Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IV

On June 18 2011 04:19 gtrsrs wrote:
d'aww i wish we could start now
you know one thing i never understand? how exactly do games get started? like where does the first FoS come from? i know last game it was because freeloader asked a rookie question and some mafia hopped on it. but other games i feel like there's nothing to go on. i'm hosting a full-role game on another forum right now and there are like 4 posts per day between 20 players because everyone just tries to win at night and no one wants to talk in order to not get suspicions on them. it's super frustrating to watch because it's boring as hell but i kinda see where they're coming from.

anyways
MAYBE I SHOULD SAY SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS TO GET US STARTED

On June 18 2011 06:54 gtrsrs wrote:


oh herp. you're right i didn't even consider that. yes it does make it seem less likely

on the other hand the mafia won't know the set-up either. with the 2 goons and 1 hooker they could think that there are power roles so it's a mindfuck to them too. i guess it matters less to them since they want all of us dead regardless if we bleed blue or green but yeah

anyways
we should keep the set-up possibilities fresh every couple of pages and update it or eliminate possibilities after every kill.

also it should go without saying but
if we have one, the medic should never claim unless he is going to be lynched or unless one of his confirmed saves is going to be lynched. he doesn't have to lay low (see GGQ's post at the end of mafia XL about how a blue should play) because he doesn't WANT to look like a medic, but he shouldn't broadcast his role unless it the town is lynching his clear. maybe the medic can claim in a LYLO situation but i'm hesitant to say the medic SHOULD claim in LYLO because the mafia will likely claim medic as well. play it by ear

On June 18 2011 08:43 Drazerk wrote:


Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.

Working out the Game type helps blues but not the town while reds already have a 50/50 guess on the type and if they work out there is for example a medic in play they know the game type and can use it against us.

but I agree in that we should stop this discussion and get onto analysing people

On June 18 2011 09:28 Drazerk wrote:


Can I pull a Freeloader here and Chalk it up to being a idiot / Inexperienced?

and statement two was more the fact of it may not help towns initially but helps Detectives be a bit more open without claiming knowing they have a medic as back up ( depending on set up ofc ) helping town later in the game.

On June 18 2011 10:05 freeloader625 wrote:


Oh damn son he just called you a, "kurumi."



Wait, oh you didn't just go there!

On June 18 2011 10:35 freeloader625 wrote:


You sound angry. Was it because you failed to lynch me last game? :D

Seriously though, I'll contribute more this game. Pinky swear!

On June 18 2011 11:48 gtrsrs wrote:
aprudds is out for blood
don't back down bro

i'm gonna go ahead and piggyback off that
freeloader you got your free pass last game you freeloader. you know well enough by now that posts like this \/


accomplish nothing. so instead of posting this, why don't you make an analysis or contribute in some way

the town votes for Lord Vatti. since he was queued up to be modkilled, we lose nothing, and get a free night of investigations, potential saves, both, or neither.

Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.

Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.

On June 19 2011 11:44 gtrsrs wrote:
guys you need to look at this from a numbers standpoint
how fair would this game be if, when we lynched a townie, mafia got 2 kills? that would suck right?

well numerically, mislynching today would be the same. let's say Drazerk flips town. now mafia gets "2 kills" in Lord Vatti and someone else. at least Drazerk has the POTENTIAL to contribute at this point. LV's contributions are absolutely nothing.

i'm glad you brought up the vigilante point aprudds. don't we know too well that just because a vigilante CAN kill someone at night, doesn't mean he SHOULD? likewise, now that lynching is our only KP, just because we CAN lynch someone doesn't mean we HAVE to, especially with a modkill on the block.

and i know i look so scummy for this but i'm gonna stick with my guns here and ask you to vote for Lord Vatti til he shows up to give some input. this might just be the epicmafia vet in me speaking. but when we have someone who is actively lurking, we vote for them. most of the time once the votes pile up, they show up in the discussion. but if not, vote-kicking them is the best way to progress the game, as they would have "vegged out" and died anyways. as soon as LV shows up i'm happy to throw my vote on drazerk. but for the time being, i have *minimal* suspicion of drazerk. i'd rather make a harmless vote than vote for someone based on minimal suspicions. of course as soon as LV shows up, the *minimal* suspicion will be my greatest suspicion so i'll change then. but please don't let mafia jump up to a 3 kill advantage this early

On June 19 2011 12:49 gtrsrs wrote:
i will tunnel with balls of steel once i actually have something to go on Q_Q
for now i am just afraid of starting the game down 3 townies instead of 2

On June 19 2011 13:10 Treadmill wrote:
hrrm... I'd actually agree with gtrsrs' argument for once (somewhat). If we don't have a half-decent case against somebody by tomorrow I think that It WOULD be better to just lynch L.V. rather than do a semi-random lynch.

