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This looks really really cool. | ||
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On May 29 2011 03:45 deconduo wrote:This, coupled with the fact that people are more inclined to pick town sided roles. Also there super secret balance mechanics that are going on in the background  Excellent. Looking forward to this one. | ||
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I also think whoever gets Jackal should call his role Jackal Chan. | ||
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Since this question was overlooked earlier, will we be informed of who picked our role for us? | ||
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On May 30 2011 12:57 tnkted wrote: Ok, Decon didn't end up accepting my zombie-mason-bulletproof-ascetic-cult recruiter role.  it wasn't OP at all, the zombie had to post 'brains' in every post or get modkilled!Yeech. Anyway, I sent in a better one that I don't think he'll deny because its so hilarious and awesome that I wish I had it. tnkted: "I'm a zombie that is immune to night kills and will give you a scum free PM circle." town: "LOLOL ##vote: tnkted" That was a painful game to watch. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:15 Mataza wrote: Wait, how does Traitor even fit my initial description. Town hates traitors and I can´t imagine people getting traitor being unsatisfied, no? It is the exact opposite! Mole? | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:29 sandroba wrote: Alright, I have a sugestion to make. Everyone should state which player they designed the role for. We don't know how much KP mafia actually has, so after today things might get confusing. This way we can implement LAL more effectively. I would also like to sugest that any person who claims before having any IMPORTANT (that lead us to scum) info or are very close to being lynched to be policy lynched. Only time it's ok to claim without meeting the above conditions is when town decides it's time to massroleclaim. Failing to claim at mass roleclaim will also result in a policy lynch. 1. This will not help us clear up confusion 2. Even role claims will not prove alignment. Roles were picked before alignments were known. This game will have to be won on analysis alone. 3. Do not mass roleclaim. 4. Do not fucking mass roleclaim. | ||
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I think LAL should stand. I cannot see any reasonable scenario in which players could benefit town by lying. | ||
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On May 31 2011 07:49 kitaman27 wrote: Voting varp cause he's scum. Where's your evidence? | ||
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On May 31 2011 08:26 Eternalmisfit wrote:Care to explain why you think that the zodiac lists are bad? I also find it interesting that you complain about spam while the entirety of your posting in this thread is fluff. I agree with him on this. If it was just one player who made a list and we all agreed with it, it would be helpful. However, in this case, mafia can just make a list of a few random names and say they contributed. There is no way to tell the difference between townie making a list and mafia making a list. Palmer, I think your thoughts on Varpulis are pretty good, but it could still just be a townie who is playing differently due to a different role or some other factor. If his defense against you is weak and/or more evidence against him comes up I may vote for him, but I want to consider other players as well. | ||
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Varpulis, what do you think of GMarshal? | ||
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2. We do our best to analyze and hope scum slip. 3. Things that will help us find scum and create a pro-town atmosphere. Call out lurkers, ask players questions/thoughts on the game or other players. On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful... This is an example of a fluffy and pointless post. It didn't help us find scum or create positive discussion. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2011 08:23 Palmar wrote: Woah, that bro sure got some explainin' to do. Ya feel me? He's playing like a bitch, and not a man. Let's keep it real VarpuliS, look at these posts from early SNMMI + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 05:19 Varpulis wrote: Alright, just got back! Read through the thread, and from what I can gather, everybody either wants to a) Lynch an inactive player because he might be lurking scum/ because he won't be helpful later on. b) Wait to see how things play out. I think we should pressure lurkers, but put the votes towards suspicious characters once we get the lurkers talking. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 06:27 Varpulis wrote: This is a scummy post. He gets defensive and says two scummy lines, which I bolded. Not sure if it's just defensive posting because Zorkmid called him scum or an actual scumtell, but it's suspicious. I highly doubt that Forumite is scum though, so I might just be overanalysing. Zorkmid's schtick about Forumite being scummy because he' busy over the weekend is bullshit though. Gotta take a note, these are first two posts from that game, this aint the VarpuliS we're seein' here today, hell naw, this bro got something fishy goin' on. He even does an analysis on a mafia, day 1, not afraid of nothin', that bro. I liked that man, he didn't take no shit from anyone + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2011 08:05 Varpulis wrote: ...And as promised, here is my analysis of Shcoleosis' posts. First post is a response to Eternalmisfit's suggestion to pressure lurkers This bolded line is not scummy, it's just stupid. Mafia doesn't kill by talking, they kill by pm'ing GMarshal at night. Mafia needs to avoid drawing attention to itself to prevent themselves from getting lynched. This post in general is pretty worthless, ending with a line that is... strange. This is the first scumtell I can see. She basically says "don't listen to me, i'm new." Townies need to talk and be listened to, not ignored because this is their first game. Only mafia and blues benefit from being ignored, so unless he roleclaims, lets assume scum. Second post comes a little bit later. the post reads: This is a post which blends in. It says practically nothing, but appears to be a contribution. Blending in is not something a townie needs to do. +1 scum level. Finally, we've got lucky number 3: Here, Shcoleosis basically says: "you seem to disagree with me... fine, you're right!" Agreeing with everybody else is something that two kinds of players do: -unhelpful townies -because they're just being sheep -mafia -because they're trying to blend in I don't want either in my town come lategame. Based off of this analysis, I'd like to start putting some pressure on Shcoleosis. Until a better target surfaces or she comes up with some good posts later on, I'll put my vote on her. ## Vote Shcoleosis But now, compare it to the worthlessness that is VarpuliS this game: Silly idea from a silly man, we don't want to tell the mafia what kind of roles we designed, we don't need to give mafia info to work with man... Here he's just backing off cause y'know, this VarpuliS aint got no balls, now he just afraid like a little bitch. Then he goes on and tries to communicate with the dog for a while, that's just silly derailing, I ain't buying that shit. And then man, the worst of all... A goddamn excuse? A real man, a man that aint got nothin' to hide just sticks to his guns and grabs his balls of steel and says, yo, look, I'm smarter than you bro, so just shut up. No, this bro aint no baller, this bro is a damn scum. This is an example of a good post. Not only did it discuss and analyze a player to help provide input from multiple players (which is always a good thing), it started further discussion. | ||
