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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 11 2011 20:19 GMT
#1241
Well theres 8 mafia 8 blues(I think) would make sense 2 of each. Now that I think about it, it is stupid I said that. No reason, just gut feeling, something stupid to rely on.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 11 2011 20:22 GMT
#1242
Grush,I'd really like You to make a case against someone,because without another candidate we will end lynching You.
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aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 11 2011 22:15 GMT
#1243
On June 12 2011 02:59 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 02:52 aprudds wrote:
in the first round all of them voted for obvious townies. + All of them defended iGrok and attacked amazingxdc. + All of them made only useless posts.

Please tell me how Jimbooo was an obvious townie.

You're active lurking,aren't You?

I don't even know what that means :/
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 11 2011 22:17 GMT
#1244
On June 12 2011 07:15 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 02:59 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 02:52 aprudds wrote:
in the first round all of them voted for obvious townies. + All of them defended iGrok and attacked amazingxdc. + All of them made only useless posts.

Please tell me how Jimbooo was an obvious townie.

You're active lurking,aren't You?

I don't even know what that means :/

That means You read the thread,but You don't post and respond when You get called out.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 11 2011 22:46 GMT
#1245
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 22:59 GMT
#1246
On June 12 2011 04:24 grush57 wrote:
Alright, Time to get Serious, the most suspicous people right now are me(:O), aprudds, Treadmill, and Vain.

First off, Aprudds.

Looking throughout his posts, he had no analysis, 90% of it saying nothing or saying ovbious things and restating what others said. All 1 or 2 liners, he is basically what I was doing.
Scum? Probably, not 100% sure so would be best as a dt check/vig.

Second, Treadmill.

His explanations on why he thought xcd was scum. Then, his defence and explanation about him being "pals" with iGrok and thinking xcd was scum.After that, saying gtsrs not to ask questions? And later saying only 8 mafia. Facepalming for lynching xcd. More about the wrong vote count, and then saying that xcd probably checked Kurumi,(which I think can all be agreed upon is true).
And that was all which was recent. Before, he was defending iGrok, which was all wrong and saying why he thinks xcd is scum.
Is he scum? I'm not really sure. I mean sure he was wrong about iGrok and xcd, but a lot of us made that mistake too, and atleast Treadmill provided explanations and didn't lurk like a lot of us. So, I think he is townie.(Maybe Vet)

Third, Vain.

Alright, so he is pretty much avoiding mafia. Took me forever to find his profile for post history. But, he was posting in various other threads in TL. Latest post was 1000 something and before was 600 and then 500 posts in the XL thread. The latest post was him stating what happened basically and saying Kurumi is town(which i agree with) and about jackal defending lafali(intentionally or not). Saying Jackal or iGrok have to be mafia(which was right), explained everything etc. Not a scummy post at all. Later post.. says crap, shouldn't of voted rookie, lost all medics. Other post... Agreeing with Impervious about jackal being mafia... analyzing rookie, saying he spams and is scummy, anazlyses post by post. wasn't sure about iGrok being town or mafia, and questioning Kurmi being town.
Scum? Well, he is/was avoiding the heat from everyone else, but all his posts are town like and include analysis, and it looks like they were all right. But then again, if he is scum he would know exactly who would be town/mafia. Would probably good for a DT check.

Me?

Well, all my posts have been 1-2 liner posts that say absolutely nothing and are verry scummish, especially for not explaining my votes, and contradicting myself. And yes gtsrs, I am now scrambling to save myself, just like anyone else would. First time for an actual towny post, but could be result of my noobiness. Sorry for my posts before, and I'll try to act my role from now on. The choice is up to you if you think I'm town based on this post and my posts or if I'm scum trying to save myself. I hope this satisfies all of you who wanted me to post something that contributes, and I hope you make the right choice of killing de scummz.

Man, I feel accomplished writing all this(lol) but I hope this is good enough, because It doesn't feel up to par to the rest of your's.



hahaha, so everyone is innocent on that list? please! you don't have to save your scumbuddys. But thank you very much for that list!
We aren't stupid.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 11 2011 23:01 GMT
#1247
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 11 2011 23:31 GMT
#1248
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.

supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 23:31 GMT
#1249
it's colorful?
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 11 2011 23:35 GMT
#1250
Aprudds, I did not mean overall, but now. You made a post, so You're present here and You could write something nice(Thanks for talking a bit about the.. The Points. Yeah. A new name for The Plan.)
And yeah Supersoft. It is colorful.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 11 2011 23:36 GMT
#1251
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum.
Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty.
aprudds
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada144 Posts
June 12 2011 00:18 GMT
#1252
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2011 08:36 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum.
Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty.


I don't understand this logic. Because I'm not pushing the blame on someone else I must be scum? Because I'm trying to be constructive I must be scum? Please be more clear with your accusation so that I may properly defend myself.

