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On June 28 2011 12:58 LSB wrote:
@BC I agree with you.
Now, back to the important stuff
About Deconduo and Fishball
Deconduo believes that Fishball should die, and would like nothing better to stand over his dead body.
Fishball believes Deconduo is mafia (correct me if I'm wrong on this), and therefore wouldn't be able to vig shot him, but rather would use a mafia hit.
What's an easy way to deal with this problem? Easy! Stick them in a cage and see who comes out alive. Just let deconduo shoot Fishball tonight. Oh, and can I please ask vigs to not hit people? Thx
*If Fishball survives, well, deconduo has some explaing to do
*If we find two bodies tomorrow morning, deconduo is a bit better off in his story
*If all we find tomorrow is Fishball dead, one body. Well, back to square one.
There! Clean and simple solution that doesn't waste a lynch
Ah yes, LSB logic. Oh, how I miss it.
1. If deconduo decides not to shoot me, that doesn't necessarily prove anything. It can be a ploy, or it can a be a genuine decision.
2. If we both die, that also doesn't proves anything. What is this "story" that your dreamt about?. deconduo thinks I'm green, but wants to kill me because he is annoyed. If I'm Mafia and I try to take him out with me, how would this story make sense? What would be the point for Mafia to take him out if I were for sure to die? I'm sure there are better targets out there.
3. Square one? If that is what you think, then you have already written me off, as I have no use to the Town at all; What do you take me for, a disposable chess piece? I don't even know what to say.
On June 28 2011 13:11 LSB wrote:
Uhh... Just saying... I'm not trying to say anything about either's alignment, it's a test to vertify whether or not deconduo's claim holds up.
Certainly if we wake up tomorrow and Fishball and Caller are both killed, deconduo seems a bit more believable.
If tomorrow only one person is killed, well something fishy went on and deconduo is a bit less believable.
As for analyzing I'm getting a null read on Fishy, and deconduo I'm bothered by his confidance in his KP.
WTF is this shit? This is even worse than deconduo.
If I were a Dayvig, I'd instant kill you now.
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I normally don't like wasting my time picking out other player's post, but this is just getting ridiculous.
On June 28 2011 14:08 sandroba wrote:
I actually think you guys are missing the point on LSB post to be honest, cuz I can see a really pro-town outcome if you read between the lines.
Blanket statement with no content. Me and BC at least explained our arguments. What you're literally saying is, "John Doe is a nice guy, just look between his legs".
On June 28 2011 14:08 sandroba wrote:
Chaoser is my number one suspect for the moment, I call him out on lurking then he pops up and posts a ranking list with no explanation. Seriously?
I wonder how many times I've seen this. Regardless of what Chaoser's alignment and the content of his posts, your accusations alone does not make a strong case. Accuse a random lurker, lurker pops out and posts something, therefore said lurker is scum!
On June 28 2011 14:08 sandroba wrote:
@Deconduo What do you think about chaoser? Is he town that needs to die or scum?
"Is he town that needs to die or scum?" What kind of shit question is this? "Town that needs to die?" What, are you deconduo Junior?! Does the consensus shows a strong town read on deconduo? No. Then why are you asking deconduo specifically? What do YOU think of Chaoser besides the so called reason listed above?
To summarize, your post is a filler post, with little to no content, faking activity and discussion with an agenda that does not help Town at all. Normally, I would just disregard these posts, assuming the players were just bad, but since this is an invitational game, I'm curious about your alignment.
On June 28 2011 11:50 Jackal58 wrote:
Just so there are no misconceptions Fishball, my post regarding what I perceive as lunacy from decon is in no way shape or form a defense of you. For all I know right now you're as scummy as they get.
And back to Jackal while I'm at it. Like I said, I never named names. Those who defended me have made it obvious. Regardless, you also think I'm scummy - "as scummy as they get" that is. Alright, cool. Do you have a case about it? No? Another blanket statement?
Is this the so called contribution and activity everyone was yearning for? I call this crap.
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On June 28 2011 15:14 sandroba wrote:
LOL seriously? Have you read chaoser's second post after I called him out for lurking?
