TL Mafia XL

On June 04 2011 07:27 GGQ wrote:
I hate to be 'that guy' who makes a goodbye post and then comes back a couple weeks later... but dammit I miss this shit.

/in

On June 05 2011 22:36 Pyo wrote:


As a noob, it's somewhat difficult to distinguish "talkative" from "spammy". I just threw out a vote for you since (A) I want/need to get my vote out while I can (B) voting for someone who noone else is going to vote for is tantamount to abstaining (C) as someone who definitely has played mafia before, I assumed that amongst noobs, you'd be adequately adept at defending yourself if suspicion actually turned to you (D) I made a post indicating that my vote for you was joke if anything, but since you seem offended i'll change my vote.



Also, just out of curiosity, since the game wasn't filled only with noobs, how many people here actually have mafia experience?

On June 05 2011 23:08 Pyo wrote:Are people actually vindictive in mafia? Wouldn't that draw too much attention to themselves? Either way, my apologies, don't kill me off too quick

On June 06 2011 01:27 DeMorcerf wrote:I do not understand what you mean by this, sorry. Can you clarify whether "insane" is a good thing or a bad thing in this context; and what does "tunnel the roster" mean?

On June 06 2011 04:34 Pyo wrote:So how common is it for townies to vote for/ lynch day1 people that they just don't like or find annoying? I mean in the face no real evidence for or against anyone is it worth it to eliminate inactive or annoying players?

On June 06 2011 18:06 Pyo wrote:
After reading the posts up to now, I am reasonably confident that freeloader is probably a townie and the ambiguity of early accusers and their motivations means that there's not much to be learned from lynching him, although it might be inevitable at this point. Since his post in his defense haven't really been all that constructive anyway it isn't really a big loss, so I'm not gonna fight it.

The players that I find annoying are by far Haiku boy and Kurumi. So if ever I'm undecided about who to vote for it'll probably be one of them.

I think it is interesting to note all the little 1v1 bickering going on, the most recent example of which is between iGrok and gtrsrs. I think it is reasonable to assume that two mafia wouldn't orchestrate a mini feud this early on, which means that either both are town or only one is town.

So combining my last 2 paragraphs, I think I'm gonna have to change my vote to iGrok.

On June 06 2011 21:57 iGrok wrote:
Hey Jackal, good to see you again. Mind going over my Kurumi analysis?

On June 06 2011 22:52 amazingxkcd wrote:


As his post concerning kurumi 's behavior had helped, i am concerned with this statement. iGrok has listed a couple of seasoned players whom he reconizes for their experiences, but here he is already jumping to the conclusion that he had no reason to suspect them, especially jackal whom only made a post spectulating.

It seems to be that iGrok is quite convinced that kurumi is a scum as he already asked for a dt check rather than trust the dts to make the right decisions.

About jackal, i do not know much about him as he has not stated a lot yet, but iGrok is showing us that he is in league with jackal as from the podt above.

As of now, i do not want to label iGrok as scum, and i'd rather wait until later to see what jackal says and how the game flows, but iGrok is still suspicious. If iGrok is convicted as scum, then that puts pressure on jackal to respond.

On June 06 2011 23:50 Kurumi wrote:

Because it's terrible lynch based on "he asked question townie would never ask" evidence. His lynch will give no info and there are more scummy people here to lynch.

On June 06 2011 23:54 Kurumi wrote:

Are You smurfing? @_@ I responded to Benjef and got Jackal's response?

On June 07 2011 00:07 Kurumi wrote:

I feel confused because I don't what I am exactly supposed to answer here,I pointed out that Lafali is my #1 scummiest read right now,but I need to look into gtrsrs' case. Please,make the question easier because I totally don't get it @_@

On June 07 2011 00:15 amazingxkcd wrote:




You are discriminating against me and you just voted for me right now just off the basis of my first post, which i made after i finished watching MLG. You do not provide evidence that i am a scum nor do you back it up should you have given any evidence. It seems that you want me to be lynched when i am trying to win for the town.

@iGrok and @Jackal58;

I can't analyze Kurumi either, since i take that he's acting as if he has multiple personalities disorder. He should be watched for sure. Also, @Jackal58, you stated that he had the same behavior in the previous games you played with him, what were his roles? That should at least help to give us a direction on him. I am not trying to label you two as complete scum, but i was just concerned about iGrok's request for help from Jackal58.

About freeloader, I am currently leaning towards the scummy side as for the reasons others have put up front already, but i need more time to see if i do want to lynch him. There are others here who seem suspicious based on their posts and the tone of their post, but i am not ready right now to make a final desicion.