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This leads me to think you might be scum. redFF scum, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and Amber is faking a post restriction to cause confusion. redFF uses his power on Amber so he can say that Amber has confirmed a post restriction via PM, conveniently where nobody else can see it. -redFF's claim is a lie. This one doesn't make sense unless he has a suicide role at night. It's too easy to be pointed out on Day 2 redFF scum, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is doing this to build town cred and figure out what to do about a potentially very powerful blue redFF town, Amber scum -redFF's claim is truthful, and he is trying to figure out what is going on with Amber. It doesn't make sense to claim in the thread, however. -redFF's claim is a lie. Again, no reason to lie. redFF town, Amber town -redFF's claim is truthful and he is doing what is good for town and figuring things out. Still no reason to claim publicly So, to sum up my thoughts: 1. It doesn't make sense for both Amber and red to lie, because their rolepickers will counter-claim tomorrow. 2. It doesn't make sense for red to claim publicy if he is a townie. He just gave scum his role. 3. This thought just struck me - we can't completely trust a counter-claim either. Scum have the potential to lie about that if it would be beneficial to them. | ||
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This doesn't make sense to me either. You seem to have a problem with redFF being killed. You should have no reason not to suspect him as scum, however. | ||
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Does your role state that you must speak like this for the ENTIRE game? | ||
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Then I'm not sure why we should keep a player around who can't analyze or be analyzed. Either you're a town player who has no value to us or a lying scum. | ||
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On May 31 2011 09:37 Cthsazsa wrote: So are you suggesting we should lynch him? As of right now I think that's a horrible idea. For all we know he could have some sort of badass power that makes up for having to speak dog. I'm saying we should definitely consider it. A potential badass power is a huge 'what if'. And Jackal, they could both claim the roles they were actually given, so if no counterclaims come up, that doesn't mean they're town. | ||
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Then can we please not put official votes or other actions in this thread if they're directed at someone who isn't even in the game, it just gets confusing. | ||
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I also believe redFF's roleclaim. I doubt he is town though. I'm noticing a lot of lurkers and inactives though. There are a couple people who haven't checked in yet, and a few who made one or two posts at the beginning of the game and then disappeared. | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:59 Cthsazsa wrote:Can you please elaborate why? Certainly. To begin with is this post: On May 31 2011 06:04 redFF wrote: I don't actually see a point in the game where my role can be useful... A mason role isn't useful to scum or third party. It is extremely useful to town. On May 31 2011 08:40 redFF wrote: Ok, I'm gonna claim. I'm an interrogator. What is that? I can vote somebody to be lynched, and I will be allowed to exchange pm's with the person I voted for the rest of the day. I'm going to vote Amber so I can talk to him and get to the bottom of this whole situation. I don't see anybody else who i feel like pm'ing today to be perfectly honest. My role is not that powerful, I am not a powerful player. Me claiming can only be good for town. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. They also have far better/more experienced people to hit than me. If anyone has a problem with my claim please say so, but i feel like this is the correct decision to make at this stage. This post has some serious issues with me. 1. Dumb roleclaim. It doesn't help us at all - he could have just used his power and then said "k guys I don't think we need to worry about Amber for these reasons ____ without actually having to claim his role. 2. Scum won't hit me(I think) because my role is far less powerful than some of the other roles currently in play. How the hell does he know this? The only way is if he is on a mafia team and they are allowed to share their roles with each other. For all he knows vote-mason could be the best role in the entire game. On May 31 2011 08:45 redFF wrote: I figured out a way i could be useful chaos btw. And then "I know how I can be useful - I'll use my role!" No, really? Brilliant. The rest of his posts have not contained anything overly helpful, and I know from playing on UG with him and observing his games that he is a better player than he is being right now, and that as scum he tends to do stupid things with roleclaims. | ||
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The five I would suggest for this: tnkted - has not been acting entirely pro-town. I definitely want some more input here. Sandroba - I'm still not comfortable with his plan in the beginning. Mataza - Reacted to very light (joking) suspicion at the beginning and was quickly defended (weakly, although lightly) by GMarshal and Palmar Karshe - has posted and clearly read the thread, but has not contributed. Lurker. redFF - reasons already stated What does everyone think of this? | ||
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On May 31 2011 12:06 redFF wrote: Why take off Sandroba, his plan was dumb and he hasn't done anything since then...There are a ton of people lurking just like karshe so that is kind of pointless too. The idea is to take 5 or 6 possible suspects and focus on them so we don't get distracted by the multitude of potential scum. This way we can all coordinate and actually get something done. I looked for lurkers and picked one of them. It happened to be Karshe, but it could have been any of a number of them. | ||
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Karshe actually did read that his name was there though - he directly said On May 31 2011 12:35 Karshe wrote: I'm not lurking, I'm in the middle of getting caught up with everything. My other game (SNMM2) went 35 pages for the entire game, so this has been a bit overwhelming, lol. He then went on to state his thoughts on Mataza, but none of the other players on the list with him (me, tnkted, varpulis, redFF). | ||
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On May 31 2011 10:40 tnkted wrote:#vote coagulation ??? The person I would be most comfortable voting for right now is Tackster, because of his lurking and apparent reluctance to contribute. I'm getting a really bad feeling about him, and it's backed up by his posting. | ||
