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On May 16 2011 07:20 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 07:10 Incognito wrote:
Whoever gets Bad Santa should choose
Ace
Flamewheel
Foolishness
Dreamflower
Incognito
why
Presumably because they are solid, experienced players. Obviously Bad Santa should make their own decisions though, as any recommendation could be from a mafia player.
Also, speak up Incog. We've discussed all this role business before, so why are you not weighing in now?
Bumatlarge, I don't think we should be trying to organize the town picking list the way you are. Obviously if people actually took according to the categories you laid out, mafia would just kill everyone in the 'mafia hunting' category since there are no defensive roles there. Much better to let townies decide for themselves whether to take investigative, defensive, or offensive roles. Townies outside the top 6 should take whatever they want, as long as it's not on the No-Pick list.
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Sorry if it covers some things that have already been talked about. Radfield: Even if Flamewheel isn't willing to take thief, it would still work if we just shifted everything down a position, right?
It would, except I'm fairly certain neither Deconduo or Caller will take any role assigned to them. Fortunately, that doesn't matter too much, as bum's suggestion works fairly well:
FW - CJ/rockstar (what he said)
Scamp - inventor/defense
Caller - Thief (hes probably going to pick traitor though or something)
Barundar - Caller GF
Radfield - Vote rigger (im assuming he would follow his own plan here)
now, caller probably won't take thief, and we're still missing CPR doc, which is a great role for mafia. Barundar, you may want to think about randomizing your role, and taking either Caller GF or CPR Doc. I will take vote rigger, and GM Marshall(number 6 pick) can hopefully take the thief. I think this leaves us in decent shape:
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2. Scamp - Inventor
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4. Barundar - Caller GF or CPR Doc
5 Radfield - Vote Rigger
6. GM Marshall - Thief
7-25 Any Pro-Town role they feel like, with a heavy emphasis on investigative and defensive powers. In General town should be avoiding KP roles in an effort to prolong the game. I'd really like to see 5 or 6 investigative roles make it in though.
Someone please take capitalist. It is fantastic for both town and mafia, so hopefully a townie takes it high up.
Players at the bottom should not be afraid to try and take really great roles. Oftentimes very strong town roles don't get picked, because players towards the end of the draft are afraid to double up with someone and end up vanilla.
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On May 16 2011 09:01 Foolishness wrote:
These plans for the top 5-8 players to pick roles is retarded in it's current form.
If flamewheel/Caller/whoever don't agree to take their designated role (assuming we have a consensus on what roles they should take) we need to lynch them, no questions asked. What's to stop Scamp for all of a sudden posting "hey guys, I'm going to take Hero or Assassin (or whatever role he might want) sorry"? Are you just going to shift down the important role list even further? Yawn. Waste of time.
People are going to pick whatever they want to pick. I'm not opposed to general guidelines, such as town should focus on DT related roles or survival roles, whatever, but assigning roles to the top 5 players is just silly. If you are going to go that route, we should have everyone claim as soon as the picks are out. Either everyone should claim or no one should claim (that includes assigning roles before the picks). Nothing in between.
No one should claim. Any plans laid out are for pre-selection only. Once the actual role selection takes place, no one should tell anyone anything about their role. The only exception is if the information you might reveal is very beneficial to town.
Having said this, I almost guarantee a few people will state they got a role, or got vanilla, or whatever. I really hope not though.
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On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote:
Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question.
Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game?
Im going to answer this by saying: sort of.
The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game.
Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it.
We should play like this is a normal game. Any time to focus on roles is over for the time being, until, as ace says, we start getting claims. There is no guarantee that there are any good blue roles at all in the game, so that's the way we need to play it. Once night comes, we can make all sorts of medic lists, dt check lists, etc, but we can't rely on them in any way, since we don't know if those roles are in the game. The focus now is on scum-hunting and the lynch.
However, we have several important results moving forward:
- Anyone found with a role on the 'No-Pick' list should be outted and lynched. There is no reason for a townie to have any of these roles.
- Anyone who took America and nukes should be lynched
- Anyone who is made King and lynches without the towns approval should be killed
These last two are simply too powerful for mafia to use the power and make a kill, and then talk their way out of it. We need a hard rule on this now before it happens.
It's possible that Scamp should claim if he took Inventor. We probably have protective roles in the game, and definitely have the threat of having protective roles, so he can likely be protected. Thoughts?
On May 16 2011 17:55 Ace wrote:
you guys are throwing suspicions around like knives, be careful with those things! You Too.
