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Apparently [7] is the lucky number. | ||
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I want to know how many, no matter the number. | ||
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On May 16 2011 05:36 kitaman27 wrote: We know there are six mafia in total so 4+2, 5+1, or 6+0 doesn't really seem all that helpful. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did Ver mention the Mole(s) are already included into the Mafia count? I thought they would be separate, like 6+1, 6+2, etc. I only started reading the thread last night. | ||
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Cool beans. Things just got less insane and balanced  | ||
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On May 16 2011 19:40 Chezinu wrote: Question: If the Editor says a codeword that activates a bomb but then edits his post before you (the host) reads it, does the bomb go off? Y U So Mafia?! | ||
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On May 17 2011 01:10 Kurumi wrote: That's why You voted on Chezinu? Looks like asking questions is forbidden,man this game is hard. I don't expect you to see what I see nor think as I think, and I'm not going into oh-so-in-depth explanations for everything I do. At the end, I act as I please; Feel free to interpret it any way you want. | ||
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Someone make a case against me please. | ||
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On May 17 2011 08:59 Radfield wrote: Man, the only other game we've played together Decon, you were helpful, active, patient, pro-town and reasonable. And you were scum, and shot me night 1. This game you're anything but, so I assume you're town. The game I played with deconduo made me shed man-tears. | ||
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On May 17 2011 11:25 infinitestory wrote: :O If someone else tries to nuke me, they'll have to type it in anyway >_> ##Nuke: infinitestory So if a nuke lands on you at the end of day, which one of us fired it? *plays music* I think you get the point. I kid, I don't have a nuke I swear! | ||
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On May 17 2011 19:42 Radfield wrote: Fishball(hello? FIshball? Are you there? Are you playing?) Oh I'm here all right. Just seems like your definition of "play" is different to mine. | ||
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On May 18 2011 08:44 Incognito wrote: Oops for some reason I thought there were 24 people in this game... Kavdragon - This list will consist of likely townies Caller Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness bumatlarge Radfield GMarshal Kurumi Ace tnkted infinitestory Dreamflower Deconduo KillerSOS Scamp - This list will consist of lurkers Chezinu Eiii OriginalName Fishball kitaman27 Mr. Wiggles Chezinu - This list will consist of suspicious people Node Scamp GMarshal chaoser Barundar Kavdragon Mafia 2 DT can check one list per day. Inventor can give out a vote list check kit. And still, 2 vote checks are better than nothing. Really we only need 3, as the 4th one we can infer by the results of the others. And as Ace said before, anyone who is a stray vote can just be individually checked. Me lurking? Never! All oldies knows I rarely point fingers at anyone, no matter what alignment I am, until I have something solid. Standard Fishball IMO, especially this early into the game. For shits and giggles, I talked to BC on MSN and gave him my incomplete-preliminary Mafia list. I'll be sure to brag after the game if I get anything right, *cough*. Time for The Witcher 2! | ||
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On May 18 2011 09:02 Incognito wrote: Sorry, I was mistaken. You are the pinnacle of pro-town play. Just vote Scamp, k? I'm rarely super pro-town either; I've evolved. See beyond the Town and Mafia. You will see new horizons. | ||
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On May 18 2011 16:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok then, here's my thoughts for tonight: Role-Checks: These are the people who, at the moment, it would be a good idea to check their role. If scum got any of the first queue spots, they're likely to have taken a strong scum role from the no-pick list. Flamewheel Scamp Caller Barundar Radfield GMarshal Alignment Checks: These are the people I find somewhat suspicious, or who it would be nice to have an alignment check on. Barundar Node Tnkted Incognito Radfield Ace Vig-Hit: Deconduo I'm thinking he's VI, maybe mafia Hero, either way he isn't helping town, and I don't want to waste a lynch on him later. Debatable. Medic list: These are the people I think ought to be protected. Either they're acting pro-town already, or have good potential to help town day 2. Caller bumatlarge Radfield Incognito Flamewheel Foolishness This is just a summary of my thoughts at the moment. Disagree? Want to add? Just cause it's night doesn't mean we need to shut up. Why don't I see myself on any list? | ||
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On May 18 2011 20:45 flamewheel wrote:
Aw, now I'm butt hurt. Not "doing" much early on, is equal to I'm useless every game now huh? You either have selective memory, or you have your own propaganda to appeal to the masses. | ||
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On May 19 2011 08:41 Radfield wrote: Hold the phone. Decon claims to have taken bulletproof and missed. Bulletproof is almost useless for a mafia player, and there are wayyy more other pro-town roles that also benefit mafia hugely, while still looking pro-town. I don't see an anti-town player drafting for Bulletproof, hopefully we can mainly agree on that. It's possible, but would be a really bad play. There are 18 players below Decon, and I bet at least one of them went after Bulletproof. If someone else drafted it, then they will call him out. Assuming Decon is town, it also gives every player above him a modicum of protection from mafia tonight. As a general note on using a bunch of KP night 1. This is a terrible idea. Mostly for the obvious reason that the amount of info we have will skyrocket after our first mafia kill, and as the game goes on. But also, there are multiple roles in this game which allow players to avoid lynches, in the event this happens, town really needs some KP to deal with it. If his claim is true that is. Based on that, the Bullet Proof is among these players. 1. Flamewheel 2. Scamp 3. Caller 4. Barundar 5. Radfield 6. GMarshal I'd logically think that you won't be the BP, and FW claimed Jack I believe. Not sure about the others. So if there was a BP, it would be among these four. 1. Scamp 2. Caller 3. Barundar 4. GMarshal Lie/Truth? Would one of these players pussy out and drafted BP? Take your chances. Just throwing it out there. | ||
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1. Caller 2. Barundar 3. GMarshal If not, deconduo is lying. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:30 Ace wrote: ooooooo my now things are getting interesting! Incognito is still going to get lynched, but somebody screwed up. Flamewheel isn't the problem here though. Something is off between Radfield and deconduo. I was just about to follow up with my quote, that there is a possibility that the post Radfield made on page 45 was "a play". I won't say it out loud on what I'm thinking right now, but Ace, if you're on the same page based on your check results, you should know what I'm talking about. | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:34 flamewheel wrote: I'm waiting on my clue  Though Ver assures me it won't be anything simple, it will be something that comes from a profile... if the user has profile information. And if not, it comes from the name. Beyond that, I'm going to wait until everybody has had a chance to post. The people on my suspicious list (plus others) need to start being useful today. I can't vet myself two nights in a row, so you can bet there's a shot waiting. I don't have enough patience to check anybody. Please refresh my memory, if you did announce your role. You're the Chuiu Jack, no? So if you used your veteran ability last night, what is this "clue" thing you are referring to right now? | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:39 infinitestory wrote: His veteran ability is identical to Caller Veteran, which receives a clue about the attacker. Ah, I see. I have yet to digest all roles | ||
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On May 19 2011 13:47 flamewheel wrote: Duh. I'm saying if the copycat is town he needs to claim. If not and inventions still flow, then it's just one more piece of the puzzle that becomes known. Not necessarily. If the Copy Cat is Town and claims, unless we're going to devote our resources and protect him 24/7, he would likely die. To be honest, I don't have a solid solution for this either, but just throwing it out there. | ||
