Pick Their Power Mafia - Page 3

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 13:45 GMT

#681

On May 31 2011 22:40 GMarshal wrote:
Hey, has anyone noticed that tnkted's vote on coag is actually counted in the vote thread?

Does no one else find that strange?

As I said earlier, it must be something to do with his role. There is no other way it would be allowed. He even said that it would give him the opportunity to play in a new way.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 13:48 GMT

#688

Good to see you're still with us Amber.

Now, what do you think of kitaman27 and varpulis?

Tail for town, growl for scum.

Bark at the one you think is scummier.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 13:49 GMT

#690

0_o

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 13:53 GMT

#693

On May 31 2011 22:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:You will notice people jumped on the harass karshe wagon as well when I was pressuring him. Simple things to look for and two sets of eyes are better than 1, we shall find the mafia sheeping sure enough.

That would be me because I wasn't satisfied with my read on him. I wanted to see what his response to pressure was like.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 13:55 GMT

#698

I don't see any reason why he should be pressured to role claim. If he has a good role, all it does is give scum more incentive to kill him.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

May 31 2011 14:56 GMT

#706

I have to admit, for such an inconvenient post restriction, Amber is really trying to contribute. He most likely isn't faking it (dumb move for scum or town, extremely implausible), and if he was scum, it would be very easy to use that to his advantage as an excuse to avoid giving his opinion on players. He has gained some serious town cred with me for his latest post. Sorry for considering lynching you earlier.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 01:17 GMT

#877

I think Tackster is definitely a good candidate for a lynch. He lurks, posts some brief thoughts that don't really give away much information, and then provides another excuse for leaving again.
I'm also still unsure of redFF and tnkted, but they are not the scummiest players.
Someone I really have my eye on is GMarshal. I don't feel that his contributions have been as good as they could be, and his response to my earlier accusation of him was rather weak. Overall I'm just getting a bad feel from him. This isn't enough to lynch him, but I'll be watching.

As for what is going on right now - Sandroba and Jackal and everyone else in on this argument needs to stop. Neither of you are actually analyzing, you're just going back and forth with "you suck", "No you suck", "shut up scum", "you shut up". It's not providing anything helpful.

kitaman27 and Node, what do you think of GMarshal?

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 01:20 GMT

#879

On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:

Instead answer these questions.
1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight
2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow
3.) what is your favorite colour
4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?

1. Most likely Tackster
2. Meapak
3.
4. redFF, tnkted, Tackster, and you. Other players I am not sure of and think may be scum are deskscaress and Palmar. Their posts could work either as town or as scum.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 01:21 GMT

#881

I would like to remind everyone to put their votes in this thread as well as the voting thread. It will make things much easier to keep track of.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 01:36 GMT

#889

On June 01 2011 10:28 Varpulis wrote:
@chaos does saying "i'm voting for xxx" count, or are you asking for ##vote xxx?

I would prefer the proper bolded format. It makes it much easier to see.

As for Rean, I think the very thing that kita sees as a scumtell is a towntell for me. The fact that he said he has contributed when he really hasn't seems more like something a town would do than mafia. I know that as a townie I tend to overestimate my contributions. As scum I am far more careful about what and how much I post, and am therefore far more aware of how much I have actually contributed.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 02:01 GMT

#895

@prplhz

Your argument for Tackster being town is not very strong. Node's for him being scum is actually quite strong. I also think that sandroba will flip green, and an information lynch is never preferential to a scum lynch. Therefore, I think we should be putting pressure on Tackster instead of Sandroba.

You are one of the few players I have a town read on. I think if you were on a mafia team your scumbuddies would be helping out your posting a bit more, rather than letting you bring attention to yourself with arguments like this one.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 02:08 GMT

#900

On June 01 2011 11:04 Jackal58 wrote:Lol. You really shouldn't paraphrase me in a game I'm in.

???

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 02:57 GMT

#912

I want everyone to go back and read Tackster's long post, and think to yourself "If he was scum, why would he have said this?", and then "If he was town, why would he have said this?". Really pay attention to each comment he makes and consider why it was made.

I did so and I am far less sure that he is scum. There actually is a fair bit of personal opinion there, he just didn't say so directly.

After re-reading Tackster's post, I went back and looked at tnkted's. I am quite uncertain of him. He has posts that could be called both pro-town and anti-town, and I can't decide which are more prevalent. I would really appreciate if a few others could do this (and again think "if he is __ alignment why would he post this?) and tell me your thoughts on him.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 03:08 GMT

#915

I'd pretty much forgotten about Palmar. I think he would be a good potential candidate for DT or tracker checks tonight.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 03:25 GMT

#917

Jackal58, why do you think Meapak_Ziphh is the scummiest player so far?
Why have you voted for Sandroba, and why did you not also post it in this thread?