I think the chances that Chezinu took Bomber Man, regardless of his alignment, are like 10/10.
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On May 16 2011 15:45 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2011 15:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On May 16 2011 15:28 Ace wrote:On May 16 2011 14:29 OriginalName wrote:
Ok now that 48 hours of wifom is over I have a question.
Is going through pregame really worth the amount of effort over results or should we play this like a normal game?
Im going to answer this by saying: sort of.
The biggest reason behind this are plans proposed by Radfield and Batman both are basically the same thing. Pro-town plans to attempt to control roles. When has this ever worked in PYP? Never, invariably someone always effs it up. So why bother with wifom, the only real analysis done on actual people was done by Caller, so really I think our best move is to play the game like a really blue heavy normal game.
Im liable to think somebody who suggested a no-pick list is scum just because it looks towny on the outside, control is a scum style so why let them get away with it.
Well we do play it like a "normal" game until the first role claim comes out  Once that comes out and depending on the position the player was in we debate whether it's a falseclaim or not, or even if the person is worth lynching. With so many information roles I'm sure things are going to be kicking off very soon. Day 2 will be interesting then. I'm going to say, that we shouldn't drop everything that was discussed before the day started, and that in fact, some people are already making use of it. Incognito expressed a suspicion in Node and then retracted it immediately. Caller later stated that he believes Node is mafia. From what's happened pre-game until role PMs, Incog now suspects GM enough to call for a hit on him. So, whether these suspicions are able to be substantiated or not aside, we still have information, if solely in the fact that these people were brought up as suspicious, and that Incog and Caller were so quick to start pointing out who they believe are scum. So, I'm going to say we shouldn't ignore what happened before Role Pms went out, because there is definitely information there. I'm also interested in hearing from Node again, because he was mentioned twice, and has since disappeared, only making two, very small posts. Well whether we hear from Node or not doesn't mean anything just because his name was mentioned twice. Incognito has been pushing suspicions around already. Either he has more information than we do or he is smarter than the rest of us (read: me). Needless to say I think he's just bullshitting around so far.
I'm disappointed you didn't take Dirty Cop. No one calls out a bullshitter like you do Ace
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I agree with everything Foolishness is saying.
This is a quote from one of Incognito's post game wrap-ups:
So rough recap of town’s goals:
1) Get useful information. Provide an accusation with reasoning. Generate discussion by pointing out interesting details and irregularities in people’s posts and find out why players feel that way. Don’t let people off the hook for bizarre statements. You want to know what they’re thinking and why.
2) Create an ideal atmosphere. You don’t want an atmosphere of confusion, mistrust, and doubt. You want an atmosphere of clarity, direction, and focus.
3) Figure out your plans/direction. Mafia don’t give themselves up that easily. Town needs to establish methods of finding and systematically destroying mafia. This ties into the next point:
4) Bully the town to your way of thinking. Coupled with strong analysis, you need to ensure that the mafia fear you and that you can command influence. Make sure nobody can stay neutral, so that you can increase your influence while weeding out scum.
Incognito so far has decided to do pretty much the opposite of this so far. Maybe he's the VI, maybe he's playing above my level, but so far his play has been very contradictory to points 1 or 2.
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It's possible that the reason Incognito is proposing his vote rigging plan is because he took the M2DT role and wants the vote rigger to follow his plan. Either way, that's for the vote rigger to decide, so there's no point in discussing it.
As far as our day 1 lynch goes, we need to be wary of the Copy Cat role. I think in both PYP games I've played, copy cat was taken by mafia. With a town strategy of role denial, this is again a likely choice for mafia. As such, I think the top players in the draft should not be the focus of our Day 1 lynch. I also realize that I'm in the top part of the draft, so my bias is clear, but hopefully my reasoning makes sense.
Therefore, if you want to build a case against someone in the top 6-8 picks(as I do), I recommend you wait until Day 2, when the Copy Cat role has been allocated.
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If I was mafia, I would want to collide my numbers with at least one, possibly two other mafia players. First, for whatever reason town players think this is unlikely. Second, there is very little downside for the mafia, they avoid the top of the list(where the most attention is focused) and still get whatever roles they want, as we have a huge no-pick list as town. Any non-super-vet near the bottom of the list will not likely be role-checked, so they safely have a good pro-mafia role, and some cover by clashing with each other.
I'm not saying that the mafia definitely clashed, but simply that there are decent reasons for a couple mafia players to do so. Also the fact that ~5 players picked [4] and ~5 players picked [9] makes it slightly more likely in my mind that mafia clashed with themselves on purpose. blah blah blah wifom blah wifom. Arggg.