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On May 19 2011 15:05 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I still get to type my lynch in the thread regardless of if there is a politician or not. If who I type to kill is not dead at the end of the day and someone else is, that confirms that there is a scum politician present. A townie redirecting is stupid. The politician can't make me type things, he only changes where my votes land from the role description. I'm also going to fully comply with the town on who to lynch. So if any surprises happen, it's scum involvement. There was also always the threat of kingmaker/politician, and kingmaker/journalist combo, and this way town knows what's going on. This was the most transparent way to go about this, by claiming at the start of the day, and not waiting. This way we have the most time to discuss and decide what we want to do with it. If you're scum and your team has the Politician, you can still "comply" with the town regarding the lynch and have the Politician redirect the kill. All that I'm saying is it doesn't necessarily proves your innocence. | ||
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On May 19 2011 15:34 Chezinu wrote: H\e,y G[u[]y.s W/.e ne';eds t[o b{e e}xtr{e;m>e.l<y c9a)r(e%f#u$l a!b-o_u,t t^h*e e~x`p&l#o@s?i\o|n=s+. 0oes & (L)(0)(L) @ f;l.a*m;e',w-h=e)e-l f{o{r b#e%i!n@g t$o%o#w&n v8e5t3e6r0a1n a4s6 a8l2w4a5y7s-. Y U STILL SO MAFIA | ||
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On May 19 2011 20:24 bumatlarge wrote: I agree with rad that wiggles should probably kill someone soon. Don't think wiggles is scum, so I'd say use your best judgement wiggies! (CHAOSER) Read Infy's analysis on incognito, im not really sold yet. Incog told me things I didn't know. I feel that indicates him as town more then not. He is being extremely wishy-washy with his voting, but I've been ignoring that I suppose. Don't really know how he plays, I just hear he's good. He helped at first but lately with picking candidates and stating reasons we haven't been on the same page. And Ace seems like obvious town at this point. He's a rolechecker, and all the roles I went through with that are just way too pro-town, and for him not to be a rolechecker, both he and rad would have to be scum. That said, protect Ace! I'm very curious as to what rad is since he isnt voterigger. AGENDA MUCH? I thought me and Ace made it pretty obvious. On May 19 2011 22:04 GMarshal wrote: Ok, its time to bag some mafia, I'm the Mafia II Detective and I vote checked the Kav wagon. There were 2 mafia voting for Kavdragon yesterday, which means that out of 6 voters KAVDRAGON (6): , GMarshal, Caller, Incognito, Chezinu, Node, flamewheel It's funny that 2 of my suspects I gave to BC are on that list as well. | ||
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On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote: Does Kingmaker override the role the person had? Or is it just an addition? What? Kingmaker is just like any other role. Do you mean will being made "King" override the role of a player? If that is the case, I'd say no. On May 19 2011 23:03 Kurumi wrote: Lurkeys should act soon in my opinion (Chezinu,Fishball,Eiii,Flower's post are not enough I think,deconduo,OriginalName) You're useless now and this does not make You scummy so fast,but at least suspicious and little anti-town. I am dissapointed that Fishball did nothing after my accusation on him and prodding him to actually do something,while my vote did not do much I feel it was justified. Unless you didn't read any of my posts last night... never mind. And why would I even bother "responding" to your accusations? You can think whatever you like, but it's deemed pointless to me. But hey, at least I'm talking to you right now. | ||
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On May 19 2011 23:47 Kurumi wrote: Yeah I meant person made King. Well Your Bulletproof people list makes some sense and might be useful later. You started to making stances a bit,still Your posts are small. This is a slight improvement,though not "something"(like a big insight into someone) I think You're on the right track in my eyes to start appearing Town. I don't fully understand Your dont-respond-to-attack technique,but looks like You know what You're doing,still I will keep my eye on that. Now I should go back to more past things,not the recent. I just noticed you're like the more adorable version of orgolove. I also like how you capitalize all "You/Your/You're"; No, I'm not making fun of your English. Your post just made me smile, in a relatively good way. | ||
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On May 20 2011 02:39 GMarshal wrote: Are you high? Inventions do what their description states nothing else, otherwise who knows what shenanigans people could up to with inventions. Unless you know something about the glasses we don't. Either way we have bigger fish to fry than that. Anyway if incog is America as he claims I can't see him being mafia, it seems like it would be the crappiest role for the scum team to pick, ever, mafia don't like powers that require for them to post in thread. Of course maybe he is just a *really* ballsy mafia. Either way I reserve judgment until we see if the nuke goes off. If Incognito is Mafia, that is like the perfect cover for him. "The most dangerous place is often the safest". This is a game of Mafia. | ||
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Chezinu and Incognito are on my list, and this was prior GMarshal submitted his check list. It wasn't exactly a random vote that I put on Chezinu on Day 1. In fact it was this exact quote that alerted me. + Show Spoiler + It's might seem too subtle for most of you, or maybe we just share a different point of view, but to me, a pro-town player would never ask such a question. As for Incognito, a lot of you have already pointed fingers at his play, so I don't really have much to add on that. Now what Incognito is arguing does makes sense to a certain degree, but I also don't have time to discuss this any deeper for now. I'll try to add a bit more when I get home tonight. | ||
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On May 20 2011 06:47 Radfield wrote: Speaking of Ace, why the hell are you softballing suspicion on me over my role? If you know my role, you know EXACTLY why I didn't follow my own plan. Fishball, assuming you rolechecked me(which you are insinuating) can you back me up that a) you know exactly why I did what I did, and b) there is no reason to be suspicious of me not taking VR. If you keep this up Ace, I'm probably gonna have to make an all-caps angry role claim.... Ace role checked you, not me. I was able to take a solid guess at your role based on what I see on the table, and have decided not to talk about it at this point. | ||
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On May 20 2011 13:50 infinitestory wrote: I don't see any way to stop the America nuke, so there's no point keeping anything at all hidden. If you're town, and you didn't get a role, you should tell us what you went for; if you did get a role, please claim. America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die. So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three. - Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately. - Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day. - Town lynches one more at the end of day. | ||
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On May 20 2011 14:12 Fishball wrote: America might be able to stop the nuke himself, but that wouldn't make sense if the Politician has bought his vote, because that would just void the Politician's power every time. Unless it was made that America can only stop the nuke if the target was his call, and not the Politician's. This would be a question for Ver to clarify. But in reality, it really doesn't matter, as Incognito would have to choose to stop nuke from hitting Chezinu, which I don't really see happening for many reasons. Whether or not America has the ability to stop the nuke, Chezinu is likely to die. So the maximum kills we can get during this day cycle is three. - Mr. Wiggles uses the King's lynch on Incognito. Incognito dies immediately. - Incognito's nuke lands on Chezinu at the end of day. - Town lynches one more at the end of day. Just some follow up. If what GMarshal says is true, and his list is not influenced by any other factors (Framer/Godfathers etc,), and also assuming he, himself, is not one of the Mafia on the list, we have two Mafia among the following five. - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node - flamewheel If we do go with the route with maximum day kills, and the worst case scenario happens, as in both Chezinu/Incognito flipped Town, that leaves us