EPTIt does look like its full, but I'd gladly be a sub. I think this game would be much better learning for me than the 40man game. Much more intimate and less modkills inc?!
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
It does look like its full, but I'd gladly be a sub. I think this game would be much better learning for me than the 40man game. Much more intimate and less modkills inc?! | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:48 Xedat wrote: Omg I'm so excited for this. I read all the rules twice and just want to ask to anyone willing to answer (before the game starts) since these were not answered in the thread rules: 1) Since PMs are not allowed, how would mafia communicate with each other? 2) Once someone dies whether it be by votes or mafia hit, will their roles be revealed? Thanks and GL everyone! (I've only played SC2 Mafia before and got hooked) Naaa, just kidding, please don't try to lynch me ;-) icwuth u did thar | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 17 2011 05:51 Pyo wrote: Funny how it turned out that appruds was mafia after all. For the record I believe 2 out of the first 5 posters that pointed it out or commented actually turned out to be mafia. apruds and lalfieeesomething :D | ||
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freeloader625
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On June 17 2011 06:15 gtrsrs wrote: Hmm, a bit suspicious no? Right when the PM are getting sent out too. Scum slip? A bit of a bold accusation, I would say. However, I do have to agree, the first question does look a bit suspicious. After all, a townie would have *no* reason to ask such a question, as they can't PM anyway. | ||
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freeloader625
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freeloader625
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On June 18 2011 09:31 aprudds wrote: Notice how I didn't accuse you? Play smarter. Think about what you want to say. Don't be a kurumi and barf out your random thoughts onto the page and hope it makes sense. Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."  On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote: Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?  Wait, oh you didn't just go there!  | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 18 2011 10:16 aprudds wrote: Hey Freeloader you intend of contributing this round instead of making random comments all game long? You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear! | ||
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freeloader625
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Ok so heres my observations so far. On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote: aprudds is out for blood don't back down bro i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/ accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way Early post of game gtrsrs attacks me based on no evidence at all. In fact as apprudds pointed out, his post reeks of oxymoron, his attack is, “your post doesn’t help” when in fact his post doesn’t help either. So aggressive, but I understand why you would do this. You want me to speak up and post more. This would be a pro town play. On June 19 2011 10:07 gtrsrs wrote: okay i know i'm going to regret this if Drazerk flips scum but i think the logical thing to do for now is to remove your votes from Drazerk in my earlier post i said i was leaning to someone, and that person is Drazerk, but the point remains that Lord Vatti is suspiciously MIA. here's what potentially could happen: 1. Lord Vatti is townie without a role, saw that he didn't have a role, and afk'd out of the game. he will be modkilled. he could even be mafia but i doubt it. 2. the town votes for Drazerk on what can only be described as moderate-at-best suspicions. 2a. Drazerk flips townie. we're now down 2 townies and 0 mafia. it's as if 2 nights have passed (via 2 mafia kills) but we'll only have the info from 1 night's worth of night actions (if we even *have* any blues). 2b. Drazerk flips mafia. our hunches were correct. high five town. 2c. Drazerk flips power role. oh shit, his increased activity was because he's got a more prominent role. fuck our lives. 3. the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither. so with all that in mind, and noting that i'm NOT defending Drazerk (for he is my FoS at the moment, but it is an extremely weak FoS), i still think we should pile the votes onto Lord Vatti instead. best case scenario we kill an afk mafia. worst case scenario we lose a townie that we would have lost anyways. if we keep our votes on drazerk, the worst-case goes up to losing 2 townies. so with that in mind, i think that until Lord Vatti shows up to contribute, no matter how big of a hunch/suspicion we have of Drazerk, we should not vote him until we're all present. once Lord Vatti shows up i'm all for pressuring Drazerk, i just don't want to lose 2 townies on day 1 Then his attitude changes from attacking to “no vote” passive play right when