Also way to make me look scummy when I was obviously calling out deconduo on his earlier statement (that you were 75% and needed to die) and trying to get his opinion on chaoser.
I think it's pro-town because it discourages mafia from hitting anyone if they want to cause confusion or Decon is mafia or 2 people get hit. If medics can figure your aligment the outcome is pretty pro-town don't you think?
I knew you would jump the gun. I said regardless of what Chaoser's alignment and what he says. Both BC and you have made a post targeting Chaoser, yet you don't see me picking on his post.
Alright, I'll take your point and let that deconduo statement slide, but still, my main point stands. Small talk back and forth, asking questions (like the majority of your posts) doesn't do much. If you have a case against someone, go all out on it; If you have points to be made, make it and support it.
In general, I don't see much of that in the thread among the players, instead I see a lot of blanket statements and shallow accusations and questioning. No doubt there will be Mafia among them trying to blend, but it pisses me off more when a Town aligned player pull these acts. Besides my random jabs, there is a reason why I like to remain silent until I have something to say.
On June 28 2011 15:14 sandroba wrote:
I think it's pro-town because it discourages mafia from hitting anyone if they want to cause confusion or Decon is mafia or 2 people get hit. If medics can figure your aligment the outcome is pretty pro-town don't you think?
...Mafia is not dumb. If two people were strangling each other throats, it's common sense to let them fight each other. LSB saying this "out loud" does not make it a pro-town move. Important thing is, what if there is a Mafia among us? What if deconduo is Mafia? He just got away with a free kill. Hell I already made a couple posts regarding deconduo, and replied to LSB's post point by point up top.
If you still don't see the logic, then I can't help you.
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On June 29 2011 22:31 Caller wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Why I voted LSBLSB has dropped more one-liners than Horatio Crane. On June 29 2011 00:28 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole.
I will gladly answer everything. Missed that game. All right, I'll take a look at it On June 29 2011 07:53 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:48 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:45 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 07:43 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly? Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes. If there is a roleblocker and Fishball is mafia then yes, I will be blocked. Then I'm going to have a fun day tomorrow that will probably, given how most people are acting so far, end up with me lynched. However if Fishball is town then I'm sure mafia will be happy to let me kill him. Win-Win situation. Exactly, so you see why a vig would never claim? On June 29 2011 07:47 LSB wrote:
And it would be naive to try to argue that there isn't one. On June 29 2011 07:45 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:43 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. And you know theres a roleblocker how exactly? Because in nearly every game there is a roleblocker or some sort for balance purposes. On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:
Of course, both can't be mafia, and if you told me to pick one, I'd pick decon.
So
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##Vote: Deconduo On June 29 2011 00:23 LSB wrote:
Oooh that makes more sense.
##VOTE: Chaoser
Placeholder vote. But I still think we should look at Kurumi He’s also Lord Ispeculateaboutsetupinsteadofwhosmafiaasidefromeasytroll On June 29 2011 00:46 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:27 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,read PYPI,I was Mafia here,together with Chezinu,Caller,Ace,tnkted and Gmarshal as a mole.