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While you're at it, why don't you tell me why you have consistently harassed people to start contributing without doing so yourself? Also why you mentioned a few times why zodiac lists and the type were useless without reasoning behind the names when you haven't actually given your own thoughts on anyone at all so far. This is your biggest piece of analysis so far: On May 31 2011 10:58 GMarshal wrote: ##Vote: Torte de Lini for someone who is supposed to be super active the only thing he has done is play the noob card. Step up your game man. Who do you think looks scummiest right now and why? Your posting stance is noncommittal. Your vote commits a lot. What's going on here? The first few questions I asked on varpulis and kita will be a perfect opportunity to start contributing some more btw. Don't forget to answer them. | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote: Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread? Does no one else find that strange? As I said earlier, it must be something to do with his role. There is no other way it would be allowed. He even said that it would give him the opportunity to play in a new way. | ||
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Now, what do you think of kitaman27 and varpulis? Tail for town, growl for scum. Bark at the one you think is scummier. | ||
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On May 31 2011 22:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:You will notice people jumped on the harass karshe wagon as well when I was pressuring him. Simple things to look for and two sets of eyes are better than 1, we shall find the mafia sheeping sure enough. That would be me because I wasn't satisfied with my read on him. I wanted to see what his response to pressure was like. | ||
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I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players. Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching. As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful. kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal? | ||
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On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? 1. Most likely Tackster 2. Meapak 3. 4. redFF, tnkted, Tackster, and you. Other players I am not sure of and think may be scum are deskscaress and Palmar. Their posts could work either as town or as scum. | ||
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On June 01 2011 10:28 Varpulis wrote: @chaos does saying "i'm voting for xxx" count, or are you asking for ##vote xxx? I would prefer the proper bolded format. It makes it much easier to see. As for Rean, I think the very thing that kita sees as a scumtell is a towntell for me. The fact that he said he has contributed when he really hasn't seems more like something a town would do than mafia. I know that as a townie I tend to overestimate my contributions. As scum I am far more careful about what and how much I post, and am therefore far more aware of how much I have actually contributed. | ||
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Your argument for Tackster being town is not very strong. Node's for him being scum is actually quite strong. I also think that sandroba will flip green, and an information lynch is never preferential to a scum lynch. Therefore, I think we should be putting pressure on Tackster instead of Sandroba. You are one of the few players I have a town read on. I think if you were on a mafia team your scumbuddies would be helping out your posting a bit more, rather than letting you bring attention to yourself with arguments like this one. | ||
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On June 01 2011 11:04 Jackal58 wrote:Lol. You really shouldn't paraphrase me in a game I'm in. ??? | ||
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I did so and I am far less sure that he is scum. There actually is a fair bit of personal opinion there, he just didn't say so directly. After re-reading Tackster's post, I went back and looked at tnkted's. I am quite uncertain of him. He has posts that could be called both pro-town and anti-town, and I can't decide which are more prevalent. I would really appreciate if a few others could do this (and again think "if he is __ alignment why would he post this?) and tell me your thoughts on him. | ||
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Why have you voted for Sandroba, and why did you not also post it in this thread? Karshe, you're lurking again. Still "catching up"? | ||
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1. Amber has not confirmed that redFF's Zodiac list is accurate, or even exists at all. I would conclude that the two of them are scum, but if they were, Amber would have been in here to confirm it by now. He needs to say something ASAP. 2. Go look at the voting thread. We have 14 different candidates. FOURTEEN. How many scum are there? Most likely around 6 or 7. 3. VisceraEyes. This is one of the biggest bandwagons I've seen in a while. He posted a quick survey intended to generate discussion. It did so. Nothing scummy about that in itself. 4. BloodyC0bbler's suspect list. From a player who I've heard to be as experienced as you, that was a terrible, terrible post. Most of the players on there are just inexperienced. Bad analysis =/= scum. Think if you were on a mafia team and had a new player or two who was ready to go post their excellent analysis on an unsuspecting townie. Would you let them do it and draw attention to themselves? I know I wouldn't. Noobtells are not scumtells. 5. Lurkers. Mig, Karshe, Tackster, Kenpachi, hiro protagonist, Palmar, Torte de Lini, Barundar, and probably a few others I've missed. These are all people who have either contributed one or two posts every now and then, but nothing of substance, or people who posted near the beginning of the game and then disappeared. 6. tnkted's vote. He has already mentioned that it was on Coagulation because Coag isn't in the game. He has also said that it has something to do with his role. I'll say it again, cause we can't seem to get our heads around it, but role =/= alignment. If that is the only reason you're voting for him, I suggest you change it. 7. Someone earlier mentioned that Jackal58 was looking a little scummy. I agree, but he is also extremely hard to analyze. Even as town he is cryptic and aggressive, so there is no way to tell right now. I think the chance that he is town is greater than the chance he is scum right now. 8. I think we should definitely keep the idea of the Zodiac list in play, and put lots of pressure on the players who are on it. Here is my personal Zodiac list bumatlarge BloodyC0bbler GMarshal Meapak_Ziphh DropBear Node Jackal58 kitaman27 Rean Mr. Wiggles tnkted I feel that these players should have more pressure put on them to contribute meaningfully and regularly. So far, very few of them have been doing so. The chance that at least 1 or 2 of them are scum is high. I am going to have to cast my vote within the next hour or so. Right now I have it down to a few candidates, but I don't think it will do any good today, seeing as everyone else has voted for a noob townie or some other random player. I don't feel that the two leaders, Tackster and Sandroba, are scummy. | ||