However
a. there's still time for LV to pop up and NOT get modkilled
b. there's still time for a semi-decent case against someone to be established.

I'm still leaving my vote on Drazerk until he posts something with substance (or a better case arrives).

On June 19 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:

As opposed to your path which is "its day one and there's obviously enough evidence for me to be 100% certain xyz is scum"? Waiting to see what people say when they post more is prudent. And if they don't post anything then that tells us something too. Also, your case against Alderan? Shitty.

On June 19 2011 14:01 Treadmill wrote:
Your logic is kinda crappy, Pyo. You're assuming that if we have, say, 3 suspects, that one (and exactly one) must be red. Which is obviously not the case. Also, don't metagame too much, its entirely possible that aprudds got mafia twice in a row.

@aprudds: sorry, I don't mean to be passive. Partly I'm just a little uncertain considering how absolutely wrong I was about everything last game. I actually agree with you that we should lynch whomever seems most suspicious, not go after L.V. for being inactive. But I think we have around 12 hours for people to post and possibly slip up. No, people won't shout "I am mafia" but they may contradict themselves or make spurious arguments.

Keep in mind guys we're less than 24 hours in, I mean, I just woke up. Just like last game (I think almost all of us were in), a list of people who are posting very generic fluff and not helping the town is much more helpful than an inactive list.

Hoping Vatti comes and provides something useful.


##Vote: Lord Vatti

Until I see a case against someone else it's the only logical place for a vote.

On June 20 2011 00:21 supersoft wrote:


haha, now I am back, so you may put your vote back on me if you wish.

I don't know what to say about gtrsrs... I agree with him, that we shouldn't randomlynch on day1 in general... mhh difficult situation. If we had a DT for sure, I'd also say, we better lynch a lurker/afkler... But since we cannot be sure about that...
From another point of view: If he was mafia, he shouldn't be interested in lynching a person that's afk. Best case for them is, if we lynch one of us who is contributing. So I think this position of him to lynch someone who probably gets modkilled doesn't convince me.
A more valid point is his passiveness...

How much time is left until nighttime?

On June 20 2011 00:35 supersoft wrote:
wait a second, I have to make some notes.
pretty funny how strong your behavior changed from the last game when you were mafia :D
Is this a mindgame or are you really townie this time?

On June 20 2011 02:37 gtrsrs wrote:
noob exhibition number 1:


take a look at this crock of shit. how come no one has called him out on this?
hey last game i was actually getting my dick sucked by a fortune-telling gypsy, that's how i knew iGrok was mafia. and now that i've typed it it's true, no one can question me on it!

no, freeloader, you hadn't written up any big posts last game. you're a bad player piggybacking off good players. put down the keyboard son, we don't want to read your essay full of non-logic.



actually no you *don't* understand. i wasn't even attacking you here. in fact, my little grain of sand, i was pushing aprudds to not be so wishywashy. look at page 7 of this topic. aprudds pressures Drazerk and then IMMEDIATELY says "oh ho ho no no i'm not suspicious of you!" a couple posts later he jumps on freeloader's nuts then IMMEDIATELY says "nah brah i ain't mad lololol"

DEFINITION of wishy-washy. my post was intended to get him to keep his pressure on. he claimed he'd attack anyone for anything to prevent a boring game? okay then don't back down (ironic in the end that it'd be me he keeps railing on :facepalm: )




i'm going to assume you're in second grade and they haven't taught you subtraction yet. let me set this up in a way that's easy to understand
we have TWELVE (12) players this game. the 1 holds the ten's place, it doesn't mean 1 + 2. 10 + 2 = 12. when we subtract 1 from 12, we get 11. when we subtract 2 from 12 we get 10. when we subtract 3 from twelve we get 9.
now, think back to the winning conditions of this game for mafia. when we lose enough townies, so that our town population equals that of mafia, we LOSE THE GAME. SO WHY THE FUCK WOULD WE WANT TO HASTE OURSELVES TO THAT POINT? you're claiming i'm mafia because i want to no-kill? YOU ARE RETARDED. MAFIA WANTS PEOPLE DEAD. if i was mafia i would explain why so-and-so are scum so we could lynch them with little-to-no-info. at the point i voted for lord vatti, we had NOTHING to go on. NOTHING.

