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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
The town never had a lead on anyone and was actually about to be GG'd until GM's role claim + the Night 2 and 3 shenanigans. Inventor + Copy Cat + Bad Santa + Detectives. Chez was already dead. Tnkted was caught once the bus driver role went public. You outted yourself with your overpressing of my role, even had Bum not shot you, you were up for lynching the next day(or Caller). Caller and Kurumi were fairly well hidden. *The M2DT was huge, yet you didn't take a framing role or a roleblocker or assasin. *There were a massive amount of investigative roles up for grabs, but you didn't take a godfather role *You left GM alive. A tough call, but you should have bombed him. *Kurumi suicided when he was well hidden *You shot Incog, which put mud on yourself and allowed the town to refocus. Shooting Incog also narrowed down the Kavdragon lynch list, virtually outting Caller when he was well hidden. Incog dying was a turning point for the town(though really the police radio was the turning point). Anyways, many of your points are valid though, and we relied heavily on the list-checks(mind you, of course we would, they are very OP), though other than NKVD, the other info roles were largely useless/underused. Town played as good as they needed to in a setup that ended up favoring them, mafia played well in a losing effort though. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 29 2011 23:12 bumatlarge wrote: Why didn't anyone pick assasin!? looked like such a fun role, but I was already set on bad santa. Would have taken that regardless of my alignment. Yeah, assassin combined with Ace's role would have been a huge success for the Mafia. Caller could have easily taken assassin and got away with it. | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
Rolewise: I personally think we should have chosen more info-screwing roles, I think they had more potential for WIFOM. The problem with a setup like this is that when you have 6 intelligent headstrong people on the same team, none of them are going to listen to the others suggestions on what roles to pick. Caller didn't want to get the caller GF role because he thought NRA member was so much better, Kurumi wanted to get akbar because he thought it was going to be hilarious, and seriously now, does anyone expect me to choose a role other than bus driver? The nice thing about this game was that despite our roles scum still did so well for so long. All the people that had me on their scumlists after they died should have posted that shit in the thread before we killed them; I was on townie lists all game until I got caught in one of GM's lists. TLDR: scum played well, town bandwagoned too easily, I agreed with most of Ace's post except I disagree on the choices we had for roles. | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On May 29 2011 22:14 Ace wrote: And thats exactly why you got lynched. This isn't a meta problem - it's just you making mistakes. The town would be foolish to say "oh its just the way Kavdragon plays, let him get a pass". When you screw up chances are you get lynched if the town is playing correctly. I never said in there that my play was something that should have kept me from being lynched, but people were pushing me because of meta reasons, and they missed the biggest point from my meta. I agree that the mistakes I made were what lead to my lynch, but the people pushing for my lynch because of my meta were getting my meta wrong. Oh, and I agree that the Scum played a good game after the roles were picked. I think that not organizing your numbers so that they didn't clash was a dangerous game to play, and in the end it hurt you much more than it helped you. You needed better roles with all the power roles out there, and you couldn't do that with most of your team on the bottom of the list. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 30 2011 01:42 Kavdragon wrote: I never said in there that my play was something that should have kept me from being lynched, but people were pushing me because of meta reasons, and they missed the biggest point from my meta. I agree that the mistakes I made were what lead to my lynch, but the people pushing for my lynch because of my meta were getting my meta wrong. The lynch Kavdragon day one conspiracy has struck again. Can we make it three straight? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 30 2011 01:42 Kavdragon wrote: I never said in there that my play was something that should have kept me from being lynched, but people were pushing me because of meta reasons, and they missed the biggest point from my meta. I agree that the mistakes I made were what lead to my lynch, but the people pushing for my lynch because of my meta were getting my meta wrong. Kurumi does not understand because every sentence has "meta" in it ;u; | ||
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
On May 30 2011 01:45 Kurumi wrote: Kurumi does not understand because every sentence has "meta" in it ;u; Meta is a players background in the game. If i know that Ace likes to lurk in the shadows as scum, but comes out and is really vocal as a townie in all his past games, then I can compare that play to this current game and say "Oh, he's lurking. His meta tells me that he is scum" (fictitious example ^^) Kitaman: -_- I've learned my lesson. I'll be VI every game from now on. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 30 2011 02:21 flamewheel wrote: Just fucking lynch Incognito next time lol I'd go for it even as a Townie lol | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
Also, because I've been wanting to say this for a while: On May 20 2011 01:48 Ace wrote: Bet $20 dreamflower picked Mad Hatter. Ace, you owe me twenty bucks.  | ||
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tnkted