On June 07 2011 00:19 Kurumi wrote:
Oh also guys,does day end in like 40 minutes? We need to lynch someone in Free's place,God damnit. This way I will get into Treadmill's case now and ask for DT check on gtrsrs at night.

On June 07 2011 00:21 Xedat wrote:
I have one favour to ask of you:
Some people are cluttering the thread, an example would be the exchange between jackal and kurumi, I wrote some unnecessary one liners too.
Lets reduce our posting to helpful deiscussion.
kurumi: Come back with an analysis of gtrsr or tell us more in depth why lafali is scummy in your opinion.

jackal58:Make an analysis of kurumi or let him write a real post before attacking him again.

I think we need to stop cluttering the thread.

On June 07 2011 03:04 Kurumi wrote:

That means Town had luckiest lynch ever,Jackal58.

On June 07 2011 04:16 amazingxkcd wrote:
Hello impervious!!

Also,

does impervious have the same role as benjef?

On June 07 2011 04:20 TranceStorm wrote:

Or it could mean that he's a veteran :o).

On June 07 2011 05:47 TranceStorm wrote:

Would you mind doing a post-by-post analysis of rookie44's posts? (There are only 3) Right now I can't really see how subtly he is fishing for blues. After all, we don't know how experienced he really is, so I would like a little more clarification as to your accusation.

On June 06 2011 04:22 rookie44 wrote:
Hey guys,

This is all getting a bit out of hand, we seem to already be getting in each others faces over perceived (and real) sleights. I have only played mafia on battle.net, and this is going to be quite a different game to that.
Only real difference is timing. Tactics are the same

What i believe is the crucial difference is that we have large amounts of time for discussion. This also gives us the time to create a solid plan for using whatever roles we have effectively (it would seem that way).
This is role fishing. He's wanting people to post their roles and tell him how they intend to use them. At the very least he's hoping a noob would post something along the lines of I'm a DT. Who should I check

Maybe some of the more experienced players could expand on what investigative stratagies they have used; their pitfalls, and how we may evade those pitfalls.
This is saying "I am scum. How are you guys going to catch me? It's called a scum slip

Perhaps an added benifit will be that it will be very tricky for a mafia to come up with a generalized stratagy that is grounded in reason, so maybe there will be some suspiciously quiet people. (I assume it will be difficult for a generalized stratagy becasue i can only see the mafia being able to take advantage of a specific stratagy by getting their peolpe in the right places).
This is just bullshit trying to provide a townie reason for asking.

On June 07 2011 05:56 Alderan wrote:


Wait so you're saying instead of voting for new players being dumb you suggest us to vote for a player who has never played before on the forums (admittedly so) for suggesting that veteran players toss out potential strategies?

Sure it's a LITTLE scummy, but until I see some elaboration on your "very subtle in fishing for blues" I'm going to have to disagree with you.

On June 07 2011 19:21 rookie44 wrote:
Yeah no worries, this was all part of the game.

I had fun, and maybe i will see you guys in another mafia.

cheers
rookie

On June 07 2011 21:25 supersoft wrote:


i told you guys that it was stupid. we should have someone inactive get hanged. that mediclynch was either retarded or done by the mafia.
if the mafia stood behind that, i think they wanted to draw attention from their newby-member freeload. he would have been lynched if rookie wasn't... i am not sure about that, but it might be.

i also don't buy the "i am bad the first two days" thing. from now on noone should trust these accusations against newby player just because they ask something related to how the mafiatalk works or what strategy may be used...
arguments for lynching someone should be based on his votings and his accusations

On June 07 2011 21:44 supersoft wrote:
exactly. DTs should check these three guys that jumped on the bandwagon at the exact same time. kurumi and these other guys. someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. but searching posts with my iphone is super painful. at least i still don't trust jackal. i think his excuse "bad the first days" means: dont lynch me i'll get valuable for you.
noone wanted to lynch him, so why should he defend himself like this? explain yorself, jackal!

On June 08 2011 03:58 Alderan wrote:
Jackal- I understand your perception of him is based off past games but let's be realistic. In this scenario, why in the world would would mafia kill him after he was pretty much solely responsible of the bandwagon of one of our medics. Granted there was no way for him to know rookie was blue, and I did indeed keep my vote on rookie, but the fact remains that Jackal's "revered" history has made him a very powerful voting force, but in the wrong direction. Seems like someone I would like to keep around if I was scum, at least for a couple more games.