with. - Caller - Node - flamewheel Now lets also assume that we used our Town lynch on a target outside of the check list (will elaborate later in this post), we will be on Night 2, and we have two Mafia among a list of three. At this point, we should have people use their investigative powers on the players remaining on the list instead of flat out killing them, based on the fact that we already missed twice from a list of five, and I'd rather not take anymore chances from the possibility that the list might be bad. If we don't find anything, we'll know this is a setup. Everything mentioned above only applies if neither Chezinu or Incognito flips red. Although I haven't cast my vote yet, from what I see in the voting thread right now, unless something dramatically comes up, the general consensus is that Incognito will be lynched. If this is the case, I rather have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on Incognito right now. If he flips red, great; If he flips green, at least that will still give us 20 somewhat hours to discuss who we should be lynching next. Now back to why I think we should be using our Town lynch on someone else outside of the list. If Incognito flips red, it wouldn't be the best course of action to use another kill on the list, since Chezinu's death is inevitable and have yet to flip. I'd rather have us start exploring elsewhere. If Incognito flips green, the same logic applies, along with the situation we will be in mentioned up top; Chezinu has yet to flip, and we don't want to dig too deep base on the off-chance that the list might be bad, whether it's fake or is a setup by other factors. I also prefer Mr. Wiggles to use the King's lynch sooner than later, no matter who we decide to lynch. The sooner we're able to test the waters whether if a Politician exist in the game or not, the better. Yes, the Politician could choose to not use his power if he deems it is unnecessary or wants to lay low, but it's a still good indicator for Town, and it at least gives us a bit more time to prepare and discuss until the end of Day if a Politician do exist and used his power. So in short, if the general consensus is to lynch Incognito, Mr. Wiggles should be the one pulling the trigger. It's either having the results now or results later, and it can only benefit us if we act now. | ||
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On May 20 2011 16:15 Barundar wrote: In my opinion use the kingmaker lynch and the nuke on the same person. If not, if one of the targets is mafia, and the other isn't, we risk that the one on mafia is redirected by politician on to a townie. If we mislynch on top of that, we have killed 3 townies in one day while mafia only killed 1 townie at night. Ver can the Kingmaker lynch and/or America nuke be redirected by Politician after they have been set off? I'm leaning town on Caller and Fishball, so it's between Node and Incognito for me regarding the second mafia, and I think Node has been the scummiest poster of the 2. ##Vote Node Chaosers sudden vote on Foolishness seems strange, so does chaosers suspect list. Why would he suspect dreamflower if he hasn't even read her posts? It doesn't really give me confidence he is actually looking for mafia. It's weird that you would think of it that way. If you read the the role description again, the Politician can only change the choice of the target prior to firing, not after the nuke is in the air. Now that the nuke is in the air, the Politician can only buy the King's lynch, or some random dudes vote for our regular lynch, if this role exists in the game. | ||
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Politician As a person used to getting your way by any means necessary you may PM me during the day to buy a player's vote. You will have the ability to control where that player's vote is placed. They will of course lose control of their vote. Their vote will show up as voting where ever you want it to be via PM to me. If you happen to buy America's vote, you can also use their nuke power if they have not already used it for that day and it will appear as them doing it. Also, if you buy the King's vote, you will have his lynch as well. If you happen to buy the king or America you will be informed if you can use their power. America Congratulations, you have bribed your way to becoming President of America! You have unlimited nukes at your disposal, however, they can only be used during the day phase and you can only use one nuke per day. Also, because congress is a bunch of fat cat geezers, if the politician buys your vote and you have not already used your nuke for that cycle, he can also nuke a target of his choice and he makes it look like you did it! (however he cannot make you shoot yourself) To nuke, you must type ##nuke player. You must nuke 12 hours or more before day ends. Nukes land at the end of the day. Kingmaker You are the Kingmaker, the power behind the throne. Every night you must send me a Private Message with a list of names to be made king. The highest person on the list not to be killed will be made king. The King will not be informed of who you are. You also can not choose any player you already made King unless you cannot fulfill your role otherwise (i,e only a few people are left whom you've all made king). You can't nominate yourself to be King either under any circumstances. The King is essentially a day vigilante who must type ##lynch player at some point during the day to kill someone. If the king's vote is bought by the politician, the politician also controls the king's lynch. Power behind the throne, neh? | ||
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On May 20 2011 17:00 Barundar wrote: Cheers for clarifying. Will the King be notified if his vote is bought? Yes, also answered already. On May 20 2011 07:42 Ver wrote: If a nuke has been launched I will announce it and its target at either around the 24 hour mark before the lynch or the 12 hour mark, depending on when it was launched. The nuke, if launched, will land right after the lynch. No the politician is entirely private. They pm me who they want to control. If they control the king (or america), I will let them know that they have his lynch available to use and must use it (assuming he hasn't used it). The King will be informed if the politician controls him (as would anybody). The politician vote shows up right after they use it. | ||
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On May 20 2011 18:03 Incognito wrote: Instead of discussing "if I flip red" or "if I flip green", can you at least TRY to analyze what I am? I mean, its not that difficult. Even though I made my point as clear as possible, you still don't seem to get it. I only listed the steps the town should take, if they are going to lynch you. What your alignment is not directly relevant. | ||
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On May 21 2011 00:28 Barundar wrote: My opinion is: we hit mafia with chezinu. At work and I don't have much time to reply in detail to you guys, but this sentence just made no sense whatsoever. It's like saying, "Let's hit Town with Fishball". | ||
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On May 21 2011 02:21 Barundar wrote: Am I the only one annoyed at how full of themselves some of the veterans are? Caller asks to be killed because he doesn't have time to play, when there is a bunch of substitutes ready. Incognito thinks we should kill Ace even though he thinks Ace is town, after Incognito himself is dead. Foolishness and Ace has been gunning for Incognito all game long. And both Caller and Incognito thinks Flamewheel will somehow win for the town after they are dead. 1) We aren't killing people because they are on a list, we kill them because we think they are mafia. Everything else is a stupid waste of town KP. 2) We don't kill Ace just because he annoys Incognito. See above. 3) Veterans aren't going to win the game alone, this is not you vs. the world. Not all of them are hug-gable teddy bears like me. | ||
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On May 21 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: No one save dreamflower ever even brought up a case about him and then all of a sudden it's a "pro-town move to nuke Chezinu". Regardless of what Chezinu flips, I was first to accuse him! Although I didn't really slap a case on him. | ||
