the martyring bit. Note he not only references a previous game to encourage people to meta him, he references Martyring himself the way he does later in the thread. This leads me to believe that his martyrdom was not only premeditated, but also scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 02:55 Drazerk wrote: Right I am going to come out and change my mind, While looking through Hiro's posts I reread the entire thread and I no longer believe that GMarshal is scum, If this puts me in the firing line so be it. We shall start at the beginning then. Pretty much as soon as the game begins He starts his campaign against lurkers. This is his defending GM post. In all honesty, it's a pretty fair and honest assessment of GM. The only post like this you'll see from Draz. He takes some flack following this post because he was supposedly researching Hiro when he came to this conclusion. What's strange about that is that he did NOT form an opinion on Hiro. His next post concerning hiro is... + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2011 04:11 Drazerk wrote: Ok Im going to flush out the hiding Hiro for now - He's not got any case against him and we need him to speak up more But don't worry 206 I will not forget about you What does this even mean? Does he give an opinion at all at this point? It reads like he thinks he's suspicious, but then calls him out to speak up more, indicating that he does NOT suspect him, and only wants his opinion. Cornfusing? + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:46 Drazerk wrote: [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 05:39 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Drazerk gives me really strong strong scum vibes. Though at this point it doesnt make much sense anymore. Care to explain why you started to attack the sinani's? Hitting them doesnt make sense to me at all, they are playing anti town, but not scum. Everything pointed at GM at that point. Killing them seems a bit premature. so if drazerkcan explain that a bit more would be nice. syllo, stop taking everything so personal, and stop arguing makes you look bad/scum also makes it hard for me to read you. Cya in the morning guys, hope i wont be dead <3 If you look at my style of playing town I generally don't focus on the Main FoS as that is when mafia tend to pop out and make mistakes. This time i had no opinion on Gm either way and I wanted to show some light on two scummy targets Another patently confusing post from Drazerk. This time he says he has no opinion on GM, in spite of defending GM in a HUGE post earlier in the thread. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On June 29 2011 08:56 Drazerk wrote: Well looks like I am dead, At least when I am dead ill flip green Proving GM is innocent. Was bound to happen as I am always day 1 lynch suspect. When I die you will be at a disadvantage but at least you will have a Guaranteed Townie. ( Medics better defend him don't let my death be in vain ) I'm off to bed Here's his "martyr" post he referenced earlier...cementing my scum read on him. He then attempts to tie himself to GM in a very clear and not-so-subtle way...by outright claiming such. At this point, Draz goes into lurk mode and doesn't post anymore. So in summary: Draz tried to introduce several targets into the lynch docket, based on nothing. He backs off of actions that others call out as scummy, and makes horribly timed and terribly executed scum-moves to incriminate others. It is my hypothesis that Draz is tanking, and he attempted to tie himself to GM, so that when he flips red, GM will look bad. ##Vote: Drazerk | ||
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![]() The case on Draz was in my own words and done in isolation from others' posts. If it falls in line with others' points against Draz, maybe consider that there's a reason for that. Use your head. | ||
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First of all, my read on Drazerk stands...I don't care if you think I'm parroting other peoples' reads. I know that my reasons are valid, and I'm not going to try and say that others didn't say them first. Not only would that be a blatant lie, but in my opinion it doesn't matter one way or the other. What would you prefer I say "Oh, I agree with him." and leave it at that? I don't think so. Not only would you guys think that's EVEN MORE scummy, but that's not fun for me either. Part of the fun for me is making the case. Secondly, Palmar appears to be pushing my lynch based on A) my inactivity in this game and B) my lack of tunneling him incessantly. The inactivity bit I can understand - my meta shows that I'm far more active as town than this game shows. But come on Palmar. You think I'm scummy when I tunnel you. You think I'm scummy when I don't. You like to say that part of my meta is that I tunnel you, but you know what this reeks of? YOU tunneling ME. You did it in PTP, you did it in