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hopefully this will be my first game x.x | ||
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I'm going to be at a math competition for Friday + Saturday (I get back at like 11 PM EST) so I won't be able to post very much then, but after that definitely >_<. I hope that's okay~ | ||
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I agree with the guy above, most first day posts might seem to look like fluff posts simply because there isn't that much to talk about  | ||
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Palmar seems kind of weird - he starts out by asking for a veteran claim, which doesn't seem like such a good idea to me. (reasons for this have been posted previously) Also, Mataza posts something to refute him right after that and Palmar is immediately like LYNCH HIM and is all over him, which seems funny to me. Mataza doesn't seem too scummy to me from his posts so far, Palmar is a better bet in this situation IMO | ||
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##vote Palmar Back up your mataza attacks or back off | ||
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youngminii - Basically your post had no real content. You reaffirm your belief that lynching inactives is stupid, yet you never disagreed with anyone about it earlier. There are plenty of people other than sinani advocating the inactive lynch, including myself, yet you don't even consider this in your crusade against sinani. Then you go on and post a bunch of bullshit for the sake of content. No, you are definitely the scummiest in this town. His posts weren't bullshit, they were him reacting to people questioning his claims, and pressure put on due to votes. Why are you still ripping on him, even though he wasn't going after you? Trying to keep this bandwagon alive? sinani206 - All this guy has been posting are statistics, seems like he wants to look useful to get people off his back while not actually being helpful at all. On June 05 2011 21:03 dementrio wrote: unichan - in my first and only werewolf game i was randed wolf and I acted like he is doing now, hiding behind inexperience and expressing timid remarks about how something can be vaguely towny or scummy in dire fear of doing a wrong step. However i don't know how a newbie town would act and in my first game everyone actually thought my attitude was very villagery and I won by being the last wolf standing :\ I think we need to see what he has to say when he gains confidence. I'm a shy poster generally, not just here - this is my first game and I really haven't found my comfort zone yet, as usual I'm scared of saying something retarded and people jumping on me  Anyways, Palmar has proven himself to me enough, for the time being my suspicions have shifted to youngminii and sinani. My stance on lurkers/unhelpful posters atm is neutral, there's still enough time left in the day for them to come forward with something useful. ##unvote Palmar | ||
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##Vote sinani206 Also that should be only one count for youngminii, right? | ||
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On June 05 2011 15:32 unichan wrote: Back up your mataza attacks or back off Is that looking for a reaction enough? I wanted him to post something fruitful instead of his one line mataza attacks | ||
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On June 06 2011 09:25 sinani206 wrote: It doesn't matter who I vote for because I'm going to die. Whatever. GG. I was Veteran. Sounds like a last ditch effort to save himself | ||
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For cop checks I'd say - Palmar: Still can't get his first day bs out of my head. Youngminii: The other guy who I had suspicions of. | ||
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On June 07 2011 08:35 stefftastiq wrote: @youngminii while reading back I also see that you removed Varpulis name from the list - not suspicious of him either? Varpulis + youngmini + unichan got a little thing going on ? I don't see what I have to do with this, youngminii is on my suspicions list. ATM I'm reading town as: JeeJee His posts have been generally helpful and safe. He's done a couple of mentor type posts which is more of a town-friendly thing to do rather than a scum thing to do. Scum's first instinct wouldn't be to help others out. dementrio Hesmyrr's posts read town to me and dementrio has continued this trend. Palmar He redeemed himself after a bout of shitty posting. Kavdragon I'm leaning town with him now since he raised a good point about OriginalName Scum: OriginalName For obvious reasons, Kavdragon made some good points. Also his earlier posts What kind of a bullshit response is that? He's been acting more and more scummy as his posts have went on. Prphlz It looks like he was the first one to jump on sinani for posting useless fluff, and started the whole bandwagon. ???: Varpulis changed his vote many times yesterday without explanation. Jumped from lurker to lurker, and finally settled on sinani, not sure what this means. youngminii I don't know what to think of this guy anymore. He had a couple of contradictions in his earlier posts which raised my suspicions but in the end he defended sinani. This could all be a guise though. mataza + stefftastiq I don't know anymore tbh | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 03:22 OriginalName wrote: I think I can answer this instead of Palmer. 