I will gladly answer everything. Your aggressiveness is new (from what I've gathered), your mafia experience is not. So I'll stick you back in the null reads box since Palmar cleared up his analysis. On June 29 2011 00:20 LSB wrote:For the record if the deadline was tonight, I would be voting Chaoser for lurking. Of course, the deadline isn't tonight, so no need to hurry the decision. Now to look at Kurumi. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 21:56 Palmar wrote:Hi, I want to write a little piece on the most helpful player in town. He thinks he's Ace, but he isn't. Also, he's bad. And he's scum. On June 27 2011 19:33 Kurumi wrote:
GGQ was killed because he is lucky when it comes to being mafia,gg vigilante. Nice analysis, only someone like you could honestly think such bullshit, but no worries, you can just hide behind the fact that "you're trolling". Oh wait, that's bad for town too. On June 27 2011 22:57 Kurumi wrote:
LSB,why the heck are You discussing night hits when we don't know shit,why do You suspect Caller killing GGQ? I know there are people with motive to kill GGQ,but betting it on Caller just because is dumb. I think we should leave Night hits for now. If you know something that the town doesnt, care to share? On June 28 2011 02:53 Kurumi wrote:
I will continue herping derping till something worth a while comes or two men in black come to my house. ok, so you're not only being deliberately bad, but you're also refusing to try to help. There's nothing to it but scum. Can we just shoot him yet? Intresting analysis. But why does "trolling" make someone mafia? If trolling makes someone mafia, shouldn't Caller also be in that list? Now to add my own two cents. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) I haven't played with Kurumi yet, but a quick overview over his posting history shows that he normally isn't this aggressive. In addition, I don't believe he has played as mafia yet here, and the first time as mafia is always difficult. Could the aggressiveness be a sign of defensiveness? Or did I skim over his posts in XL too much? + Show Spoiler [Spam] +On June 28 2011 21:56 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 21:37 deconduo wrote:
I have two trains of thought going on at the moment:
-Fishball is mafia. Mafia are scared that I'm going to kill him so they are trying to get me lynched. I would put Fishball, BC, Kurumi as scum. Other possible suspects are Palmar, Jackal, Chezinu. Radfield, LSB are probably town.
-Fishball is town. Mafia are just lurking away happy at the fact that nothing is going on. Chaoser, ILJ, sandroba would be my biggest suspects. Radfield, BC, Caller (*sigh*), probably town.
If you put a gun to my head, given how the game has played out so far, my gut says option number 2 right now.
If you want me to say something like Fishball is 100% town or 100% mafia, don't be dumb. Its day 1, theres not exactly a lot to go on. I don't know anything for certain. I do know that Fishball has been pretty unhelpful so far. When he was asked nicely to step up his game he refused. When he was threatened to step up his game he refused. As such, unless a better target presents itself, I'm shooting him tonight. No you're not. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Dtq68.jpg) Ooh that's a clever flowchart, doesn't seem that fun but it helps On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Show nested quote +Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. On June 29 2011 07:42 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:35 deconduo wrote:On June 29 2011 07:21 LSB wrote:On June 29 2011 04:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I then use what I believe to be my most accurate reads to watch interactions between players like with LSB on Fishball/Deconduo, which if I assume I am right is a really scummy perspective to use.
All I'm saying is let us leave them alone and not bother to lynch either of them. I'm not getting that much warm fuzzies towards them and I don't see how your "I can't read Fishball" somehow means he is town. Fishball- Generally has that I don't give a FUCK attitude, but his contributions are noteworthy. He's a notoriously difficult player to read though. I'd say likely town currently. Btw I ran through Fishball's posts and I haven't really found any "Noteworthy Contributions", unless attacking Decon is noteworthy And deconduo I don't like how he is drawing too much attention to himself as vig. From what I remember, viges shoot first and talk later here, not the other way around. And mafia do want to draw attention to themselves? Yeah. How about looking at all the people defending Fishball saying he has contributed a lot. Theres at least 4 people who have said so yet every time I asked them to point out a SINGLE post they have failed to do so. Palmar, ROL, BC, Kurumi have all claimed as such but refuse to back it up. Certain mafia like to draw attention to themselves, certain mafia don't. I just don't see why a vig would like to draw attention to himself. See, if Fishball was really mafia, the only thing that's gonna happen tonight is the roleblocker is going to pay you a visit, and all that's left is an angry town wondering why there is only one dead body. As for people defending Fishball, well by the pigeonhole principle states that not all of them can be mafia, and certainly I'd like more proof of his contributions, but saying someone is mafia because people are defending him is pretty wifom. In other words, in about 15 posts LSB has not said one goddamn thing and got away with it. He's either a blue or scum, and I feel LSB would be far more aggressive if he were a blue than he is now. This has been the 9:15 news.
After reading his analysis on me and deconduo, I did say I'd shoot him on the spot if I can.
Anyways, I'm really busy at work now, couldn't even post a thing yesterday. I will be busy for the next couple days. Was going to make a major move, but just don't have the time right now to type it up and constantly pay attention to it, it probably wouldn't matter anyways. *cough*
Just trying to squeeze in a post and read some of the thread right now while getting my morning refreshments. Hopefully I can drop by again during lunch break.
