EPTYou seriously need to man the fuck up. This bandwagoner attitude is not helping anybody and you can't keep trying to be a noob forever. You vote for somebody because you think that they are scummy, you can't just brush it off on somebody else with your "oh but those guys did it!". This is seriously terrible townie behavior and if I hadn't seen your play in SNMMII and known that you bandwagon to the very last, I'd seriously have some questions about your fears of committing and taking responsibility of your actions.
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You seriously need to man the fuck up. This bandwagoner attitude is not helping anybody and you can't keep trying to be a noob forever. You vote for somebody because you think that they are scummy, you can't just brush it off on somebody else with your "oh but those guys did it!". This is seriously terrible townie behavior and if I hadn't seen your play in SNMMII and known that you bandwagon to the very last, I'd seriously have some questions about your fears of committing and taking responsibility of your actions. | ||
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OriginalName has been playing weirdly but unless Kavdragon is scum, they have just thrown him under the bus. Scum don't do that, thus he is not scum. unichan is a much better lynch for today. | ||
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I think you're doing pretty well, it's like 5-6 votes to 3 on you or something like that, don't hold me up on that. Also stop playing the noob card, you're no more noob than anybody else here, you're just playing the noob card a lot more. Look at who I got lynched on day1, my only vote for a scum ever was a lucky shot on day1 in my first game, and I didn't even think the guy was a scum. | ||
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And how the hell do you know that Kavdragon is not playing you into some mafia scum plan again? You seriously need to get an opinion of your own and not just try to adopt the opinion of the guy who, in other people's opinion, is townie. This "I don't care who gets lynched" is not playing to win, and it pretty much says in the OP "Play to win.". So play to win, instead of playing not to lose. | ||
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A more correct response could be "I didn't say something stupid, why the hell are you saying that what I said was stupid when it isn't? Are you derailing or do you just have a different look on everything that I do because you are of a different alignment?" or maybe "Yea you're right on that dude I just forgot to consider this and that in my analysis, but with you additions I think we have a strong case on this or that dude" .. There are many pro-town constructive ways you can handle criticism instead of saying "Yea I suck". But yea everybody has a first game and I sure as hell messed up my first game. Did just about every mistake anybody can imagine and then I also did those in the next game I played. I just think that both you and everybody else would be better off if you didn't play the noob card all the time. Unless you are scum as I suspect, in which case you can just die. Btw, I'm gonna count those god damn votes right now. | ||
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Okay I'll chill ... No need to get all upset or anything. And yea it's a bit sad that there are more europeans around at these hours than americans. I just don't buy that, but it's impossible to know which americans are around when nobody is posting ... And they're certainly not all scum. | ||
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Thanks for the baller nightpost though. And please, don't you people give up like in SNMMII. We have to find a scum next time but we can do it. | ||
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If there is a vigilante he should seriously consider shooting somebody, a hit will be awesome and a miss will not be too terrible. If there is a cop he should also strongly consider claiming, depending on what information he's got so far. Also, were noone roleblocked on day1? In SNMMII no roleblocker meant only one blue role for town. I seriously doubt that there is a vig or a cop (and almost certain that we don't have both). So do not rely on them people, we may just have to do the scumhunting ourselves. I may be away for the first part of day1 but I'm almost certainly here for a good part of the rest of it. | ||
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First, stefftastiq's claim is without doubt true. He is a vigilante and he is therefore town. Second, even though we're at lylo, we have more information to base our lynch on than ever before and we should be able to find some candidates for lynching. Also all townies need to be very assertive, we may have to use pressure to gain information, but we can't use half assed pressure or anything like that we need to make it clear that we're gonna lynch some bastard and then we need to change our votes if he's not scum anyway. 'cause we can't just make information lynches at this point. Third, @Palmar I haven't contributed anything to this game? Well who has, really, we never caught a scum. On day1 I was the first to make a push for the sinani206 lynch and even though you wrote a bigger post some time after, it was essentially my post with the reasons more cleanly cut out and backed by quotes. On day2 I tried early on to provide an alternative for the OriginalName lynch so we would not just form a bandwagon, then I tried to put more pressure on OriginalName and his scum buddies by changing my vote but in the end I followed my intuition and Kavdragon's analysis to switch my vote to unichan. What have you done except fooling around in the beginning? Your accusations also seems like you're accusing, voting, and then you say that you might come up with some reasons for this vote at some point. I think it is good to go for your hunches but you really need to sit down and build a case instead of saying "he is guilty", 'cause everybody here did something you could consider scummy and if you judge them in advance you're just gonna blow up those things out of proportions and it will be a waste of your time. I think we're on the right track with the unichan accusations but I'm gonna go through the game later tonight and see what I can find. | ||
