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Gogogo start! (but keep doing that MSL stuff because it's awesome). | ||
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This mason thing is really interesting. I'm really curious as to how this game will play out. | ||
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I've got a friend who might be interested in joining, and he'd benefit from having somebody to guide him/converse with him. Trouble is, he doesn't use TL, so PMs wouldn't be a very effective form of communications. | ||
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On June 12 2011 21:19 Mataza wrote: How do you suppose he will play in this game without visiting TL, when the game is on TL after all? The friend in question is Lazorbear (that guy above with 1 post). I know him IRL, and chatting outside of TL would be much easier because we already talk practically every night. ofc he'll visit TL for the game, but he's not a regular user, so I was inquiring about alternate forms of communication. | ||
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On June 13 2011 18:16 hiro protagonist wrote: Yep, you will be Mod killed for not voting. No, you most likely wont be Mod killed for for voting the wrong way, as someone will most likely point out to you that you voted wrong. If you vote wrong it messes up the tally and we get situations like the missed vote in Mafia XL... Yeah, that was actually my bad, not because of bad vote formatting. Format it correctly, though, because it's a lot easier to read through and tally up 5 instances of ##vote: Varpulis than it is to read and tally I would like to vote for Varpulis Varpulis gets my vote I want to lynch Varpulis It'd be even worse if you were unvoting. at the same time. | ||
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That's all that I can think of atm. If you agree, disagree, or would like to add suggestions, do so. Let's get this discussion started. | ||
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@zodiac lists: cool. | ||
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On June 14 2011 13:58 Pondo wrote: The way I understand it; Its suppose to protect the vet townies on the list because if the mafia lynch one then it draws more attention to the remaining people on the list (some of which may be mafia). I really don't think that its worth it though. Wrong. It's meant to force veteran players to prove that they're pro-town by exposing them to extra scrutiny, and protect the vets because mafia on the list will be under even more scrutiny if one of them gets night killed. It's a great idea, just something to keep in the back of your mind while playing. | ||
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On June 14 2011 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I propose a representative newbie be placed on the list and nominate myself or Mataza or both. why? | ||
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In XXX, mafia did not play the way mafia needs to play in a PM game, and let the town collect into an unstoppable force of confirmed roles. Sandroba's plan can go wrong if
There are probably more scenarios that fuck up the plan, can't think of them right now. Same for RoL's mass mason request. I urge people to stop masoning him at least until the night is over. To those who already have: Don't take what he says as gospel. Right now it's better to be patient. I agree with BC, small cells will work better than all encompassing circles, because they're less likely to collapse and just cause confusion and mistrust. | ||
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As for his defense, It's not compelling. I'm going to keep an eye out for his posting today, but I'm not convinced enough to put down a vote. Moving on, FudgeMunkey needs to post better. He's got a relatively high post count, but hasn't said much of anything. Most of his posts follow the following format: ask a basic question or agree with somebody state the obvious [elispes] make a conclusion based off of obvious statement.[possibly more elipses] Please try to add more content to your posts. I'm liking the considerably less spammy environment. | ||
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I'd pay close attention to him too. | ||
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After declining to post N0 (not inherently scummy, though i disagree with the reasoning) Sinani begins posting on the topic of ilovejonn, as brought up by Youngminii. he is referring to youngminii's analysis here On June 15 2011 15:09 sinani206 wrote: youngminii: Stop metagaming. Or at least if you have to, don't use it as your only argument. I can see why would be useful in some situations, but with a N0 start, playstyles will be drastically different. It's a good start for early pressure, but don't make it your only argument against anyone. ilovejonn: youngminii is the only one accusing you... Why are you responding with such a long argument? You should ignore accusations like that and just look for more scum. The fact that you are even responding at all is kind of scummy. Just ignore pressure accusations like that and scumhunt. No need for this defense. He criticizes the accusation and the defender, not really taking a stance. In the bolded sentences, he defends ilovejonn by stating that meta is not valid because of the night 0 