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lol, just got time to catch up.
I didn't even see that deconduo was mod killed when I made a post this morning. Now I'm very interested why.
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On June 30 2011 13:16 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Who the fuck tried to kill me last night?
Oh, if only if it was true.
So the first cycle was somewhat eventful for me. My little spin with deconduo was able to keep me low for a couple Nights. When he claimed that he had a gun, I had no choice but to improvise with my plan, accusing him scum. If what he claimed was true, the stubborn tunnel-vision fucker would have really shot me. In truth, he was never a true scum candidate to me. I made my "best case" against deconduo, but I knew that the town wouldn't fall for it (especially in an invitational game) and him resulting in a lynch would be far from likely. In doing so, it was a subtle attempt to talk deconduo off NOT to shoot me, and also to observe how all the players would react; I saw a lot of things.
I would have ride along for another Night if possible, but I think I have sufficient information to come forward.
I am a Cop
Since I cannot copy and paste my role description, let me explain how my role works. When I check a player, the results either comes back as "Innocent" for Town aligned players, or "Guilty" for Mafia.
I questioned Ace immediately upon receiving my role, and he has clarified that there are no sanity variants of my role. Everything is straight forward with my checks, which is pretty much what I had expected in a no-flip game.
Here are my check results:
Night 0 - Innocent - BloodyC0bbler
Night 1 - Guilty - RebirthOfLeGenD
Night 0 was with limited information and was hard to get a read on everyone. I picked BC to have him out of the way first, for good or bad.
Night 1 was a bit trickier. My goal was to check the less obvious targets, those that are in the gray area, but you know that something doesn't add up. I had a few candidates: Palmar, ilovejonn, and RebirthOfLeGenD. At the end, I picked RoL based on a my observation of his posting, the overall voting pattern for Day 1, and the fact that he took off his vote from VisceraEyes and broke the promise that he would his change his vote back; A key factor that Day 0 resulted in a no-lynch.
Since RebirthOfLeGenD ended up as Guilty, based on the move he pulled with his vote, I'm even more inclined that VisceraEyes is also scum, not like he isn't a major candidate already. RoL had explained why he missed the vote change, but I obviously don't buy it, he knows way better than that. Not like I can doubt my own check anyways.
Now 4 players had voted for Amber[Light]: VisceraEyes, Chezinu, Scamp, and RebirthOfLeGenD. Amber has not been the most active player, yes, but there were not many holes among his minimal amount of posting either. As you can see, none of the so called "well-known-solid-players" have voted for him, and it only make sense. It seems to me that Mafia is using a lurker (Amber) as a scapegoat to divert their votes onto, as they obviously do not want to lynch one of their own, which is VisceraEyes. Scamp is obviously Town since he was killed on Night 1, and Chezinu? No comment.
Moving back to deconduo and the 3 players who voted for him. Myself, ilovejonn, and LSB. I already explained my thoughts up top on why I had voted for deconduo. To be honest, there shouldn't be anyone beside myself voting for deconduo.
Let's talk about LSB first. Based on the posts he made on page 14 and 15, I already had him locked as Mafia. What I said back then was sincere. If I were a Day Vigilante, I would have instantly shot him. + Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 14:27 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:58 LSB wrote:
@BC I agree with you.
Now, back to the important stuff
About Deconduo and Fishball
Deconduo believes that Fishball should die, and would like nothing better to stand over his dead body.
Fishball believes Deconduo is mafia (correct me if I'm wrong on this), and therefore wouldn't be able to vig shot him, but rather would use a mafia hit.
What's an easy way to deal with this problem? Easy! Stick them in a cage and see who comes out alive. Just let deconduo shoot Fishball tonight. Oh, and can I please ask vigs to not hit people? Thx
*If Fishball survives, well, deconduo has some explaing to do
*If we find two bodies tomorrow morning, deconduo is a bit better off in his story
*If all we find tomorrow is Fishball dead, one body. Well, back to square one.