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Anyway, what the hell? Two votes for me already without any arguments at all? And a vote for Kavdragon where the main argument is a funny picture? People need to post some content right now. This is our best chance at hitting a scum since we're at 4v3, we have 60% chance to hit scum (since none of us can vote for ourselves, and stefftastiq is obviously town). Kavdragon First, what the hell Kavdragon. I think that in the beginning you played very well and townie like, good arguments no hesitation no fluff or spam, but since neither sinani206 nor OriginalName, who were up for lynch on day1, were scum a scum was free to play as townie like as he could. Then you tried to get unichan lynched on day2 but more on that later. What you have been doing since night2 though has been quite bad. First you insist on vigi shooting that night or else we would not survive. Even after both stefftastiq, me and youngminii point out that vigi can shoot later, you insist that he has to shoot that night. In the end vigi shot night2 and that was extremely good for scum. If vigi had waited until night3 it would be 4v3, which would give him 50% chance to shoot a scum, instead of 57% chance .. it is pure math. But this was a freebie for a scum since it is pure math and your defense can easily be math-noob or WIFOM. And why do I think that your defense might be WIFOM? Because you have used WIFOM extensively for your defense so far. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2011 04:48 Kavdragon wrote: Ah crap. Sorry, forgot to preview. If you will recall, the first day was a "sinani vs ON" lynch. If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? Day two was not a "last minute vote switch" at all, and I explained my reasoning several times since then. I wanted to see how the town reacted to OriginalName being lynched. I tried to move the vote off of him late in the day, but it was obvious that he was town at that point. I suggested a one person medic plan because I was almost certain that there was no medic (which is looking pretty much confirmed), and it was the best thing I could do to save someone who I was sure was town. (It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town). Yeah, and the guy who was shot night 1? He was gunning for Youngminii heavily up to the end. Confirmed townie doesn't mean that they are right. You should know better than that. Um, I'm getting coaching from people, so yes, I will talk it over with them. And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum. The strength of these arguments are uncharacteristically weak. I may have been wrong about some of my reads, but I've played for the town all game. Are you wearing rose colored glasses? If I were scum, why would I draw necessary attention to myself with a last minute vote switch? It makes no sense for scum to take that risk, and at the very least, it generates wifom for them, which helps the town And no, I don't think Ace could have played as good a game as i would have so far, were i scum. So palpable that you even feel the need to point it out yourself. WIFOM is no way to defend yourself, just explain your actions and get on with it. Only way anybody would have to resort to WIFOM is if they do not have any reasons for their actions (noob defense), or if they don't want to disclose their actions (scum motives). JeeJee's original accusations were "gimmicky" and, as you point out yourself, actually weak. Then why do you use up all the time you have to defend yourself against terrible accusations instead quickly explaining your actions and getting to scumhunting? Are you more occupied with surviving that with nailing scum, even at lylo? This brings me to my next point; your vote against me. Even though you have cooked up great analysis in the past you decide to bandwagon for this one. No reasons, just following Palmar's accusations, which does not have any arguments either. What the hell? How do you expect me to defend myself against nothing? Or maybe it would be better if I didn't defend myself? I really thought that you were townie from day1 but this is just crazy weird behavior from you who seemed to have played consistently well. Since this is lylo I think that it should be possible for everybody to make accusations against three guys. I'm gonna say that this JeeJee v Kavdragon thing looks a bit orchestrated, bad arguments for and even worse counter arguments, the whole thing ending up with a picture of a god damn rabbit getting pulled out of a hat. The whole thing looks like a farce to me, orchestrated so that scum has something to talk about today instead of being afraid to say something because this is getting dangerous. I think that the three scum are Kavdragon, JeeJee, and the last one is definitely not stefftastiq and I doubt that it is unichan either even though I was on his back after day2. This leaves Palmar and dementrio. Also, people get the hell posting and you absolutely have to be online tonight at deadline. Scum could do a last minute vote switch, it only takes one of us with a bad vote. I am going to need the help of three of you stefftastiq, unichan, Palmar, and dementrio because I seriously doubt that JeeJee is gonna keep his vote on Kavdragon if the guy is up for lynch when we're approaching deadline. ##Vote Kavdragon Sorry dude but you are playing terrible and I doubt that Ace coached you to use WIFOM as defense when you are townie. And I want to stress that this is not a final vote, I will be here until deadline and I want to see some proper defense Kavdragon. Now, get posting people, get posting right the hell now, we may have a lot of work to do. | ||