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On May 21 2011 10:13 Incognito wrote: Mr. analysis and scumhunting is content to go with "the odds" and chill on the sidelines. This is too funny. Actually, I think you should vig me right now so that you get more information that comes out of the scramble of all the invalid ##Vote Incognito votes. Its pretty clear that you will get no information from my lynch. Its easy for mafia to jump on either side of the wagon. If you vig me, people will actually be forced to give reasons on why they are voting for the other suspects. And Ironically you want to kill KillerSOS, who you say is a easy. Why go for the easy kill? Do the right thing and kill me instead and force people to give reasons for their votes on the other suspects. Funny thing is, you're the only one who shares my point of view. I even mentioned if we decide to not have Mr. Wiggles use the King's lynch on you, it's better to use it sooner than later. So far, people keep taking their own jabs at their own targets, and what do we get? Nothing so far, and we have like a little over 2 hours left. You were the only lynch target that was leading by majority, and still is. If people can't see through this simple logic, I'm just not going to bother much it and let things play out by itself. | ||
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 If I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk. | ||
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I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more. I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:10 Ace wrote: I've actually got a theory depending on what KillerSOS flips. Pretty sure some of the Scum team got nailed today. Jesus, get out of my head. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:30 infinitestory wrote: no thats not fucking politician, since the nuke was launched straight at chez thats a daytime bus driver -_- Very true. I just contradicted my own answer from last night. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: well that means we have two mafia, Chezinu and Incog I'd be curious to hear Ace's master plan now. I take my previous post back. Since Chezinu and FW was bused, regardless of what Chezinu flips later in the game, Mafia has already force us to divert our resources for another period on him. He flips green? Great, we just used our resources to kill one of our own. He flips red? Good, we had to use our resources to kill him for a second time. With that being said, Chezinu should be offed. I don't see any reason to keep him around, especially how he reacted for the past 48 hours. If anyone finds the Bus Driver tonight, the Town needs to know and he has to die. No alignment check needed. Also if the list is stands true, this is who we have left. - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:46 infinitestory wrote: I propose the following: Whoever is King tomorrow, as soon as humanly possible, lynch Incognito, or Chezinu if he is dead. If anyone disagrees with this, feel free to say why. Incognito is America and that is a known fact. Although we don't know his alignment, but if he wants to stick around, he can't be pulling off random nukes anymore. Chezinu on the other hand haven't done anything. The VI is already dead so we know he isn't the VI. So if he keeps up his act, he either gets mod-killed due to the fact that he is not "playing to win", or he has a different agenda all together. If we were to pick between Incognito and Chezinu as to who to kill, it is a no-brainer. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:47 Fishball wrote: I take my previous post back. Since Chezinu and FW was bused, regardless of what Chezinu flips later in the game, Mafia has already force us to divert our resources for another period on him. He flips green? Great, we just used our resources to kill one of our own. He flips red? Good, we had to use our resources to kill him for a second time. With that being said, Chezinu should be offed. I don't see any reason to keep him around, especially how he reacted for the past 48 hours. If anyone finds the Bus Driver tonight, the Town needs to know and he has to die. No alignment check needed. Also if the list still stands true, this is who we have left. - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node Typo fix in bold. | ||
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On May 21 2011 13:57 infinitestory wrote: Fishball, Ace, are you guys by any chance very suspicious of a player who's been generally viewed as a townie? I suspect a lot of people. Literally everyone. So far there isn't anyone in this game that struck me hard as "this dude must be Town, 100%", but you know, it's a Mafia game. I'm not going to say much for now, but we'll see how things turn out down the road. One thing though, if all the events that have happened so far are relevant, and is one giant scheme, Town is already fucked. To pull this off however, needs a lot of coordination and good minds. If this is really the case, there isn't a huge pool to choose from. In past games however, I've never been able to have a good team, regardless of alignment. So the scenario mentioned above, which is literally a "perfect" team would be even rarer to occur. But who knows how Ver "balanced" the teams? This is "Insane" after all. I'm just rambling here so take it with a grain of salt. | ||
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On May 21 2011 14:20 Ace wrote: Yes, and in fact multiple ones. Like I said, thats TWO days in a row Incognito lived via last minute wagons on others. First Kavdragon, and now KillerSOS. Needless to say tonight I'm shooting Incognito. Anyway here is my list of the Scum team at the moment: Incognito Chezinu Radfield Mr.Wiggles Let me explain before unRadfield starts frothing at the mouth. First of all like I said about Incognito - besides his earlier play and the fact he picked America, it's people saving him. Someone earlier said Incognito isn't Scum because no one was defending him. That couldn't be further from the truth. On both days when the heat came to his doorstep miraculously a few posters jumped to his defense and voted for shoddy targets. First day it was KavCaprio. Second day it's KillerSOS, who just so happened to claim Tracker and confirmed I did visit Radfield last night. Now that he flipped Town you know this wasn't a setup. Conveniently the only thing "saving" Radfield is that he was on the wagon for Barundar and not Kavdragon. Not really much saving since Barundar ended 1 vote shy of the lynch tied with Incognito. However Radfield's defense has been very bad. I TOLD you guys it was just too convenient that the man ignored his own plan and picked America, and then tried to weasel his way out of it. But since Radfield has been Incognito's number 1 defender and should be smarter than this I firmly believe he is Scum. Chezinu, yea ok. Nuff said. Mr.Wiggles...sigh. This one is actually the weirdest or "loosest" of them all but I believe he is Scum. This stems from the fact that of the list of 6 people TWO were scum and he had King lynch power. Why would you lynch Original Name? For a townie wanting to find Scum the obvious lynch was any of those 6 targets. Lynching anyone off of the list got you nothing unless it was someone most of the town believed to be Scum. ON was NOT one of those players. There were what, 3 maybe 4 people accusing him? Why not lynch chaoser if you wanted to lynch someone off the list? My take is that knowing chaoser is under heavy suspicion, lynching just one "randomly useless townie" made the perfect scape goat move. But the real cracker here? ON was one of the people on the list that voted for Incognito before the deadline. By eliminating ON he not only killed a "useless townie" but also dropped the vote count on Incognito by 1, making it easier to lynch KillerSOS. Of the 4, Incognito and Chezinu are definite Scum. Radfield I'm leaning towards heavily being Scum because his defense and ignorance of the wagon derailment TWICE isn't just a coincidence. Wiggles, yea whatever. Add in the fact that Flamewheel dies and there is just too much coincidence to ignore here. Tonight, I'm shooting Incognito. Tomorrow, we vote off Chezinu and Kingmaker kills Radfield or Wiggles. It's about to be Day 3 with no dead mafia and I'm tired of watching you morons point fingers in all the wrong places. Anyone who doesn't wanna follow my lead can kick rocks. I'm doing things my way from now on. This is so tempting for me to speak. But I shall resist! | ||
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On May 21 2011 14:28 Ace wrote: Speak on it Fishball. The only thing I'd comment on for now is to have whoever is the King to lynch Chezinu right off the bat, since you are shooting Incognito already. It would be better to deal with, possibly finishing off the list as early as possible since there are only four left (not counting GMarshal). - Caller - Incognito - Chezinu - Node If two of them flip red? Great. Even if one of them flip red, we'll only have 2 candidates remaining with one of them being Mafia. If we do this quick enough, we'll have 40+ hours to discuss who to lynch. | ||