take a look again at what we gain by RANDOM lynching on day 1 with a modkill on the block.
1) we lose a townie in Lord Vatti (12 - 1 = 11)
2) from a townie standpoint, assuming that you wouldn't vote for yourself, and you're not voting for Lord Vatti, you have a 3/10 or 30% chance to kill mafia on day 1. 30% chance to... what exactly? we don't reduce their KP by killing them. if there even IS a roleblocker we've only a 33% chance (10% overall) to hit him. so 10% to give our hypothetical blues a free reign? now look at the MUCH higher probability of lynching a townie. 70 FUCKING PERCENT OF GIVING THE MAFIA A FREE KILL. do numbers even REGISTER in your head? are you willing to lynch on a 30% guess?? on day 1 with our votes spread out the mafia *will not bus*. they can dilute the votes enough to keep their scumbuddy from dying. we will not get that lucky on day 1 unless we have a really solid case, which we didn't. ON TOP OF THAT, WE ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF RANDOM LYNCHING A BLUE.





no, didn't defend him. claimed he was my FoS. i also said that as soon as Lord Vatti showed up and contributed, i would be happy to give my reasons to lynch Drazerk. if we're all present, and minimal suspicion is all we have to go on, i'm happy to go on that. but when we have a free mafia kill lined up, i'm not going to risk 70% chance of hitting a townie on a fucking HUNCH.



i will make my case against Drazerk next if necessary but for now you WILL take your votes off me. scum is already bandwagoning onto me and losing me this early will be a dire mistake. in fact i will go so far as to say town will not win if i get lynched day 1. you are game-throwing if you vote for me.

it's like you people have already forgotten that we had FORTY (40, four times ten, the four holds the ten's place) players last game. we could afford random lynches and shitty bandwagons in the beginning. we have TWELVE people this game. a lynch is worth FOUR LYNCHES from last game. would you have randomly lynched four days in a row last game if four townies got modkilled on day 1? i sure as shit hope not.

i'm not being more passive this game i'm being more conservative. there's a difference. we gain nothing by random lynching today. take your heads out of your asses and this fucking "wasted" lynch mindset. just use your imagination and pretend we had a huge case against Lord Vatti instead. pretend he's posted a lot and we're 100% convinced he's scum. now vote for him. now it's not a "wasted" lynch it's just a mislynch. is that better?

On June 20 2011 03:26 supersoft wrote:
this shit is getting out of control. I recommend to lynch Treadmill. this guy is completely useless + he proposed a really, really bad plan that included roleclaiming.

gtrsrs is innocent. Unbelievable. I reread the whole thread, and he's the only one that isn't suspicious to me.

I really don't trust aprudds. He is only agressively trying to be the townleader and control the action. But he doesn't lead us anywhere. He just jumps from target to target and accuses everyone, who posts something in here. Moreover is this guy smart enough to change his behavior without a reason - he doesn't need a new role for that.

On June 20 2011 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
okay it's getting to be crunch time

i really hate to compromise my logic in order to save myself but it's imperative that i do so.

Alderan, aprudds since i know you've both been active recently, please change your votes to Drazerk. i'm decently sure that Drazerk, Xedat, and CjrNinja are our mafia, jumping on freeloader's bandwagon to take the pressure off Drazerk.

I will change my vote to Drazerk as well, which will put him in the lead. I'd much rather vote Lord Vatti but if it's me or Drazerk it's gotta be big D.

##vote: Drazerk

On June 20 2011 03:47 gtrsrs wrote:
just like iGrok last game, as soon as i tell you that you're doing something scummy, you change it so as to not look so scummy

interesting

On June 20 2011 03:55 gtrsrs wrote:
okay well 6 votes on me is enough.
i was going to wait til an hour before voting ended to do this but with lord vatti gone i will definitely lose this lynch if i don't act now

i am the town's medic. hopefully this should give you insight as to why i wanted to no-lynch today. i was hoping we'd have some outstanding townies show up that would make easy marks for the mafia, and i'd be able to protect one of them. it's kind of pathetic that you guys are forcing me to claim on day 1, your witch hunts are illogical and your inability to listen to reason is sad. in fact, for the sake of my blood pressure i'm glad i'll be dying tonight.

on the plus side, i think freeloader's bandwagon was enough to point out the likely mafia.

between these 4, i'm 100% sure that three are mafia:
Drazerk
Xedat
Cjrninja
aprudds

again i want to point out that i am claiming medic. i won't get a chance to use my powers since i will be dying tonight. but it is *imperative* that you lynch drazerk or xedat today instead of me. letting me die will put you at 9 townies tomorrow which is a HUGE set-back.