+ Show Spoiler +
Aprudds, I did not mean overall, but now. You made a post, so You're present here and You could write something nice(Thanks for talking a bit about the.. The Points. Yeah. A new name for The Plan.)
And yeah Supersoft. It is colorful.


I misunderstood you, apologizes. I am currently trying to sort out my feelings on all of this.
On one hand we got the godfather and are on a good road to winning.
On the other hand I haven't been so dreadfully wrong with the people I thought were suspicious. XKCD turned out to be blue, jimbooo green and jackal green. Looking back on their posts I would have still thought them as scum. I can't help but doubt my judgments and am no longer confident in anything.

Why would Xkcd vote for jackal even though the vote for him was so close? After he flipped blue I thought it meant that he inspected jackal night 1 and he was framed. But if he was framed why would he say he's the godfather? Nothing makes sense.

Another thing that was bothering me is the two lists. Both days we got a blue killed (or almost killed) as apart of the lynch. When day came I was going to post this list of names.

treadmill
Senj
Kairo
Impervious
Alderan

These people voted for both xkcd and rookie and I was very confident these were the 5 scum. But day came and Impervious flipped blue completely crushing my theory. They could be scum but then again I could be wrong, like all the other times I was wrong. I know I'm being wishy washy and not firmly stating a stance, but all the previous times I've done it this game I've been wrong so I hesitate singling anyone out. I ask anyone in confidence in their analysis like to look into those so I can get a second opinion.
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
June 12 2011 00:31 GMT
#1253
On June 12 2011 00:06 Kurumi wrote:
THE PLAN

Hello Townies! Planning ahead our play is a really good way to get on the right track. I want to make some points for us to follow.
  • We shall not accept lurking. Active lurking (not posting but responding almost immediately to any sort of attack) is treated as scummy and will be punished.
  • We shall not accept posters who do not express their feelings about players, are extremely cautious and have vague opinions about everything.
  • We shall not accept people jumping on bandwagons without good explanation. Saying:
    "They have already pointed that out"
    "They seem scummy to me"
    QUOTE: Player X is scum because Y,Z /QUOTE "I agree"
    Is NOT enough!
  • We shall not accept people who post without substance just to appear they contribute.
    "Bandwagonner Johnny is scummish, because noone would jump on such bandwagon without good evidence. The lynch of Scum Joe wouldn't help, his posting thus far was good.
    (Notice lack of expressing thoughts,those are empty statements,without anything linking person talking to the case,there's no "I think" "He is good lynch because of his errors like here: *insert post*" "His posting was good because here: *insert post* he tried to pressure Dianne the Lurker and after it I think Dianne painted herself as scum."
  • We shall not accept people who bring down every plan,try to silence discussion and divert attention without strong evidence on someone else.

Feel free to add something to that list. I hope it is good enough for us to catch scum and hopefully get it lynched.

What do you mean by "We shall not accept...". Are we going to insta-lynch people for it, or just pressure them? Otherwise, it's all just basics.


@ Vain, where you have you been? I'm sure you're completely happy that Grush is under fire atm but if you don't speak up, you'll be next. This would be a good place for you to start
On June 12 2011 00:25 Pyo wrote:
So far I have only found two players who were actively defending iGrok on day 2: heist and Vain

heist posting history:
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - amazingxkcd
day 2 - Jimbooo

thinks freeloader's last two posts were suspicious

confusion about rolecounts

confusion cleared up

justifies making an inactives list

diverts attention away from iGrok toward grush57; analyzes grush's posting history to be mostly one-liners

advises people who voted for freeloader to reconsider; pushes going after lurkers; says grush, supersoft, lafali, amazingxkcd, and gtrsrs are suspicious. Says there are two strategies for how town should vote day 1 - doesn't make much sense

posts vote counts and wants to know why people voted for monstrerDrakar and Drazerk

criticizes supersoft's arbitrary vote. wants to get supersoft's read on the other person who voted monsterDrakar (Xedat)

"mafia will do whatever it takes to seem like a townie"

bad formatting making a quoted post look like his own; admonishing xkcd for being defensive and casting suspicioun on everyone and bandwagoning drazerk; says xkcd and rookie have similar chances of being scum

clarifies formating from previous post

really doesn't want people voting freeloader; really going after xkcd

noticed lafali unvoting freeloader after bandwagon started to change; noticed jimbooo did the same thing; accuses jimbooo, suggests killing xkcd as well.

declares that he's gunning for jimbooo

his expreience

defense that iGrok can't be GF because mafia wouldn't kill off a townie supporter of the GF (ignores the fact that iGrok had heat on him, so it was perfectly reasonable to try to establish cred)

says person who was hit should acknowledge that they were hit and survived.

long defense of iGrok. Seems like he's going really far out of his way to defend him.

it's clear heist really doesn't like me.