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On May 31 2011 05:25 GMarshal wrote: Mataza has the ability to stick his foot in his mouth with ease, as he proved in SNMMIII, he also has a penchant for fake claiming roles, e.g. he considered claiming cop day 1 in SNMMIII, I'm just ignoring his statements about his role for now. Also lets try to avoid a claim this early in the game, yes? There was minimal pressure on Mataza, and there really wasn't any chance of him actually being chosen as the lynch for today based just on what was going on at the beginning of the thread. If GMarshal flips red, we can rest assured that Mataza is red as well. I see no reason for a townie to so quickly move to defending someone they should be suspicious of. Just because he played strangely in one game doesn't mean he will in another. So far Mataza's posting seems fairly solid to me. On May 31 2011 06:01 GMarshal wrote: So, kind of what happened to tnkted when he claimed bulletproof in Sleeper Cell. I like LAL, but we do *not* policy lynch as policy lynches keep us from gaining valuable information. We policy vigi shot. So if someone lies we just ignore them and let someone toss a kp at them at night. I don't really see where a townie would be coming from with this. A mafia member would definitely want information/policy vigi shots rather than successful scum hits. What is even better about this post from a mafia perspective is that if they are called out on it, they can pass it off as a bad townie plan. However, many people have stated that GMarshal is a good player, and I do not think he would make a plan like this without understanding exactly how it works. On June 01 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote: Kurumi, if you keep spamming useless shit I'll make sure you eat a nice bullet later. @People focusing on redFF's claim. Ignore the claim itself and focus on the reasoning behind it, remember if he is telling the truth about his role or lying is irrelevant. Oh, since it seems like I'm not going to get much from torte ##Unvote ##Vote: Barundar Barundar has all of one post. This is not an acceptable level of contribution. @Kenpachi, you said that its too early to be pressuring inactives/lurkers. Its never to early to kill lurkers. If you dont deal with them early you have to deal with them later. I really don't know what to think of this post. I know Kurumi has been contributing well now, and that at the time of this post he was discussing the pros/cons of roleclaims and potential scenarios in which it could be useful. GMarshal also claims here (I think?). The middle of this post seems rather average, and the last bit is questionable again. Remember that lurkers can just as easily be town as scum. What we really want to be doing is sifting through the active players looking for scum. With lurkers, there is no way to differentiate between lurking town and lurking scum. The active players have given us more than enough to go on though. All in all, this is an extremely weak post for a townie, and a passable one for a mafia. On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote: We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out. Instead answer these questions. 1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight 2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow 3.) what is your favorite colour 4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest? At first I saw nothing wrong with this post, and even answered it myself. Then someone explained how it is scummy. It goes something like this 1. Mafia will avoid wasting a shot on that player if they are town. If they are mafia they will kill the player who said it. 2. Mafia will be inclined to kill this player. 3. Wat? Doesn't make any sense for a townie to ask this unless it is part of their role, which I really really doubt. 4. This one is the most pro-town question, but can also work for mafia. If Town: -Gives more input -Creates mores discussion and analysis If Mafia: -Gives mafia team an idea on who they can push for a lynch -Gives mafia team an idea if any of their players are standing out The rest of his posts have been relatively useless. They created some minor discussion without actually forcing GM to contribute. As for votes, he has gone from Torte de Lini to Barundar, both times stating it is a pressure vote, but neither time trying to get other people to help him pressure vote. Why is this scummy? Look at the majority of players. They are trying to catch scum and vote for the players they think are scummy. What GM is doing is getting in his vote without resulting in suspicion cast on him when he tries to push for a townie lynch and they flip green. If someone calls him out on it he can say "But I was pressuring lurkers!". It is a tactic I used often as scum in a game on UG. In conclusion, GM has had a few pro-mafia points in his posts, and the rest are a way of contributing without contributing. His votes are not useful to town, but he is able to pass them off as in town's best interests if questioned. I feel he is a player that has managed to fly just under the radar for the whole game, and that we really need to put some pressure on him. As I have mentioned before, read every one of his posts considering why he would say what he has if he was mafia and if he was town. ##Vote GMarshal | ||
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On June 02 2011 00:06 Barundar wrote: Urgh Kurumi your posts are so hard to read. You went almost unnoticed in PYPI until you blew yourself up because of it. If tnkted hadn't pointed it out, I would have completely missed that last line. Chaos13: While I agree GM is scummy, I question whether we really need another lynch target. The guy is pressuring me and all, but it wasn't unjustified pressure. It's pretty standard for him to play the inactives worst nightmare day 1. Also I disagree with you on viscara eyes, I don't think the questions was to promote discussion, I think it was so he could answer it himself and claim veteran. Why on earth would he do that as town? The whole point of having an extra life is to get scum to shoot you. I'm going to vote him to see how he react to pressure. I don't like creating another option for people either, but I'm just not comfortable enough voting for any of the already established candidates. If he really was inactives worst nightmare he would be pushing for pressure votes a lot harder. As it is he has just said "K, I voted this person for pressure" and hasn't tried to get anyone else to vote them. With Viscera, I see no reason why a scum would claim vet without being pressured. I can see a few reasons why a townie would though. If you're smart you'll figure them out as well. I am quite certain that lynching Tackster, Sandroba, or VisceraEyes will result in a town flip. | ||
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Jackal58, why did you vote Sandroba? We're still arguing about Viscera, Sandroba, and Tackster, as well as tnkted now. The more I read tnkted's posting, the less I think he is scum, and I have already made my thoughts on the other three clear. I would encourage everyone to move to GMarshal. A few of you have already said you feel he is scummy as well. Act on it. He is our best candidate for a lynch today. | ||
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On June 02 2011 04:31 Palmar wrote: yo chaos you're scum bro. On June 02 2011 04:35 Jackal58 wrote:Because I believe he is scum. If you'd rather I could switch my vote to you. I think you're scum too. That's some quality analysis right there you two. Jackal, you have nothing to gain by not posting the reasons you think Sandroba is scum. Same with the reasons you think I am scum. Likewise for you, Palmar. On June 02 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote: Chaos13,let prlphz defense himself OK? I wasn't defending him. I was saying you two need to stop spamming up the thread with your back-and-forth bickering. | ||
