EPTOn May 29 2011 15:56 Foolishness wrote:
I just want you to make some snappy pun with my name like you usually do
I just want you to make some snappy pun with my name like you usually do I'm not foolish enough to make the same pun twice.
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On May 29 2011 13:49 Incognito wrote: I don't get why my Ace analysis was pretty much ignored after I got shot. I really thought that was a good analysis, as well as a nice instructional guide on good mafia thread control, but oh well. That analysis was GOLD. My favorite post in the game. To those who lynched me day one: You fail at meta reads. The biggest thing to pull from my town meta is that I make lots of mistakes. I'm not careful about what I say, so I end up messing up some things. Like my defense when incog attacked me. My scum play is much more careful. I don't say things that will make people suspect me, but as town I disregard any risks. Also, RoL kept telling me to pick VI, but I wanted to make sure that the most imba role ever (M2DT) got picked. Would have been so funny if i had listened to him. Oh, and my scum list immediatly after dying was: Ace (Or possibly incog, but not both. Ace for not voting me and calling people on my vote list "scummy", after attacking me and calling me scummy) Dreamflower (for hiding behind the "i'm not used to PYP stuff" too much, I must have missed her analyses of Ace and Caller...) Tnkted (For lurking) Mr.Wiggles (Because people reacted when I pressured him) | ||
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The radio was great addition to me,I was almost sure I could net 3 kills,sadly Parity Cop can target himself @_@ I couldn't blow up so early,but cmon waking up 5:50am is a decent trade <3 I seriously thought I'd get Lynched Day1/Day2 so I'd blow up on someone then get the second person lynched,would work like a charm. | ||
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Might as well just throw random stuff out there, in chronological order. - I planned my game with the potential that I'm the Mole. Kingmaker fits my agenda quite well. It can help Town or Mafia tremendously depending on how I choose to use it. - My early Mafia list during the first cycle was Mr. Wiggles, Chezinu, Incognito, and tnkted. - I made Mr. Wiggles the King on purpose, to further test things out, and was pretty confident he was Mafia when he choose to lynch OriginalName, outside of the list. - List for Night 1 King candidates + Show Spoiler + 1. Mr.Wiggles 2. Ace 3. Infinitestory 4. bumatlarge 5. Chezinu 6. Caller 7. GMarshal 8. kitaman27 9. Chaoser 10. Dreamflower - Started to doubt Incognito was Mafia during the lynch, but it was too late to reverse anything at that point and was just going to let things play out. Started to suspect Ace after he killed Incognito and Incognito flipped green. The last minute vote switch on KillerSOS, which resulted in a dead green, gave Ace the perfect reason to hit Incognito. - Chezinu made his Lover announcement, but not without a lot of flaws. Foolishness's reaction wasn't all that exciting either. - Infinitestory was the original one who voiced on having the option of King lynching Chezinu. I had a strong town read on him, so I made him King, while ensuring that he will lynch Chezinu as soon as possible in case of a Bus Driver. Infinitestory talks too much by the way; Learn to Ninja. - List for Night 2 King candidates + Show Spoiler + 1. Infinitestory 2. bumatlarge 3. GMarshal 4. Caller - Started to doubt Mr. Wiggles was Mafia after reading his argument with Ace, and tnkted echoing here and there. I was pretty convinced Ace was Mafia at this point due to some obvious flaws in his arguments. He has also been smooth talking to me the entire game. Basically, I know something is up, and he knows I knows something is up, but we just don't really go at each other throats in public. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2011 04:35 Fishball wrote: I'd like to think at least two out of three here are Mafia. Mr.Wiggles tnkted Ace - I went Kaboom. Ace sends me a pm + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sd6ED.jpg) - If I had not die, there will only be one King candidate the next Day, which would be bumatlarge. I was hoping we would have ninja killed Ace right there. No matter, Batman did his job. - I would have flipped if Town had not lynch Caller. Good thing they did. | ||
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On May 29 2011 16:26 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So what's with everyone accusing me of being scum on day 1? :p Will this become a trend? I'm sure that most people that are accusing you being scum have legitimate reasons... | ||
