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On June 11 2011 18:39 heist wrote:
It's easy to say that Treadmill's analysis is dead wrong in hindsight. I can completely understand defending iGrok at that point in time. I personally wanted to avoid another bandwagon lynch. And you guys have to admit that you were presenting a very biased analysis which if looked at in another light could have just as easily held iGrok as townie. Don't know if it was iGrok's plan but I felt bad for the guy getting tunneled so hard haha.
Anyways I'm willing to admit I was wrong, but looking to our lynch, I also think grush57 is our main candidate. Bandwagoned freeloader early on, has mostly useless posts, and I feel like he voted for amazingxkcd as soon as he felt "safe" to do so (after Treadmill posted his defense and voted for amazing)
Grush57 is still not dead and I called for vigi hit,pity You vigis TT
About "bandwagon lynch"
Every lynch is a bandwagon of some kind. The guy with the most votes wins,the thing about bandwagon is how fast it is forming and on what kind of evidence. When we've got accurate DT check votes will storm from every side really fast.
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On June 11 2011 18:44 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 18:39 heist wrote:
It's easy to say that Treadmill's analysis is dead wrong in hindsight. I can completely understand defending iGrok at that point in time. I personally wanted to avoid another bandwagon lynch. And you guys have to admit that you were presenting a very biased analysis which if looked at in another light could have just as easily held iGrok as townie. Don't know if it was iGrok's plan but I felt bad for the guy getting tunneled so hard haha.
Anyways I'm willing to admit I was wrong, but looking to our lynch, I also think grush57 is our main candidate. Bandwagoned freeloader early on, has mostly useless posts, and I feel like he voted for amazingxkcd as soon as he felt "safe" to do so (after Treadmill posted his defense and voted for amazing)
Grush57 is still not dead and I called for vigi hit,pity You vigis TT About "bandwagon lynch" Every lynch is a bandwagon of some kind. The guy with the most votes wins,the thing about bandwagon is how fast it is forming and on what kind of evidence. When we've got accurate DT check votes will storm from every side really fast. I thought we get accurate DT checks now that GF is dead.
I think Freeloader should be added to this list, he hasn't really contributed to anything and seems to post only to state who he's voting for.
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On June 11 2011 15:23 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 13:02 gtrsrs wrote:
i agree with trancestorm's analysis of Vain, and i agree 100%. i think we should pressure Vain.
the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines.
in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia
grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid.
town list for sure is:
pyo
gtrsrs
trancestorm
xedat
kurumi
jackal based on his day 1 voting for falafi i think Munk e is town as well.
and freeloader, since falafi voted on him, falafi is such a gift of information 
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On June 11 2011 21:47 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 15:23 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On June 11 2011 13:02 gtrsrs wrote:
i agree with trancestorm's analysis of Vain, and i agree 100%. i think we should pressure Vain.
the other main mafia candidate for me is still grush57. i looked through his last ~15 posts in this topic and they were ALL < 3 lines except for 1 which was 3 lines. none of them have anything of value at all, except the one that's 3 lines.
in that post he declares that mafia likes to stay quiet so as to divert our attention. this is fallacious. mafia likes to actively lurk so we target the quiet people and they blend in. with ~15 posts that say nothing, a pressure vote on me, and ultimately a vote for amazingxkcd, i'm sticking with my gut that grush is mafia
grush or vain hopefully take a bullet tonight, if not, we need to lynch one of them for sure tomorrow. my next biggest candidate is treadmill, followed by abrupps and teamsolid.
town list for sure is:
pyo
gtrsrs
trancestorm
xedat
kurumi
jackal based on his day 1 voting for falafi i think Munk e is town as well. and freeloader, since falafi voted on him, falafi is such a gift of information
Freeloader was confirmed town since a bandwagon based on shitty evidence sky rocketed so high that I couldn't even see it.
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I was actually playing Don't Fear (The Reaper).
Fuck you scum.
GL town.
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On June 11 2011 21:50 Jackal58 wrote:
I was actually playing Don't Fear (The Reaper).
Fuck you scum.
GL town.
I feel so alone now TT
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Since grush57 did not even try defending himself I will prod him to do it even more.
##Vote grush57
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On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
Vain didn't vote against amazinxdc.
iGrok was too valuable as GF for the mafia. They probably all voted against amazinxdc. therefor we have to kill these obvious scums from first.
while the bolded part is true, you're insinuating that vain voted against iGrok, which is also not true. he voted to kill Jackal, which means we can't ignore him completely.