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On May 21 2011 14:31 Chezinu wrote: me me me SO EXCITED! + Show Spoiler + That I'm alive... this is no way spam! Hmm, seems like the same thing happened to my new town as the old one…hmm, what story should I make up this time? Anyways, down to serious business: Why am I still alive? Is it because my lover is a mafia? Is it the fact that I may be the mole? I do not know these things... Dude, if there is a Cupid in the game, or you are the Cupid himself, and you've been paired with another player; If you are Town aligned at all, you should announce who the hell is your lover right now... | ||
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On May 21 2011 14:40 Fishball wrote: Dude, if there is a Cupid in the game, or you are the Cupid himself, and you've been paired with another player; If you are Town aligned at all, you should announce who the hell is your lover right now... Just to elaborate, assuming you're Town and have a Lover in the game. If you're Mafia, then nothing really matters. If your lover is a pro-town player, we might not want him to die with you. If your lover is one of the Mafia suspects, it would only benefit us to know who that person is. Come to think of it, if any Town aligned player has been linked to you, and the Nuke was aimed at you early on, I see no reason for that player to not speak up... which means if the scenario first mentioned is true, your Lover is likely Mafia. So yeah, who is your god damn Lover if you got one. | ||
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On May 21 2011 22:17 Radfield wrote: inb4 Ace shows up and tells me either that: A) I'm a moron for revealing I'm bulletproof OR B) I must be mafia because no townie would ever reveal they were bulletproof As far as B goes, lets have a show of hands of how many people already deduced my role from the conversation that was had. My role was forced when Ace started softballing me, and revealed the moment I responded. Speaking of Ace softballing me. I just looked through the thread, and EIGHT TIMES he lumps suspicion on me for not taking VR. EIGHT!! Honestly, I really can't imagine any player who knows my history mentioning it even once. I recommend people go back and look at his comments regarding my role, it starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9333256 Knowing what you know now, do his comments make sense from a pro-town perspective? Regardless of your alignment, which I'm not discussing right here, no surprise that you're the BP. When I posted on page 47 + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 13:28 Fishball wrote: Not rocket science, but unless FW and Ace/Radfield are lying, Bullet Proof is among these three. 1. Caller 2. Barundar 3. GMarshal If not, deconduo is lying. And Ace replied with + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 13:30 Ace wrote: ooooooo my now things are getting interesting! Incognito is still going to get lynched, but somebody screwed up. Flamewheel isn't the problem here though. Something is off between Radfield and deconduo. Which I followed up with + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2011 13:35 Fishball wrote: I was just about to follow up with my quote, that there is a possibility that the post Radfield made on page 45 was "a play". I won't say it out loud on what I'm thinking right now, but Ace, if you're on the same page based on your check results, you should know what I'm talking about. At this point, I already figured you're likely the BP, and explains why you wanted to protect deconduo on page 45. I also know you always die early in numerous games, so it makes sense that you would go for the BP. Although I thought me and Ace made it pretty obvious what your role is, at that point it would be in Town's best interest to keep our mouths shut. | ||
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The role has also lost a lot of it's usefulness, since he revealed it to the public. I also don't like the fact that he revealed it this early. We're still in Night phase, and a lot of stuff can develop overnight. By all means, I would have pulled that move during the next Day phase, when there is indeed a bandwagon forming on Radfield for the lynch, assuming that he is Town. | ||
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On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + Foolishness I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal. Not surprising, and good to know. Whether you tell the truth or not is irrelevant at this point. On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: Now, as you all been waiting for Too bad, I was the only one who questioned it ;/ | ||
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On May 22 2011 11:02 Chezinu wrote: yeah, I tried to get information out of him, but that didn't happen. He was waiting to get me confirmed by Ver. I'm kind of disappointed in myself this game. Based on what you say, you're not the Cupid. You say you started off the game with a Lover though? When was that? A little more precise please. | ||
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There is actually a bunch of stuff that doesn't really add up and I have questions about, but I'm in the middle of my workout right now. I'll post them in an hour or so. | ||
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On May 22 2011 10:51 Chezinu wrote: The Sanity Speaks Out I have an announce I would like to make. I have been pretending to be the traitor the whole game to try and waste the mafia's only attempt at guessing who the traitor is. I started off this game with a lover and I thought to myself, "Why would mafia ever want to be a lover with Chezinu -- that is suicide" So in the beginning, I was thinking maybe my lover is innocent and the mafia were hoping that my lover would accuse me of being mafia. So, I decided to mess with the mafia and with my lover and pretend to be the traitor to see what they would do. . Well, my lover never really accused me in the thread -- maybe they wanted to live themselves. So I went extreme and guess what? Town didn't even accuse me very much nor mafia. So I was thinking maybe they are keeping me around for my destructive behavior. I ended up PMing my lover that I was the traitor before I died by a nuke coming straight after me. AND guess what happened??? I lived!!! So I decided to play along with being a traitor a little longer in hopes that the mafia would waste their guess on me. I think about now they have already used it because my lover has stopped talking to me. Because the mafia will probably protect me again tonight I thought I would reveal my lover in hopes to eliminate both of us. Sadly, I wasn't able to probe out any other mafia members from my lover as I had hoped. Now, as you all been waiting for, my lover is + Show Spoiler + Foolishness I know this is crazy and I don't quite understand the mafia's decision on this either.. but that is how it happened. So hurry up and kill me or foolishness. I might have some explosive secrets to reveal. Let's assume what Chezinu says is true here. Chezinu claims he was paired to Foolishness by the Cupid at the very start of the game when we received our drafted roles. Why would anyone do that? If the Cupid is Mafia, why would he pair Chezinu with one of their own? If the Cupid is Town, this scenario also seems extremely random. It's quite mind boggling. Chezinu also says that he was able to save himself after messaging Foolishness claiming that he is the Traitor. Now this is either bad logic on his part, or a flat out lie. If Foolishness is Mafia, the Mafia would be inclined to bus the nuke away from Chezinu anyways, since his life is linked with Foolishness. Claiming to be the Traitor doesn't mean much to the Mafia; The Traitor doesn't bring extra KP to the table, and doesn't offer any power from of a role to the Mafia, besides having the ability to communicate with them. Now this is how I see it. If Chezinu is Town, and is paired with a Lover; If the Lover is Town, the person would have called out when the nuke was heading for Chezinu, but since this did not happen, the Lover is likely Mafia. It also makes no sense for a Town to make such a claim, unless he is the Traitor. However, we'll have to assume the worse case scenario when we act, as if Chezinu is lying. - If Chezinu is Mafia, and is paired with a Townie, both has to die regardless of who we hit. - If Chezinu is Townie, and is paired with a Mafia, both has to die regardless of who we hit. - If Chezinu is Mafia, and is not paired with anyone. If we hit him, only he will die. If we choose to hit the Lover he claims to have, his "Lover" dies, but Chezinu will not if he lied about the pairing. - If Chezinu is Traitor, and is paired with a Townie; If we hit him, only he will die. If we choose to hit the Lover he claims to have, his "Lover" dies, but Chezinu will not if he lied about the pairing. Which means our best option is to kill Chezinu himself. This eliminates both worst case scenarios. I noticed Chezinu and Foolishness has posted when I am typing up this post. I'm now more inclined to believe what Chezinu has said, but still, play it solid, play it safe Town. Like mentioned yesterday with infinitestory, if Chezinu lives through the night, whoever get's the King's lynch should execute Chezinu right away without delays. Don't bother announcing you are the King. | ||