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On May 29 2011 16:47 Fishball wrote: I'm sure that most people that are accusing you being scum have legitimate reasons... Well, they most probably do, I just find it a bit funny that there's a special prevalence on day 1 for it. :p Pick Your Power Insane: Town + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 06:25 Kavdragon wrote: Upon further review, there is nothing of much significance with Mr.Wiggles. He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. Sleeper Cell Mafia: Town + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi. Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles taking a quick look at his posts I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS TL Mafia XXXVIII: Assassin, accusation made by mafia + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Ignoring the running for mayor for a minute (as our main goal *is* killing scum, remember?) I wrote up a nice little PbP on one of my current scum suspects Mr.Wiggles. Each post is in spoilers and my comments are in bold as usual + Show Spoiler + Don't worry too much, this shouldn't be as active as insane, because, well, Insane was Insane. Hopefully people won't spam that much in this game, and I'd even like to put in a request that people try to limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add to the conversation. People who just quote others, and say "I agree", or repeat the same things as others have already brought up, are perfect examples of "contributing without contributing", and that's a scum-tell. You know this is a great way to "contribute without contributing" you state a commonly known scum tell and say no spam please... well, duh. Still I can put this off as directing new players + Show Spoiler + Well this isn't technically night because no one takes actions. That said, there isn't much to talk about because we can't start mayoral campaigns. This means we're limited to mostly talking about general strategy and trying to establish a town policy, like no spam/try to contribute and add to the conversation, and other guidelines we'd like to put into place. Rehash of basic ideas, check! + Show Spoiler + Well if you're posting your own thoughts, then that's meaningful AND relevant, haha. But 9000 posts of cats in top hats and monocles wouldn't be. And saying "I agree" after every post isn't really contributing. If you want to agree with someone, at least add your own thought process as to why, and give some kind of explanation. That way you can look for mafia trying to make stuff up too. Spam is bad! No duh, but then again people were posting this kind of nonsense all night 0 so its not indicative + Show Spoiler + My thoughts on inactives: Don't lynch inactives, lynch lurkers. I guess it depends on your definition of inactive, but inactive for me, is someone who's not even playing the game, and has little to no posts. For me, the better choice is to pressure lurkers, who come in and post a couple times, then disappear. I think these are the people we should really be afraid of. They're a lot more dangerous, because by maintaining only a slight activity threshold to appease the town, they're easily able to hide amongst the masses. So personally, I'd rather lynch the guy who comes in twice a cycle to post a couple sentences, than Johnny-No-Posts who's not even playing the game. Lurkers want to hide behind a minimum of activity, inactives aren't even playing. (<--- My Take) I'm going to watch for people acting like that. well this *looks* like a contribution, but its a repost of an argument that town agrees on since time immemorial, its like posting "you should build drones" in response to "how do I macro better?" + Show Spoiler + Also, I think mafia would be more prone to trying to manipulate the town, whereas assassins would probably leave town be while focusing on finding the other assassins. So if you have two players kind've the same, but one is trying to manipulate the lynches and the other isn't, then you can differentiate them. an actual point! Yay! ok, nothing more to see here + Show Spoiler + As others have said, I think voting a black in is lose-lose. There's no guarantee he'll do anything to really help us, and then we lose our mayor/pardoner. something I agree with, fair enough Also, as far as medicing him goes, I think we can just drop the discussion on that until Day 2. Assassins can't do anything night one, so unless mafia wants to hit him, there's no need to waste a medic on him. If he still wants to negotiate for kills later, then we can do that when he's actually in a position to kill. However, just to add to that quickly, he's actually useless to town if he's not mayor/pardoner, because if he says he's hitting a town chosen target, mafia can just RB him, because he's outed himself publicly. So, we don't want him in office, and he can't help