start, but then calls ilovejonn scummy for defending himself. On June 15 2011 15:27 sinani206 wrote: Playstyles will be different. The fact that you have a chance of dying without knowing how much you have to defend yourself will change your playstyle, and affect it through the game. I know that discussion is necessary, but I still feel that time and brainpower are better spent scumhunting than defending yourself. Look for people that were scummy during the night time and pressure them. The pressure on ilovejonn is based on metagame and that is pretty much worthless with the PMs and N0 start. This game is different and you have to be able to accept that. You can't use metagaming as an easy way out to actually analysing players. Repeats what he said before, does the same thing, saying that the analysis is bad while saying that ilovejonn defending himself is not good play. The bolded phrase especially bothers me. Why would you say that? This makes me suspicious that he's trying to reassure us that he's town and knows how to play. Once youngminii calls him out for disregarding part of his analysis and telling people just to scumhunt instead of defend themselves, he gets defensive and apologetic. On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote: youngminii, I acknowledged that you were scumhunting and that ilovejonn wasn't. Those were the two bases for my previous posts. I was simply urging you to go beyond metagaming, which you have done, and for ilovejonn to start actually scumhunting, since he seems to have enough time to defend himself. You have done what I urged you to do and that is good. ilovejonn, however, has not. He is, even after my posts, defending himself more and more and this is scummy behavior. I apologize, youngminii, for not explaining myself clearly. You are doing fine. It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game. This post is basically just sucking up to Youngminii. By agreeing with a vocal pro town player, he's attempting to make himself seem more pro town himself. Also, he's defending his actions when nobody is accusing him. Sinani is falsely contributing, attempting to blend in, and playing too safe. On June 15 2011 16:13 sinani206 wrote: It is ilovejonn who needs to up his game. On June 16 2011 03:41 sinani206 wrote: Step up your game. no u | ||
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To the lurkers: Please post. Who do you think is scum? What do you think is a good course of action for the day? Give me a reason not to lynch you. The more townies lurk, the easier it is for lurking scum to hide. You're doing us a disservice by not posting. @Mataza wtf is Hypocop? | ||
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God, is that a terrible strategy though. Playing into the scumteam's hands much? RoL, you promised activity and contributions in 9 hours: On June 15 2011 22:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will be a sober, conscious, contributing member of XLII society in roughly 9 hours. ...13 hours ago. Explain. | ||
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On the subject of the current suspects: I think that ilovejonn is town, not sure about aidnai, and sinani is either scum or just playing very poorly, waiting to see his defense/actual contributions. I'm not confident at all that any of them is scum. If I had to pick one to lynch, it'd definitely be sinani. | ||
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He hasn't defended himself or started scumhunting, despite posting in the thread, even when prodded. It's time to turn up the heat. I personally think that ilovejonn is town, and aidnai is in the clear in my book too, for now. That leaves sinani. Oh, and to the dudes voting without posting: Major FoS. Seriously, why? Don't just vote to avoid the modkill, play the game, for christ's sake. grassgiraffe, could you tell us what you think of the game so far? Your only post has been the worst bandwagon I've ever seen. Node is still unaccounted for, right? | ||
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The pressure was good, but this bandwagon is bad. Kenpachi, why is BC the godfather? | ||
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On June 17 2011 05:47 syllogism wrote: Lazorbear hasn't voted and made his only post on n0, so unless a miracle occurs he is getting mod killed anyway. He is a friend of varpulis and it sounded like he was going to mason him. Any insights you would like to share about him Varpulis? He's a bored townie, from what he's been saying to me. He's not spending any time on the thread, i'm not sure he's even caught up. Count him useless, waste of a lynch though, if he even remembers to vote. Not sure why he joined the game, tbh. Reading through hiro protagonist's posts now, verdict in a sec. | ||