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On May 22 2011 13:11 infinitestory wrote: Fishball: I think you're missing a case, where exactly one of Foolishness and Chezinu is mafia, and the mafia one has a role that induces a lot of havoc when it dies. I'm looking at the Mad Hatter in particular. Unfortunately, in this case, if we try to kill either of them, we'll have to face some serious repercussions. Both Foolishness and Chez have confirmed the link (or at least, Foolishness has addressed it without denying it). Well, if you're going to include that, might as well include that one of them might get bused to other players, etc. If Mad Hatter is the case, not much we can do unless we just want to just sit back and let them live until we prove that neither of them has that role. But if they do, like I said, not much we can do if we don't have a Role Blocker. Better to kill them now, than later with 5 players left. The bus one we can beat by speed, if we execute fast enough. Clearly I'm just listing the most general situations. Let's not give them too many ideas, OK? | ||
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On May 22 2011 13:14 Foolishness wrote: Does it honestly matter whether we're linked or not? Exactly, infinitestory needs a slap on the head. | ||
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On May 22 2011 13:22 Foolishness wrote: Well GMarshal should have some good information for us. If Chezinu does not flip Mafia, GMarshal's list is shit. Worse case scenario he is Mafia himself. | ||
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On May 22 2011 15:25 bumatlarge wrote: ##Use Police Radio Since you used it, can you tell us what does it do? Ver is probably asleep now, and I'm bored. | ||
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On May 22 2011 16:51 bumatlarge wrote: It's posts all the results of investigative actions last night and the way it was worded means we know exactly who is the target without saying who the DT is. So we get GM's list regardless If he really is that DT. Pretty crazy.Pretty cool... but this is technically a double edge sword as well. There are certain information that we don't want the Mafia to know. Depending on the results, this can be very good or very bad for us. Regardless, what's done is done. It would suck if we only get GM's list, meaning he is the only DT left, or at the very least, the only DT that used an ability last night (which isn't likely). If GM's list does shows up however, we'll at least know his role is legit. | ||
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On May 22 2011 17:59 Eiii wrote: ...why did foolishness not deny that he was chenzu's lover? :s That also boggle my mind. I questioned Chezinu's announcement in my other post, but the exchanges between Chezinu and Foolishness almost convinced me that Chezinu was telling the truth. Good thing infinitestory stuck with the plan. | ||
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On May 22 2011 21:42 Caller wrote: Also, don’t’ forget that there are only 16 players left. There are 6-1=5 mafia + moles + traitor(?). Let’s say for convenience sake there is 1 mole and 1 traitor, so its 9 against 7. I had the same idea early in the game, and was already corrected by others. The 6 Mafia includes the Mole(s), so worse case scenario if we have a Traitor it is 10 vs 6. | ||
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On May 22 2011 23:57 Foolishness wrote: I didn't really confirm I was Chezinu's lover. And actually I denied it more than confirm when I said it wasn't going to save "him" from dying. And as I already stated, who cares if I was linked to Chezinu? We were going to kill him anyway; me denying or confirming would have only been a distraction to the town. I wouldn't risk that. There is still an off chance that your average Townie could have shot you instead of Chezinu. His entire announcement post was an attempt to bus you, claiming that he is likely to be protected and we should kill you instead. Regardless, your alignment is not necessarily in the clear. | ||
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Right now, I'm mainly waiting for Ver's post on the Police Radio. If GMarshal's list comes up, I'm inclined to believe he is legit and will be likely to go through with my vote on Caller; Unless something else comes up from those checks, or I just simply decide to change my mind for a "better candidate". | ||
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On May 23 2011 04:21 Ace wrote: ... If the Scum don't have a Roleblocker and didn't know Radfield was BP then why wasn't he hit? Get it now? Either they already knew he was BP or he's Scum with an alibi for not getting hit while all the other top picks except Caller did get hit. To be fair, not necessarily. On Night 1, Mafia was clearly gunning for the top 2. FW took a hit, Scamp died. Then me and you had a conversation regarding Radfield's role. If the Mafia didn't figure that he was the BP, they might want to risk to take a shot at him. If you're Mafia yourself, the Mafia would have known he is BP anyways. No I'm not going head over to WIFOM land with you, but you get what I mean. Right now, besides Caller, this is my pick. I'd like to think at least two out of three here are Mafia. Mr.Wiggles tnkted Ace | ||
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I guess there is a good reason to switch off Caller for now then. | ||
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On May 23 2011 04:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Besides this, Bum already said he lied about being Watcher. Pfft, we already know he is the fucking Batman. Nothing new. | ||
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On May 23 2011 05:41 bumatlarge wrote: I lied about being watcher because I had the town cred to do so, and I could prevent mafia from making abnormal fakeclaims. Threatening with information would help scare mafia. But my actual role will be more helpful. I dont have anything everyone doesn't already know, but maybe after tonight I can provide a service in the form of KP to town. I have my targets in my scope, I just need to figure out how to pull the trigger...  GM and myself are pretty reasonably town. I'll let caller and fishball argue about how they got framed. We got a nice free lynch on tnkted, and we also know we have a lovely amount of DTs. Glad our town is smart. Mafia couldn't have known about the radio and tnkted had no reason to be covered while not on the last list iirc? Easy peezy. Also infy's same thing is interesting. Hopeful that cop is getting good info. I got framed? When did that happen. | ||
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On May 25 2011 09:48 bumatlarge wrote: Chaoser, as soon as you get back here, say my role please. I need a proper entrance. Take your pick | ||
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On May 25 2011 13:35 Ver wrote: Wait, something's not right here. My bad, we planted that evidence on him. Ace the Mafia Capitalist was killed in the name of justice. Your dull reactions suck! Carry on with the day as normal. Only BC figured out it was a joke, mocking Bang Bang Mafia. I only recognized the "I only talk with my guns" quote, but nothing else. I don't think you should expect other players to figure it out, especially when some of them were never in that game the first place | ||
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GM being alive this far is like screaming I'm the Mole, but no one noticed until the very very end. Qatol already pointed out why, so I won't be following up with all the small details. After Day 4, some "facts" that were used by the remaining players on analysis were just false. That made me cringe. Good thing Radfield was able to pick up most of the "common sense" from there. I just hope he can doubt himself less after making a statement throughout the game. | ||
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On May 29 2011 14:33 Qatol wrote: The biggest hit the mafia took was nobody selected traitor. Honestly, Ver and I balanced this game around an assumption that traitor would be selected (considering it was picked by multiple people in both PYP2 and PYP3). I thought about it, but it is less appealing in this game, and is harder to be recruited. | ||
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After I died, on MSN and PM. | ||
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I don't know what you're getting at. | ||