There! Clean and simple solution that doesn't waste a lynch Ah yes, LSB logic. Oh, how I miss it. 1. If deconduo decides not to shoot me, that doesn't necessarily prove anything. It can be a ploy, or it can a be a genuine decision. 2. If we both die, that also doesn't proves anything. What is this "story" that your dreamt about?. deconduo thinks I'm green, but wants to kill me because he is annoyed. If I'm Mafia and I try to take him out with me, how would this story make sense? What would be the point for Mafia to take him out if I were for sure to die? I'm sure there are better targets out there. 3. Square one? If that is what you think, then you have already written me off, as I have no use to the Town at all; What do you take me for, a disposable chess piece? I don't even know what to say. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:11 LSB wrote:
Uhh... Just saying... I'm not trying to say anything about either's alignment, it's a test to vertify whether or not deconduo's claim holds up.
Certainly if we wake up tomorrow and Fishball and Caller are both killed, deconduo seems a bit more believable.
If tomorrow only one person is killed, well something fishy went on and deconduo is a bit less believable.
As for analyzing I'm getting a null read on Fishy, and deconduo I'm bothered by his confidance in his KP. WTF is this shit? This is even worse than deconduo. If I were a Dayvig, I'd instant kill you now.
At first, he suggests letting deconduo shoot me and Town should not intervene, which I pointed out would not prove anything, and at worst I die for nothing except for satisfying deconduo's bloodlust, Town loses a Cop (maybe the one and only) and Mafia can laugh at my "foolishness"™. Then for whatever reason, he votes for deconduo that is not likely to be lynched, instead of the more scummy VisceraEyes that was already leading the majority of the votes. It seems to me that this was just another case of Mafia spreading out their votes. My case against deconduo seems to be "decently developed" but it was just a trap and LSB stepped right into it. Caller, BC and maybe a couple others has also called out LSB as well, so this only supports my claim - LSB is Mafia.
Last, we have ilovejonn. ilovejonn is a smart player, his posts doesn't give away much, and even talks a lot of sense in some. Why would a smart player such as himself vote for deconduo? In Radfield's words, deconduo was oozing with green. I was a bit perplexed and had him listed as one of my check candidates as mentioned above. If a fourth Mafia is still alive, I'd be willing to put my money on him; No matter, I will check him on Night 3.
In conclusion, these are my Mafia picks.
- VisceraEyes
- RebirthOfLeGenD
- LSB
- ilovejonn (If we have a fourth Mafia, which is likely we still do)
Oh, and before someone questions, I realize there is a possibility of a Godfather or a similar type of role which would affect my check results. However, as you can see, I don't solely rely on my check ability. As for my claim and credibility, if there are players that think what I've said up top does not make any sense, I'm pretty sure there are role(s) out there to confirm the alignment of dead players, especially in a game like this. We'll discuss more tomorrow.
Great, now it's almost 1:30am and I have to wake up 6am for work.
Good night.
PS.
##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
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Noticed I never weighed in on GMarshal's plan early on? I can see where he's coming from, but I did not share his view of offing the DT right away if the DT makes a claim accusing another, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing the merits of such plan. No matter, even if part of the Town agreed with him, regardless of what happens, I need to make sure that the timing of my claim is right and the information is sufficient. 1-for-1 trade? Not good enough.
I see my role as an extremely high value target for the Mafia due to the nature of my checks. Obviously, if a Medic does not protect me in next Night phase, I will very likely die; If Mafia has a Role-Blocker, I'm pretty damn sure I would be role-blocked. If any of my checks were validated, my credibility will go through the roof and if Town can keep me alive, all I have to do is go through the players with checks. The game would be in the bag. Of course this would be the most ideal situation.
However, I'm not naive enough to think that everything would go so smooth. The check on RoL was crucial, as it links a lot of broken pieces together, especially with the bizarre overall voting pattern on Day 1. If RoL resulted in innocent, I would not have come fourth; Since I have, I'm confident with my picks and read. Even if I'm wrong with one or two, or if I die, I'm sure the Town can pick up from there.
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On June 30 2011 22:03 Caller wrote:
RoL, you should claim.
It doesn't matter what he claims, as in my eyes, whatever he claims would be a lie.
