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On April 30 2011 04:56 Zorkmid wrote: /in Didn't Node already say that he couldn't join? On April 28 2011 13:23 Node wrote: Yeah, I'm not okay with that. If you didn't have time to participate in Sleeper Cell, I can't trust that you do here so soon afterwards. If there are other things that I don't know about the situation, let me know via PM, but right now I can't in good conscience put you in this game -- it's not fair to chaoser or any of the other Sleeper Cell players. | ||
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On a random note: Out of the doorway the bullets rip To the sound of the beat Always thought this would accompany a nightkill quite well. + Show Spoiler + Node, DO AS I COMMAND | ||
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On May 02 2011 14:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: lol turn on the news :O Special Forces just took out Osama in pakistan a few hours ago. People are celebrating. Hmm, School tomorrow will be interesting for once, then. I wonder what my english teacher will say. Oh, and I forgot to say: This is great news. A great boost to the moral of the soldiers out there, I'm sure. | ||
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If you PM me i'm reporting you. + Show Spoiler + ^_^ | ||
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I'm just hoping that it changes at three months, and not 6. Congrats on the (almost) 1000 posts, Aidnai. | ||
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On May 04 2011 07:58 orgolove wrote: I'm really sorry. I'd like to /out this game, as Ver's pyp insane has just started. and I want to play in his game. | ||
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My biggest FoS right now is on Rising_Phoenix. He hasn't been lurking, exactly, but rather making vacuous posts. On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote: I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is: *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments. Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying. Active =/= scummy. Why are you telling people to stop talking? This is not pro-town. It's pretty ironic that you're telling people to stop spamming by making an empty spam post. When you start posting content, you can tell people to stop spamming. | ||
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On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote: Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes. People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. What the hell is this post? Inactive players are not pro-town because they
This is either a really stupid post or a really scummy post. I honestly can't tell which. Lynching an inactive day 1 is common, because it is rare to have enough information/analysis to peg any actual scum. A lynch based off of solid analysis is always to be preferred, of course. Ultimately, town wants to get rid of all inactive players before lylo, when each vote and opinion counts, while scum wants to keep as many inactives alive as possible, because they're useless to the town and just add uncertainty. | ||
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On May 05 2011 08:36 Cthsazsa wrote: I don't understand. I was talking about inactive people, not lurkers. It is very hard to tell which is which. Thus, inactives must be treated as lurkers, or else lurking scum could just hide as inactives and be safe. that would be bad. The best course of action is to pressure the lurkers into posting. If they are truly inactive, they get modkilled and we move on. I'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the "posting so I don't get modkilled today" kind of poster. I consider them inactive as well. | ||
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I'm really suspicious of Kurumi right now. Reasoning is coming momentarily (within 20 minutes) | ||
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On May 05 2011 09:45 KillerSOS wrote: chaoser He has been sitting back after his initial strong posts. I think he knew he brought suspicion on himself with his original long posts. I know he is a long time player and he seems to be careful to not be in the front of any debate. If I had to vote for anyone I would vote for him atm. Chaoser has been very pro-town in his posting across the board. Being super-vocal day 1 is a sure way to get killed night one. It's the players who haven't posted any real content that we have to worry about. | ||