1. We get none, we have a free target for scum to avoid ASSUMING WE HAVE A VET. 2. Said "confirmed" townie could be scum trying to control us and avoid his lynch. We also could have no vet making counterclaiming irrelevant furthering his position. 3. It creates more Wifom (see 2) 4. Claiming in a closed setup unless about to be lynched is a pointless undertaking. We have no way of confirmed outside of death and a sane DT who could also be fakeclaiming. which looked scummy to me, but I didn't actually start posting content and understanding why a vet claim would be stupid until later, and I didn't catch this until today when I was rereading the thread. To be honest I didn't understand the case against ON at all, the one vs sinani was 10x more clearcut (fluffy posts derp derp easy lynch), and made more sense to me at the time. So yes, it was bandwagoning, but that was because I didn't see any compelling reason to vote for anyone else. | ||
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On June 09 2011 07:41 OriginalName wrote: I'm willing however to move over to Unichan however in this case its mostly just to save my own hide. Okay I'm #1 new bandwagon now since you failed to start your own by attacking a player with weak evidence Because not posting is #1 scum behavior? lol I wasn't posting because I was terrified of getting lynched, I was posting timidly because I was new, had already missed half of day 1, and was afraid of posting something retarded. Obviously I did end up posting something retarded, by way of misinterpreting someone's post. This was when I was trying to get more involved because people were pressuring me too, and then I fucked up and I felt like an idiot, which is why I didn't want to make any more long posts, because I don't want to get laughed at again. I guess in my first game I should be more bold and try to learn better, but that didn't really work out for me. Staying shy and timid doesn't seem to work either. Saying things with phrases like "seems like" or "is kind of" is something I've always done - I get my papers back from my English teacher telling me to use stronger verbs, nothing new here. Even now I don't want to make a longer post with analysis and quotes - I've tried to start a couple earlier but I always deleted it before posting, which is why I haven't really been posting anything at all. | ||
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On June 09 2011 09:18 stefftastiq wrote: @unichan Who do you think are the most scummy player(s) - and why? and scum are really the only ones who should worry about what to post - townies doesnt have to lie. Right now? OriginalName didn't react very well to his pressure. He went for a bandwagon attempt on Palmar that seemed weird and out of place, with weak reasoning (as I said before, he is trying to go for the same reason that got sinani lynched, that he is just posting a bunch of "filler" posts). As soon as he saw that bandwagon failed he panicked + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2011 15:40 OriginalName wrote: My Defense: Id like to first of all point out some similarities between today and yesterday: -This bandwagon is being formed rediculously easily. -Most people are sheeping of the reasons of one person. -They will if I go through both be silly mislynches. Im going to focus on the first point mainly. In this case the most coherently explained and analysed non-sheeping opinion is from Kavdragon. He took what he thought to be scum and organised and presented it. He honestly succeded in scaring the metaphorical crap out of me. I dont deal with pressure well and came up with a shoddy defense. Therefore I after I basically had the majority of town gunning for me I panicked but Ive come to realize that theres no reason it should have happenes that fast. Sure JeeJee tryed to defend me but lets face the fact that it justs looks like a scumbuddy trying to save me. However if I were scum why put that risk to try to save me? Im have the most heat on me atm if it were me Would have kept my trap shut and bussed. I then chose to throw another lynch candidate out there. I chose to do this to try to give another option to us but I did not explain that at all as you can clearly see. So now I really have no idea what to do, I'm having a hard enough time articulating what im trying to say at the moment, as such if there is anything specific youd like addressed please ask. I have absolutely nothing to hide from town. and when he saw me as the next potential bandwagon he immediately jumped on it. + Show Spoiler + On June 09 2011 07:41 OriginalName wrote: ... how does that REMOTELY make sense. If I was getting bussed chances are nothing would have been said and I would not have even remotely tried. I would have died and given NO INFORMATION. The number rule of scum play IS TO NOT GIVE INFORMATION. Seriously dude stop tunneling me. I'm willing however to move over to Unichan however in this case its mostly just to save my own hide. ##Unvote Palmer [b]##Vote Unichan No reasoning, just saying that he wants to save himself. I don't really get what he's saying about giving no information. If there's a lynch attempt for you, and you're not trying to defend yourself, then obviously you're going to end up getting lynched. What information have you given anyways? All you've done in response to this pressure is make that useless case for Palmar ._. And I still have to worry about what to post though, so people don't point out my idiotic mistakes and make me feel derpy =( I'll read back through the thread again and look for more scum targets, but my posts always take a hell of a long time to assemble so I hope it's in time for people to read it before the 10 pm deadline. I tried to take notes in google docs before but I ended up misreading them so I gave up on that idea, lol. [b]##Vote OriginalName | ||