us out of office. again a really valid point, I have exactly one objection to it, the fact that after concluding that he is useless out of office he still talks about negotiating with the assassin, its an interesting contradiction So, overall, I don't think he can help town much, besides giving all the other assassins a non-town target for night 2. Right now, I'm most comfortable picking either GMarshal or Dr.H for mayor. I've gotten the strongest town reads from them, and they've both shown they're not afraid of trying to look for scum and lead town in the right direction. Yay! ^ My thoughts. + Show Spoiler + Don't hit the most inactive, that's stupid. The most inactive is likely not even playing the game, or they're just going to get Modkilled. If we want to do a policy lynch on activity, do it on a lurker. You call a lurker someone contributing without contributing, but with the amount of newer players in the game, that might not be the best deciding factor for day 1. I'd say lynch someone who was really active earlier in the game, like pregame, or night 0, and who has completely disappeared with only a minimum of posts by the end of day 1. This is a decent point, +1 townie point for it kind sir + Show Spoiler + How am I lurking? I'm just not rehashing the exact same points as everyone else over and over again. I was going to bring up some of the reasons I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal, but they were already raised by others, so instead of just repeating what's already been said three times I mentioned that protac isn't going to be useful to us at all if he doesn't get elected, so we shouldn't waste medics on him, just leave him for the other assassins to use hits on, keeping them off of town Alright this is a fair defense of my "lurking" accusation, however in his previous posts he made exactly one good point, that being about the assassin + Show Spoiler + And now that I think of it, there's other assassin, who may or may not be using their KP on the same night, on different or similar targets. So, there's no way to tell if mafia used all four hits or not. Meaning, it's easy for red to use one of their KPs as the "assassin" KP. I do believe this was already mentioned, neutral read on this post + Show Spoiler + The assassins are going to turn into the Item Game of Insane 2.... I was scum that game, so what I did, was try to keep everyone focused on the item game and away from actual analysis. I see the same thing starting to happen now, where town is going to latch onto the assassin game and get too distracted from everything else when it should be a non-issue... this is a very, very good point and one I agree with, +1 townie point for him Anyways, Why giving out both the names of the bodyguards is not a very good idea: At their core, the bodyguard and pardoner are supposed to be very powerful roles that we would like to get a hold of and use for the benefit of the town. When used correctly, these roles seem like they'd be more than capable of wreaking havoc on the mafia and bringing town victory. yeah, we know this, this is kind of filler If no mafia are elected into office, and they are not confident that they can sway the mayor easily, the best course of action for the reds is to kill the mayor/pardoner. In order to do so, they must first kill the two bodyguards. These bodyguards are unrevealed to the town and mafia, so first mafia need to find them as well. again, I think this is obvious Now, you, Pandain, want to reveal the bodyguards to everyone. Why? To ostensibly put trackers on them in order to catch any assassins/mafia who want to take a shot at the mayor. However, doing this is cringe-worthy to say the least. So why wouldn't it work out? Mafia have four KP, and there are supposedly two other assassins. This means, that if there are no medics, that mafia can kill the two bodyguards as well as the mayor and pardoner in one fell swoop. So, what we'd achieve, is the entire public office dead, traded at the cost of one mafia revealed. The only way to counteract that, would be if we now, IN ADDITION to our trackers, put medic protection on the bodyguards as well. So, you're asking us to focus all of our blue power on two people. But then we just get into a WIFOM spiral where we need to decide to protect either the bodyguards to the detriment of all other pro-town players or other players to the detriment of our bodyguards and mayor/pardoner. This is an actual good point +1 town point In my opinion, this becomes too convoluted to even work with, when compared to keeping the bodyguards known only to the mayor/pardoner. In other words, a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + Forgot assassin. I'd be willing to let him in as pardoner, but not mayor. Dr.H/protac interesting, Wiggles said "I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal" but now he is ok with a black pardoner... it is noteworthy, and if kav's theory that Pro is actualy red holds true then very, very revealing + Show Spoiler + No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? same questions I ask, after I asked them... slightly scummy, but it could be down to simultaneous posts Conclusion: Lurking he adds a total of two new ideas by my count and his best post is the one focused on not exposing the bgs, I'm having a hard time labeling him as anything. Hence I suggest we all keep an eye on him and make him post more, I'm leaning slightly more towards scum than town atm, but I need more to analyze TL Mafia XXXVII: Cop + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2011 09:21 Ser Aspi wrote: how nice of you to pop up with this laughably confused post. "not entirely convinced" about annul, huh? Well of ur 10 in game posts (lets compare this to 30 pre-game spam posts now) ur whole agenda has been subtly pushing doubt on aggressive people in general, then proceeding to softly cast doubt on annul. Then you quote gryffindor when he connects annul to GMarshal without adding any insight. What the heck are you trying to do here? Combined with the above quoted post, this is absolutely scummy. If you think one of GMarshal/gryf is scum, why aren't you voting for them? If gryf connected GMarshall and annul, why do you NOT have annul in your "probably scum" pile? if you think lynching annul will clear up the thread, why not vote for gryffindor, who fits both categories of a) spamming up the thread, and b) you think is "probably scum"? Your logic reaks of scum. Burn the witch. ##Unvote Vote## Mr. Wiggles These were the last 4 games I've played where I wasn't scum, all marked by a day 1 scum accusation. Wondering if there's anything specific I'm doing that seems to trigger scum alarms so frequently. :p | ||
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On May 29 2011 17:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well, they most probably do, I just find it a bit funny that there's a special prevalence on day 1 for it. :p Pick Your Power Insane: Town + Show Spoiler + On May 17 2011 06:25 Kavdragon wrote: Upon further review, there is nothing of much significance with Mr.Wiggles. He doesn't make scum slips, he doesn't contradict himself as far as I see, but all of his contributions and posting are very "safe". He doesn't come out with any opinions that are unique, and seems to sheep behind a lot of people in an attempt to blend in. The one thing that sticks out about Mr Wiggles is that he doesn't want to stick out. It seems like he's doing his best to get by with minimal contribution, and that fits my pattern for scum. Sleeper Cell Mafia: Town + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 00:26 GMarshal wrote: Jackal, I like your accusation, however I would leave tnkted alone for now as if he has a weird role as he claims the mafia is much more likely to hit him, I would much, much rather hit someone who isn't posting or is lurking, trying to avoid attention. I propose Eiii who has yet to contribute anything at all. To me, in this setting its a huge tell as it reeks of scum waiting to be contacted by the cell leader. I would be happy to hit any of the other lurkers though, e.g. Kenpachi. Also I am getting a weird vibe from Mr.Wiggles taking a quick look at his posts I think this is making an obvious post in alot of words, I'm not sure its FoS worthy, as alot of this type of posting is going on, but it set off my radar interestingly enough its a repetition of a previous post, it says the evident "scum hunting is how we find scum" but still encourages us to look for breadcrumbs. I like the comment on the GF but the rest of the post seems like filler trying to look like something is being added, again, not enough to make me yell "scum" but its making my gut uncomfortable, this is the real reason I put a pressure vote on wiggles, rather than inactive he seemed to me to be lurking Its a long post, so my comments in bold inside the quote Verdict: Keep your eyes peeled for wiggles, something about him seems off to me. FoS TL Mafia XXXVIII: Assassin, accusation made by mafia + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Ignoring the running for mayor for a minute (as our main goal *is* killing scum, remember?) I wrote up a nice little PbP on one of my current scum suspects Mr.Wiggles. Each post is in spoilers and my comments are in bold as usual + Show Spoiler + Don't worry too much, this shouldn't be as active as insane, because, well, Insane was Insane. Hopefully people won't spam that much in this game, and I'd even like to put in a request that people try to limit their posting unless they have something relevant/meaningful to