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On June 14 2011 13:10 hiro protagonist wrote: EBWOP: I know its night time, and thats when we talk about blue roles, but lets not focus all of our energy into "what should blues do, and mansion me plz!!!" come day, lets focus on getting to know one another. "No discussion guys, because discussion is bad." Pursuing scum objective by quelling discussion. On June 16 2011 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote: @OpZ: I agree that some of those players look scummy. I am curtain that Mafia has all ready posted in fact. but after going though the thread, I dont see that many scum tells. There is just not enough for me to go on right now. Lets keep up the pressure on those three. FoS on Sandroba: Maybe I am reading this wrong, but Sandroba is know for Sticking his neck out with plans like the one he said. He is also really good at wiggling out of suspicion. It would make sense for scum to bate out talk on night one that would give them info on players, so they can better aim there hits. His plan did just that. So Sandroba, may I ask why you would say this on night zero? Would it not be better to wait till day 1 to bring this up? are you still interested in applying you plan? depending on his answers, I might vote for Sandroba. Otherwise, I think lynching one of the lurkers might be a good idea. @Paragraph 1: "There are scum, but I don't know who they are." Blanket statement, filler. @Paragraph 2: "Sandroba got people talking, so he's scummy. Also, i'll bring up that bad plan again for good measure." Derailment, poor FoS on an easy target. Also, he declines to actually take a stance on the current suspects. On June 17 2011 06:28 hiro protagonist wrote: As for the lynch targets, sinani, and ILJ still look suspicious to me. ILJ more so, because his slip into lurker mode. I want to see him scum hunt, cus right now the only contribution I see from him is defending himself. However, I wont vote for him because he is under the gun, We have ample opportunity to see if he slips up, or scum tells. One person that is really flying under the radar is Impervious. So far all his post have had little substance, and smell sightly of scum. As for the lurkers, One stands out and thats grassgiraffe. The others have yet to post much but grass last post SCREAMS out "I made my vote, and I'm out". I know, because that sounds exactly like some of the lurkers in SNMMII. They would simply come in once or twice during the day and say,"yep, I agree with so and so, vote: name here". I am 90% sure he is town, and 100% sure we dont need him. come prove me wrong grass. ##Vote: grassgiraffe "ilovejonn and sinani are suspicious. So is Impervious. I'm voting grassgiraffe, who I'm 90% sure is town." Contradictory statement, big scumslip. I'm currently of the opinion that both grassgiraffe and ilovejonn are town, and that lynching them would be a mistake. ##vote hiro protagonist | ||
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On June 17 2011 09:42 flamewheel wrote: The lynch result may be slightly delayed... I have to attend to something. ... | ||
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I feel for ya, ilj. | ||
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Why did you vote for sinani without posting in the thread? Why was your only comment about the lynch targets just agreeing with Youngminii about ilovejonn being scummy? I'd like an explanation, because right now scum bells are ringing in my head. ROL, what the hell are you doing? Holding the town hostage by promising to post more if somebody vigi's Kenpachi? | ||
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I'm looking through Mig's posts now. | ||
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Most likely he got a green result from a check on a townie though. Anybody like to claim shooting impervious? By extension, if you got hit, claim it. | ||
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Explain yourself. | ||
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Yay for pressure working. I expect the same level of effort and explanation of your actions for the rest of the game, or we'll have a problem again. It worries me greatly that ROL is silent in PMs. Practically the only thing going for him in my book was the possibility that he was full of activity in PM land. ROL, step it up, big time. ##vote RebirthOfLeGenD | ||
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ROL, I'd like to see the reasons for that town read on Hiro, because my vote would go to him if it wasn't on you. | ||
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I've got a bit of a null read on syllogism at the moment, will take a closer look at his posting tomorrow, because I'm not quite thinking straight at the moment. Town needs to be more active. Hopefully the thread will pick up when somebody other than RebirthOfLeGenD is leading the lynch. | ||
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I've got a bit of a null read on syllogism at the moment, will take a closer look at his posting tomorrow, because I'm not quite thinking straight at the moment. Oh god, I really do need sleep. Repeating the same phrase twice in the same sentence... | ||
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define lurking in a quiet thread. It's not like killing the people with the least posts is going to get everybody posting like crazy. We make far better use of our time and lynch if we lynch to kill scum, not eliminate lurkers. I don't buy the "he's town because his defense seems so genuine" argument. Words are words, anybody can say them. If mafia wants to look sincere, it's not that hard. Hiro, I suggest that you bring another lynch target to the table, instead of wasting your time defending yourself. | ||
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I suggest that we consolidate our votes to three possible lynches, to avoid letting scum hide behind outlier votes.