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Kurumi Kurumi's posts can be divided into two categories. Useless spam, and misleading drivel, and actual content Useless spam. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 22:41 Kurumi wrote: I thought I will have any heavy read by the time I am back and game starts but.. the only thing I saw was CHAOS. Saying that,while someone says this,posting some rules being in the other thread,just doing a contribution without any value I have no clue what that is even supposed to mean. Not helpful, just spammy. On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play. Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense! Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. This post makes a lot of statements without really saying anything. Spam. On May 05 2011 01:49 Kurumi wrote: Thanks Chaoser,I think I did not see that tip in Newbie thread. I wasn't too cautious,right,but even insane thought can turn out to be true. I have no idea how to reply. What does this contribute? "crazy shit can be right," so I'm not going to defend my opinion. On May 05 2011 03:13 Kurumi wrote: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 Thanks for pointing out that I am fearful of using names,thus making my posts inconsistent,weird and often misunderstood. Which posts should I "repair" - that meaning making it totally straight and understandable? Why the hell are there numbers at the top of this posts? Rest is nonsensical. On May 05 2011 03:18 Kurumi wrote: No,I am just saying that using names all over again is unnatural for me. Fine, but not a contribution, so technically spam. On May 05 2011 03:36 Kurumi wrote: Such unlucky formatting,I had such cool line of numbers from top to the bottom. I tried to make something happen and yeah I did,but it turned out talking about me is interesting. spam. On May 05 2011 04:00 Kurumi wrote: Jackal58 Just a post. spammyspamspam On May 05 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote: Punk,You're back! So my pre-emptive lurker vote is obsolete now! OK then, good for you! thank you for that On May 05 2011 04:50 Kurumi wrote: Remember people mentioning the numbers. Giving away Your biggest weakness might be Your biggest strenght. what? On May 05 2011 04:54 Kurumi wrote: Haha,it was cool first season,then got boring. About LOST, or some shit like that On May 05 2011 05:03 Kurumi wrote: Sorry I didn't call for mass roleclaim,that would not be mysterious and pretty cool Mafia game,eh? Nice joke, funny funny, no content. On May 05 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote: Hello there Kenpachi,enjoy reading the thread! On May 05 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote: Hey Jackal58,we missed You! Nice posts. I would be missing your good ones, but I never knew them. Misleading drivel. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote: Drop Chaoser discussion as scum. He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town. It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I agree that Chaoser is pro-town, but shutting down analysis and suspicion on any player without suggesting a more suspicious player is not pro-town play. On May 05 2011 01:09 Kurumi wrote: Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk. Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames. I would call this spam, but it involves a vote. His reason is "he plays differently from Chaoser" Bad. On May 05 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote: I just note that his behaviour is different from Irish_Punk's and it looks pro-town,because of trying to make party going As I said, bad reasoning. On May 05 2011 01:22 Kurumi wrote: I just find his activeness into lurking suspicious. Why would You stop contributing when You have nothing to fear of? There is a real world outside of TL. On May 05 2011 01:32 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser,did You really grab my crappy contribution posts from SC2 to Mafia forums? I did not vote because of coincidence,I just saw it. When I stared my third post I knew that it will go wrong and I will be accused of scum. Bringing more chaos into Day 1 than there was wasn't my intention. A scummy post is still scummy even if you acknowledge that it is. On May 05 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote: 13 Eternal - his refers to Chaoser. It was pointed out though Irish_Punk13 might just started doing 2 something besides writing post here on Mafia forums,so his step back into lurker den isn't 6 actually that obvious,just a normal human activity. 3 My point is,Mafia itself would rather not start the discussion(unless it was questions helping them 2 out,like "How do You deal with Mafia claims" "What usually gives out Your identity" etc) 2 The thing that Chaoser and redtooth posted was just a mini-guide how not to fail horribly at Mafia. 13 Still it could be a smoke bomb. This is so confusing that any content that might be in this post is lost on me. what the hell do the numbers mean? On May 05 2011 04:13 Kurumi wrote: AirbladeOrange: "A dead Townie is a good Townie" I like Your style,as Cave Johnson said! Cute, but misinterpreting the post. On May 05 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote: Numbers? What numbers? 13 2 6 3 2 2 13? They're just to cast more suspicion on me,like hey! Random numbers MUST be something! No. I just felt like typing them. My type of posting might be connected to English being my second language (the biggest thing is repeating names which I am not comfortable with,where in Polish I need to find 2347234 possibilities to avoid typing the same thing in one,even two sentences.) It was wrong to assume my thought process will apply to everyone and I understand that mistake. Just to put some emphasis: 13 2 6 3 2 2 13 is nothing,but I might get some link if You want to make them mystical,You know. Why would you post meaningless numbers? I'm fine with the explanation of why you post the way you post, but the numbers thing totally derails this post. Again, how are useless numbers beneficial to town? Actual good content. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote: I don't have any problem with this post because I agree with it. Good post.Your attacks on Chaoser and redtooth are not supported by any evidence than nitpicking,yes they are posting without much value,but we are just starting off. On May 05 2011 04:15 Kurumi wrote: Seriously. Never say that dead Town is a good deal,it makes You look weird or even suspicious I'll count this so that this section has more than 1 post in it, because this is a logical statement. On May 05 2011 05:29 Kurumi wrote: Sandroba,You were the person to grab the number trick to make me suspicious. Easy lynch for scum,isn't it? I don't accuse You of being red but.. You're trying to do it the easiest way. Don't keep doing it,please. When You don't think and just go straight You might miss something. On May 05 2011 05:30 Kurumi wrote: Stop doing it,please* Grammar,the horror! I'm calling this content despite my better judgement. He's calling out sandroba for joining a bandwagon based off of faulty evidence (I think). Fair enough. On May 05 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote: So basically I need to do something,because my fishy posting won't be a good defence for myself while I am gone. Kurumi used Excuse! Kurumi has some Excuses left! Excuse:This will be my first time doing a small analysis,so please don't beat me and lay down Your stones,pickaxes,guns or whatever You just picked up. Thanks. My thoughts on: Chaos13 Points out my weird style of posting,numbers and thinks it is huge scum tell. He is thinking on his own rails,probably not trying to doom us all. Sandroba Hero of our city! Scumhunts every post and every post he has new scum tell,amazing how he does it. Together with Chaos13 is picking on my posting. Irish_Punk13 Got on my rails or at least tries to understand what I try to tell. Points out AirbladeOrange suspicious behavior. Supposedly works for town. AirbladeOrange Wants me dead. Because dead townie is best townie,right? Since I have no contribution value I am worthless. Looks like that is not what he meant actually. Dead townie has no vote privilege! The less votes are available for town,the better for the scum! Suspicious,might be scum. Chaoser Very careful,does not like me hugging him. This is both-side reaction. Though because it is Day1 and his biggest contribution was the hint post I believe I can't decide who he is. KillerSOS Plays for fun,enjoys the game. Agreeds with the Irish_Punk13. ilovejonn Is as careful as Chaoser,has good idea who should be looked at. Kenpachi Has got this. I mean,the backup plan of course. Is onto something obviously. Overall,most of people are trying to hop on me,or AirbladeOrange for his bluff about dead townies. I know this is not SO helpful analysis that You'd hoped for,but look at top of the post. No. Don't pick up those. Please? It is about my excuse. Many of You already used them,some multiple amount of times,but I have no time to pick on it. I believe I will have time to post tomorrow after school (day ends 5:00 KST,right?) It's defensive, but it's content. I don't agree with some of it though. The Kenpachi part is BS, the ABO part is half OMGUS and half logic. Notice how the majority of his posts are spam, misinformation, or anti-town. Can you find the townie under all of this? because I can't. This guy isn't being pro-town, and in my opinion he's our best lynch for day 1. ##Vote: Kurumi + Show Spoiler + Whew, that took longer than I expected... | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:15 VarpuliS wrote: Kurumi Kurumi's posts can be divided into three categories. Useless spam, and misleading drivel, and actual content So much for proofreading... | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:33 KillerSOS wrote: At the rate this thread is moving, inactive means "haven't posted in the past hour". ^_^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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I'm new, this is my third game. Have I used it as an excuse? No. Excuses aren't helpful. I'm trying to help town the best that I can. My posts get disregarded as soon as I say "Hey I'm new don't listen to me." That's why i don't say it. Playing the newbie card isn't necessary. It's just going to hurt your argument. | ||
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Cthsazsa, you've used the "they want us to waste our votes" twice now, I believe. I've got my eye on you. You didn't respond well to jackal's tunneling, and now you disregard the reason elmizzt voted for you. FoS | ||
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On May 05 2011 12:58 elmizzt wrote: I don't normally, and I don't think I did in those posts? o.O Unless you misread or I typed ambiguously. Or unless you are referring to something else. Clarify please? Look at this post. Cthsazsa quotes you, responds to your post by saying: What else is there to say? He's calling me scum for no real reason. Your response is in the third person, even though he was asking about you. lol.Apparently he's trying to throw off everyone and get us to waste our day 1 votes. On May 05 2011 12:44 elmizzt wrote: It's possible, I doubt that he wants that though. More likely he was trying to see how you react to some mild pressure. But your way overreaction and attitude makes me think that a vote for you on day 1 wouldn't be wasted at all. | ||