add to the conversation. People who just quote others, and say "I agree", or repeat the same things as others have already brought up, are perfect examples of "contributing without contributing", and that's a scum-tell. You know this is a great way to "contribute without contributing" you state a commonly known scum tell and say no spam please... well, duh. Still I can put this off as directing new players + Show Spoiler + Well this isn't technically night because no one takes actions. That said, there isn't much to talk about because we can't start mayoral campaigns. This means we're limited to mostly talking about general strategy and trying to establish a town policy, like no spam/try to contribute and add to the conversation, and other guidelines we'd like to put into place. Rehash of basic ideas, check! + Show Spoiler + Well if you're posting your own thoughts, then that's meaningful AND relevant, haha. But 9000 posts of cats in top hats and monocles wouldn't be. And saying "I agree" after every post isn't really contributing. If you want to agree with someone, at least add your own thought process as to why, and give some kind of explanation. That way you can look for mafia trying to make stuff up too. Spam is bad! No duh, but then again people were posting this kind of nonsense all night 0 so its not indicative + Show Spoiler + My thoughts on inactives: Don't lynch inactives, lynch lurkers. I guess it depends on your definition of inactive, but inactive for me, is someone who's not even playing the game, and has little to no posts. For me, the better choice is to pressure lurkers, who come in and post a couple times, then disappear. I think these are the people we should really be afraid of. They're a lot more dangerous, because by maintaining only a slight activity threshold to appease the town, they're easily able to hide amongst the masses. So personally, I'd rather lynch the guy who comes in twice a cycle to post a couple sentences, than Johnny-No-Posts who's not even playing the game. Lurkers want to hide behind a minimum of activity, inactives aren't even playing. (<--- My Take) I'm going to watch for people acting like that. well this *looks* like a contribution, but its a repost of an argument that town agrees on since time immemorial, its like posting "you should build drones" in response to "how do I macro better?" + Show Spoiler + Also, I think mafia would be more prone to trying to manipulate the town, whereas assassins would probably leave town be while focusing on finding the other assassins. So if you have two players kind've the same, but one is trying to manipulate the lynches and the other isn't, then you can differentiate them. an actual point! Yay! ok, nothing more to see here + Show Spoiler + As others have said, I think voting a black in is lose-lose. There's no guarantee he'll do anything to really help us, and then we lose our mayor/pardoner. something I agree with, fair enough Also, as far as medicing him goes, I think we can just drop the discussion on that until Day 2. Assassins can't do anything night one, so unless mafia wants to hit him, there's no need to waste a medic on him. If he still wants to negotiate for kills later, then we can do that when he's actually in a position to kill. However, just to add to that quickly, he's actually useless to town if he's not mayor/pardoner, because if he says he's hitting a town chosen target, mafia can just RB him, because he's outed himself publicly. So, we don't want him in office, and he can't help us out of office. again a really valid point, I have exactly one objection to it, the fact that after concluding that he is useless out of office he still talks about negotiating with the assassin, its an interesting contradiction So, overall, I don't think he can help town much, besides giving all the other assassins a non-town target for night 2. Right now, I'm most comfortable picking either GMarshal or Dr.H for mayor. I've gotten the strongest town reads from them, and they've both shown they're not afraid of trying to look for scum and lead town in the right direction. Yay! ^ My thoughts. + Show Spoiler + Don't hit the most inactive, that's stupid. The most inactive is likely not even playing the game, or they're just going to get Modkilled. If we want to do a policy lynch on activity, do it on a lurker. You call a lurker someone contributing without contributing, but with the amount of newer players in the game, that might not be the best deciding factor for day 1. I'd say lynch someone who was really active earlier in the game, like pregame, or night 0, and who has completely disappeared with only a minimum of posts by the end of day 1. This is a decent point, +1 townie point for it kind sir + Show Spoiler + How am I lurking? I'm just not rehashing the exact