Is that list OK with people? Everybody should pick one, and vote for them, providing reasons as to why they are picking that person over the other two. Protest voting a lurker or somebody in no danger of being lynched is not going to accomplish anything. | ||
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On June 20 2011 04:38 youngminii wrote: There's no need to explicitly state "these 3 people", it'll become a battle between them anyway. I know I posted a bunch of stuff on RoL but I never actually voted for him because it was just pressure, which seems to have made its point ^^ I'm voting for Hiro because, what can I say, he just seems really scummy to me. He's been accused by two people with separate analyses (which have made perfect sense by the way, I don't know why I didn't pay more attention to them earlier) and lol at his responses He just keeps going around being scum. I COULD give examples, but aidnai and sinani already have. My mind is undecided about Syllogism by the way. The list is mostly a response to day 1's lynch. Let's take a look at the final tally, shall we? On June 17 2011 12:16 flamewheel wrote: Day 1 Vote Tally Votes for ilovejonn (7): Mataza, syllogism, Shraft, DeMorcerf, aidnai, youngminii, hiro protagonist, Votes for sinani206 (3): Mig, FudgeMunkey, grassgiraffe Votes for Kenpachi (2): RebirthOfLeGenD, sinani206 Votes for Impervious (1): GGQ Votes for grassgiraffe (5): BloodyC0bbler, LandenC, Jacinto, Node, Mr. Wiggles Votes for hiro protagonist (6): sandroba, Varpulis, VisceraEyes, Kenpachi, ilovejonn, ~OpZ~, Votes for syllogism (1): Scamp Votes for Mr. Wiggles (1): Impervious ilovejonn is to be lynched. Lazorbear is to be modkilled. 8 votes that not only do nothing, but also allow scum to hide. I'd rather everybody voted for one of the leading lynches, so that we know where everybody stands. I'd even consider removing ROL from that list. He was only there because he has a bunch of votes, but the general consensus is that he's town. | ||
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On June 20 2011 04:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Seriously, why am I even on this list? On June 20 2011 04:52 Varpulis wrote: I'd even consider removing ROL from that list. He was only there because he has a bunch of votes, but the general consensus is that he's town. | ||
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On June 20 2011 05:35 LandenC wrote: ##Vote syllogism stealth vote. Care to explain? | ||
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On June 20 2011 08:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##unvote ##Vote syllogism Yo ~OpZ~, what up with the stealth vote? | ||
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On June 20 2011 13:01 sandroba wrote: RoL, why are you asking for DT checks on people on hiro's lynch while asking for a vig shot on hiro? That's like you are already assuming he will flip green. What the hell is your logic here? ...when did he ask for that? What am I missing in PM land? | ||
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On June 20 2011 18:59 Mataza wrote: By extension, @Varpulis, why did you find FudgeMonkey worth your vote but did not push for him at all? Looking through his posts, it´s evident he is a worthy candidate for lynch for active lurking and only contributing when he´s personally asked to, yet you didn´t follow through? This really worries me. Pressure, d00d. He came through with a response, so I moved on to more pressure on RoL to actually start playing, then voted for who i had the strongest read on, Hiro. It's no use trying to lynch every person that you find scummy on the spot. I left him for another day. Is there a problem? | ||
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FudgeMunkey has been actively lurking all game. He posts nothing of content, but instantly responded to the light pressure that I applied day 2, before going back to lurking. He voted sinani day 1 and ROL day 2. He has yet to weigh in on any of the major lynches, or provide much of an opinion on anything. I'll have a more detailed analysis when I'm less tired, too lazy to go through his posts now. | ||
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FudgeMunkey Since the beginning of day 2, I've had my eye on FudgeMunkey. He's been providing the bare minimum of content, avoiding doing anything he could be held accountable for, and lurking actively. 