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Here's his first vote + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 01:26 Varpulis wrote: yet your example made no sense whatsoever, and is almost entirely WifoM. That's not how scumhunting works. What hesmyrr is doing is how scumhunting works. Analyzing posting and content, not blindly looking at who died and who was talking about them. That can lead you to scum, but does not help identify them. The argument "he died so she is suspicious" is terrible. ##vote mataza step it up. ^ Mataza wasn't lurking, this was after a bout of activity where he disagreed with wanting to lynch a day1 lurker in his first post.. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 05:27 Varpulis wrote: Guys, my vote on mataza is pressure. His posting seemed a little off, and I wanted to see how he reacted to the votes. His reaction so far has been alright, though "go ahead an lynch me" isn't a good attitude. He still needs to step up his posting, but i don't have a read on him yet. Back to the lurkers! This is stefftasiq's only post this game. He was sleeping when the day post came, I get that, but he hasn't posted again since. He says that mataza playing differently is "interesting" and that sinani's "have not posted" list (which he was on) could be a way to divert attention from sinani. It's a bad post with very little content. ##unvote mataza ##vote stefftastiq ^ Here he moves onto a lurker + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 11:13 Varpulis wrote: Not damning evidence by any means. At least he's sharing his opinion and his reasons why. Does seem a bit sheepy though. Not sure how you came to the conclusion "this is scum" with that analysis. Frankly, there's not enough information on the table to properly identify scum, i think. You could say that half the players in this game are trying to be active without content. It seems to me that you really wanted to find somebody scummy, so you picked a person and figured out how is posts could be interpreted as scummy. Lynching an inactive is good and all, but it's better to lynch the one in that group that's the least active, rather than one that's just posting fluff. We can leave them for later. ^ Oh look lol and who did he end up voting for in the end + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2011 14:36 Varpulis wrote: alright, stefftastiq's at least making an effort now. I'd be interested to see his posts when he's not drunk and tired. Get some rest steff! If you don't contribute tomorrow this vote's right back on you. It seems that we're out of lurkers. Everybody has at least posted something. Once more time passes we'll see who isn't super active, but for now it's back to pressuring. ##unvote stefftastiq ##vote Palmar step it up, Palmar. ^ Has moved off of the lurker who is no longer lurking onto Palmar (I have no problems with this, just pointing out yet another vote change) + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 00:14 Varpulis wrote: Palmar's back and posting well. good. Most of his points make sense to me. Sinani needs to step it up as well. He has 13 posts since the game began, and only 1 with real content, and that was joining the bandwagon on stefftastiq and parroting what the rest of us gave as reasons. My vote ends up on him at the end of today if he doesn't start posting better. Meanwhile, i found another lurker. Kavdragon has yet to post his opinion about anybody. He advocates lynching lurkers to the extent that we should "focus on lurkers" today instead of pressure and discuss. The only thing going for him is that he shot down the discussion starter vet claim plan. He said that he won't be lurking, I'd like him to prove it. ##unvote Palmar ##vote Kavdragon ^ Lurker crusade + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2011 06:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, my vote on OriginalName is accomplishing nothing at this point. He needs to step up his posting or I'll be gunning for him later. [red]sinani206[/red My previous analysis of Sinani can be found here Since then, he posted In this post, he pretends that he doesn't know what he was expected to post. I call bullshit. He's avoiding posting an opinion and hiding behind his lurker vote. At this point, he's playing to a scum objective, by lurking actively and not giving us quality posts to analyze. ##unvote OriginalName ##vote sinani206 As an aside, i've got a major noobtown read on stefftastiq atm. And here is where he finally goes on sinani despite what he said before (about not lynching someone just posting fluff) and claims that he didn't switch his vote because he got back late even though he tried to switch the bandwagon to ON at the last minute which wasn't going to work because it was too last minute. It looks like he's trying to throw his vote around without actually doing anything, which looks very scummy. Sorry there's one liner stuff under all the quotes I want to get this posted ASAP | ||