same points as everyone else over and over again. I was going to bring up some of the reasons I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal, but they were already raised by others, so instead of just repeating what's already been said three times I mentioned that protac isn't going to be useful to us at all if he doesn't get elected, so we shouldn't waste medics on him, just leave him for the other assassins to use hits on, keeping them off of town Alright this is a fair defense of my "lurking" accusation, however in his previous posts he made exactly one good point, that being about the assassin + Show Spoiler + And now that I think of it, there's other assassin, who may or may not be using their KP on the same night, on different or similar targets. So, there's no way to tell if mafia used all four hits or not. Meaning, it's easy for red to use one of their KPs as the "assassin" KP. I do believe this was already mentioned, neutral read on this post + Show Spoiler + The assassins are going to turn into the Item Game of Insane 2.... I was scum that game, so what I did, was try to keep everyone focused on the item game and away from actual analysis. I see the same thing starting to happen now, where town is going to latch onto the assassin game and get too distracted from everything else when it should be a non-issue... this is a very, very good point and one I agree with, +1 townie point for him Anyways, Why giving out both the names of the bodyguards is not a very good idea: At their core, the bodyguard and pardoner are supposed to be very powerful roles that we would like to get a hold of and use for the benefit of the town. When used correctly, these roles seem like they'd be more than capable of wreaking havoc on the mafia and bringing town victory. yeah, we know this, this is kind of filler If no mafia are elected into office, and they are not confident that they can sway the mayor easily, the best course of action for the reds is to kill the mayor/pardoner. In order to do so, they must first kill the two bodyguards. These bodyguards are unrevealed to the town and mafia, so first mafia need to find them as well. again, I think this is obvious Now, you, Pandain, want to reveal the bodyguards to everyone. Why? To ostensibly put trackers on them in order to catch any assassins/mafia who want to take a shot at the mayor. However, doing this is cringe-worthy to say the least. So why wouldn't it work out? Mafia have four KP, and there are supposedly two other assassins. This means, that if there are no medics, that mafia can kill the two bodyguards as well as the mayor and pardoner in one fell swoop. So, what we'd achieve, is the entire public office dead, traded at the cost of one mafia revealed. The only way to counteract that, would be if we now, IN ADDITION to our trackers, put medic protection on the bodyguards as well. So, you're asking us to focus all of our blue power on two people. But then we just get into a WIFOM spiral where we need to decide to protect either the bodyguards to the detriment of all other pro-town players or other players to the detriment of our bodyguards and mayor/pardoner. This is an actual good point +1 town point In my opinion, this becomes too convoluted to even work with, when compared to keeping the bodyguards known only to the mayor/pardoner. In other words, a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + Forgot assassin. I'd be willing to let him in as pardoner, but not mayor. Dr.H/protac interesting, Wiggles said "I thought a black mayor wouldn't be optimal" but now he is ok with a black pardoner... it is noteworthy, and if kav's theory that Pro is actualy red holds true then very, very revealing + Show Spoiler + No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? same questions I ask, after I asked them... slightly scummy, but it could be down to simultaneous posts Conclusion: Lurking he adds a total of two new ideas by my count and his best post is the one focused on not exposing the bgs, I'm having a hard time labeling him as anything. Hence I suggest we all keep an eye on him and make him post more, I'm leaning slightly more towards scum than town atm, but I need more to analyze TL Mafia XXXVII: Cop + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2011 09:21 Ser Aspi wrote: how nice of you to pop up with this laughably confused post. "not entirely convinced" about annul, huh? Well of ur 10 in game posts (lets compare this to 30 pre-game spam posts now) ur whole agenda has been subtly pushing doubt on aggressive people in general, then proceeding to softly cast doubt on annul. Then you quote gryffindor when he connects annul to GMarshal without adding any insight. What the heck are you trying to do here? Combined with the above quoted post, this is absolutely