It was rather fortunate for him that he actually said a Medic saved him last night. If he claims that he is a Veteran, than obviously one of us is lying (not like he isn't already). If I'm lying, there there will be no argument. But a Mafia Veteran? Good luck with that.
Now, he claims that a Medic saved him. No, I don't need the Medic to come fourth to prove the claim if a Medic did save him, but there are a few questions everyone might want to ask themselves first.
- RoL has not exactly shown the strongest Town-aligned play in this game, in fact, alot of his stuff falls into the grey area. The "oops, I missed my vote" move he pulled at the end raised eyebrows. Why would a Medic, among all players, would choose to protect him?
- Caller has claimed Vigilante and shot GMarshal at the start (I'm still pondering this). deconduo has also claimed Vigilante. So if what RoL says is true, there has to a third Vigilante or similar type of role out there that has Night KP. What is the likelihood of this?
- You combine the two variables up top; What is the likelihood that RoL's claim is true?
- Furthermore, do I seem to be making up all this fuss just to paint RoL red?
That's all I have to say.
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On July 01 2011 00:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
But how could I explain that? Simple, VisceraEyes is the medic, who viewed me not killing him as being protown, and thus decided to protect me for not hammering him D1. He seemed really happy and eager to prove his townieness after being spared, and this is what I could come up with, to me its the only thing that makes sense to explain me surviving.
I don't have time to respond in detail to your other post yet, but ROFL at this.
You made me laugh out loud at work, and my co-workers were looking at me funny ;/
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On July 01 2011 02:36 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 02:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 01 2011 01:58 Caller wrote:On July 01 2011 01:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Wait until this medic claims then if you truly think I am a liar caller. I think its probably VisceraEyes, which you guys obviously lend no credit to. But lets see if someone else claims to have saved me.
As I said earlier, I am purely speculating on you caller. The second hit confuses the shit out of me, and I can't explain it other then by what I wrote or another vig. If you don't believe there is a medic, then there is no problem in waiting for him to hopefully role claim, if I am lying, it won't happen.
We fundamentally disagree on your first response though. A. What are you talking about? B. I still think it was dumb and C. you are wrong. medics do not fucking claim. Are you fucking kidding? If you are gungho about getting me killed why would you dismiss evidence to the contrary? Is this a fucking joke? You are saying I am a lying mafia, I am saying I am not. and i'm saying there's no need to do so because I have already proven that you are lying and are simply trying to flush out medics so that your buddies will be able to hit them tomorrow. It's already proven that you're mafia. Anyone that doesn't follow my logic needs to get their head checked.
It was my logic!
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I was typing up a reply regarding to RoL's big post, but since he is dead, it would be pointless to argue with a dead man.
Anyways, RoL has been trying to discredit me due to the fact that I claimed, repeatedly calling it a retarded move, even though I had already explained why. Claiming blindly is never a good thing, no matter what role, but a well timed claim definitely has its merits.
If you guys reread my post, my claim was definitely not just about RoL, but the entire Mafia team. I've explained my every thought in detail, and how I came to those conclusions. If I had not claimed and just made the analysis, most likely a lot of arguing back and forth (including "those" that support RoL) would occur, resulting in unwanted chaos. RoL had tried to fight to survive, but as you can see among his arguments, holes were everywhere. My claim has the ability to seal the lynch much faster and rid of most of the useless crap. I can't lurk forever, especially when the number of players go down steadily. I saw this as a great opportunity to make a move, and I did.
RoL also says that by me claiming, it ruins the ability to analyze the lynch. That is not true. LSB and ILJ haven't responded to my post of accusing them, yet they were quick to jump on the vote train without showing much. This might not necessarily mean anything, but it is still a point of interest for people to look at.
Now I've said that unless BC is a Godfather or the sort, he is Town, based on my check and his posting behavior. BC also claims that he is a Lie Detector, and vouched for what I had claimed about my abilities are true. Now from a uninformed Townie point of view, these two claims won't mean jack unless publicly proven. That's understandable. However if one of us lies, both of us would be viewed as Mafia. That's two free kills. I doubt Mafia would be that gutsy.
