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hiro protagonist
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:45 Mig wrote: Varp your plan is horrrrrrible. The reason is it makes it super easy for the mafia to pick out targets. They will hit the people who say they have information roles and avoid the ones who have survival. Come on common sense here. you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Let's say, player A designed a role for player B. There's also player C. Player A is town, Player B is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B may now claim whatever he wants (Literally, in this set-up). Player A is town, Player B is town, Player C is mafia. Mafia shoots Player A, Player B can claim, but it is not verifiable. Also, WIFOM for being the first situation, as in, more confusion for town. Or is this wrong? Ah this does look like the work of the wiggler for sure... I'll have katiwoman analyze this piece immediately. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
You are right with your opinion, but your conclusion is wrong. Mafia would still not know where the role landed, because the plan was to say what role we gave away, not what we got. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:48 Varpulis wrote: you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. Naw man, knowing the role setup is great for maf, cause they got a list of which of those roles are theirs... so those guys just gotta cherrypick the dangerous roles and try to sniff them out. Let's not surrender a role list right away. | ||
Mig
United States4714 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:48 Varpulis wrote: you misunderstand. not claiming our roles, the roles we chose for others. We don't say who we picked the role for. We're not giving the mafia any more information than they already know, really. Oh ok well I don't have a real problem with that except we probably don't actually learn much from it and it would super clutter up the thread One thing we can be sure of tho is that mafia probably has a ton of weird kp roles. Considering the mafia kp is permanently set at 1 with 33 people. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7875 Posts
Instead we move onto something useful. As the day progresses we determine who are people we deem high priority red targets. They get protection from whoever got a protection role. We set up a list on who we think may or may not be red and have our investigative roles check them. This forces discussion on topics that are very very hard to hide your alignment in. Mafia and town alike have to voice in and information is given. The Zodiac list is tried and true. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Karshe
United States212 Posts
I don't think a mass claim will ever help town. If you know someone is lying about their role later on there's no reason you can't call them on it. Whoever gave me my role sure has a strange sense of humor. =P | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
How would our host balance? If there are no KP roles(Since mafia has only 1 KP in a 30 player game), it means to me that we either have neutrals filled in to balance the game out. Is that a possibility, or did our fine town fill the roster with kp? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:53 Mataza wrote: By the way. How would our host balance? If there are no KP roles(Since mafia has only 1 KP in a 30 player game), it means to me that we either have neutrals filled in to balance the game out. Is that a possibility, or did our fine town fill the roster with kp? I think we should assume that this game is most definitely not balanced. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:54 sandroba wrote: Alright every one seems to dislike the first part of my plan, but no one has commented on policy so far. The first part which we claim what player got our role is just to make policy easier. Either way I say we policy lynch ANYONE who lies about their role. Town has very little reason to lie about their role while mafia has a lot of reasons. What are you guys' opinions about this? erm obviously | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:53 Mataza wrote: By the way. How would our host balance? If there are no KP roles(Since mafia has only 1 KP in a 30 player game), it means to me that we either have neutrals filled in to balance the game out. Is that a possibility, or did our fine town fill the roster with kp? Discussing balance at this point is a waste of time and breath, we don't know how the game is balanced, just trust that it is. Discussing that allows the mafia to blend in with baseless speculation. Instead of that let me ask you a question, which of the players in this game is the scariest as mafia in your opinion? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I hope we have a verifiable rolechecker, because without it´s gonna be hard to enforce liar policy lynches. Just saying. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Well, here's the thing. If someone wants to surrender that information, there's nothing we as a town can do to stop it. But they have to understand that there are inherent risks involved, such as making them a target in case maf got the role and they think people knowing about it is dangerous. Not to mention the thought of what a suspicious town can do to them if they don't believe them. Or even if they DO, imagine that. What if the town suddenly calls for that person to claim, then they start self-destructing over who has the role in question. It's just a shaky situation all-around. There are going to be instances when someone will feel compelled to claim, and I think when that time comes, we shouldn't just start throwing fingers around. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
On May 31 2011 05:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now that I see some horrible jokes being played I feel I should step up with something useful. Rather than go on and on about who picked who lists or the like can help why dont we do this, drop them. Instead we move onto something useful. As the day progresses we determine who are people we deem high priority red targets. They get protection from whoever got a protection role. We set up a list on who we think may or may not be red and have our investigative roles check them. This forces discussion on topics that are very very hard to hide your alignment in. Mafia and town alike have to voice in and information is given. The Zodiac list is tried and true. Are we picking people based on past history or are we going to base it on the current game? IIRC, this inevitably leads us to making "townie-lists". After PYPI, I don't really feel like thats a great idea. But for the sake of discussion I'm all for it, since I think you are focusing more on what people are saying rather then the lists themselves. I'll nominate you and myself. | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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