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Oh well, we can't blame Vis for taking out the player he felt was scummiest. Decon can you please do an official final vote count? | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:10 Kurumi wrote: Are You advocating his decision? Are You crazy? No I'm not. I don't want people raging on him because he made a decision that he felt would kill a scum though. When you get people's emotions rising in a game it generally takes the fun out of it. | ||
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At the very least my death will be better than a different townies. One of you out there knows why. You'll still be killing a townie though. | ||
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On June 02 2011 06:53 Mataza wrote: And killing chaos13 should be a nobrainer. Palmar declared himself some sort of fistpound-driven alignment checker. If you flip town, Palmar is marked for death. Even if he is a DT-type role, I haven't fistpounded him. He has posted nothing to incriminate me so far. bumatlarge, do you have to kill someone every night? If so, I would suggest either Mataza or GMarshal, but I'll be re-reading a lot of posts during this night phase, and that may change yet. | ||
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On June 02 2011 07:13 bumatlarge wrote:Im not a compulsive Vig, I can kill someone, I don't have to. Treat it like a double lynch, dont feel forced to shoot anyone. In that case I agree with EM. We should consider not killing anyone tonight unless we get a really strong scum read, as most of the Day's analysis was rather weak. Mataza might fit that category. | ||
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On June 02 2011 07:20 redFF wrote: I've explained how and why mataza is scum, shoot him please :D If we are to shoot anyone tonight, Mataza would be the one player I am most comfortable with. | ||
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On June 02 2011 08:57 sinani206 wrote: Kill me please. Something good for the town will happen. What happens? | ||
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I like your idea though. Depends on what Decon says about this. Scenario 1 1. bumatlarge shoots sinani206 tonight. If he does not, we lynch him. 2. sinani206 can choose someone to revive. He picks BC. 3. BC's role now allows us to protect the first player shot at every night, effectively voiding 1 kill per night. Scenario 2 1. bumatlarge shoots sinani206 tonight. If he does not, we lynch him. 2. Something other than reviving happens when sinani dies. 3. ??? Now, in Scenario 1, we have to remember that his role voids the first kill every night. This could be either a successful vigi hit on a mafia, or a mafia/SK hit on a townie. This doesn't seem like an overly powerful tool, and we can be quite certain that BC will be killed by mafia the consecutive night. Right now, however, mafia will not want to kill sinani, since it will bring back another player. I don't think anyone should shoot sinani206 tonight. | ||
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On June 02 2011 10:11 redFF wrote: If we bring him back he will be a confirmed townie and nightkilled immediately no? Well, if there are other protection roles, BC would be their target. But this is all counting on whether or not some people were smart enough to assign medic-type roles. Normally I would say to immediately bring BC back, because he has a protective role. But if the person bringing him back is the player who is tied to him...it just doesn't work as well. | ||
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On June 02 2011 11:33 redFF wrote:Sinani why did you bloody claim -_- I am going to repeat this, because there have been several who have claimed, including you and Kurumi. Granted, Kurumi's was a softclaim, but he confirmed it moments later. DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY. DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY. IT DOES NOT HELP US. IT HELPS MAFIA. DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS IT IS NECESSARY. I feel that required caps lock. | ||
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On June 02 2011 12:28 bumatlarge wrote: Well, if scum has responses to this, you are in a heep of do-do. They could shoot you the next night after lynching scum, and that would be an obnoxious flip of a really strong town power. But that depends on whether or not sinani's power revives the last person killed, or a person of his choice. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 02 2011 18:30 Palmar wrote: 3. Why Chaos13 is scum Here's the thing, I started thinking chaos13 was a cool bro, worthy of keeping around because he made sound calls like this: But let's look at some more stuff by him. I like people who call bullshit, but people who abuse lurkers and newbies to call bullshit on everything to gain town credit are useless. Just read through his damn post history... it's a disaster. First thing I noticed: Why do you care... the bro's got like 2 votes on him. Instead of complaining how about contributing your own analysis. All your posts up until this point aint got nothing in them except directions on how to play, not actually playing. So you want me to stop fostering discussion and trying to get people to actually contribute their thoughts to the game? When someone states that they're voting for a player without giving a reason, it's not a very pro-town move. I want to make sure that everyone explains their thoughts clearly in the thread so the rest of town can evaluate them and provide their own input. I don't see how this is scummy. More defenses. If you think he's town, you ignore me, and provide a better alternative. Don't just tell me I'm wrong and vaguely, and very damn carefully claim you're kinda suspicious-y. Stop being useless, man up and give me something to work with if you don't want me to lynch Varpulis I said earlier, I'm doing all my thinking in the thread, because it always leads me to more accurate conclusions. I'm still not sold either way on Varpulis. Deal with it. Good post bro. It was. I asked a player whose alignment I was unsure of a direct question in order to get him to contribute his thoughts on a player I was suspicious of. yay, you get logic. hi5 bro. Everyone knew this, stop posting fluff. You would be surprised how easy it is to overlook one of these scenarios. I write them down and post them because then if my ideas are stupid, people can tell me they're stupid and I move on. Sharing my thoughts and opinion is not scummy. nice contradiction bro. This is still less scummy than most things you've done in the thread. Opinions change. People told me my ideas on Amber were stupid, so I moved on. It took me some time to realize how he could be useful to us. At the time of the first post Amber was the point of discussion for a few pages, and nothing useful was happening. At the time of the second, we had organized a bit and my question was more helpful. Questions, useless one liners and pointing out the obvious is almost the entire thing chaos13 has done this game. Coag is not even in the game. You expect me to let that go by without questioning it?? Here's the best analysis in the game by jackal: Nice job calling out GM, at least he's not spamming the thread like you are. thing is, you haven't contributed for shit either. You're fluff-posting, that's damn sure, but nothing you say is of any real value to this game in particular. You must be right. It's not as if several players have already stated that they feel I am pro-town and have been actively trying