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On May 29 2011 15:56 Foolishness wrote: I just want you to make some snappy pun with my name like you usually do I'm not foolish enough to make the same pun twice. | ||
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Might as well just throw random stuff out there, in chronological order. - I planned my game with the potential that I'm the Mole. Kingmaker fits my agenda quite well. It can help Town or Mafia tremendously depending on how I choose to use it. - My early Mafia list during the first cycle was Mr. Wiggles, Chezinu, Incognito, and tnkted. - I made Mr. Wiggles the King on purpose, to further test things out, and was pretty confident he was Mafia when he choose to lynch OriginalName, outside of the list. - List for Night 1 King candidates + Show Spoiler + 1. Mr.Wiggles 2. Ace 3. Infinitestory 4. bumatlarge 5. Chezinu 6. Caller 7. GMarshal 8. kitaman27 9. Chaoser 10. Dreamflower - Started to doubt Incognito was Mafia during the lynch, but it was too late to reverse anything at that point and was just going to let things play out. Started to suspect Ace after he killed Incognito and Incognito flipped green. The last minute vote switch on KillerSOS, which resulted in a dead green, gave Ace the perfect reason to hit Incognito. - Chezinu made his Lover announcement, but not without a lot of flaws. Foolishness's reaction wasn't all that exciting either. - Infinitestory was the original one who voiced on having the option of King lynching Chezinu. I had a strong town read on him, so I made him King, while ensuring that he will lynch Chezinu as soon as possible in case of a Bus Driver. Infinitestory talks too much by the way; Learn to Ninja. - List for Night 2 King candidates + Show Spoiler + 1. Infinitestory 2. bumatlarge 3. GMarshal 4. Caller - Started to doubt Mr. Wiggles was Mafia after reading his argument with Ace, and tnkted echoing here and there. I was pretty convinced Ace was Mafia at this point due to some obvious flaws in his arguments. He has also been smooth talking to me the entire game. Basically, I know something is up, and he knows I knows something is up, but we just don't really go at each other throats in public. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2011 04:35 Fishball wrote: I'd like to think at least two out of three here are Mafia. Mr.Wiggles tnkted Ace - I went Kaboom. Ace sends me a pm + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sd6ED.jpg) - If I had not die, there will only be one King candidate the next Day, which would be bumatlarge. I was hoping we would have ninja killed Ace right there. No matter, Batman did his job. - I would have flipped if Town had not lynch Caller. Good thing they did. | ||
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On May 29 2011 16:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So what's with everyone accusing me of being scum on day 1? :p Will this become a trend? I'm sure that most people that are accusing you being scum have legitimate reasons... | ||
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On May 29 2011 17:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, they most probably do, I just find it a bit funny that there's a special prevalence on day 1 for it. :p Pick Your Power Insane: Town + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 06:25 Kavdragon wrote: Upon further review, there is nothing of much significance with Mr.Wiggles. He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. Sleeper Cell Mafia: Town + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi. Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles taking a quick look at his posts I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS TL Mafia XXXVIII: Assassin, accusation made by mafia + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Ignoring the running for mayor for a minute (as our main goal *is* killing scum, remember?) I wrote up a nice little PbP on one of my current scum suspects Mr.Wiggles. Each post is in spoilers and my comments are in bold as usual + Show Spoiler + Don't worry too much, this shouldn't be as active as insane, because, well, Insane was Insane. Hopefully people won't spam that much in this game, and I'd even like to put in a request that people try to limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add to the conversation. People who just quote others, and say "I agree", or repeat the same things as others have already brought up, are perfect examples of "contributing without contributing", and that's a scum-tell. You know this is a great way to "contribute without contributing" you state a commonly known scum tell and say no spam please... well, duh. Still I can put this off as directing new players + Show Spoiler + Well this isn't technically night because no one takes actions. That said, there isn't much to talk about because we can't start mayoral campaigns. This means we're limited to mostly talking about general strategy and trying to establish a town policy, like no spam/try to contribute and add to the conversation, and other guidelines we'd like to put into place. Rehash of basic ideas, check! + Show Spoiler + Well if you're posting your own thoughts, then that's meaningful AND relevant, haha. But 9000 posts of cats in top hats and monocles wouldn't be. And saying "I agree" after every post isn't really contributing. If you want to agree with someone, at least add your own thought process as to why, and give some kind of explanation. That way you can look for mafia trying to make stuff up too. Spam is bad! No duh, but then again people were posting this kind of nonsense all night 0 so its not indicative + Show Spoiler + My thoughts on inactives: Don't lynch inactives, lynch lurkers. I guess it depends on your definition of inactive, but inactive for me, is someone who's not even playing the game, and has little to no posts. For me, the better choice is to pressure lurkers, who come in and post a couple times, then disappear. I think these are the people we should really be afraid of. They're a lot more dangerous, because by maintaining only a slight activity threshold to appease the town, they're easily able to hide amongst the masses. So personally, I'd rather lynch the guy who comes in twice a cycle to post a couple sentences, than Johnny-No-Posts who's not even playing the game. Lurkers want to hide behind a minimum of activity, inactives aren't even playing. (<--- My Take) I'm going to watch for people acting like that. well this *looks* like a contribution, but its a repost of an argument that town agrees on since time immemorial, its like posting "you should build drones" in response to "how do I macro better?" + Show Spoiler + Also, I think mafia would be more prone to trying to manipulate the town, whereas assassins would probably leave town be while focusing on finding the other assassins. So if you have two players kind've the same, but one is trying to manipulate the lynches and the other isn't, then you can differentiate them. an actual point! Yay! ok, nothing more to see here + Show Spoiler + As others have said, I think voting a black in is lose-lose. There's no guarantee he'll do anything to really help us, and then we lose our mayor/pardoner. something I agree with, fair enough Also, as far as medicing him goes, I think we can just drop the discussion on that until Day 2. Assassins can't do anything night one, so unless mafia wants to hit him, there's no need to waste a medic on him. If he still wants to negotiate for kills later, then we can do that when he's actually in a position to kill. However, just to add to that quickly, he's actually useless to town if he's not mayor/pardoner, because if he says he's hitting a town chosen target, mafia can just RB him, because he's outed himself publicly. So, we don't want him in office, and he can't help us out of office. again a really valid point, I have exactly one objection to it, the fact that after concluding that he is useless out of office he still talks about negotiating with the assassin, its an interesting contradiction So, overall, I don't think he can help town much, besides giving all the other assassins a non-town target for night 2. Right now, I'm most comfortable picking either GMarshal or Dr.H for mayor. I've gotten the strongest town reads from them, and they've both shown they're not afraid of trying to look for scum and lead town in the right direction. Yay! ^ My thoughts. + Show Spoiler + Don't hit the most inactive, that's stupid. The most inactive is likely not even playing the game, or they're just going to get Modkilled. If we want to do a policy lynch on activity, do it on a lurker. You call a lurker someone contributing without contributing, but with the amount of newer players in the game, that might not be the best deciding factor for day 1. I'd say lynch someone who was really active earlier in the game, like pregame, or night 0, and who has completely