On June 20 2011 03:57 gtrsrs wrote:


sorry, 6* townies, 3 mafia. 9 villagers total.

also since some of you will be skeptical of my claim: last game i was willing to die to get iGrok lynched. this game my play has changed (you have incorrectly labelled it as "passive" when really it's just more "conservative") but what's key to note is that i am NOT going to martyr myself to get Drazerk lynched. if you lynch me today you are gamethrowing, i'm NOT a vanilla townie whose life is expendable to get the GF lynched. you MUST lynch mafia today

On June 20 2011 04:03 gtrsrs wrote:
if there are no counterclaims to medic and you vote me, you are gamethrowing, plain and simple.

On June 20 2011 04:21 gtrsrs wrote:
aprudds, the word YOU'RE looking for is "you're"
"your" is indicative of possession

"Case 1: Your Town" indicates that i own the town, which clearly isn't true

please try re-writing that in english

no. that's not how this game works. you don't lynch contributing players. you lynch lurkers. aprudds and Drazerk have spammed up the thread to bury my defenses of myself. they are taking over the game and not letting town think for themselves. i feel sorry for you guys if there's no detective.

On June 20 2011 04:30 omgCRAZY wrote:
Pyo I see that you voted gtrsrs for his behaviour. Is there any other reasons? Just wondering because aprudds behaviour is the same or worse to me and I believe gtrsrs HAS given good defense littered in with the garbage.

Can we get a vote count!
I will be voting to save gtrsrs today as I think he is town(or medic as he claims) and aprudds is just being ridiculous in his attempts to keep pressure on him.

I think the case on Drazerk is not amazing but better than gtrsrs'. In an ideal situation I would like to vote for a lynch on aprudds. If enough people support this please vote for him.


##Vote: aprudds

Note: If enough people do not vote for apprudds before the deadline I will be switching my vote to Drazerk.

On June 20 2011 04:37 omgCRAZY wrote:
We still have 1 hour and 25 minutes. I urge people to vote for aprudds. I believe he is scum and if not, at the very least take the time to look back at gtrsrs' defense. It is solid, and he DOES backup his arguments with solid reasoning. There is no reason to lynch him today.

Vote aprudds or Drazerk.

On June 20 2011 04:40 gtrsrs wrote:


i don't really get what you're trying to accomplish here
if you ARE a townie, spamming 1 liners and accusing someone claiming medic is not going to help you win. in fact, as i've said before, if you're a townie and voting for me you are intentionally losing, you are gamethrowing. i know there is decent suspicion of me at this point, and you want to keep the pressure up, but the fact that you won't even look at this from the point of view that i COULD be medic just shows that you don't care about winning.

if you are MAFIA, then your accusations are only drawing attention to yourself. when i flip medic you're going to look really stupid and you will be a prime lynch/DT candidate. you played much more conservatively last game, so either you're a bored townie trying to be the hero, or you rolled mafia twice and you figured you better change your playstyle to "look" differently.

either way you're drawing so much attention onto yourself that i can't help but think either you're a much worse player than we thought you were from your stellar performance last game, or you're gamethrowing. that's literally all i can think of

EBWODP: aprudds subsequent posts change the pressure wholly onto gtrsrs while changing his vote from Drazerk for more poor reasons. (Doesn't want to actually lynch his buddy)

On June 20 2011 05:12 omgCRAZY wrote:
LOL Drazerk is so confusing. I think he may be town. Which convinces me more that aprudds is scum.

On June 20 2011 05:16 gtrsrs wrote:
aprudds i URGE you to change your vote off me. if i'm the medic the mafia will kill me tonight anyways. if they don't, i have a chance to save someone. i'm quite convinced you're town now based on drazerk's voteswing and i think you can redeem yourself, please take your votes off me.

On June 20 2011 05:26 gtrsrs wrote:


YOU FUCKING SCHOLAR, YOU FUCKING GENTLEMAN, I HAVE EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES THAT I CLAIMED BECAUSE THERE WERE 6 OUT OF 11 VOTES ON ME; EVEN AFTER I TRIED TO PULL VOTES OFF MYSELF WITHOUT CLAIMING, I ONLY NETTED 2 MORE VOTES ON MYSELF. STOP SPAMMING AND TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF ME

On June 20 2011 05:31 gtrsrs wrote:
we should put our votes onto drazerk. an unexplained voteswitch with the tag "i'll explain <after the lynch has occured> is unacceptable" especially from someone who has been fingered as likely mafia. we should all switch our votes to him. unfortunately, people are voting for YOU aprudds, which i think is wrong. i don't think you're mafia, i just think you're the worst town player i've ever seen. i am CLEARLY town. take your vote off me, put it anywhere else, not on yourself

On June 20 2011 10:46 Drazerk wrote:


Sorry bud my mistake on changing my vote

On June 24 2011 17:35 Xedat wrote:


As a little advice, mafia should starting cursing now.