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You can do better than that. I want to see some analysis 'cause I bet that everybody is confused right now and you're suspicious too. | ||
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First I want to address the main point of Kavdragon's argument; the vet claim. If he is veteran then he is 100% townie, if he is not veteran then this is a last ditch defense as he so cleverly pointed out himself earlier in the game. Now is he a vet? First point against him being vet is that that would make 6 vanilla, 2 veteran, and 1 vigi against 3 vanilla scum (since nobody claimed roleblock yet I'm gonna assume that there are no roleblockers, if you forgot to claim roleblock then maybe now is the time). This is insanely imbalanced compared to SNMMII where we were 9 vanilla townies v 2 vanilla townies and a roleblocker. And town almost won that game if they'd just stayed active until the end. It goes without saying that 2 veterans AND a vigi would make town way overpowered. Second point against him; he claims that he has played like a vet all game through. Either he has been faking this all along or he has just now made this up. Faking it all along seems crazy since there was a vet day1 and that should make vet claims less believable later. I think he just now made this up and his behavior so far only vaguely supports the idea that he has been vet all game. He tried to help town, but he never got a scum lynched and so far everybody has tried to help town. More importantly he also claims to have tried to attract hits but he didn't, scum is never gonna hit a guy who might be protected by medic and the way he's been acting I would have protected him the first two nights if I were a medic. We saw it in SNMMII where the guys hit were all people who laid low without lurking, and we've seen it so far in this game too. The guy never tried to attract hits. This vet claim is something he just made up now, he's been acting scum acting vanilla in a self destructing town all game long. Like "I called for a vig hit on dementrio because I knew he was town and I wanted him to talk and I knew there were no vigs". Well scum acting vanilla townie could have done that too, "I called for vig hit on dementrio because he was lurking and we would not get a clear read on him for day3 lynch" with the secret agenda that dementrio might just be town (just look at his posts and Hesmyrr's). I also want to point out that he's only been defending himself so far, I think this is a scumtell. He never provided any reason for the sudden vote on me. I think that he jumped on me 'cause the first guy who got a bandwagon going on him on the first two nights was lynched. But then when everything was turned around he knew that he was gonna get in trouble very soon and this is a last ditch effort to avoid getting lynched. My vote stands because of reasons previously stated though I would not mind reiterating them by request. @Palmar You don't care about stuff that happens, you just sheep stefftastiq? Either you are scum or you should get a replacement right now 'cause you are ruining this game for town, and I don't care if you are trying to make a point of sheeping or anything, you should really try to lead by example. @dementrio The guy never played veteran, most of what he explains makes perfect sense in a scum acting vanilla townie context. The more outrageous the lie the more likely it is that people will believe it and playing on townie fear of repeating a day1 mistake makes it all the more powerful. | ||
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Changed his behavior totally trying to start a bandwagon against me with absolutely no reasons. During the pressure on him he has acted very desperately, using WIFOM and claims to defend himself while still not providing any reason for his weird vote against me. Has acted townie for parts of the game, but that was when town was self destructing and scum can risk scoring some town creds. Has not done a single vindicating thing in this game. Now why do you think that I am scum? There have been absolutely no arguments against me, just Palmar voting and switching away and Kavdragon voting for me. That's it. @unichan You still need to place your vote. | ||
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@Mataza No there wasn't a particular reason for killing you on day1. I was kinda tasked with finding someone and sending in the kills and I went to random.org and it brought me to you and I didn't see why that would be too terrible so you got hit. Blame atmospheric noise. Also, why was I so scummy? I actually read Ver's townie guide as preparation to this and I thought I played very townie at least first day and a half .. My day1 sinani206 lynch proposal was based solely off the day1 lynch in Ver's guide .. The town was selfdestructing already so there was enough room for scum to act townie .. I'd love any feedback from anybody 'cause I'd really want to improve, and also 'cause I'd probably play like this as town too and I don't want to be acting scummy as townie  | ||
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