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On May 17 2011 07:46 deconduo wrote:
Why are people voting for Fishball?
Fishball has 1 vote, and that player explained his vote.
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On May 17 2011 07:30 bumatlarge wrote:
If you don't know what to post and you are town, just copy GMarshal. Write whatever you feel will help town, and even if it's awful, we can more easily determine your alignment. Not saying GM is faw shaw townie, but he isn't on my scumdar at all.
Agreed. GMarshal has been fairly pro-town all game. He started by spotlighting himself and moved on to a consistent defense of his plan(which was sound in general, but poor in the details).
Mr Wiggles on the other hand just had a very long winded semi-defense. Well Done.
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Scamp? Are you there? Anything to add to the general discussion? I'd like you to know that i'm operating under the general impression that you drafted Inventor. Therefore, if something ambiguous or anti-town is invented tonight, I'll probably push for your lynch. However, if you didn't take Inventor, it's possible you may want to state that outright.
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On May 17 2011 08:44 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 08:31 kitaman27 wrote:
deconduo
-Announces he will select the "fun role" rather than following any set plan
-Makes no comments on the set-up, but promises to play "pro-town" later on
-Claims to choose his numbers in order to appear at the middle/end of the draft
-Publicly informs that he is considering traitor and VI. Then mentions that traitor is "too risk". Why does he find it necessary to inform us that he is considering taking a role mafia would never pick?
-Weirdly defends Fishball above
He has my vote for now. I'll post more later.
Actually I think lynching me isn;t a bad idea. I have a feeling I'm a mole. Also I didn't get any role so I don't mind too much.
Man, the only other game we've played together Decon, you were helpful, active, patient, pro-town and reasonable. And you were scum, and shot me night 1.
This game you're anything but, so I assume you're town.
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OK, sure Barundar is an excellent lynch target, but I'd much rather lynch further down the list today, and we have plenty of excellent targets lower town. An alignment check on him tonight should do the trick anyways.
Kavdragon is putting in lots of effort, and making mistakes. If anything this looks pro-town, not anti-town.
Incongito is too great a town asset to lynch off his Day 1 behavior, especially since he claims he's been out of town. (By the way, I appreciate that you ignored all my posts and then called me an invisible poster )
On May 17 2011 15:07 Eiii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 12:53 infinitestory wrote:Oh, speaking of which, I'd actually like to apply some pressure myself. + Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 10:31 Eiii wrote:
Oh man, decon just made himself the perfect placeholder vote candidate. Or maybe even a good lynch candidate! :D You haven't been posting much, and you suddenly appear to simply bandwagon deconduo. Generally, placeholder votes are put on yourself, by the way; right now, it looks like you're just voting without caring who you're voting for. The lynch is important. It's a reliable way to weed out mafia, given that people vote intelligently. What is your reason for voting deconduo? Do you believe he is mafia? (If not, who are you watching?) Do I think decon is mafia? Probably not, after pulling a post like that. Do I think that there's a decent chance we're going to lynch mafia today if we ignore decon? Nope. Do I think that lynching someone who's either VI or a townie with apparently no role who's lost interest in the game and probably won't contribute much is better than tunneling in on one or two 'suspicious' posts from an active player or one who looks lurk-y now for whatever reason but could hold a helpful role or perk up and contribute more in the next few days? Definitely. Look, I don't ever have much confidence in day 1 lynches. Like ace has said, it just seems like sifting through peoples' posts and emphasizing possible reasons that they *could* be scum. I don't see anything that makes me especially confident that we're on the right track today and I'm pretty clueless so far as well. At best decon is VI and we take him out of the game early and avoid lynching someone green tonight. At best-best mafia is retarded, and decon is a red zombie or something. At worst decon is for some crazy reason lying and actually holds the most useful role in the world but decided to tell us to kill him just for fun. Probably decon actually did have a specific set of roles he wanted to play and he wasn't able to pick any up, so he's not that interested in playing the game. In terms of people I think are scummy, I think caller and chez have been posting pretty dumb things, but that's about all I've got 
I think you're wrong here Eiii, lynching easy targets(like non-contributing or inactive players) only helps the mafia by giving them an easy out. We have an absolute ton of info so far, and a decent chance of killing scum today, better in my mind than any other normal game, since we basically have a 96 hour Day 1.