Drazerk picks up some serious heat with 3 votes and with "better evidence" than he had to attack me. Mighty scummy. Why wouldn't you wait to see his response? This play, gtrsrs makes a bunch of posts but at the end contradicts himself without seeming like it, therefore you just made your prior posts worthless. You seemed so out for blood earlier but now you don’t want any of it once drazerk is mentioned. You don't even wait for his defense. Why not? Weren't you pushing for all townies to speak up? Contradicting plays are usually what scum do, which in last game pushed the votes out and scored town the GF with a very close vote by one. You try to justify your change to passive play, while trying to convince all townies to do the same. You claim to be not defending when actually defending and buying time. You first wanted to attack players for information, but now you try to say we should back off, cut our losses instead and be completely passive. Er what? So are you trying to get information out of players or are you trying to seem like you are trying to get information from players? Typical scum play is early on pushing hard to seem pro town and gain credit, but then later on try to convince players to instead to do the anti town play without town realizing it. In this case the the antitown play would be not voting potential scum drazerk to see his reaction and do nothing instead. He hasn't even posted anything yet! Now lets assume we all vote to lynch Drazerk. At the very least he'll start posting frantically and we all gain something. This is what you wanted right? Yet you seems so fast to defend him. If he flips green we made the wrong choice but at least we have effectively increased our chance to lynch red by having a list of potential suspects based on voting patterns and bandwagon jumpers. WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THIS LIST? Why try so hard to prevent it before it even starts? That is of course unless you already know hes red and want to stop a red lynch before it goes further. You wanted people to talk early game for “information” by pressuring and now you try to shy town away from that very same tactic of pressure and play passive. I just don't get it. Only logic left is protecting buddy scum from getting any more pressure and before he scum slips. So you want information and all for pressuring, but as long as its not on drazerk? Ok lets assume we did what you asked and everyone just voted for modkill right now. Then Day 2 comes. What have we learned? Er nothing I suppose? It's like Day 1, except we're down modkills and mafia hit. 2 modkills 1 mafia hit = 10 players remaining with 3 scum while town has learned absolutely nothing. We have no list of bandwagon jumpers. We have no Drazerk response because he didn't need to. It really would feel like Day 1 wouldn't it? That my friends is as anti-town as a play gets. Town gains nothing while losing 3 members. Conclusion: gtrsrs It's so obvious you are SCUM. You try to make fast early plays, set a solid "leading" presence, try so hard to seem pro town, get all that protown credit, pretending to make good protown plays then tell us to all be completely passive instead and hope no one notices while saving your buddy at the same time. That would be ideal for you wouldn't it? I think that you just convinced me who to vote for. Should you flip red then drazerk has a high chance of being red as well since coincidentally both your playstyles have changed and your sudden change in attitude once Drazerk was under pressure. ##Vote gtrsrs | ||
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freeloader625
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What this means is if he really is blue we would suffer a huge loss. However if he isn't blue we'll know for certain when aprudds flips green. Am I right here? Someone comment quickly! | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
##unvote gtrsrs ##vote: appruds | ||
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freeloader625
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That wasn't what I mean, like 5 posts popped up when I wrote my first one. | ||
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freeloader625
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Night 1 arrives and the only thing I see is Drazerk and gtrsrs going at it relentlessly, then agreeing on some points, then back to stabbing each other, then drazerk latches on to gtrsrs, then gtrsrs tells him to f-off… well we all see what happens. It’s really hard for me to believe that one, if not both are mafia. Day 2 arrives and omgCRAZY is hit. I was almost certain mafia would take the bait of a free medic and hit gtrsrs. I mean why not? Re-reading all the posts I’d have to agree with On June 21 2011 08:36 gtrsrs wrote: mafia is relying on me missing my saves (which i did last night) and using their roleblock and kill to try to hit the detective with either Then it does become clear to me. Gtrsrs really is medic. He was left alive so we could lynch him in Day 2. He’s probably the most