CCM, you're doing it this game. I don't recall tunneling you in PTP. You know why? Because in PTP I didn't find you all-together scummy. Know why I'm not tunneling you this game? Because I don't find you all-together scummy. Get with the program sir. Now, I stand by my vote on Drazrek. Nothing I've read has EVEN REMOTELY made him appear less scummy. Now he's tunneling the 206...for what? Wishywashiness? For being new at the game, something he should be well acquainted with himself? Give me a break, this guy is as scummy as they come. I can't apologize enough for my inactivity...as I stated before, CCM was really kicking my ass last night, and now I'm risking getting fired to share this post with you fine people today. Don't lynch me. Lynch Drazrek. He's by far scummier than I am, and I'm willing to make a promise that if you spare me today, I WILL get back into this game and give it the attention it deserves. Palmar, give a bro a chance, bro. ##Fistpound? | ||
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206 is playing pretty standard to his meta...any game I've seen him as town in, he claims having a hard time coming up with stuff to post, when he does, it typically parrots others' analysis and isn't EVER a strong stance one way or the other. Drazerk I have no meta on, aside from his game in SNMMIV. He DID martyr in that game, but I notice that he didn't bring attention to the fact that it's one of his "strategies" in that game. I think him bringing up his OWN meta in an attempt to verify his town status REEKS of scum, and it should to everyone else too. Meta is only useful if the person using it notices it on their own. It's absolutely useless if pointed out by the accused, as you then have to question whether or not there are ulterior motives behind it. Drazerk's play can be described as.....erratic. That much is for sure. But I lean more toward scum in his case mainly because of the whole martyr thing. I did that once, I found it was a terrible idea and is WHOLLY detrimental to my team. I can honestly say that I'd NEVER play that way again. It's like saying 'Fine, if you don't believe me, I'll just sabotage your numbers so you have less of a chance to win'....hidden under the guise of 'so you can confirm me one way or the other'. It's wrong, I consider it cheating, and the fact that he's saying that he does it all the time makes me want to lynch him even if he's town. Also, he attacked you...and you're one of the towniest townies that ever towned a town, imho. You might be a little gung-ho against inactives, but on this forum, that's just a happy byproduct of having played and hosted a TON of games where inactives LOST town the game. So there, in a nutshell, why Drazerk over 206. I think 206 is newb-town and I think Draz is newb-scum. | ||
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On June 30 2011 08:18 sandroba wrote: Fuckballs, sinani's analysis on his alter ego is actually quite decent. O.O I was literally JUST thinking that...and after I'd just said he never commits to a stance. -.- | ||
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Palmar, if you DARE say I'm scummy for doing so, so help me..... | ||
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Oh, I guess before I die I should go ahead and claim. I am a Detective, and I've had a guilty on Draz since I posted my analysis. I'm sorry that I had to come out like this, but you guys are about to make the biggest mistake of the game and I figured something had to be done. For the record, this is why I've been inactive. This is literally the FIRST time I've been given a meaningful power-role that didn't involve dying, so I didn't want to fuck it up. And with the blue-sniping of XLII, I was scared SHITLESS to post. But I can assure you, Drazerk is guilty, and HE should be hanging today, not me. | ||
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I waited to see if I could convince you, and we're now in the no-shoot-zone. I feel my reasoning is justified. @Palmar Why am I not surprised? | ||
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Can I get that ##Fistpound now? | ||
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Oh, well that makes sense...if a DT weren't already dead. I wish I could guarantee you guys have another, but...you know...I can't. | ||
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But hey, do whatever you want. I can rest easy now that you guys know the truth. | ||
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Well, maybe if you didn't PUSH me so hard in CCM.... ![]() | ||
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I mean, we could check him...we don't know WHO is on the scum team, so we have no idea if he'd be the best player FOR godfather or not...right? | ||
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If a roleblocker dies, does his target's action go through? | ||
