Closed Casket Mafia - Page 3

On June 30 2011 23:20 Fishball wrote:


It doesn't matter what he claims, as in my eyes, whatever he claims would be a lie.

It was rather fortunate for him that he actually said a Medic saved him last night. If he claims that he is a Veteran, than obviously one of us is lying (not like he isn't already). If I'm lying, there there will be no argument. But a Mafia Veteran? Good luck with that.

Now, he claims that a Medic saved him. No, I don't need the Medic to come fourth to prove the claim if a Medic did save him, but there are a few questions everyone might want to ask themselves first.

- RoL has not exactly shown the strongest Town-aligned play in this game, in fact, alot of his stuff falls into the grey area. The "oops, I missed my vote" move he pulled at the end raised eyebrows. Why would a Medic, among all players, would choose to protect him?

- Caller has claimed Vigilante and shot GMarshal at the start (I'm still pondering this). deconduo has also claimed Vigilante. So if what RoL says is true, there has to a third Vigilante or similar type of role out there that has Night KP. What is the likelihood of this?

- You combine the two variables up top; What is the likelihood that RoL's claim is true?

- Furthermore, do I seem to be making up all this fuss just to paint RoL red?

That's all I have to say.

On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

You know what, lets get serious. I think I have actually figured out exactly what happened and it makes perfect sense. I know I was floating somewhat in the gray area since I hadn't actually done a lot of legwork on day 1, and hell I don't even know what I was more surprised about, getting hit or getting protected.

But I think I figured it out. Since you are scum and you are using my voting no lynch accident as the thing that made me look scummy, and by association made VisceraEyes look scummy, meaning you basically lined up a vig/lynch for the next cycle as well as getting me offed.

But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving.

Considering someone died last night though, I am unsure of where the extra KP came from, I first guess would be that caller lied and is a compulsive/multi hit role and just tried to kill me, perhaps even a third party. He said something about suspecting me earlier in the night.

At the same time this would mean both me and scamp took a hit last night, which is odd. I would view the scamp hit as more likely a mafia hit trying to blue snipe. On the flip side I think this means I must have been hit by a third party. I think if I was caller and third party a good way of trying to play this game would be to try and kill the mafia off knowing that even if you hit a townie you are still helping your win conditions. This would also explain to me how caller is claiming to have multiple powers that we can't fully understand. This would also explain why he didn't give a fuck and just day 1'd Gmarshal, a generally very good town player who establishes himself really well in games as town which could be problematic later on if he called out caller on his trolly bullshit.

lol I am so happy caller is actually doing work now. That post on LSB will save me some time later on. On the bright side, I can now stop labeling you as effortless troll!

On July 01 2011 01:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I explained how your behavior could be explained by third party actions. What kind of fucking vigilante can hit on N0 and even more to the point, what type of Vigilante hits for the fuck of it? The best part about your little Deconduo claim is that it is impossible for him to confirm this since he has been mod killed. In the same breath you say that only you and Deconduo were vigilantes, then explain why the fuck I got hit? Yeah, thought so. GTFO.

We don't know the nature of your potential third party powers or objective. I never said you were a straight serial killer or anything. And as for violating your win conditions by doing something insane in a closed set up game. Lets look back to that game you claimed insane Japanese-Israeli busdriver and managed to not fucking die even after I tried firing two nukes at you. So forgive me if I don't think you will die because of one simple lie, which can easily be explained by some sort of greater good excuse to be determined at a later time.

There was never an about face, don't make shit up. As I said before, as a third party your best method to win in this set up would be to try to kill the mafia, as I said LSB is town. Me saying you look shitty now doesn't mean I can't agree with you that LSB looks shitty. Your logic is completely wrong and you know it. That's roughly equivalent to saying "If someone flips town, then everything they said was right." Inversely speaking, If I think you are scum, then you must be wrong/lying in your accusation.

That is not the case, since both you, me, and fishball say LSB looks like shit. As far as getting the town to waste a lynch on you goes, I am perfectly fine with you targeting mafia. I also have no clue what stunt you are referring to and can't even remember that game, so you might have to be more specific.

On July 01 2011 01:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

No, I am saying fishball is full of shit and that's why you shouldn't kill me. Look how fast I am getting stacked, this is clearly bullshit.

On July 01 2011 01:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Wait until this medic claims then if you truly think I am a liar caller. I think its probably VisceraEyes, which you guys obviously lend no credit to. But lets see if someone else claims to have saved me.

As I said earlier, I am purely speculating on you caller. The second hit confuses the shit out of me, and I can't explain it other then by what I wrote or another vig. If you don't believe there is a medic, then there is no problem in waiting for him to hopefully role claim, if I am lying, it won't happen.

We fundamentally disagree on your first response though. A. What are you talking about? B. I still think it was dumb and C. you are wrong.

