On June 06 2011 04:12 grush57 wrote:
Im not inactive, I just dont feel like anybody can accuse this early.
This is grush57's first post. It is already 13 hours into the game and he begins by saying we should not accuse this early. Funny how a hour hour previous to that he had voted for Freeloader.
On June 06 2011 04:21 grush57 wrote:
Yea true, I stupidly joined the bandwagon to lynch freeloader from his posts.
He defends his vote with this weak argument but has yet to change his vote. More on this later.
On June 06 2011 09:02 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 08:42 omgCRAZY wrote:
As the day goes on we will separate the lurkers from the inactives and that is when we will be able to start to piece together how everyone is playing. I am more interested in the people NOT talking than all of the people pointing fingers right now.
Says the person with only 1 post so far?
The game has barely started. Huge analysis have been yet to be made and grush57 has already stopped reading the thread.
On June 06 2011 09:10 grush57 wrote:
Oh, sorry, only checked back a couple pages.
On June 07 2011 05:05 grush57 wrote:
##UnVote: freeloader625
##Vote: gtrsrs
So now grush57 decides to finally switch his vote. By this point the freeloader lynch has basically fallen apart. He switches his vote to gtrsrs with this explanation:
On June 07 2011 05:08 grush57 wrote:
I'm pretty sure gtsrs is scum. He is keep accusing people with little info and keep saying he will risk his life, even though he would be scrambling to save himself if he was up to be lynched.
Therefore, I vote gtsrs.
Now I don't have too much problems with this except that there is really no content that comes with it and it looks like he is coming to the defense of iGrok who we now know was GF.
On June 09 2011 00:34 grush57 wrote:
##vote: amazingxkcd
Here is an interesting vote. At this point rookie44 is dead and all the suspicion is now on xkcd.
Treadmills huge analysis on xkcd was recently posted and no one would question his decision to vote for xkcd at this time. But here is his reasoning.
On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
Not a very strong argument and he does not give any reasons other than xkcd not responding to accusations which looks like he was jsut away from his computer and/or catching up on reading. We can also now assume that the 3 consecutive votes were a crazy coincidence. Grush57 does not reference Treadmill's huge analysis at all and with his previous history of not reading the thread I would not be surprised that he barely skimmed the entire thing.
On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
This is an amazing case,I can't agree more!
Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.
Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me.
Kurumi calls him out for the same thing; a poor argument. Grush57 responds very badly to the pressure and has a little tantrum. He tries to justify his lurking but does not actual add anything to his analysis of xkcd and keeps his vote.
On June 09 2011 04:35 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 04:21 Senj wrote:Back from lunch and it's time to finish up my thoughts on Jimbooo.
Spoiler: Aprudds post calling out Jimbooo for hopping on both the bandwagon votes. Page 30.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2011 09:59 aprudds wrote:@rookie Are you serious? At least defend yourself man. Your the start of the Jackel tunnel and this is your defense? Step it up man.
@
jimbo Hello
Jimbo it seems your eager to jump on bandwagons. A
BIT TOO eager no?
First you jump on the freeloader bandwagon after "patting me on the back", and when the heat turns up a bit you jump off.
You disappear for a few hundred posts (200s-500s) with little to no defense and when you pop back with this being your only defense.
+ Show Spoiler +Sorry for not replying to accusations against me , I really didnt know what to say. My vote was way to early , which was the reason i retracted it. I don't have anything else to say at this point.
Next when Jackel starts to put on the heat on rookie you jump on that one as well. With not a single post explaining why. Not even a simple "I agree", or a "that makes sense". Just a simple silent vote. Someone is trying to avoid attention.
+ Show Spoiler + I accidentally posted my last post without finishing , sorry. Im not sure if freeloader was TRYING to be suspicious with his last post , but after thinking it through I think he is probably just new. That small amount of evidence got a discussion started , but I think people also voted slightly hastily. It looks very suspicious that so many people voted for freeloader right after he was accused.
Yes, it looks very suspicious that people voted hastily. I guess you would agree I have ample reason to FOS you then eh?
TL;DR (since I know you don't seem to like reading)
Neither me nor Jackel had a very good case (my case on freeloader was not even a case at all) and yet you are more than eager to jump on bandwagons.
You have almost no defense for your earlier behavior
You don't justify your lynches.
Your past self would agree that your suspicious
You sir get my vote.
His last post on Teamliquid was a vote for rookie45 on June 7th. He didn't give any post explaining his reasoning for rookie.
Well shit. I was looking forward to digging deeper in to this, but there's nothing left. Where are you
Jimbooo?
Since You're ok with lynching lurking people who vote without any explanation/shitty explanation are You agreeing with me on vigi shooting grush57?
I don't think grush57 is scum though. His justifications have been really bad, but at least he is attacking certain people. Look at his accusation of gtrsrs - why would he do that? There was no heat on gtrsrs at that moment whereas mafia members want to slip unnoticed and draw attention by attacking others.