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I'm not scumhunting right now cause I'm about to eat breakfast and my check is about to come back...but I'm gonna go scumhunting as soon as I'm done with breakfastlunch. | ||
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So there you have it...my one free investigation. Either DB was targetting me or all the mafia roleblocks were still on cooldown. Now we have to figure out how to proceed from here. I suggest d3 I do a lurker check - there are some serious people on the lurker list, not just the typical new players I was expecting to see there...so we should consider doing a lurker check d3. I'm going back to reread posts from the following: Lanaia, 201, Mr.Wiggles, and Vain. I'm hoping something comes up, as I'm not really hopeful about getting a check d3. PS, I'm still waiting on a vig to confirm GM's claim...a confirmed townie in GM would be a powerful weapon against scum. | ||
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If Chaos' plan is acceptable to the rest of town, I'll submit to it, but only if it's agreed upon by the town. | ||
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1)Vigs too chickenshit to do something for town, 2) DT noticing this and throwing a check on him, 3) DT verifying his claim. It doesn't make sense. Period. GM CAN NOT be scum, I 100% guarantee it. I'll check him tomorrow if you guys spare him tonight, but really...thinking he's scum after BEGGING for a bullet is...guys, it's retarded. There's no other way to say it. Scum WOULD NOT do that. | ||
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In the meantime, I'm going to stick my vote on Kenpachi. He's A) on the lurker list. B) NOT contributing (see A), and C) coming in randomly with classics such as: On July 01 2011 07:29 Kenpachi wrote: Im going to hop the bandwagon if you dont mind. ##vote GMarshal why? I agree with what people are saying right now. That is all. I agree with what people are saying right now. Interestingly enough, people are saying ALL KINDS of things. Which things do you agree with? Which things do you NOT agree with? What are your thoughts on 206/supersoft? Why so lurky bro? Come play with us! | ||
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![]() If the medic protects GM then nothing is proven one way or the other. The idea is to send a bullet into his vest and for him to survive...thereby confirming his town status. And as 201 says, to kill him if he's scum. The medic will only complicate matters. | ||
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Seriously though, can we PLEASE consider using my lurker checks tomorrow? Chances are the GF isn't a lurker (unless it's GM...imagine if he replaces out as GF lmao), and clearly if Kenpachi is scum they could seriously be trying to lurk their way to victory, knowing we've been hesitant so far to fire into lurkers so far. If I didn't agree with chaos13 about there probably not being any vigs in the setup, I'd say I'm reconsidering open-season on lurkers. At any rate, I can't think of a single reason why a vig would have killed Varpulis. Obviously (WIFOM notwithstanding) scum either killed Varp to push suspicion on me, or they don't want confirmed towies around. All I can say in my defense is that I was trying to protect him from scum by not revealing his role immediately. I apologize to town for outting him as innocent. I guess I should have checked someone else and told sandroba to stuff it...as I said, I'm new to the whole blue business. | ||
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That means I'm in all likelihood the last DT...no pressure or anything. ![]() @syllo and everyone concerned about the timing of my Draz check The fact of the matter is that I didn't SAVE my check, I checked him about an hour after I first could. The reasoning was based on meta, admittedly. Remember what I said about martyrs? I followed SNMMIV because SNMMII was my first game here and I bore witness to his little ploy in that game. I didn't like it then, in spite of him being town all along. I thought he might try the same nonsense in this game so I wanted to find out his alignment RIGHT off the bat. Not much of a reason, but there isn't much of a reason to do anything that early in the game...from what I gather, blues typically have to wait until after d1 to make any checks, which is AMPLE time to have sufficient reason to check someone. Also, regarding my Kenpachi vote, I've played a couple of games with this guy and I've read some too...he's active when town, to the point of annoyance sometimes. I guess I just missed the guy. It was really just a pressure vote, but I felt it was justified because of his inactivity / presence on the lurker list. If he was still on the lurker list tomorrow, he was my #1 priority to check. I'm reading over 206 and YM's posts now...I was leaning pretty town on YM before, so I'm starting with him. | ||
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