On June 11 2011 18:10 supersoft wrote:
my suggestion is either TheAwesomeAll or aprudds just by their votingbehaviour. I'll go through their posts later, maybe someone could help me out there a little.
i think it would be unwise to split our attention amongst several possible candidates and instead focus on the two LIKELY candidates for lynch.
something's a bit fishy about this post. noted.
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THE PLAN
Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow.
- We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
- We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
- We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
"They have already pointed that out"
"They seem scummy to me"
QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
Is NOT enough!
- We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
"Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
(Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
- We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.
Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched.
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On June 12 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote:THE PLAN Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow. - We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
- We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
- We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
"They have already pointed that out"
"They seem scummy to me"
QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
Is NOT enough!
- We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
"Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
(Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
- We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.
Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched.
Given the fact that kurumi is insane and has pretty much accused everyone at one point or another as being scum, I think we should just completely ignore anything he posts from now on, especially ones with superfluous red and green in them.
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On June 12 2011 00:21 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote:THE PLAN Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow. - We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
- We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
- We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
"They have already pointed that out"
"They seem scummy to me"
QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
Is NOT enough!
- We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
"Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
(Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
- We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.
Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched. Given the fact that kurumi is insane and has pretty much accused everyone at one point or another as being scum, I think we should just completely ignore anything he posts from now on, especially ones with superfluous red and green in them.
Discrediting me using xenophobic videos and calling me insane isn't a strong thing You know.
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Alright, I am at my parents and not at the pc very often, I will be pretty inactive the next 48 hours.
Is there a post with the final vote? Or is the last one where amazing and igrok have both 13 votes the correct one?
It would be pretty risky for vain to vote for jackal if the vote between iGrok and amazing is so close and he is mafia.
I will vote for grush57 as he is the fishiest guy that voted for amazing, maybe when I have a bit more time I will read more of his posts and analyze him a bit.
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On June 12 2011 00:26 Xedat wrote:
Alright, I am at my parents and not at the pc very often, I will be pretty inactive the next 48 hours.
Is there a post with the final vote? Or is the last one where amazing and igrok have both 13 votes the correct one?
It would be pretty risky for vain to vote for jackal if the vote between iGrok and amazing is so close and he is mafia.
I will vote for grush57 as he is the fishiest guy that voted for amazing, maybe when I have a bit more time I will read more of his posts and analyze him a bit.
the 13-13 post is correct except CjrNinja is listed twice. While it is true that mafia could have swayed the vote to protect iGrok, it wouldn't be the first time that they have acted sub-optimally.
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here is a post by post summary of grush57
+ Show Spoiler +
I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from.
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On June 12 2011 01:09 Pyo wrote:here is a post by post summary of grush57 + Show Spoiler +I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from.
You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet".
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EDWOP:
Maybe not every scum move,but most of them and the most important ones I can remember.
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On June 11 2011 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Since grush57 did not even try defending himself I will prod him to do it even more.
##Vote grush57
It's not like I had to do something yesterday and have a life. Anyways, I'll get to that later.
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On June 12 2011 01:09 Pyo wrote:here is a post by post summary of grush57 + Show Spoiler +I honestly don't know what to think, nothing really stands out as being scummy. What I would like to know is where/who the initial accusations about grush came from.
i was the first to FoS grush57. it was just another hunch. he tried to pressure vote me at the same time i was publicly FoSing iGrok. it seemed like a good diversion. later i think kurumi also called him out and he just started QQing and hasn't contributed anything. re-read his posts. where is the substance? it's classic "posting without saying anything"
and what do you know, his latest post is yet another prime example:
On June 12 2011 01:23 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Since grush57 did not even try defending himself I will prod him to do it even more.
##Vote grush57 It's not like I had to do something yesterday and have a life. Anyways, I'll get to that later.
get to what later? he's not going to defend himself, he's going to deflect all day.
On June 12 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote:
You're playing against all the points of my plan,which listed every scum move You can do. You're scum,Pyo. You don't express Your thoughts. You just state things. You don't make a statement about player,You leave it with "I don't know" or "I haven't made my mind up yet".
no, Pyo is cleared. so are you. don't derail the thread by sniping each other and for fuck sake kurumi, hit preview before you post, and make sure you've said everything you need to say, so you don't need to take up 10 posts on a page with your edits and redactions
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no, Pyo is cleared. so are you. don't derail the thread by sniping each other and for fuck sake kurumi, hit preview before you post, and make sure you've said everything you need to say, so you don't need to take up 10 posts on a page with your edits and redactions[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
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