If there are any roles out there, still alive, that can reveal the alignment of a dead player, I suggest them use that ability on RebirthOfLeGenD right now, or during Night if it is a Night ability. That would be the best case scenario.
Worst comes worst, if I can't prove my role besides BC words, does it really means I'm a fake? I've made all my arguments as transparent as possible. LSB, VisceraEyes, and ilovejonn are all strong Mafia candidates, do you think I would be lying just to further paint these people red?
Next Night, even if I don't die, I expect to be role-blocked. Although the thought that no one has come forward claiming they have been blocked is making me skeptical whether this role exists in the game or not. Even if they do block me, they can't do it on consecutive Nights. Regardless, if I die, I expect the Town to be looking at LSB and VisceraEyes, especially LSB, he would be my next lynch candidate. If Medics decides to keep me going, I'll obviously try to provide the Town with whatever information I can get my hands on.
Best case scenario: RoL's alignment is revealed and Town rolls from there.
That's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. If any of my arguments look slightly scummy in any way or form, point it out and question me. I'll answer them.
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On July 01 2011 04:22 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 04:13 Fishball wrote:
I was typing up a reply regarding to RoL's big post, but since he is dead, it would be pointless to argue with a dead man.
Anyways, RoL has been trying to discredit me due to the fact that I claimed, repeatedly calling it a retarded move, even though I had already explained why. Claiming blindly is never a good thing, no matter what role, but a well timed claim definitely has its merits.
If you guys reread my post, my claim was definitely not just about RoL, but the entire Mafia team. I've explained my every thought in detail, and how I came to those conclusions. If I had not claimed and just made the analysis, most likely a lot of arguing back and forth (including "those" that support RoL) would occur, resulting in unwanted chaos. RoL had tried to fight to survive, but as you can see among his arguments, holes were everywhere. My claim has the ability to seal the lynch much faster and rid of most of the useless crap. I can't lurk forever, especially when the number of players go down steadily. I saw this as a great opportunity to make a move, and I did.
RoL also says that by me claiming, it ruins the ability to analyze the lynch. That is not true. LSB and ILJ haven't responded to my post of accusing them, yet they were quick to jump on the vote train without showing much. This might not necessarily mean anything, but it is still a point of interest for people to look at.
Now I've said that unless BC is a Godfather or the sort, he is Town, based on my check and his posting behavior. BC also claims that he is a Lie Detector, and vouched for what I had claimed about my abilities are true. Now from a uninformed Townie point of view, these two claims won't mean jack unless publicly proven. That's understandable. However if one of us lies, both of us would be viewed as Mafia. That's two free kills. I doubt Mafia would be that gutsy.
If there are any roles out there, still alive, that can reveal the alignment of a dead player, I suggest them use that ability on RebirthOfLeGenD right now, or during Night if it is a Night ability. That would be the best case scenario.
Worst comes worst, if I can't prove my role besides BC words, does it really means I'm a fake? I've made all my arguments as transparent as possible. LSB, VisceraEyes, and ilovejonn are all strong Mafia candidates, do you think I would be lying just to further paint these people red?
Next Night, even if I don't die, I expect to be role-blocked. Although the thought that no one has come forward claiming they have been blocked is making me skeptical whether this role exists in the game or not. Even if they do block me, they can't do it on consecutive Nights. Regardless, if I die, I expect the Town to be looking at LSB and VisceraEyes, especially LSB, he would be my next lynch candidate. If Medics decides to keep me going, I'll obviously try to provide the Town with whatever information I can get my hands on.
Best case scenario: RoL's alignment is revealed and Town rolls from there.
That's pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. If any of my arguments look slightly scummy in any way or form, point it out and question me. I'll answer them.
the timing of this post that completely ignore my remarks yet seem to acknowledge BC's for some reason is another thing. Clearly, Fishball was anticipating for BC to make this post before I jumped in. Now, how would he know BC would make that post? I know. Do you?
I was typing that post when you guys were arguing. I didn't even see you turn around starting accusing BC, and now me. Timing of the post? What post?
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Just caught up the last two pages and my eyes are bleeding.