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On June 09 2011 10:04 prplhz wrote: Alright. ##Unvote OriginalName Not really OriginalName's list that convinced me otherwise, I think that was a bit of a townie demoralized accepting response 'cause some other dude changes his vote RIGHT after mine to make the OriginalName lynch almost unavoidable. More it was Kavdragon insuring me that he does not have a scum read on OriginalName anymore and I very much think that Kavdragon has been only townie so far and I kinda trust his judgement of all of this 'cause I haven't been able to follow the game too closely for the last couple of days. Kavdragon's original reason for changing votes also applies a lot more now I think. Also about the bandwagon analysis, it is total shit. First day I voted for sinani206 before anybody else and I stayed on him because he was acting scummy as hell. Today I had a perfectly safe vote on Varpulis but I chose to change my vote to pressure you. And about me claiming to be away until after the lynch, then my pressure would really not make sense. You pressure to see how people react so you can counter-react. ##Vote unichan The guy is a better lynch for today. I know there are enough townies out there please realize that Kavdragon is maybe the most pro-town player we have and I can personally only strongly take up to consideration whatever he says (even though I still think you removed pressure from OriginalName prematurely). And I take full responsibility for this vote too, I'm not brushing anything off onto Kavdragon. Okay I'm not going to deny that my analysis was shit because some of it was stuff I was making up to try harder. I wanted to make an opinion about everyone and that was my opinion about you at the time. So you're switching your vote to me just because the seemingly most pro-town player says that ON doesn't looks like scum to him anymore, looks like you're just sheeping your future mayor lol Anyways the one thing that my veteran player pal told me was that last minute bandwagon OP (as right now it looks like I'm going to get lynched since a couple of you have switched over already), there's not much I can do except these desperate posts like sinani was doing before he got lynched. Once I turn up green you'll realize that I am just a bad inexperienced player who should have joined a noob game first (like mafia XL or the last mini one) instead of coming to this one and not knowing what the hell to do =.= | ||
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I'm playing the noob card only because it's the real response I have to "why did you say something retarded and obviously wrong". I mean I don't have any other reason for saying something stupid, so it's hard to explain it any other way. I guess we all learn more the more we play then, and this is my first game, and I don't think it's anybody else here's first game | ||
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On June 09 2011 10:43 prplhz wrote: @unichan A more correct response could be "I didn't say something stupid, why the hell are you saying that what I said was stupid when it isn't? Are you derailing or do you just have a different look on everything that I do because you are of a different alignment?" or maybe "Yea you're right on that dude I just forgot to consider this and that in my analysis, but with you additions I think we have a strong case on this or that dude" .. There are many pro-town constructive ways you can handle criticism instead of saying "Yea I suck". But yea everybody has a first game and I sure as hell messed up my first game. Did just about every mistake anybody can imagine and then I also did those in the next game I played. I just think that both you and everybody else would be better off if you didn't play the noob card all the time. Unless you are scum as I suspect, in which case you can just die. Btw, I'm gonna count those god damn votes right now. GMarshal did it for you Okay I'll explain why I put you on my scum list earlier - my first instinct was that scum would try to start a bandwagon on a townie because they want to get them killed. I didn't think of the fact that this would raise suspicion on them since they wouldn't start a bandwagon on someone flipping red - a townie I guess would be the one most likely to start the bandwagon because they would want to help the town, and the scum would jump on it later. If the person to be lynched was fellow scum they would jump on it last minute since their fellow scum is going to die anyways but they don't want to be accused of holding out on fellow scum vote. If the person to be lynched was not fellow scum they would jump on it early for security. At least that's how I see it now, please correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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I'm suspicious of everyone now except JeeJee and dementrio. Everything JeeJee's done up til now has been helpful and pro-town, has never given me scum vibes dementrio has been posting less than me (LOL), but he's never given me scum vibes either | ||
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JeeJee is town, and so is steff. | ||
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##Vote Kavdragon | ||
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dementrio #1 formatting lol | ||
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