On June 08 2011 05:14 heist wrote:


Too late for me haha. But honestly better I get hit than a more valuable role. From now on I'm going to be gunning for jimbooo unless there is UNDENIABLE proof that he is town.

On June 08 2011 21:24 Sprungjeezy wrote:
iGrok, how do you not get the logic?

You are SCUM Mafia killed GGQ because he was a skilled player. They then ignore you. Why would they do that? You've been very influential this game, a clear scum threat. Why would they ignore you?

This is why I said the best move you could have done (especially with GGQ's final post) was to say you took the extra shot.

I apologize if me stating that. I guess it confused you.
But that doesn't matter.

On June 08 2011 23:35 Treadmill wrote:

Hrrrm. Fair enough. And thank you, I'm still a newbie so I'm flying pretty blind.

I finally took the time to read through todays posts - and I also took a quick look at iGrok's posts. I now think that iGrok is town. On the other hand, though, I can see how he comes across as a bit of a self-important ass (sorry...), and is rubbing some people the wrong way. So I think he's attracting some attention because of that.

To a more experienced player (maybe gtsrs or Jackal) - iGrok made the point that when the night post talks about two people, and two shots on GGQ that translates as the mafia using 2 KP on him - can one of you confirm this? Cause that would simplify things for us a bit.

On June 09 2011 01:15 amazingxkcd wrote:


About my accusations to rookie, please refer to my previous, which i am sure you can find yourself.

About all of the accusations against me, i am not trying to spread chaos as so much shit happened. I will post a complete analysis of every major players here when i get home from finals today. I will for now say that treadmill is tunneling me unneccessarily, and i can respond to his arguements.

Impervious also tried to tunnel me, but it wasn't as abusive as treadmill, plus impervious's night discussions are being more of a townie, so i will not attempt to tunnel him. I am convinced that Kurumi and iGrok are townies as everyone who attacked and or tunneled them are seeming to vibe together.

I am now starting to feel that jackal is scum material becausr i haven't seen much materials from him, and that all the people who jumped on me agreed with his analysis of rookie44, despite jackal having similar analysis as i had. There of course are our lurker scum (jimbooo, dranerk, and more) that others argued for.

On June 09 2011 01:54 Kurumi wrote:
Why is everyone forgetting about Jackal and listing everyone who voted on rookie besides him,this is confuses me a lot,lol.
Also ask questions. I try to improve as much as I can. Can't deduce something out of my posts? Ask,I'll straighten them up and make them "readable". I dislike being ignored when I am not mafia,really. I loved it in PYPI,but here it is unnecessary.

On June 09 2011 02:08 Kurumi wrote:

Not saying that You're scum,just that's an interesting observation that they blame everyone besides You.

On June 07 2011 09:30 Jackal58 wrote:
I want to encourage all of you to think critically and independently.I have seen to many games where town herp derps themselves into oblivion by following one individual. If you have misgivings and doubts about my analysis on rookie by all means bring it up for discussion. If you believe you have found a better alternative by all means bring it forward.

On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)

On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:
Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.

On June 10 2011 08:24 amazingxkcd wrote:
TL;DR

Hey, you guys were right, iGrok is mafia!

However, since i am more convinced of jackal, i am willing to switch my vote to iGrok if you guys also want to all vote for him since i really want to lynch both Jackal and iGrok

On June 10 2011 08:36 amazingxkcd wrote:

You didn't read my other posts that also has a lot of spoilers?

On June 10 2011 09:04 iGrok wrote:
You guys really want me back?

On June 10 2011 09:14 iGrok wrote:

No. I won't "post an actual defense". I've been defending myself all game from bullshit tunnels, and thats only gotten me accused of being not just scum but GF.

I may have something though... still thinking about it

On June 10 2011 09:25 iGrok wrote:

Well, not quite. Although I would laugh if Kurumi was GF, it doesn't necessarily have to be one of us, and "hasn't outed himself yet" is like the worst argument I've ever heard.

On June 10 2011 10:09 Senj wrote:
I'd also like to note that tdAdonis' only post in this thread was his /in. Really man? I'm far from the most active user but if you're going to sign up for a mafia game at least post in the thread.

On June 10 2011 22:18 teamsolid wrote:

Are you trying to save yourself?

Ever since you've got painted as the next target at the top of the list.

On June 10 2011 23:30 teamsolid wrote:

As well as the lynch list. Again, a lot of discrediting of other posts without real analysis, wishy-washy posts, all signs are pointing to scum.

On June 18 2011 23:30 Kurumi wrote:

Kairo the Vigilante did.