I don't know what to make of Caller. Him shooting GMarshal was a total wtf moment, but a lot of his posting made me thought he was Town, probably just a bit insane.
Now right after the lynch, he turned 180° faster than a bitch and her mood swings.
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sandroba, Palmar, Kurumi. You three are like triplets.
BC/Caller aside, none of you seems to address my posts at all. I've made my case clear, and asked if there is any slightest concern, say it. If you're avoiding to engage with me just because you think I might be trying to deceive you, that's not a very good way to play the game. That's just weak play.
So Chaoser/VisceraEyes, the candidate you guys were so close to lynch; Even though he was the main scum candidate prior to Night 1, now all of sudden he is off the chart. I'm not even going to bring up the others here. Ignoring the fact that I might be a legit Cop, you guys rather spend 2-3 lynches on me, Caller, and BC just because you guys think "there must be a Mafia among them", or "All three of them are Mafia" etc.. Do you guys honestly think this is the best way to go?
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On July 01 2011 05:40 citi.zen wrote:
/confirmed
I guess at least some will be cleared up after tonight. I need to read through this thread again, Caller's claim blew up my prior understanding of what is going on.
All the I know, is that Caller was one of the strongest supporters for having RoL lynched.
Then after RoL was lynched, and seeing BC's late post, Caller posted this:
On July 01 2011 02:56 Caller wrote:
shit
fuck guys my bad, Fishball and BC are both mafia.
I totally lied about my abilities. I have TWO shots, not one. I was waiting for somebody to bumble into the trap I had laid, but I didn't expect BC to do it.
I'm going to prove it by shooting BC tonight.
I honestly don't think Caller is Mafia, but I also don't think he would be the 3rd party as well, due to the tight setup of this game. His posts leaves me in awe.
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On July 01 2011 05:56 Palmar wrote:
Why did you claim btw Fish?
Go re-read both my posts, especially the second one.
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On July 01 2011 06:06 sandroba wrote:
I think I made it pretty clear that I think VisceraEyes is scum. It made sense that RoL was also scum since he refused to lynch VisceraEyes, thus that made you DT for real. Caller also defended VisceraEyes and was the main reason he did not get lynched day1 AND has being claiming a fuckton of roles and getting away with it. I'm actually not even bothering to respond to all his shit since 90% of it are lies. I'm 100% confident he's either SK or Scum. As for LSB I'm not sure anymore, but I felt like he was town all game. ilovejonn I have no clue to be honest.
Good, at least you realize the core logic.
Now do you think it's a good idea to line Me/BC/Caller to be lynched, then come back to deal VisceraEyes?
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On July 01 2011 05:54 Palmar wrote:
You guys have three roleclaims in between you, some of you are definitely scum, so my opinion is to hang or kill you all.
My god, what kind of logic is this. Possible? Yes. But most definitely that you want to see all of us dead? There is a reason why I considered role checking you last night.
On July 01 2011 05:54 Palmar wrote:
I consider the only goal for me at this point is to make sure town doesn't get sidetracked and keeps it's focus on killing the three of you, and correctly responds to any new claims or information that might present itself.
Quote for display. I have no further comments since you've made this statement clear and I've already said my share.
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On July 01 2011 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2011 06:30 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Viscera should be lynched tomorrow. This bullshit better clean itself up tonight. I'm getting a headache from reading this. no u
Oh hey, there you are.
Besides citi.zen who replaced Radfield. We have three people that have not posted anything regarding any of the discussions and events that happened in the past 14 hours. Two of them voted but did not say anything of value. One of them did not vote but just appeared, whom I'm quoting right now.
Patterns patterns.
Calm before the storm? Try and kill me already.
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On July 01 2011 12:11 ilovejonn wrote:
but honestly skipped a few of the last few pages because it was just Caller and Fishball shouting at each other.
You could have made a far better reason than that for "skipping the last few pages". Me and Caller shouting at each other? I would be surprised if anyone were to share your views. Caller and BC, maybe, but Caller and me? We didn't even have more than a couple posts directed at each other. Caller is just abrasive with his posts overall, and has been the majority of the game.
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