Easy targets who give us nothing at this point: Deconduo, KillerSOS, Fishball(hello? FIshball? Are you there? Are you playing?)
OriginalName: Tentative, Spammy, Jokey, One Liners.... even has a standard medium length contributy post which says almost nothing. Unfortunately he has been called out by several other scummy players, so he could just be an easy target.
Mr Wiggles: Did a small amount of leg-work looking at roles, Medium sized posts with minimal info, recapping, content to continue discussing plans and roles. Best of all, he makes a very long-winded post after getting called out, which is full of various themes. A good target
tknted: So far I'm undecided. Contributed a few ideas, and a bit of his own opinions which is good. Yet to weigh in on the lynch. Please post more.
Node: Decent target. Talks about the mafia over and over, what they would do, why they would do, how they would do. Then proceeds to spam it up, direct suspicion at chezinu(always a safe play). He also semi-defends Kurumi, which is good, since kurumi is an easy target to pick on from the looks of things.
There is also one other player on my list, who I think is the most likely to be scum and our best target. I would rather not pressure him/her right now though, because I want to see what they do on their own.
In the absence of talking about my last target, I think the best lynch for the moment is Mr. Wiggles. Anyone agree or disagree?
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Also, as for chaoser being scum, he has stated he is fairly busy IRL until Tuesday. I'm always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt as far as real life stuff goes. There's plenty of time to deal with him in the future.
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Thinking more about it, maybe it doesn't make sense to be avoiding lynching in the top of the list. With all the pro-mafia roles out there, it's unlikely mafia took copy cat off the No-Pick list. I've run out of time right now, but Barundar is ultra-scummy. I highly encourage players to look through his posts(particularly his medium-long posts). If no one does the leg-work right now, I'll build a case against him Night 1(or maybe later today if I get the time and it's not too late in Day 1).
Kitaman27, what do you think of lynching Barundar?
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Might as well get the ball rolling.
##Vote Barundar
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Ace calling people bullshitters free of charge. I love this game
Just to be clear Ace, you think our best lynch target for today is Incognito?
As far as Barundar, let me clarify that i'm not saying Barundar has dropped serious scumtells, or that any single post points to scum. But rather that all his posts, taken as a whole, do not point to a pro-town player.
Why Barundar is scum in four posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2011 21:00 Barundar wrote:
Some interesting thoughts already, I’ll see if I can add anything.
Regarding the setup: We know there is 6 mafia total, including mules. If we assume there is at least 1 mule, and probably 2, this leaves a mafia team consisting of 4 to 5 members. This put certain limits to the options for mafia with regards to strategy.
One possible mafia strategy is to pick an abundance of killing roles and carpet bomb the town in the hope of finishing the game fast, before detectives can get checks in and town can get reads on people. I don’t think mafia will choose this road, they only have 4-5 members, they don’t know the identity of mules, the plan is highly volatile because of medic saves + veterans, and lack of godfather/framer leaves them vulnerable.
On the other hand, 1 KP is very little in a 25 player game. With this many detective roles, they can’t afford a long drawn out game. It’s in my opinion safe to assume that mafia will aim for at least 1 extra KP role a la CPR doc. Hence it might be worth it to deny them the strongest KP roles, but there is absolutely no reason to assign every KP role. There is quite frankly stronger mafia alternatives.
Lastly I’d like to point to the fact that in every PYP so far the traitor has been picked by a townie. It’s safe to assume someone will be a jackass in this game as well. So we are really looking at a 7 person mafia team.
Regarding number picking, clashes was a great way to divide people in to groups in PYP3. While the randomness usually guarantee mafia a top spot, since they can blanket pick a range of numbers without clashing with each others, it also split the players into small groups with 1 mafia in each nicely (no one picks 4, everyone picks 7, true story).
@radfield
I will follow a plan assigning thief + the very most powerful mafia roles to the top spots, but in PYP3 there was a strong resistance towards following any sort of plan. I disagree with some of your picks on the lynch list, which I think can be fairly ok for a townie, but that is specifics. I’ll hopefully be able to give better feedback once I’ve thought some more of it.