On July 01 2011 02:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Are you fucking kidding? If you are gungho about getting me killed why would you dismiss evidence to the contrary? Is this a fucking joke? You are saying I am a lying mafia, I am saying I am not.

On July 01 2011 02:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Your logic sucks, and you are wrong. How the fuck does me saying the medic who protected me needs to call it out translate to me trying to flush out medics?

On July 01 2011 02:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I feel betrayed by blood.

On July 01 2011 03:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Fuck you.

On July 01 2011 03:03 Kurumi wrote:
Oh Yeah Caller,when only one death flips I am dead sure YOu're scum. Scratch the part about Fishball and BC,I am undecided.

On July 01 2011 03:13 Palmar wrote:


That doesn't even make fucking sense.

if BC is mafia and you're not, he's hardly stupid enough to lie about you telling the truth, fully knowing you could easily call him out on it.

I say we kill and hang you all.

BC is truthful, I am truthful.

BC is truthful, I am lying.

BC is lying, I am truthful.

BC is lying, I am lying.

On July 01 2011 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Cool

I have all faith you will prove your loyalty by shooting BC.

Doesn't mean we won't lynch you.

On July 01 2011 03:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


No you haven't. You support lynch all liars, then apparently have continued to lie all game? I have proven you as a liar via my role. You just believe I am red and are trying to get me killed. Claiming this "hit" of yours in thread however would now give all night anti town kp roles a place to shoot. If you are town like you claim I will die and no one else and you will be proven a liar. If I do die as well as someone else, it proves I lied, but it does not clear you as a vig as with such a small setup town would not have two vigi's (1 being decon 1 being you) as that would be more town kp in a single night than mafia. In which case you would be proven red or sk.

So you claim I am lying, I now claim you are lying. As such only one of us can be right, but regardless of if I die it proves you are not town, whereas me living proves that I am in fact truthful(barring mafia stacking with you"kill")

On July 01 2011 04:13 Fishball wrote:
I was typing up a reply regarding to RoL's big post, but since he is dead, it would be pointless to argue with a dead man.

Anyways, RoL has been trying to discredit me due to the fact that I claimed, repeatedly calling it a retarded move, even though I had already explained why. Claiming blindly is never a good thing, no matter what role, but a well timed claim definitely has its merits.

If you guys reread my post, my claim was definitely not just about RoL, but the entire Mafia team. I've explained my every thought in detail, and how I came to those conclusions. If I had not claimed and just made the analysis, most likely a lot of arguing back and forth (including "those" that support RoL) would occur, resulting in unwanted chaos. RoL had tried to fight to survive, but as you can see among his arguments, holes were everywhere. My claim has the ability to seal the lynch much faster and rid of most of the useless crap. I can't lurk forever, especially when the number of players go down steadily. I saw this as a great opportunity to make a move, and I did.

RoL also says that by me claiming, it ruins the ability to analyze the lynch. That is not true. LSB and ILJ haven't responded to my post of accusing them, yet they were quick to jump on the vote train without showing much. This might not necessarily mean anything, but it is still a point of interest for people to look at.

Now I've said that unless BC is a Godfather or the sort, he is Town, based on my check and his posting behavior. BC also claims that he is a Lie Detector, and vouched for what I had claimed about my abilities are true. Now from a uninformed Townie point of view, these two claims won't mean jack unless publicly proven. That's understandable. However if one of us lies, both of us would be viewed as Mafia. That's two free kills. I doubt Mafia would be that gutsy.

If there are any roles out there, still alive, that can reveal the alignment of a dead player, I suggest them use that ability on RebirthOfLeGenD right now, or during Night if it is a Night ability. That would be the best case scenario.

Worst comes worst, if I can't prove my role besides BC words, does it really means I'm a fake? I've made all my arguments as transparent as possible. LSB, VisceraEyes, and ilovejonn are all strong Mafia candidates, do you think I would be lying just to further paint these people red?

Next Night, even if I don't die, I expect to be role-blocked. Although the thought that no one has come forward claiming they have been blocked is making me skeptical whether this role exists in the game or not. Even if they do block me, they can't do it on consecutive Nights. Regardless, if I die, I expect the Town to be looking at LSB and VisceraEyes, especially LSB, he would be my next lynch candidate. If Medics decides to keep me going, I'll obviously try to provide the Town with whatever information I can get my hands on.

Best case scenario: RoL's alignment is revealed and Town rolls from there.

That's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. If any of my arguments look slightly scummy in any way or form, point it out and question me. I'll answer them.

On July 01 2011 04:21 Jackal58 wrote:

???? How?

On July 01 2011 04:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


As a general note, caller is lying in this statement. Mafia can shoot their own members, so me dying would reveal nothing on callers alignment. If two shots happen, he is likely sk, if 1 shot happens and its not on me, he is a 1 shot vig as I claimed.