to contribute. I have been doing my best to keep discussion on track and productive, I have shared my thoughts on players, if I felt a player was scummy, I posted an explanation of why. Nothing about that is fluff or spam. Stop asking questions and being useless. Seriously, I aint gonna go through more of his shit and quote it here. Do it yourselves. This guy hasn't contributed shit to the game, he's posting oneliners, fluff, advice on how to play, going after lurkers and stating obvious shit. Nah, I've contributed, my oneliners have been brief and far between, as well as far less frequent than some other players. Advice on how to play is good for some of the new players, lurkers are a good group to go after (and I think I've only been after Karshe and Tackster as it is, I've focused more on actives) and anything obvious is my own thoughts as I sort things out. I have a tendency to take a while to get to a good conclusion, and I need others input on my ideas or they end up being detrimental to what I actually want to happen. This guy is a scum trying to be pro town. Can we please just agree on it? I don't mind, shoot him or check him, but this bro aint no good guy. | ||
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Pros: -When I flip, town has the thoughts of a confirmed town player Cons: -Potential for WIFOM arguments as to why I died -Could alter mafia targets for the worse If nobody says anything within the next hour, I will post them. If enough people tell me not to, I will not post them. I really don't want all these to go to waste, and I think there is a good chance that I will be killed tonight. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Player Notes] + *These are my personal thoughts so far. If you don't agree with them, deal with it. I'm not always right.* Kurumi -Usual erratic posting style, tough to analyze. Has actually been contributing in a meaningful way. Most likely town Karshe -Overwhelmed by size of game. Appears when called for lurking. Has since disappeared. Uncertain Mr. Wiggles -Uncertain deskscaress -Doesn't feel his role will be particularly useful. Strong personality. Could be either scum or town GMarshal -Defended Mataza when there was no real pressure on him. Contributing without contributing. When I point out his scumminess and vote him, he comes in with an excuse for being inactive over the next few weeks. Suspicious. Palmar -Disagrees with role claim, supports analysis. Strange fistpound thing with several players. Advocates shooting useless townies for information. Claims I am scum because I am giving off "maf vibes", but doesn't bother to provide any real evidence or analysis. Got around to posting actual analysis. It was rather weak, and mostly blamed me for posting fluff and spamming. Suggests a vigi shot on Mataza and Varpulis, as well as a DT check on Jackal58, three other players on my suspect list. This doesn't make sense if they are all scum. Possible third party. He doesn't quite fit town or scum. Suspicious. Fistpound List Returned offer by Palmar GMarshal Node tnkted Kurumi sandroba Offered it to Palmar without being asked VisceraEyes Mataza Ignored invitation from Palmar Amber[Light] redFF Meapak_Zipph Eternalmisfit DropBear Eternalmisfit -Inexperienced player. Attempting analysis, sometimes weak. Has good ideas when he's around, keeps discussion focused and on track. Most likely town. sandroba -Proposed claiming who we created roles for. Reacted strongly to pressure, but after initial scumminess has not done anything strange. Plan would probably not have been put forward by mafia, as it draws too much attention. Overall not giving me a scummy feel. Too few of his posts are suspicious Most likely town kitaman27 -Mildly aggressive. Contributing more than in XXXIX, where he was scum. Not as accusatory as in XXXIX. Most likely town. Kenpachi -Uncertain Tackster -Minimalist contributor. Reiterated what other players had already said. Lurked, made one large post. Claimed he had a migraine and is getting sick as excuses for not posting. Post was fluff at first glance, but on closer examination revealed some helpful comments and opinions. Upon re-reading his posts, he has actually added some good input. Role claimed Most likely town. Varpulis -Agrees with a variation of sandroba's idea. Has been targeted by many players who feel he is scummy. When multiple players are jumping on one it often leads to scum. Uncertain-possible scum tnkted -Strange style of play. Unique role allows (requires?) him to vote for players outside the game. Posting has improved in quality. Some question about it still. Uncertain hiro protagonist -New player, not being obvious. Uncertain redFF -Claims role will not be useful. Mason-type role. Lying scum or dumb townie. Not up to usual standards. Posting has drastically improved in quality. Good contributions. Most likely town. sinani206 -Called for hit on him, saying that something good for town would happen. Town Node -Good posts. Has defended me. Has been pro-town, but in a way that feels somewhat cautious to me. Very soft defense of GM when I asked for his thoughts. Defended me when Palmar called for a vigi hit without analysis. The way he is playing I am uncertain. His posting is pro-town, but it feels far too thought-out to be a townies. Will be keeping an eye on him. Uncertain. bumatlarge -Encouraging discussion and analysis. Claims SK type role as Joker. Either third party or scum. Mataza -Claims role will not be useful. Defended by GMarshal and Palmar after little pressure. Posting does not feel pro-town. Suspicious Mig -Lurker. Uncertain VisceraEyes -New player. Radical accusations and ideas. Scum team would control his posting more. Most likely town. Amber[LighT] -Ridiculous role restriction. Possibly fake. No way to analyze. Quoted several posts with symbols for his opinion of them. Is unsure of me, sees posts that could lead me to either scum or town, thinks Jackal is town, really thinks Sandroba is scum. Voted Sandroba. For such an inconvenient post restriction he is really trying to contribute. Most likely town. BloodyC0bbler -Very aggressive player. Stated by many to be pro-town. Experienced player. Possible scum Torte de Lini -New player. Lurker. Has a history of being extremely active that is not displayed. Possible option for new scum player Uncertain Cthsazsa -Uncertain Barundar -Lurker. Experienced player Uncertain Meapak_Ziphh -Aggressive player, encourages discussion. Genuine deliberation over me, came to the conclusion that I'm town. Has consistently been pro-town. Most likely town. DropBear -Uncertain prplhz -New player, seems inexperienced. Would have great difficulty pulling off scum. Most likely town stefftastiq -New player. Attempting analysis. Most likely town Rean -Few posts. Feels has been contributing when he has put little forward. I often do the same as town, I am more likely to pay attention to how much I am contributing as scum. Most likely town. Jackal58 -Usual aggressive play. Tunneling on me, but Jackal always tunnels. Posting feels scummy. Hasn't really contributed. Voted Sandroba without providing reasons. Suspicious + Show Spoiler [Alignment Lists] + TOWN -Meapak_Ziphh -prplhz -Rean -Amber[LighT] -Tackster -redFF -Sandroba -sinani206 -EternalMisfit -Kurumi SUSPICIOUS -GMarshal -Mataza -Jackal58 -Palmar -Varpulis *This list is not 100% correct, or mafia is making some crazy plays here. Mataza, Jackal, and Palmar can not be on a scum team together, there has been too much conflict/calling for vigi/DT's by Palmar. 