United States1359 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 30 2011 01:49 Kavdragon wrote: Meta is a players background in the game. If i know that Ace likes to lurk in the shadows as scum, but comes out and is really vocal as a townie in all his past games, then I can compare that play to this current game and say "Oh, he's lurking. His meta tells me that he is scum" (fictitious example ^^) Kitaman: -_- I've learned my lesson. I'll be VI every game from now on. This is what I mean though. That's not always a good read on someone and is what led to the Day 1 and 2 shenanigans. Even if some of the Townies did have a solid read and wanted to build a case they had to cut through 50 posts of "he does this as x because I've seen it before" and that isn't a good thing. Then again if someone is lurking well, that's what Vigilantes are for. @dreamflower: Indeed I do. I was just like forget it, don't kill dreamflower because I'm sure one of us is going with her to the grave. @meapak: Not pissed, but having to go through what we did and then to see posts about our role picks or "strategy" but also no one commenting on what was going on before Day 3 is annoying. There was a lot of misdirection those first 2 days that most people still won't be able to figure out. On May 29 2011 23:15 Radfield wrote: Scum team played fine, but you made some errors as well. Yes you were winning after Night 2, but so is every scum team with any amount of skill. Chez was already dead. Tnkted was caught once the bus driver role went public. You outted yourself with your overpressing of my role, even had Bum not shot you, you were up for lynching the next day(or Caller). Caller and Kurumi were fairly well hidden. *The M2DT was huge, yet you didn't take a framing role or a roleblocker or assasin. *There were a massive amount of investigative roles up for grabs, but you didn't take a godfather role *You left GM alive. A tough call, but you should have bombed him. *Kurumi suicided when he was well hidden *You shot Incog, which put mud on yourself and allowed the town to refocus. Shooting Incog also narrowed down the Kavdragon lynch list, virtually outting Caller when he was well hidden. Incog dying was a turning point for the town(though really the police radio was the turning point). Anyways, many of your points are valid though, and we relied heavily on the list-checks(mind you, of course we would, they are very OP), though other than NKVD, the other info roles were largely useless/underused. Town played as good as they needed to in a setup that ended up favoring them, mafia played well in a losing effort though. I was actually talking about right before Chezinu died. At that point we were on our way to an overwhelming victory. I'm not sure you remember but the lynch chaoser nonsense was still going strong, I had a solid alibi for shooting Incognito and you were already out of the picture. I purposely harassed you and Incognito all game not only because you were on the wrong track, but also so no one would have enough time to look around and see what the other Scum were doing. Kurumi wanted to blow himself up since Day 1. I literally think he was strapped to a chair trying to restrain himself. He was well hidden but at that point we had to get rid of Parity Cop. Once again, there are only FIVE of us and 1 KP. We can't take assassin without a role checking power to hit someone so why would we go for it? Remember a role check against that role means we're almost surely lynched. At best taking Godfather would have gotten us out of the list checking but you must also remember that townies picked "Mafia" roles also - Barundar TOOK one of the GF picks. We could have been screwed going for that as well. When I shot Incog there was no mud anywhere for me. I shot him with the credibility I set myself up for days in advance. When Incognito died the Town was still lost. Re-read the thread. I was safe because no one had a case against me and there weren't any votes my way. Caller was still under scrutiny but the discussion of tampered lists kept him alive. Do understand we trimmed that list because we had to try and kill Inventor, Copy Cat and any information roles. The town was never, ever on the right track to finding Caller as Scum even with all of that. We didn't kill people because they were correct about anything, we killed them because of their role. We had confidence that no one would make any credible arguments or have enough persuasive power to sway the town vs any Scum. And we were right. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On May 29 2011 22:14 Ace wrote: 6.) Townies really really really need to stop this ridiculous behavior of posting "pro-town lists" on the first day of the game. Also stop this stupid thing about meta. 90% of you don't understand what it is. Just because a guy acts different from a game he played before it doesn't make him suspicious. Just incredibly WASTEFUL posts. These posts were one of the reasons no one could find scum - 20 people with pro-town lists on Day 1 and Day 2 means 20 people are clueless and talking about nothing. 7.) STOP the Post By Post Analysis. Seriously no one reads it because chances are YOU ARE WRONG. Why? Because you're nitpicking. There were a few posts in the game that correctly broke down a scum motive and they got ignored. Then there were these silly posts where people picked out every damn post a guy made, made some stuff up, and concluded they are scum. STOP IT. It's silly and it makes the game so much easier for scum. Not to mention it makes you so easy to lynch because once I know where you reads are I just dig in later because you're all over the place. . 6. Can't agree more, and pretty much why I don't give a shit on Day 1 "analysis". Random accusations are just flying everywhere. Incognito finger pointed a lot, mentioned me maybe once or twice, FW said I was "useless as usual", and Radfield also questioned my existence early on. Seriously. 7. I think I've only read less than a hand full of these type of posts among all the games I've played. In short, I ignore them most of the time. On May 30 2011 00:18 tnkted wrote: All the people that had me on their scumlists after they died should have posted that shit in the thread before we killed them; I was on townie lists all game until I got caught in one of GM's lists. I don't know who else had you on their scum list, and I did mention your name once before I died, before I even saw the Police Radio post which was posted five minutes before I hit post on mine. I've specifically mentioned three times in the thread that I'm waiting till Day 3 to disclose more information, as if I'm Mole, I don't want to expose my potential teammates early on, let alone make solid cases against them. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 11:09 Fishball wrote: The more claims there are, the happier the Mafia is.  If I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 12:40 Fishball wrote: I'm taking my vote off KillerSOS. I don't like what I see, and like I said, if I'm still alive on Day 3, we'll talk more. I'll be placing my vote on tnkted for now. + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2011 14:26 Fishball wrote: This is so tempting for me to speak. But I shall resist! Hell I even voted for you when you guys jumped on the KillerSOS train. kitaman27 was the last person to jump on the train, but I voted you instead. Everything I've worked on in this game was stuff already put on the table. I was able to establish a very strong Town figure out of it. If I were the Mole, the game could have been a lot more interesting. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On the whole, an enjoyable game to read! | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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