scummy. If you think one of GMarshal/gryf is scum, why aren't you voting for them? If gryf connected GMarshall and annul, why do you NOT have annul in your "probably scum" pile? if you think lynching annul will clear up the thread, why not vote for gryffindor, who fits both categories of a) spamming up the thread, and b) you think is "probably scum"? Your logic reaks of scum. Burn the witch. ##Unvote Vote## Mr. Wiggles These were the last 4 games I've played where I wasn't scum, all marked by a day 1 scum accusation. Wondering if there's anything specific I'm doing that seems to trigger scum alarms so frequently. :p Your past games don't matter. If people are accusing you every time then you're probably doing something wrong every time. I only recall playing with you in this game, and your play is really scummy. | ||
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And the funny thing is, like apparently a lot of others, I thought you were scum day 1 this game too. As in, top scum read for me day 1. I PMed Ver to tell me your alignment, and was getting ready to feel all proud of myself when I opened his reply... I was sad. What stood out to me about your posting is how safe your contributions were. I'm not going to go back and actually do an analysis on your posting, but as I recall most of your posting was focussed on setup, roles, obvious pro-town stuff, it seemed like you were avoiding taking stances on shady people like ace, incog, kavdragon, etc. Also, even the topics that you did post on, your posts still seemed safe and in some ways non-commital, like you would ask for other opinions or something. You'll be happy to know that Ver did not think my read was strong, and that your posting was indicative of townieness. So, there's my two cents | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Mafia had a bit of bad luck and a few bad moves this game. Having their mole be the M2DT really puts them in a pickle. It's pretty much a worse case scenario. Also, the sheer number of investigative roles really made it difficult for them. Kurumi I think you should have stayed in the shadows. With tnkted caught, and Ace and Caller on the ropes, you were the last hope. I think most players had a somewhat town read on you, so you and GM could have possibly stuck it out. My biggest mistake was not coming down stronger during the Ace/Incog battle. I was very sure Ace was mafia after his attacks against my role, and I was very sure that Incog was town. However, I just couldn't pull the trigger and jump in to sway town. My whole don't lynch Ace till Incog is dead argument was absolute garbage, but I couldn't shake the fact that I didn't want to get burned by you(Incog) again. Killing Incog was a mistake though. His America power was neutralized by tnked so he wasn't a threat in that respect. There was so much suspicion put on him that very few players in the thread were actually listening to him either. I think the Ace/Incog argument could have been dragged out longer for sure. I was quite thrilled to wake up and find him dead, as it meant I could go full bore after Ace. Incog, I did quote your post attacking Ace a couple times in thread, and was prepared to ratchet it up on Ace but Bum beat me to the punch. Fishball, you played really well. The way you came alive after Day 1/2 made you obviously town and your play was very good. Node, the police radio was absolutely brilliant. Best invention you could have made. It netted us a red, confirmed GM and gave us the rose coloured glasses. The whole scum team played very well under difficult circumstances. With no traitor, GM being mole, and a slew of investigative/defensive roles taken, I thought they played really well. Without the list checks we would have had a much more difficult time, though I like to think that we still could have pulled it off. Good game everyone! Super fun as always. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
I actually don't like having such a high pick. I felt I was forced into taking my role and then forced into using it a certain way. Still, that's partially my own fault. This was probably not the best game to make a return to, way too much going on. I wonder how balanced the game is? I feel that mafia lost not due to the town's amazing investigative powers but moreso the utter lack of non-risky violence. The NRA member relies on people coming to you, the capitalist only has one shot, akbar requires your own death, and the CPR doc was Chezinu. Perhaps it was too risky to try to get the really imba combos because of how low everyone in the mafia was picking. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