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I'm voting Mr. Wiggles because any argument for him is stupid. He has been role/mod confirmed as scum. ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles On June 03 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote: also, about the random shooting. chaos13 really shot down any arguments against varpulis and I couldn't get any bandwagon going on the guy, so I decided to check what he'd flip, cause this gives me ton of info. And now you'll stop tunneling on me. Thanks. redFF, I'm waiting on decon to reply to my PM with a question about my role, and if it works out I would suggest you mason me today. If we have another mason role that can invite more than one person at a time, I would also suggest you choose me. However, I will announce when decon PM's me back. Do not add me before then, or I will not be nearly as useful. Kurumi and bumatlarge are anti-town. One of them is scum, and I think it is bumatlarge. It's incredibly easy to claim roleblock as an excuse. If we had a watcher/tracker on him last night, figure out what you can do to reveal your info without actually giving away your role. What Kurumi said about being roleblocked, that it blocked his role but not his SK powers, makes me even more suspicious of bumatlarge. To add to that, bum is claiming that he has kills as the Joker as well as kills as the SK. If whoever made Amber[LighT]'s role could please come forward and claim it, that would be extremely helpful to know. There is also one player I was expecting to come forward with some information that would be extremely useful, and he has posted since the Day began but has not mentioned it. This is rather curious, and it means it either wouldn't be worth posting and bringing attention to himself, or he is scum. I think that's about all I have to say for the moment. | ||
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On June 03 2011 09:21 redFF wrote: Well i'm waiting on Chaos to tell me what will happen if i pm him. But otherwise I'm thinking of using my role on you cuz I think you're town and since your in a pm circle we could compare reads etc... Nothing will happen, but I have some info that might be useful. Still no word from decon though. If you want to use it on someone else, don't wait for me. I'll still find a way to use what I know. | ||
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On June 03 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote: also, about the random shooting. chaos13 really shot down any arguments against varpulis and I couldn't get any bandwagon going on the guy, so I decided to check what he'd flip, cause this gives me ton of info. On June 03 2011 17:13 Palmar wrote:Haha, not a damn chance bro. I will not rest till you get lynched. Really? You checked what I flip on death, and you still want me lynched? I want to bring everyone's attention to this. I am going to flip green on death, because I am a townie, and death flips don't lie. Either decon messed up or you are lying about what I flip on death, and you either didn't actually check me or you did and are lying about the results. I don't think decon messed up. If we have a day vig, consider shooting me now. My flip will reveal Palmar to be scum, and I think my role will be worth a trade for a brofisthdeathray-fistpoundingmafia. I would suggest the vig shoot Palmar, but at this point nobody is going to believe me until I flip. You guys are letting mafia run this game. We have some people actually listening to Mr. Wiggles when he says he is "nowhere near mod confirmed", we have Palmar playing you guys with his fistpounds and tunneling on me, and the rest doing who knows what, either playing along with the above to or sitting back and lurking their way through the game. We still haven't had anyone confirm Amber's role, so there is absolutely NO way to read him. That is a dangerous game. He needs a DT check tonight. | ||
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Kurumi is a third party trying to help out town, he will direct his shots where town want them. bumatlarge is a lying scumface. For balance purposes, I don't think decon would throw in two SK's, either. There would be far too many KP floating around with all the killing roles it appears we handed out. | ||
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On June 03 2011 07:29 Palmar wrote: also, about the random shooting. chaos13 really shot down any arguments against varpulis and I couldn't get any bandwagon going on the guy, so I decided to check what he'd flip, cause this gives me ton of info. I don't dig bro. What about this? | ||
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On June 03 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote: I decided to check what Varpulis would flip. I don't have any investigative powers. I investigate with ma guns. Ah. The way that was worded I understood it to mean you checked what I would flip. | ||
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On June 04 2011 00:12 Torte de Lini wrote: Palmar: I'm so confused, so much to read @________@! Palmar, can you kill people? If so: your penetrating hit can probably kill serial killers right? Can you confirm this for me, because then you can kill Bum or Kurumi. Save us a day of lynching them, right. In fact is Palmar here? I am having trouble finding your posts dude. I mean I guess it's pretty obvious that Wiggles is scum... so I know who I am voting for. But what do we do about Oh and I wrote for Sandroba if that helps you guys, but everyone knows his role already D: I need to find that list that was made awhile back. Chaos13: No, not really, what did he do? I'm a little suspicious of him for reasons I wrote up earlier (lurking, didn't seem like he was contributing, etc.) and I wanted to get your opinion on him. Thanks for the answer As for your post, "what do we do about ____"? Looks like it got cut off there. And I'm not sure what list you are talking about. If it is the zodiac list BC made, here it is, with a few more names added by me. ZODIAC LIST bumatlarge GMarshal Meapak_Ziphh DropBear Jackal58 kitaman27 Rean Mr. Wiggles tnkted | ||
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Palmar said he wanted to "check what he would flip", meaning he shot Varpulis. I misinterpreted this to mean that he used a role power to check what I would flip on death. Since I'll flip green on death, I took this to mean that Palmar was scum, because only scum/SK would want to kill a green. I then called for a day vig to hit me so that Palmar's lie would be revealed. However, I am now clear on what he meant, and retract my previous statements about vig hits and Palmar being scum. I'm clearer on GMarshal today after re-examining things. I think it is unlikely you are scum. redFF voted me so we can PM each other for today. | ||
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On June 04 2011 11:08 Barundar wrote: Lastly I can't keep track of the PM circles. Is it correct that we have 1. Jackal + Bum 2. GM + Kurumi 3. redFF + Amber? Today it is redFF and myself. red's PM circles only last for a day. | ||
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Who are you shooting tonight Palmar? Kurumi, bumatlarge, Torte de Lini, or someone else? | ||