Plus, this post doesn't sound like a mafia response at all:
Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:01 grush57 wrote:On June 09 2011 01:02 Kurumi wrote:On June 09 2011 00:58 grush57 wrote:
Alright, I'm going to say that amazingxcd is scum, for he is not responding to any accusations and lynched a medic and had no clear evidence that rookie was scum.
This is an amazing case,I can't agree more!
Not. You're a terrible poster and horrible scum. You haven't made any case against him Yourself. You're just active lurking and joining on any potential bandwagon. There was clear evidence on rookie44:blue fishing,though it can go either way(confused blue or scum). People who backed off and defended rookie44 hardcore are most likely scum. Treadmill is scum. iGrok is highly likely the GF.
Fine, Ill just lurk like the other 30 people and jump on bandwagons like the other 30 people, otherwise every time I try to say something everybody else tries to jump on me.
Sounds to me alot more like a bored green than a mafia trying to cover their tracks.
On June 09 2011 05:18 grush57 wrote:
Alright guys, I'm sorry for my previous posts and I'll try to be a little bit analytical now(or however you spell it). I was just frusturated of everybody jumping on every little thing of my posts.
After the pressure was stopped on him and TranceStorm contributed a small defense for grush57 he responds saying he will be more analytical later on.
On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote:
So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was).
So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum.
Here is his first attempt at an analysis. The talk has switched from Freeloader a long time ago and there is a lot going on that he could discuss but he decides to go after the people who stayed on Freeloader before the rookie44 lynch. What?!? All of these players were almost silent for the last part of the day and could have very well been afk.
So his guesses are 4 people for not switching their vote to rookie44 or xkcd and gives no other reason. Then he goes on to say
,but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum.
wishy washy much?
On June 09 2011 06:43 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:26 blackone wrote:On June 09 2011 05:35 grush57 wrote:
So, the people on the freeloader bandwagon even right before the lynching were cherubael, benjef, teamsolid and blackbone. The only one that was non lurking was cherubael, and only in the very beginning. Like we all know, mafia tends to be quiet and try to all go on a bandwagon to lynch a random townie(assuming he was).
So, those are some of my guesses, but not necissarily saying that they are or aren't scum.
The bandwagon at that time I voted freeloader (and posted why I did) was rookie. If bandwagoning means being one of the few people not wanting to lynch the doctor, I think it's a pretty good thing to do.
Yea, but you could also be bandwagoning another blue.
I... uh... what? Now he thinks blackone is bandwagoning freeloader because he is a blue? Where did that come from. Now grush57 is just confusing me with his poor defense and idiotic accusations.
On June 09 2011 07:07 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 06:55 grush57 wrote:On June 09 2011 06:40 supersoft wrote:I going to vote for iGrok now. I believe he's scum. For several reasons.
First reason: I thought about who might be the person who leads the mafia - whether he's also GF or not doesn't matter for me right now.
To my mind came 3 persons who dominated the scene at the first day:
Kurumi, Jackal and iGrok.
Now to the differences between these three players:
Kurumi is very aggressive and gets into everyones face every time he posts something. He was against the freeloaderlynch and sceptical about the rookielynch. But he proposed several alternativelynches.
Jackal was also against the freeloaderlynch, and he proposed to lynch rookie instead. No good move if you are GF/mafia if you know that freeloader also is townie... Why should you draw votes from a townie to another townie... That's just stupid...
iGrok just posted some informations etc. and he asked for a DT-check on Kurumi.
___________________________
iGrok was the most passive player out of the three. Of course he was! as scum he knew exactly that rookie and freeloader were innocent, so he could easily sit back and watch the town lynch each other. He just hadn't do anything. In fact it would have been stupid to really push for a Kurumilynch. He just tried to make him look suspicious, to draw attention from himself: Of course a DT check on Kurumi would be negative. But no problem, iGrok still could say that Kurumi is the GF.
Second reasonThis shit convinced me
+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2011 13:03 GGQ wrote:GGQ's big post of epicness in case he dies tonight (which I've just realised I dont have enough time to make as long as I want
Trust me that it's smart and good:
No one undertook the exercise I set of looking at who defended and attacked lafali and why. I'm very disappointed, guys. You all get 0/2 on your homework for today. The veteran players are all going to be dead before this game is nearly over, and you guys need to practice working on how to actually find scum, not just accuse people based on neutral tells. Keep your heads up, don't get discouraged. Look at contradictions in talk and behavior. Look at people who are skating by with posts that just repeat previous content. These are the scummy players.