Karshe, you're lurking again. Still "catching up"?

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 13:11 GMT

#1001

Alright, I go to bed and wake up eight hours later and this thread has descended into a whirlwind of even more madness and stupidity than when I left it.

1. Amber has not confirmed that redFF's Zodiac list is accurate, or even exists at all. I would conclude that the two of them are scum, but if they were, Amber would have been in here to confirm it by now. He needs to say something ASAP.

2. Go look at the voting thread. We have 14 different candidates. FOURTEEN. How many scum are there? Most likely around 6 or 7.

3. VisceraEyes. This is one of the biggest bandwagons I've seen in a while. He posted a quick survey intended to generate discussion. It did so. Nothing scummy about that in itself.

4. BloodyC0bbler's suspect list. From a player who I've heard to be as experienced as you, that was a terrible, terrible post. Most of the players on there are just inexperienced. Bad analysis =/= scum. Think if you were on a mafia team and had a new player or two who was ready to go post their excellent analysis on an unsuspecting townie. Would you let them do it and draw attention to themselves? I know I wouldn't.
Noobtells are not scumtells.

5. Lurkers. Mig, Karshe, Tackster, Kenpachi, hiro protagonist, Palmar, Torte de Lini, Barundar, and probably a few others I've missed. These are all people who have either contributed one or two posts every now and then, but nothing of substance, or people who posted near the beginning of the game and then disappeared.

6. tnkted's vote. He has already mentioned that it was on Coagulation because Coag isn't in the game. He has also said that it has something to do with his role. I'll say it again, cause we can't seem to get our heads around it, but role =/= alignment. If that is the only reason you're voting for him, I suggest you change it.

7. Someone earlier mentioned that Jackal58 was looking a little scummy. I agree, but he is also extremely hard to analyze. Even as town he is cryptic and aggressive, so there is no way to tell right now. I think the chance that he is town is greater than the chance he is scum right now.

8.
I think we should definitely keep the idea of the Zodiac list in play, and put lots of pressure on the players who are on it. Here is my personal Zodiac list

bumatlarge
BloodyC0bbler
GMarshal
Meapak_Ziphh
DropBear
Node
Jackal58
kitaman27
Rean
Mr. Wiggles
tnkted

I feel that these players should have more pressure put on them to contribute meaningfully and regularly. So far, very few of them have been doing so. The chance that at least 1 or 2 of them are scum is high.

I am going to have to cast my vote within the next hour or so. Right now I have it down to a few candidates, but I don't think it will do any good today, seeing as everyone else has voted for a noob townie or some other random player. I don't feel that the two leaders, Tackster and Sandroba, are scummy.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 14:05 GMT

#1012

I am going to be voting for GMarshal.

On May 31 2011 05:25 GMarshal wrote:
Mataza has the ability to stick his foot in his mouth with ease, as he proved in SNMMIII, he also has a penchant for fake claiming roles, e.g. he considered claiming cop day 1 in SNMMIII, I'm just ignoring his statements about his role for now.

Also lets try to avoid a claim this early in the game, yes?

There was minimal pressure on Mataza, and there really wasn't any chance of him actually being chosen as the lynch for today based just on what was going on at the beginning of the thread. If GMarshal flips red, we can rest assured that Mataza is red as well. I see no reason for a townie to so quickly move to defending someone they should be suspicious of. Just because he played strangely in one game doesn't mean he will in another. So far Mataza's posting seems fairly solid to me.

On May 31 2011 06:01 GMarshal wrote:

Show nested quote +

So, kind of what happened to tnkted when he claimed bulletproof in Sleeper Cell.

I like LAL, but we do *not* policy lynch as policy lynches keep us from gaining valuable information. We policy vigi shot. So if someone lies we just ignore them and let someone toss a kp at them at night.

I don't really see where a townie would be coming from with this. A mafia member would definitely want information/policy vigi shots rather than successful scum hits. What is even better about this post from a mafia perspective is that if they are called out on it, they can pass it off as a bad townie plan. However, many people have stated that GMarshal is a good player, and I do not think he would make a plan like this without understanding exactly how it works.

On June 01 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote:
Kurumi, if you keep spamming useless shit I'll make sure you eat a nice bullet later.

@People focusing on redFF's claim. Ignore the claim itself and focus on the reasoning behind it, remember if he is telling the truth about his role or lying is irrelevant.

Oh, since it seems like I'm not going to get much from torte
##Unvote
##Vote: Barundar

Barundar has all of one post. This is not an acceptable level of contribution.