obvious lynch if he failed to prove hes medic… almost too obvious. Me, treadmill, pyo and maybe even drazerk would have voted him almost guaranteeing a lynch right off the bat. + Show Spoiler + If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. There were no successful saves that night. Nobody would be notified of a save that didn't happen. Town can't confirm that gtrsrs is medic so he would be lynched. HOWEVER, Alderan got roleblocked. omgCRAZY got hit. What this means is that the mafias full intention that night was to hit or stop the DT. Think about it. omgCRAZY does have fairly low post count. Alderan as well. Either of the two are valid candidates for being DT. Mafia did not hit gtrsrs because they expected him to get lynched today. So mafia went DT hunting instead. It makes perfect sense. If we lynch gtrsrs we’d lose our medic and be playing right into the trap. I’m positive this is the case now. Please do not lynch gtrsrs! His posts actually make sense. Treadmill and pyo, at this stage you’ve already voted for gtrsrs. I urge you to look at all the posts again. With that said I’ll continue to go with my first intuition then which is drazerk. He played so scummy and tried to attach to our medic while attacking him, then attaching to him, then attacking him again, then tries to offer himself as martyr. I think this was done primarily to confuse town and to get votes on gtrsrs. I almost fell for it myself. On June 21 2011 07:00 Drazerk wrote: as far as it goes this is the priority hit list - 1.Xedat 2.Me - gtrsrs 3.Freeloader - Alderan 4.Pyo - treadmill etc Just listing them in the order of scummy activity nothing more / less Then he posts something like this. This post looks constructive but fails in the sense that WE DON’T HAVE THAT MANY LYNCHES! Even one myslynch is fatal and you still want to martyr yourself. If you were a town and we lynch you then we lose. Why would a town tell the town to lynch a town when we have no lynches left? A martyr town lynch would simply mean we lose. We have so little room for error. Posts like these and your random flurry of attacks/agreements and martyr attitude has me convinced what I thought in day 1 that you drazerk are still scum. | ||
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freeloader625
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freeloader625
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On June 23 2011 09:16 Pyo wrote: All town has to do to stay in the game is to successfully hit a mafia next lynch (and I guess I can't quit). it is 5:3 right now. Assuming mafia successfully kills someone tonight, it will be 4:3. This means that as long as we are able to successfully lynch mafia each night, we can still win. And if we manage to hit the roleblocker (assuming they have one), then town is actually at an advantage. GIven that the only other person who voted gtrsrs flipped vanilla townie, I'm going to assume that there at least isn't another medic to counter claim. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't mafia given that he was going to get lynched so a 50/50 shot at claiming a non-existent role was better than the certainty of getting lynched. And given his personality, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually a vanilla townie that claimed medic anyway. However, at this point I'm going to place my wager on gtrsrs having told the truth. And since it isn't very likely that he gets lynched tomorrow, he'll probably end up dying tonight. If he was lying, then well, gg - you've fooled enough of the town that you're victory was well won. Now, I'm going to assume that gtrsrs was telling the truth, so I'm going to go out on a limb here sort of force the mafia's hand. I am the town Detective. Night 1, I checked freeloader and he turned green. In retrospect, I should have checked gtrsrs, but I thought he'd be dead by now for sure. gtrsrs, I really hope you're the medic and actually care about winning. This isn't going to work if I'm wrong on either count. I'm glad I cleared as green, I don't get it. The game made sense before this, well kinda. Why would DT claim at night with rb in play? You are either asking to die or get blocked and with only one lynch to go that is a poor play. Why would DT check me of all people instead of much more obvious and important target:gtrsrs? The lynch was heavily in favor of gtrsrs and an hour before he gets lynched he claims blue. Claiming blue literally saved his ass. The reasons to check him is plentiful... 1) ...to see if hes really town aligned, because if he is hes probably... 2) ...telling the truth. Which means... 3) ...town setup is confirmed 100% without doubts. Else it would mean... 4) ...gtrsrs is scum as I originally expected. Instead you check me because I had a very valid argument against a potential (and still maybe) scum? So now I'm thinking... either you played a DT very very very poorly or you're lying or gtrsrs is lying or you're both lying???? This doesn't make any sense. | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