The point was to lead you to Kurumi and iGrok above everyone else. Kurumi attacks lafali for his bandwagon vote bringing nothing new to the table on freeloader. There was absolutely no reason for him to throw scum on lafali so early in the game if he's mafia. Plus his aggressiveness and balls-out attitude are more inline with a green than anything else. Kurumi is most likely town.
iGrok defends lafali as probably newb town. He's the only one who defends lafali straight out, but Vain, aprudds, monsterDrakar, and Senj also soft-defend him. I'm not saying they are all scum, but it's a great place to look for scum (dts take note! vigis save your shots). At this point in time I think iGrok is almost certainly the godfather of the mafia team (it could be jackal as well but his behavior doesn't fit the role as well, and seems more in line with the town play I've seen from him). iGrok defends lafali after Kurumi calls him out and votes for him, while before this accusation he posted that everyone who had voted so far ( which included lafali) should be under suspicion. Contradiction. iGrok has also been working to get into a town-leadership and thread-presence position all game, something the godfather always tries to do. iGrok also got way too defensive after being attacked and accused.
Other suspicious people to me: Vain, partly for defending lafali, partly for advocating the lynch on freeloader for 'information' blehhhhh I already posted about that, and partly because iGrok listed him as a skilled vet with him, me and jackal when I think he's quite new and I havent seen anything particularly good from him. iGrok probably wanted another mafia on that list, though.
Of course jimbooo whom I voted Day 1, for reasons already stated by multiple players.
Others are monsterDrakar and Senj. xkcd has decreased on my scum meter lately but isn't totally clear.
So, he is the most passive, which could also mean he is a blue and then later in another post, you try to get other people to bandwagon with You. Not saying whether iGrok is mafia or town/blue, but u do have good analysis of those players. Inb4 grush57 is trying to defend iGrok, he is scum!
i didn't think of that possibility that he's blue to be honest.
On June 09 2011 07:14 supersoft wrote:
But I don't think he's blue. If he was blue, somebody else must be the leading mafioso. I don't believe, that there is no mafia member that tries to influence the town. Can't be all lurkers.
I named the other two persons, and I believe I am still correct with my accuse.
It's not like I say he must be GF because he said: "blablabla"
I say he's GF because the other two that come to my mind are in my eyes innocent.
On June 09 2011 07:20 grush57 wrote:
Yea, I don't really think he would be blue either.
I wanted to get this whole conversation because it blows my minds how wishy washy grush57 is.
First he DOES defend iGrok and accuses of supersoft trying to get a bandwagon on him. He suggests that iGrok may be blue and then quickly makes sure to point out that he is not defending iGrok. Then after supersoft says how he believes iGrok is not a blue grush quickly agrees. Why the quick turnaround?
On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd
You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?
I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.
Joining on bandwagon without explanation,
Puny Rat.
You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.
Another attempt to defend iGrok while accusing Kurumi.
On June 10 2011 06:34 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2011 05:58 supersoft wrote:On June 10 2011 05:02 Jackal58 wrote:On June 10 2011 04:50 supersoft wrote:
haha, since i believe that both iGrok and amazinxdc are scum, it'll be super interesting to see who voted last ;-)
Might be me. I haven't convinced myself that either are town or either are scum. I'm leaning more towards Jimboo but I haven't made up my mind there either.
Since you were terribly wrong with you last accusation, that's ok. But let me tell you, if iGrok is innocent, you will probably be the next potential GF.
On June 10 2011 05:32 grush57 wrote:On June 10 2011 05:12 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:05 blackone wrote:On June 10 2011 04:47 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 04:44 blackone wrote:
##Vote: amazingxkcd
You gotta go far,kid.
Not.
Guess one bullet between Your puny little coward eyes will teach You something?
I'd love to answer you, but I'm not exactly sure what you're accusing me of. Or what I need to be teached.
Joining on bandwagon without explanation,
Puny Rat.
You didn't say that to the people who joined on the iGrok bandwagon without explanation.
What's the goal of your post? seriously, are you feared that you could be the next? Why does it bother you, if Kurumi pressures ppl that don't deliver an explanation for their votes?
On June 10 2011 05:40 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:29 Drazerk wrote:On June 10 2011 05:23 Kurumi wrote:On June 10 2011 05:21 blackone wrote:
I have nothing new to contribute to the accusations against amazingxkcd and I don't see the need for making a post with "hey guys, just so you know, gonna vote amazingxkcd now".
Thanks,I won't even regret shooting Your puny scum face.
Both players have pretty evidence leading to believe they are both scum iGrok may be a higher priority for some but i don't see why you want to jump down this guys throat for picking one of the two Scum
Because we can't allow scum to blend in any bandwagon. It is really easy to bus and take credit for it "I was on the right side of the lynch". Everyone suspicious who jumps on bandwagon needs to get called out and pressured.
exactly. Scum wants to bandwagon quietly, when it's already too late to shift the process.
Just stating what happened, not pressured or feared at all, just sayin something.
Here he feels the need to say something so he doesn't get accusations of not responding. All he did was quote the entire conversation... He also feels the need to point out that he does not feel pressured or in fear at all.
ScummyHis last post is on June 10 2011 @ 13:23 and he has not contributed at all since then. I believe
Grush57 is
scum. He does not handle pressure well and I think at the moment he should be out lynch.
##Vote: grush57
EPT