says kurumi is probably town given that xkcd flipped blue

vain posting history:
+ Show Spoiler +
day 1 - rookie44
day 2 - jackal58

ays that we should lynch freeloader for information (says if he's town then people defending him are town)

challenges kurumi saying some evidence is better than no evidence

says accusations against freeloader were grounded. Repeats that we should lynch freeloader for information (wasn't this guy supposed to be "experienced" as per iGrok's recommendation

again with the small suspicion is better than no suspicioun

defends iGrok's haukus

says newbieness of game will mean mafia are more lurking. Defends iGrok by saying that he's a good poster. Suggests to DT check iGrok.

defends a typo in his post about kurumi from iGrok

suggest pressuring lurkers

defends rookie as being new

agrees with me that iGrok is scummy, but that we shouldn't kill him as it would be bad to lose him day 1 if he was town

says freeloader probably isn't scum

long rambling post defending iGrok saying one of jackal or iGrok is scum, but he thinks it is jackal


Given that igrok says we should trust jackal ggq and vain

but GGQ is suspicious of Vain for defending lafali and for advocating a freeloader lynch and for being labaled as experienced despite GGQ never having seen him before

and also that iGrok says jackal, GGQ, and vain are not on the same team or he'll never play in a Meapak game again (knowledge that they aren't all on the same team?)

I'm going to vote for Vain unless something else comes up.

I WILL NOT ACCEPT LURKERS
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 12 2011 01:27 GMT
#1254
On June 12 2011 08:36 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum.
Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty.


Coming from someone who has just agreed with another's analysises, always stating the ovbious, and always quoting someone's analysis and then saying that u agree and go vote for them. Sounds scummy for yourself, and now ur calling people scum for doing analysis. I'm sorry for being indirect, but ok aprudds is definetly mafia by the way he is posting, and Vain and Treadmill are innocent. Happy?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
June 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#1255
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



Until a minute ago (when I read the most recent page) I wanted to see Aprudds and 35spike1 invest in an opinion against someone.

I am also suspicious of Alderan who I have only seen defending people.

I plan on posting some analysis soon, but would love to see some analysis done for OR by these 3 people.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
June 12 2011 04:29 GMT
#1256
On June 12 2011 10:27 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 08:36 supersoft wrote:
On June 12 2011 08:31 aprudds wrote:
On June 12 2011 08:01 Kurumi wrote:
On June 12 2011 07:46 aprudds wrote:
I have no intention on filling it with 5 posts in a row -_-.

Since You were here(or are) why You didn't post anything helpful?
People,what do You think about my Plan?
The Plan

Your plan isn't really a plan, but more of a set of guidelines that is mostly common sense in the first place. There isn't much to say other then yes it's reasonable.

As for not posting anything helpful, I look at the facts and analysis, make my judgments, point out faulty logic, and post my thoughts. I am open to any suggestions and criticisms but you will need to be more specific then "be more useful."

Personally I don't find your posting style to be very constructive; it clutters up the thread leading to people not wanting to read or listen to you. You need to work on clarity and conciseness within your posts. That being said there has been an improvement in your posting quality which I thank you for.



lol, you and grush, you two are so obviously scum.
Now you try to be serious and talk something smart etc. - Acting as if everything is normal and giving some nice advices isn't enough. Neither one of you even tryed to convince us, that someone other than you is guilty.


Coming from someone who has just agreed with another's analysises, always stating the ovbious, and always quoting someone's analysis and then saying that u agree and go vote for them. Sounds scummy for yourself, and now ur calling people scum for doing analysis. I'm sorry for being indirect, but ok aprudds is definetly mafia by the way he is posting, and Vain and Treadmill are innocent. Happy?

Aw. poor mafia, about to get lynched and still can't defend himself.
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
June 12 2011 08:20 GMT
#1257
Lol... Guys, we need to get some conversation going. Otherwise lurkers will lurk and town will fail.
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
June 12 2011 09:07 GMT
#1258
On June 12 2011 17:20 35spike1 wrote:
Lol... Guys, we need to get some conversation going. Otherwise lurkers will lurk and town will fail.

Spike the lone townie
waits for an answer, finds none.
Maybe I'll just sleep
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
heist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States720 Posts
June 12 2011 09:30 GMT
#1259
Well after hearing grush57 my opinion of him still has not changed. I've been suspicious of him from day 1 and he has done nothing remotely pro-town. there's not much else to say that I or other people haven't already said due to how little content he posts. I will be voting him and will not change my vote unless there is a blatant contradiction on someone else. Our best shot at lynching mafia will be someone on the list who voted for amazingxkcd.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 12 2011 10:23 GMT
#1260
@35spike1
People violating The Points should get pressured at first,then depending on reaction (vide xkdc's hardcore GOOD defence) we don't lynch or do/shoot at night or don't. People ignoring us are obvious targets. Now we've got case of grush57 and Vain,grush still did not convince me at all,while Vain is hardcore lurking/stopped playing. If Vain votes and posts at least once,he should be shot at night by our vigilante,unless he redeems himself.
As for now,two targets:
Grush57,semi-lurking guy who tries - lynch him,during that something new could pop up.
Vain,lurker who doesn't give a damn - night kill(low probability of him speaking up)
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