This is the first post that rang some bells. Mainly because it's a very long post, but doesn't say a particularly large amount. No conclusions are drawn, generally he is very agreeable(which is good) and talks about generalities mostly. Mind you, this is the beginning of the game, so there isn't a ton to talk about. The most telling part of this post is that he promises to 'give better feedback' in the future, but never does.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 01:09 Barundar wrote:My thoughts so far today: @Incognito votes, I don't see what he is doing as more than putting pressure on people, which is just one way to gather information. I would like some more reasons for voting Kurumi though, as Kurumi got himself mislynched day 1, when put under pressure in the current standard game. On the other hand he writes in a way so I can only make sense of half of it. @GM I can't talk for others, but I noticed that you suggested a plan that involves #6 to pick thief, but when you end up #6 yourself, and people assign you thief, you respond with: Show nested quote +My mayor issue with this "select roles for spots" deal now is the fact that the draft order is already out, meaning that the mafia is free to propose whatever they wish, and land whatever juicy roles they want. I find it curious that when your own proposition corresponds to the one you get offered, you shoot it down as mafia influenced. @OriginalName I can't help but notice you stay silent through the first 48 hours when we discuss plans, but when the planning phase is over, you go out and question if the planning is worth it in your first substantial post. And in the same post you manage to call control plans both pro town and anti town.
This post starts the general trend: Recapping. Sure looks like he's saying alot, but there is very little substance here. He's wishy washy about Kurumi, soft-defending him then soft-attacking him. He pokes at GMarshall for a niggly detail, despite the fact that GM explained his postition just fine. Finishes with a sensible attack on OriginalName, who at this point is an extremely easy target to pick on.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 16:11 Barundar wrote:Seems like you have all forgotten about the copy cat. With our first lynch we have an excellent opportunity to let the town decide what role the copy cat gets. If we lynch a vanilla, like deconduo claims to be, we effectively let scum decide who they want the copy cat to be, an easy choice is to just shoot into the top and grap a free role. Now I have no idea if copy cat went to mafia this time, but it certainly did last time I played. For the same reason I would be against lynching Scamp. He is number 2 pick, he is bound to have a sick role. If we give that role to the copy cat, we just end up with a sick role in an unknown position. I agree scamp is suspicious, but we will have to deal with him another day. Third, it helps us absolutely nothing to have ~10 suspects day 1. We won't get any information from being spread out like this, list checkers won't have anything to work with, and no one feels pressured. Not to mention with a multitude of targets, scum is going to pick who is going to get lynched, simple as. We don't need new suspects with every post, sorry to use you as an example GM, but you post you will have a look at KillerSOS, and 10 minutes later you have a finished analysis dubbing him scum. Next on your list is Dreamflower. Do you expect to nail the whole freaking team half a day into day 1? Have a look at the voting thread. So far we have: + Show Spoiler [current votes] +Incognito: 3
Ace, infinitestory, Foolishness
deconduo: 3
kitaman27, Node, Eiii
chaoser: 2
bumatlarge, incognito
cheznu: 1
Fishball
GMarshal: 1
chaoser
Fishball: 1
kurumi
KillerSoS: 1
GMarshal
Mr.Wiggles: 1
Kavdragon
scamp: 1
deconduo 9 targets in total. 6 people with 1 vote. Now I'm sure all of you have an excellent reason for why exactly your target is scum, but it clearly isn't convincing to the rest of us. So will you please consider joining one of the other targets? I don't want to limit discussion, and if you find someone obvious scum by all means go for it, but the way this is heading we won't get much useful information going into day 2. The three leading targets is incognito, deconduo and chaoser. Of the three I'm the least inclined to vote for deconduo for the reasons stated above. Chaoser has been dropping a bunch of one liners despite claiming to be busy. Yet the votes on incognito are the most convincing, I doubt both Ace and Foolishness would be mafia for balance purposes. I'd like to hear a better reasoning for incognitos votes than "I brought up the vote rigger combo idea, hence I must be town". Lastly I could be convinced to a policy lynch on cheznu. Whatever role he have, I'm sure it would disappoint the Copy Cat.
Huge Post. Complete Recap. Very very little substance, and zero risk. Even has a vote count and a policy lynch in there.
Yes, spreading out our day 1 votes is bad. This is obvious but worth stating. Let me be clear again, that what he is saying in this post makes sense, but the problem is that it goes nowhere. He encourages town, he offers advice, but he does not get his hands dirty. Read the last paragraph: Recap and conjecture, nothing risky, nothing opinionated, a few polite questions. Add to this a policy lynch on Chezinu.... after 96 hours of playtime it's not time to advocate a policy lynch.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2011 19:01 Barundar wrote:
Well I came back fully expecting a bandwagon on me. I know it's controversial that I'm saying you need to stop bringing in new targets constantly, and actually focus on the ones we have, but really, it serves no purpose. We had all yesterday to throw accusations around, now its time to reconcile. Chances are, some of the targets already brought up are fully legit. Why does everyone think they are smarter than everyone else? flamewheel there is no pressure in just one vote, albeit I admit it made node post. Caller you place a FoS, albeit it might have been justified, I fail to see how you make the jump from pointing a finger of suspicion into placing a vote for him. You are sure he is mafia now or what?