1. Content In the early game (N0) he was relatively active. Unfortunately, he was doing nothing but stating the obvious a lot. Some examples of his fluff posting are: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2011 16:00 FudgeMunkey wrote: Why are people masoning so quickly? I thought your supposed to make sure that the person you mason is actually trustworthy rather than just mason who ever has the most posts or the biggest... I mean who knows? You may be masoning Mafia straight away which is kinda a waste because they may not talk back to you... -_- On June 14 2011 17:06 FudgeMunkey wrote: + Show Spoiler + because I can analyze and rape everyone in this game via PM. Now do it or you are all mafia. In conclusion RoL hopes he can 'rape' everyone via Pms... + Show Spoiler + Wow, this started quicker than I expected. That's fine with me though Just to catch up with everything, Sandroba's plan has already been sufficiently debunked. If RoL is actually masoning with tons of people... good for him I guess? but as was pointed out with sandroba's plan, if RoL dies, all those people lose their mason connection, so... yeah, regardless, I'm not masoning with anyone AT LEAST until day, and even then, I'll probably save one of them for a few days when I have better reads on everyone. I'm really relieved to have a PM game again, haven't been too many recently. and yes if RoL dies you will lose your mason connection if you have chosen him so I advise that you wait at least another day or two before you mason anyone else... Stating obvious facts, and giving basic advice to appear helpful. Moving on to day 1, his activity goes away. He has a grand total of 1 post in day 1: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'... It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid... They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue. fluff. Day 2, he posts some content (once) that is very safe and noncommittal, while night 2 he goes right back to fluff: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 16:47 FudgeMunkey wrote: WOW! Three Townie dead... These two really shouldn't of been mod killed... Aidnai and Grassgiraffe although Grassgiraffe did a whole lot of nothing... So... guys what now? Even after being warned to step up his posting (my clause for removing my vote day 2) He's done absolutely nothing to improve. This leads me to believe that there's a deliberate reason for his lurking, and that reason paints him scum Oh, and did I mention that he has yet to post an opinion on anybody who has been or could have been lynched? Because he hasn't. 2. Not doing anything that he could be held accountable for FudgeMunkey has been playing it very safe this game. Every time he agrees with somebody it's a popular opinion, and his votes never end up on anybody who ends up being a lynch target, freeing him from responsibility or suspicion for bandwagoning a townie. agreeing with popular opinions + Show Spoiler + Day 1 On June 15 2011 15:59 FudgeMunkey wrote: Yes, I agree with 'youngminii'... It seems as if the 'scum' never seem to support a strategy and instead find ways to make it look like its incorrect/false or just plain stupid... They hope to make it look like the person there arguing with is obviously Scum rather than townie or Blue. Though it's tough to determine exactly what he's commenting on because his statement is so vague, I'm guessing that he's agreeing that sinani is suspicious for criticizing youngminii's analysis. Day 2 On June 18 2011 16:38 FudgeMunkey wrote: To DeMorcef I understand your anger with me for not reading through the whole thread before posting, I have been busy with School work and so forth and I didn't want to get mod killed. I have read through the pages I have missed out on and I am pritty sure I'm up to date with the rest of you. On another note, I agree with Youngminii and VisceraEyes, RoL hasn't been putting the most useful information into this thread and the posts he ends up posting end up with him taunting the town as Youngminii stated. + Show Spoiler + I had a much busier day then I thought, and I ended up going to a party 2.5 hours away last night on an hours notice. But tomorrow I will try to be much more active until I head back into new jersey for a couple of days. Just some FYI, every day when I wake up and F5 this thread I am given a choice. I can A. Do some analysis and make sure you guys don't fuck up too bad, or B. Watch a marathon of 24. So far 24 has won the last 2 days. Maybe, just maybe if a vigi shoots Kenpachi tonight, 24 will lose the mental coin toss tomorrow. Just some advice. Obviously he'd rather do something else than be in this game and he is a Waste of Space... He is obviously taunting the town to see how long he will last and so far it seems to be working, NO ONE IS VOTING FOR HIM. Before I cast my vote into his/her basket I shall read more of the thread to make my decision final (just to make sure DeMorcef will be happy!) Very cautiously agrees with the suspicion against ROL Votes + Show Spoiler + On June 16 2011 18:43 FudgeMunkey wrote: ##Vote sinani206 this was a stealth vote later on in the day, too. On June 19 2011 09:30 FudgeMunkey wrote: ##vote RebirthOfLeGenD bandwagoning Neither of those people have been actual possible lynches at the end of the day 3. Active lurking Despite not posting often or at all for long stretches, FudgeMunkey responds quickly to criticisms and accusations. On June 18 2011 13:03 FudgeMunkey wrote: To Varpulis Well I shall answer your questions. 