1.) I picked Capitalist because with all the role checks if I got caught with Role blocker that was far worse. We also had no way to stop all the information roles out there so we were better off with roles that if checked were plausible but could also kill. Also please remember WHERE I was on the draft order. I had to pick a role that I figured would fall all the way down. It's nice to say I should have picked Vigi or GF but let's be realistic here. The Mafia picks worked like a charm all the way until the information roles came through. No amount of OP Scum roles would have stopped that. Everyone played their roles well. Chezinu wasn't saved by a bus because tnkted wasn't around. Really just bad luck. 2.) We didn't coordinate number picks. I told everyone just do whatever as with 1 KP and 9,000 info roles we were going to have a hard time winning this. 3.) I suggested TWO KP minimum for Scum. There were just so many ridiculous Town roles that the information flow would be impossible to stop. I really don't understand why you mods keep doing this but STOP NERFING THE SCUM TEAM. 5 or 6 scum vs 7 information roles. Even with a traitor, which doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things we were screwed with 1 KP. It took an extraordinary amount of planning and careful play to get where we were. The town undid everything in 1 night and couldn't lose once Node's invention popped. Someone should have realized that Scum has no way of stopping ALL the information roles. 4.) The Town played like shit. The first 3 days were just me toying around with the town and setting up Radfield and Incognito for big falls later on. The town had NO CHANCE what so ever to lynch any scum. None. If you were on Mafia IRC and saw the things I was saying before they actually happened you'd know how badly the town was losing. This was a flawless Scum team win. 5.) Our mole - we already had 1 KP. Why did we have to wait 3 days for the mole to convert? Needless to say the Mafia 2 DT was the only reason the town won the game. Next time if this is run give the mole conversion on Day 2. 6.) Townies really really really need to stop this ridiculous behavior of posting "pro-town lists" on the first day of the game. Also stop this stupid thing about meta. 90% of you don't understand what it is. Just because a guy acts different from a game he played before it doesn't make him suspicious. Just incredibly WASTEFUL posts. These posts were one of the reasons no one could find scum - 20 people with pro-town lists on Day 1 and Day 2 means 20 people are clueless and talking about nothing. 7.) STOP the Post By Post Analysis. Seriously no one reads it because chances are YOU ARE WRONG. Why? Because you're nitpicking. There were a few posts in the game that correctly broke down a scum motive and they got ignored. Then there were these silly posts where people picked out every damn post a guy made, made some stuff up, and concluded they are scum. STOP IT. It's silly and it makes the game so much easier for scum. Not to mention it makes you so easy to lynch because once I know where you reads are I just dig in later because you're all over the place. 8.) Town was bad. Just wanted to remind you once again. 9.) Good job to the Scum team. The town never had a lead on anyone and was actually about to be GG'd until GM's role claim + the Night 2 and 3 shenanigans. Inventor + Copy Cat + Bad Santa + Detectives. No way anyone can seriously believe the Town played better than the Scum team this game. Absolute destruction. On May 29 2011 16:07 Kavdragon wrote: To those who lynched me day one: You fail at meta reads. The biggest thing to pull from my town meta is that I make lots of mistakes. And thats exactly why you got lynched. This isn't a meta problem - it's just you making mistakes. The town would be foolish to say "oh its just the way Kavdragon plays, let him get a pass". When you screw up chances are you get lynched if the town is playing correctly. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 29 2011 22:37 bumatlarge wrote: Agree with most of the stuff Ace, but Kav's thing was ridiculous. People called him out for being too pro-town. Nothing else. If you look back, everyone called him out for trying too hard, or some other shit. Again not Kav's fault, it was bad town's fault. I agree town was bad, we were doing awful first 2 days and won with power roles. The chaoser, Barundar and KillerSOS wagons were all so damn ridiculous and they weren't even scum driven. I didn't even VOTE on the Kav wagon and it still happened to my amazement. But Kav made many mistakes. Somehow, some way even with the Kav/Barundar/Incog wagons going on no one sat down and looked back at how they were formed. The only person to bring it up later was Incognito iirc when he said I was pushing the wagon and then didn't even vote for Kav while also undermining him. Of course it got ignored. | ||
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