Incognito you post that we have a lot of information now, and that we should read over the thread tomorrow. What about we read over the thread now, and actually decide on the targets that has something on them? I don't see the point of just being content with the current situation, that really only favors scum.
Last post and we see an outraged townie at his best. "Hey Town! Smarten up and scum hunt" while not attempting to follow his own advice in the least. A note for flame, a note for caller, a note for Incog. No scum hunting, no risks, no opinions. Simply recapping what other people have done and are doing, and not attempting to further the discussion in a measurable way.
Four long posts, and very little real substance telling us what Barundar actually thinks. There is good advice here, and some very pro-town points... but no pro-town actions.
Do people disagree with this assessment. Is there more to Barundars play than good general advice and pro-town words? What am I missing here?
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Kavdragon, you need to cool it and not respond to every single attack against you. Someone will always disagree with what you say, and keep in mind that some people are actively trying to mess with you. Arguing, which is what you're doing, is not good for the town in general, especially at the end of a Day when we need to find a lynch target. You need to focus less on yourself, and more on the other players in the game.
What I'm trying to say is: if someone wants to attack you, they're probably not going to be swayed by any counter-arguments you make. So wait to defend yourself until several people are ganging up and questioning you, or until someone makes a serious case against you. What you're doing is cluttering up the thread a bit, and making it harder to focus in.
No hard feelings or anything, I just want to slow down your posting a somewhat.
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On May 18 2011 07:49 Barundar wrote:Regarding incognito I have problems explaining his actual scum hunting so far. Loads of finger pointing and weak reasons for votes. For an example his vote on chaoser: Show nested quote +Bumatlarge is also on the right track. Chaoser is a good vote too. Actually, wait, a better vote than Kurumi. I'll put Chaoser as 85% mafia.
##Vote Chaoser Why does he think chaoser is 85 % mafia? Thats very high degree of certainty day 1. Since then he doesn't mention chaoser or try to convince others of his guilt. Same with Kurumi and GMarshal: + Show Spoiler +On May 16 2011 14:20 Incognito wrote:
Flamewheel please nuke GMarshal. Thanks.
##Vote Kurumi My biggest issue with voting incognito is 1) He is a vet, so if town it would be a huge loss. 2) He provides pro town ideas, like the listchecker + vote rigger idea, as well as info on roles. His play before the day post was still riddled with random accusations, but his role ideas was good. He claims he is playing weird because he doesn't have time to play a proper day 1, but I don't buy that. He has been reasonably active in the thread, and he is obviously reading it. I guess my question to Foolishness and Ace is, how do you explain his contributions with regards to roles if he is mafia?
Another post to look at! Hoorah! Fortunately it even came in before my attack. Lets see if it follows the general trend.
This whole post is directing other players to vote for incognito, yet not really taking a stance either way. I finished reading this post, and wasn't really sure if Barundar was actually even going to vote for Incog(he did).
Ok there are problems with Incogs play(agreed), there are some positives and negatives to lynching him(agreed). These are just generally agreed upon points, sensible points, but nothing that needs to be re-pointed out. He 'doesn't buy' Incog's excuse, yet isn't directly pushing other players to vote for him. Simply putting points and notes out into the wind. Best of all, he finishes with a question that has an obvious answer, and doesn't need to be asked.
No risks, just recapping whats happened, with the ever so slightest hint of an opinion. Again, nothing that isn't sensible, and nothing that I particularly disagree with, but with the looks of someone wanting to have some substance behind their vote(as opposed to someone having substance behind their vote).
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Radfield
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Also, it feels like people are trying to find players who have not been pro-town in their posting. This makes sense on the surface, but is not in my eyes an effective way to find scum on Day 1.
No one will argue that either Deconduo or Incognito have been pro-town in their posting day 1. They have not. But players who come across on the surface as NOT being pro-town are generally not the mafia. What we really need to find are people who are trying to post pro-town, but when you delve deeper are saying very little at all. That's how you lynch Day 1(and most days after that). Players who are not even attempting to play pro-town are typically townies.
As I'm sure is obvious, this is where my suspicion of Barundar comes from. His posts scream to me someone who is trying to look pro-town, without actually adding much.
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