On June 23 2011 20:22 Drazerk wrote: Wait Pyo is claiming blue? Ok im confused? - Why do this at night Mafia will either kill him or force a lynch on us Or he is mafia and will use it to get a lynch on a town Im very confident there is no role blocker in this game No I was thinking along these lines because of such unexpected plays. With no counter claims either they're all telling the truth simultaneously, some of them are lying or all of them are lying. They could be collaborating and perhaps missed the fact that a DT would not claim at night, perhaps out of excitement near this games end leads to a slip that could turn this game around. My new list is as follows 1. Pyo 2. Gtrsrs 3. Alderan 4. Drazerk 1. Claiming blue at Night, virtually eliminating all our chances to win the game. Refusing to check gtrsrs when it would be most beneficial to. Checking me instead. Very anti-town. 2. Day 1 anti-town plays. Gtrsrs if Pyo really is blue then maybe you're not. But then gain you both could very well be telling the truth. 3. Roleblock if rb does not exist. If it does then you're all very possibly telling the truth. If not then TWO of you MUST be lying. 4. Latching on our medic claim, then attacking him, then hugging him, then attacking him. Generally confusing and contradicting posts. | ||
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freeloader625
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On June 24 2011 02:40 gtrsrs wrote: indeed, i think Pyo is lying his claim timing makes 0 sense. this means that alderan is lying too. i swear on my mother's eternal soul that i am the medic though. that puts drazerk as our third mafia. did pyo just pull and Idra and give away a won game for mafia? What is your list in its entirety again? | ||
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freeloader625
United States180 Posts
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freeloader625
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On June 24 2011 08:25 Alderan wrote: Its laughable...... Phenomenal play by mafia, for what its worth, I was RB'd again, but it doesn't matter, this is surely my death sentence and mafia will have won the game. There are 2 scenarios to how this happened. Pyo thought he was saving the game by false claiming DT, but it was way to obvious, mafia picked up on it and risked getting DT checked to have a sure fire scape goat, in me. They only need one vote, so even if a DT claimed now to save me it would cause so much uncertainty that it would almost certainly result in one of us casting a misslynch vote and the scum winning. The other scenario is Pyo is scum, fake claimed, and then immediately took back his fake claim after the night. Again the key here is to force uncertainty. He knew that this would place me on the chopping blocks. But why would a mafia who is so far ahead risk it? Well because they were afraid of their fearless leader Drazerk getting lynched, which, would DEFINITELY had happened had Pyo's claim and a repeated RB on me not taken place. It's town 101 to never lie, so it is either a HORRIBLE play by pyo, or great play by mafia, but either we lose. If there is a real DT, they need to claim or Drazerk and supersoft will win the game tonight. And think this really did it for me. Alderan went out of his way to distance, "fearless leader Drazerk" in his final post has me convinced you are scum. What really intrigues me is how you managed to stay out of being lynched for so long when you're obviously scum The cases have been made, the evidence has been presented, your distracting/confusing actions/posts were there.. yet it seemed we lynched everyone but the obvious. I have nothing more to say. ##vote: Drazerk | ||
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freeloader625
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freeloader625
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http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/wKEPXeNmMtpy I give Pyo Town MVP by far. He made a play when town needed one desperately and came very close to catching us. I was scared what you might say. I guess my own arrogance and insolence led to Alderans death. I kept telling them what to do, what to say, how to act and he didn't want to put up with it. I don't blame him. I needed time to think of a way out of the mess. The original plan was for me to claim DT Day 3 because I had the most credibility at that point. The entire game I was setting up my DT claim, by hinting players roles subtly in my posts. Game would have been over but Pyo claimed and then slips started happening. At that point it was too late for me to claim DT. Gtrsrs was good as well, except he was far too emotion so I kept him alive for a few turns to do my bidding >:D Treadmill had potential this game, but was following the wrong leads most of it until it was too late. I was able to use this to my advantage. My mafia partners were great, pulling through when they had to. The rest of the players either died too early or lurked too much for me to comment. | ||
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