@Kenpachi, you said that its too early to be pressuring inactives/lurkers. Its never to early to kill lurkers. If you dont deal with them early you have to deal with them later.

I really don't know what to think of this post. I know Kurumi has been contributing well now, and that at the time of this post he was discussing the pros/cons of roleclaims and potential scenarios in which it could be useful. GMarshal also claims here (I think?).

The middle of this post seems rather average, and the last bit is questionable again. Remember that lurkers can just as easily be town as scum. What we really want to be doing is sifting through the active players looking for scum. With lurkers, there is no way to differentiate between lurking town and lurking scum. The active players have given us more than enough to go on though. All in all, this is an extremely weak post for a townie, and a passable one for a mafia.

On June 01 2011 07:38 GMarshal wrote:

Show nested quote +

We are done discussing a plan that will not be put into place. Both sides have been pretty clearly laid out.

Instead answer these questions.
1.) If you were a vigilante who would you shoot tonight
2.) if you were a kingmaker who would you make king tomorrow
3.) what is your favorite colour
4.) Of all the players with more than ten posts in the game at the moment, which seem the scummiest?

At first I saw nothing wrong with this post, and even answered it myself. Then someone explained how it is scummy. It goes something like this
1. Mafia will avoid wasting a shot on that player if they are town. If they are mafia they will kill the player who said it.
2. Mafia will be inclined to kill this player.
3. Wat? Doesn't make any sense for a townie to ask this unless it is part of their role, which I really really doubt.
4. This one is the most pro-town question, but can also work for mafia.
If Town:
-Gives more input
-Creates mores discussion and analysis
If Mafia:
-Gives mafia team an idea on who they can push for a lynch
-Gives mafia team an idea if any of their players are standing out

The rest of his posts have been relatively useless. They created some minor discussion without actually forcing GM to contribute.
As for votes, he has gone from Torte de Lini to Barundar, both times stating it is a pressure vote, but neither time trying to get other people to help him pressure vote. Why is this scummy? Look at the majority of players. They are trying to catch scum and vote for the players they think are scummy. What GM is doing is getting in his vote without resulting in suspicion cast on him when he tries to push for a townie lynch and they flip green. If someone calls him out on it he can say "But I was pressuring lurkers!". It is a tactic I used often as scum in a game on UG.

In conclusion, GM has had a few pro-mafia points in his posts, and the rest are a way of contributing without contributing. His votes are not useful to town, but he is able to pass them off as in town's best interests if questioned. I feel he is a player that has managed to fly just under the radar for the whole game, and that we really need to put some pressure on him. As I have mentioned before, read every one of his posts considering why he would say what he has if he was mafia and if he was town.

##Vote GMarshal

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 15:17 GMT

#1036

On June 02 2011 00:06 Barundar wrote:
Urgh Kurumi your posts are so hard to read. You went almost unnoticed in PYPI until you blew yourself up because of it. If tnkted hadn't pointed it out, I would have completely missed that last line.

Chaos13: While I agree GM is scummy, I question whether we really need another lynch target. The guy is pressuring me and all, but it wasn't unjustified pressure. It's pretty standard for him to play the inactives worst nightmare day 1.

Also I disagree with you on viscara eyes, I don't think the questions was to promote discussion, I think it was so he could answer it himself and claim veteran. Why on earth would he do that as town? The whole point of having an extra life is to get scum to shoot you. I'm going to vote him to see how he react to pressure.

I don't like creating another option for people either, but I'm just not comfortable enough voting for any of the already established candidates. If he really was inactives worst nightmare he would be pushing for pressure votes a lot harder. As it is he has just said "K, I voted this person for pressure" and hasn't tried to get anyone else to vote them.
With Viscera, I see no reason why a scum would claim vet without being pressured. I can see a few reasons why a townie would though. If you're smart you'll figure them out as well.

I am quite certain that lynching Tackster, Sandroba, or VisceraEyes will result in a town flip.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 15:33 GMT

#1044

Well it's time for me to go. Be back around the deadline I think. Somebody quiz Mr. Tortillini as to why he voted Kurumi without giving an explanation or posting it in this thread for me.

Please don't lynch a townie while I'm gone.

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

June 01 2011 19:24 GMT

#1082

Alright, Kurumi and prplhz, quit with the arguing back and forth. I think you're both town, and you're not helping anyone with it.

Jackal58, why did you vote Sandroba?

We're still arguing about Viscera, Sandroba, and Tackster, as well as tnkted now. The more I read tnkted's posting, the less I think he is scum, and I have already made my thoughts on the other three clear. I would encourage everyone to move to GMarshal. A few of you have already said you feel he is scummy as well. Act on it. He is our best candidate for a lynch today.

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