disappeared with only a minimum of posts by the end of day 1. This is a decent point, +1 townie point for it kind sir + Show Spoiler + How am I lurking? I'm just not rehashing the exact same points as everyone else over and over again. I was going to bring up some of the reasons I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal, but they were already raised by others, so instead of just repeating what's already been said three times I mentioned that protac isn't going to be useful to us at all if he doesn't get elected, so we shouldn't waste medics on him, just leave him for the other assassins to use hits on, keeping them off of town Alright this is a fair defense of my "lurking" accusation, however in his previous posts he made exactly one good point, that being about the assassin + Show Spoiler + And now that I think of it, there's other assassin, who may or may not be using their KP on the same night, on different or similar targets. So, there's no way to tell if mafia used all four hits or not. Meaning, it's easy for red to use one of their KPs as the "assassin" KP. I do believe this was already mentioned, neutral read on this post + Show Spoiler + The assassins are going to turn into the Item Game of Insane 2.... I was scum that game, so what I did, was try to keep everyone focused on the item game and away from actual analysis. I see the same thing starting to happen now, where town is going to latch onto the assassin game and get too distracted from everything else when it should be a non-issue... this is a very, very good point and one I agree with, +1 townie point for him Anyways, Why giving out both the names of the bodyguards is not a very good idea: At their core, the bodyguard and pardoner are supposed to be very powerful roles that we would like to get a hold of and use for the benefit of the town. When used correctly, these roles seem like they'd be more than capable of wreaking havoc on the mafia and bringing town victory. yeah, we know this, this is kind of filler If no mafia are elected into office, and they are not confident that they can sway the mayor easily, the best course of action for the reds is to kill the mayor/pardoner. In order to do so, they must first kill the two bodyguards. These bodyguards are unrevealed to the town and mafia, so first mafia need to find them as well. again, I think this is obvious Now, you, Pandain, want to reveal the bodyguards to everyone. Why? To ostensibly put trackers on them in order to catch any assassins/mafia who want to take a shot at the mayor. However, doing this is cringe-worthy to say the least. So why wouldn't it work out? Mafia have four KP, and there are supposedly two other assassins. This means, that if there are no medics, that mafia can kill the two bodyguards as well as the mayor and pardoner in one fell swoop. So, what we'd achieve, is the entire public office dead, traded at the cost of one mafia revealed. The only way to counteract that, would be if we now, IN ADDITION to our trackers, put medic protection on the bodyguards as well. So, you're asking us to focus all of our blue power on two people. But then we just get into a WIFOM spiral where we need to decide to protect either the bodyguards to the detriment of all other pro-town players or other players to the detriment of our bodyguards and mayor/pardoner. This is an actual good point +1 town point In my opinion, this becomes too convoluted to even work with, when compared to keeping the bodyguards known only to the mayor/pardoner. In other words, a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + Forgot assassin. I'd be willing to let him in as pardoner, but not mayor. Dr.H/protac interesting, Wiggles said "I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal" but now he is ok with a black pardoner... it is noteworthy, and if kav's theory that Pro is actualy red holds true then very, very revealing + Show Spoiler + No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? same questions I ask, after I asked them... slightly scummy, but it could be down to simultaneous posts Conclusion: Lurking he adds a total of two new ideas by my count and his best post is the one focused on not exposing the bgs, I'm having a hard time labeling him as anything. Hence I suggest we all keep an eye on him and make him post more, I'm leaning slightly more towards scum than town atm, but I need more to analyze TL Mafia XXXVII: Cop + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2011 09:21 Ser Aspi wrote: how nice of you to pop up with this laughably confused post. "not entirely convinced" about annul, huh? Well of ur 10 in game posts (lets compare this to 30 pre-game spam posts now) ur whole agenda has been subtly pushing doubt on aggressive people in general, then proceeding to softly cast doubt on annul. Then you quote gryffindor when he connects annul to GMarshal without adding any insight. What the heck are you trying to do here? Combined with the above quoted post, this is absolutely scummy. If you think one of GMarshal/gryf is scum, why aren't you voting for them? If gryf connected GMarshall and annul, why do you NOT have annul in your "probably scum" pile? if you think lynching annul will clear up the thread, why not vote for gryffindor, who fits both categories of a) spamming up the thread, and b) you think is "probably scum"? Your logic reaks of scum. Burn the witch. ##Unvote Vote## Mr. Wiggles These were the last 4 games I've played where I wasn't scum, all marked by a day 1 scum accusation. Wondering if there's anything specific I'm doing that seems to trigger scum alarms so frequently. :p Your past games don't matter. If people are accusing you every time then you're probably doing something wrong every time. I only recall playing with you in this game, and your play is really scummy. | ||
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On May 29 2011 22:14 Ace wrote: 6.) Townies really really really need to stop this ridiculous behavior of posting "pro-town lists" on the first day of the game. Also stop this stupid thing about meta. 90% of you don't understand what it is. Just because a guy acts different from a game he played before it doesn't make him suspicious. Just incredibly WASTEFUL posts. These posts were one of the reasons no one could find scum - 20 people with pro-town lists on Day 1 and Day 2 means 20 people are clueless and talking about nothing. 7.) STOP the Post By Post Analysis. Seriously no one reads it because chances are YOU ARE WRONG. Why? Because you're nitpicking. There were a few posts in the game that correctly broke down a scum motive and they got ignored. Then there were these silly posts where people picked out every damn post a guy made, made some stuff up, and concluded they are scum. STOP IT. It's silly and it makes the game so much easier for scum. Not to mention it makes you so easy to lynch because once I know where you reads are I just dig in later because you're all over the place. . 6. Can't agree more, and pretty much why I don't give a shit on Day 1 "analysis". Random accusations are just flying everywhere. Incognito finger pointed a lot, mentioned me maybe once or twice, FW said I was "useless as usual", and Radfield also questioned my existence early on. Seriously. 7. I think I've only read less than a hand full of these type of posts among all the games I've played. In short, I ignore them most of the time. On May 30 2011 00:18 tnkted wrote: All the people that had me on their scumlists after they died should have posted that shit in the thread before we killed them; I was on townie lists all game until I got caught in one of GM's lists. I don't know who else had you on their scum list, and I did mention your name once before I died, before I even saw the Police Radio post which was posted five minutes before I hit post on mine. I've specifically mentioned three times in the thread that I'm waiting till Day 3 to disclose more information, as if I'm Mole, I don't want to expose my potential teammates early on, let alone make solid cases against them. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 11:09 Fishball wrote: The more claims there are, the happier the Mafia is. If I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 12:40 Fishball wrote: I'm taking my vote off KillerSOS. I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more. I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 14:26 Fishball wrote: This is so tempting for me to speak. But I shall resist! Hell I even voted for you when you guys jumped on the KillerSOS train. kitaman27 was the last person to jump on the train, but I voted you instead. Everything I've worked on in this game was stuff already put on the table. I was able to establish a very strong Town figure out of it. If I were the Mole, the game could have been a lot more interesting. | ||
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