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On UG Rean played a game in which he was the godfather and he lurked his way through the entire game without being questioned once. He even started up a casino minigame within the game without having suspicion cast on him. He has the exact same sort of posting style this game. | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:24 kitaman27 wrote: Tough luck Wiggles. Sorries. Whoever created deskscaress's role should claim as it is likely that mafia was not aware of his ability when they shot him. DO NOT CLAIM THIS UNTIL DAY 3. If you claim it now, mafia have a near-confirmed townie to shoot. | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:32 Mig wrote: Red's evidence against tdl is very damning. I would even prefer to have bum shoot tdl over kurumi and just let palmar double shot him. Since if kurumi is telling the truth about his roleclaim having 3 shots won't even kill him. Also honestly I have been very suspicious of GM, usually he seems a lot more helpful as town but if we kill tdl and he flips red we can confirm GM as town. #Fistpound: Palmar Seeing as I think bum is scum, we should not have him shoot Torte, as there is a very good chance he will ignore us and then we have another scum alive for another day. Palmar, do you have any problems with shooting Torte? | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:37 Palmar wrote: I thought I was shooting kurumi? I don't know, it's tough to keep track of how many kill roles we have and where they are shooting. Somebody should shoot torte de lini tonight though. Whatever circle we have seems to be doing a good job of organizing that stuff, so I'll just throw my opinion in and let you guys figure out who is shooting who tonight. | ||
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On June 05 2011 05:52 Palmar wrote: Oh, as we're in the night now. Do NOT medic protect me. I claimed a vigi and most people think I'm pretty green at the moment, so I'm a prime target. I will leave a post with my thoughts before daybreak, and that will be enough. It is highly likely mafia has some sort of mass-killing role like a suicide bomber or something in that direction, so I don't want any medics dying on my behalf. I have already gotten enough information and played my part for the town, just leave me be. I don't think it is likely at all. I know when I created my role, I made it so that if a mafia player got it, it was pretty much useless. We also haven't had anyone come forward and claim creating a possibly anti-town role. | ||
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As for the rest, I have no clue. It's time for a more experienced player to take this over. I have no idea what sort of thing mafia will tend to do in this situation, or what Mr. Wiggles is likely to do. On June 04 2011 04:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Here's the first part of my reads: # Torte de Lini: Scum + Show Spoiler + He has contributed literally nothing to the town. Most of his posts have been asking questions, and playing the noob card. I see this as an attempt at thread derailment, as well as trying to find an excuse to lurk without needing to give his thoughts. He was also fingered as mafia, several times in the thread, most notably by deskcaress, at the end of the night. On June 03 2011 03:18 deskscaress wrote: quoting this because if deconduo answered it, i missed it, and i honestly think this is a better course of action then bringing back BC if that means we need to keep a CONFIRMED NON-TOWN alive also, as an update on Torte De Lini who claimed last night that he couldn't post any more (i hypothesized that this was likely a soft-claim on a posting restriction, kurumi adamantly stated it was just IRL obligations), he has posted 13 times on TL.net since then, with 0 in this thread. DING DING DING SCUMBELL IS RINGING, I WANT AN EXPLANATION This, combined with the fact that my shot on sinani was redirected to deskscaress, lead me to conclude, that Torte de Lini, is most likely scum. # Kurumi: Serial Killer + Show Spoiler + He claimed it, so I see no reason for him to be lying. It was a bad claim, and I don't see why he did it, but I’m inclined to believe him. Call out his hits for him, and if he doesn’t follow through, you lynch him dead. If he refuses or shows any resistance to following town directives, kill him. Besides that, he’s useless due to his alignment. # Amber[LighT]: Town + Show Spoiler + He’s a dog. He’s also a dog who looks like he’s trying to help town. It’s hard to actually get a read on him when his communication is so restricted, but I get the feeling he’s town. Check him with a detective to be sure. # Jackal58 : Town + Show Spoiler + His big post during the night is probably the single best thing that’s been posted this entire game. He’s trying to get the town back on track, and knock some sense into the 90% of town that made day 1 useless. He’s green. # DropBear: Town + Show Spoiler + He’s been one of the only people I’ve seen who’s actually been contributing in a meaningful way. He’s not afraid to speak his mind, and from what I’ve seen, has actually done a bit of analysis, and not much name calling. # Barundar: No Read + Show Spoiler + He has like 4 posts, seriously. Get more active. # sinani206: Town + Show Spoiler + I personally believe his claim that he’ll bring back BC. Also, his posting smells of unsure green to me. If he were scum, he’d have a lot more direction and focus. This leads me to believe he’s green. # Mataza: Town + Show Spoiler + Maybe I’m biased here, but he feels like one of the only people who’s using his head and actually realizes there’s (since you guys love throwing this word around) confirmed anti-town, one of whom is scum, just traipsing around. He’s actually using his head, and not jumping on a bandwagon. Actually looks the greenest to me right now. # redFF: Scum + Show Spoiler + From his nonsensical claim Day 1, to pushing bad lynches, tunneling, and worthlessly arguing, redFF has done more harm than good to town, from what I can see. Now, on Day 2, he is one of the staunchest proponents for my lynch, and I’ll bet you right now, that he’s doing it to look pro-town, and will bring it up that way later in the game that he fought so hard for a DT check, even if it was wrong. There’s also another point to be made. He constantly calls out for town to analyze, yet does no work himself. You judge people by their actions, not by their intents, and redFF has only taken actions which harm the town, leading me to label him as scum. If he’s town, he might as well stop posting, because he’s not doing anything to help. # bumatlarge: Scum + Show Spoiler + He’s scum. no ifs, ands, or buts. | ||
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1. Deny you visited GM 2. Deny you can roleblock people when GM has claimed roleblock last night. I believe him. 3. State that you will bandwagon. 4. Bring up the very reason for my suspicion of you. You blocked someone you say you have zero suspicions on. A townie would have blocked someone they were suspicious of. You say your ability is a passive one. Either tomorrow (if you're still alive) can you please explain what you mean by this, or if the person who created your role could please explain what is meant, that could potentially clear up some confusion. | ||
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And how do we know that it was Torte de Lini who blocked GM, and not someone else who visited him? I think it would clear up a lot of confusion if you stated these things directly, just don't reveal who acquired that information, as it would make them a target for tonight. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
Palmar, I sincerely hope you never ever ever get a vigilante type role again. Ever. | ||
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