1. I felt it was necessary to explain the mechanics of KP, because Kenpachi asked wether KP mean't KenPachi or KillPower. Yes you are right now one asked anyone to explain the mechanics of KP, but i thought it would be nice to get it out of the way for anyone who didn't quite know what it meant. 2/3. To be completely honest I voted for Sinani because I hadn't had time to read all the posts, so yes i was 'stealth voting'. I was however going to change my vote to Grassgiraffe because he has not contributed to the town at all. I agreed with Youngminii about voting for Sinani becuase he proved a point, Also i never actually voted for Ilovejohn... I took my vote off with the clause that he should put as much effOrt into explaining his thoughts and actions in the future. Also, "I was going to change to grassgiraffe" is weak. It's playing extra-safe by saying that he would have wanted to lynch the guy that almost got lynched, but didn't. On June 21 2011 14:51 FudgeMunkey wrote: To Varpulis I may be have been lurking for most of the game, but at least I'm reading through most the posts and at least half contributing! Unlike other lurkers who just watch, post something so they don't get mod killed and then go back into lurking mode... and this defense is even weaker. "sure, I've been lurking, but he's been lurking too, so it's ok." His quick defenses and returns to lurker mode make me conclude that FudgeMunkey is scum. | ||
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mafia has been bluesniping really well this game, and taking care of blues as soon as they found them (example: chaos13) I find it hard to believe that both a blue and his mason were hit last night. Theory: ROL heard about Mataza being blue from sandroba, and decided to off both of them so that there'd be nobody to connect him to the hits. It would have worked if Mataza wasn't vet. In my mind, the theory fits. No shit ROL is going to say it's stupid though. | ||
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I'm switching my vote. Voting for anybody but RoL would be a mistake right now, but we still need to discuss other possible scum and future lynches. What does everybody think of FudgeMunkey, ~OpZ~, and LadenC? I feel confident that at least one of them is mafia. | ||
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FudgeMunkey half responded to my analysis, ignored RoL's, and continues to lurk and sheep. ##unvote ##vote Youngminii If he flips green I want to see RoL dead by the morning, k? | ||
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On June 23 2011 00:57 youngminii wrote: you know why scum claim vig don't you because scum can hit people herp derp If scum want to kill themselves, i'm cool with that. If FudgeMunkey isn't scum i'll be quite surprised. | ||
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On June 23 2011 01:20 youngminii wrote: you have to learn to differentiate townies that just get bored of the game and scum who are barely hanging on by a thread Oh, and don't you dare try to discredit my argument because I'm less experienced than you. | ||
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He bussed FudgeMunkey, kill him too. BC might be a nice person to kill as well. Sorry Youngminii. | ||
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this is disturbing, to say the least. | ||
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This will be interesting to watch. | ||
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On June 26 2011 12:09 FudgeMunkey wrote: HA HA HA!!! Varpulis and all you cows!!! Im not mafia! I told u!!! Oh and yeah... GG mafia! Well, if you had actually done anything other than defend yourself whenever I called you out I might have stopped calling you mafia. When you're being called scum for not contributing, the right response is to contribute, not say "look, those other guys are even less active. GG mafia, I played terribly, but inactives really killed us. | ||
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I'm just waiting for the sweet day when I get vigilante. Hell, I'd murder the lurkers as the serial killer, just for the satisfaction. I could claim vig when I eventually hit mafia and get instant mega town cred... Seriously though, lurkers have lost almost half the games I've played in for town, either directly or indirectly. They do us a disservice if they're town. If you're going to post once per day and make a vote, you're not actually playing, and you'd get the same experience from letting somebody else play in your spot and just watching. If you find that you can't manage to be active and contribute, get yourself replaced so that when lylo comes it won't be one active player getting run around in circles by the entire scumteam. | ||
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On July 08 2011 05:27 Bill Murray wrote: lawn gnomes lolwut? | ||
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