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The correct response to tunneling, and somebody more experienced can correct me if I'm wrong, is to respond once and then ignore it. Not get into a "yes you are" "No i'm not" argument. | ||
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On May 05 2011 13:12 elmizzt wrote: Oh, I interpreted his post as referring to and defending his responses to jackal, so in my posts "he" was referring to jackal. Ah, I see. nvm then, I get what you were talking about. It's past midnight, and I have classes tomorrow. I'm going to sleep now, I'll see you all tomorrow. | ||
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Situation A: Kurumi flips scum, it is very likely that Irish is as well. We lynch Irish the next day, and we get our information, just a day later. Situation B: Kurumi flips town. Irish is probably town, we move on. The only real scumtell from Irish is noting Kurumi's "great posts" which don't exist. If Kurumi is town, then Irish is just an idiot. I'm posting from my phone, classes start soon and I probably won't have time to check the thread again until the afternoon. | ||
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My vote's staying on him. Someone a couple pages back corrected me about my "lynching for information theory." I think it was Aidnai. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for the future. On May 06 2011 05:15 Rising_Phoenix wrote: You know what, vote for me. I honestly can't handle so many posts and I don't have time to write something, I know I'm not contributing but I honestly thought I'd have the time to actually contribute to this but I don't. Maybe if there won't be another page of posts by the time I'm done writing this I'd be able to feel like there isn't such a huge amount of information coming in, but if you want me off I honestly don't mind right now. This looks to me like a townie getting bored. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets himself modkilled or replaced. | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:20 redtooth wrote: None. But the key word there isn't "townie". It's the word "plan". Could you please elaborate? His "plan" was not in any way town friendly, and sounds more like an excuse for his scummy posting earlier than an actual plan. | ||
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On May 06 2011 06:24 Cthsazsa wrote: I'm still waiting for you to address him. You said in a post after this^ that he's scummy, but you didn't explain how. Instead you made an indepth post defending Irish and Kurumi. He has. Multiple times + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 14:48 redtooth wrote: + Show Spoiler [Post Write-Up Disclaimer] + : @ Chaoser – I just read through it again and it has sort of a sharp tone. It’s really late so I can’t be bothered to go back and make it nicer. Just know that it isn’t meant to be a personal attack on your character. Honestly I would have liked to stay quiet a little bit longer to see how it progressed but since you guys are demanding it, here goes. This essay brought to you by Redtooth, the person who got attacked the last time he made a longpost. Warning, very long: FoS: Chaoser Reason 1: The Irish Lynch Push Honestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. Obviously not many people have been convinced, even though the reasoning behind this is pretty depressing in and of itself. Back to his strategy. I initially thought that it was just a prolonged Minimalist Approach, something I assumed he was doing ever since he hopped onto my RVS vote. He seemed to have dropped it after a certain point (which was fine with me since it was getting nowhere) but Irish suddenly appeared again as top suspect in a later post making it very clear that Chaoser is still actively pursuing a lynch on Irish. Since Irish can’t be bothered to defend himself (more on that later), let’s examine Chaoser’s main arguments point-by-point on his behalf (I will paraphrase for the sake of brevity). First off, that’s not a scumtell. When two people with Ghost icons start attacking you while acting like they know what they’re doing, you pay attention. As a matter of fact, would it not have been more odd if he didn’t react the way he did? I mean who is comfortable with two “vets” pressing you off the bat, regardless of how much support there is to those presses? I’m curious as to what a normal, expected reaction would have been. I’ll admit, I was pretty surprised at how much traction Irish’s argument got. However, I wouldn’t call it a “chainsaw defense” as much as it is a desperate attempt to look like you’re scumhunting. Irish didn’t have many choices in this position as he was expected to “hunt scum” and produce new and interesting content. He couldn’t accuse himself (duh). On the other hand, you would have spun an accusation if he jumped on the Kurumi wagon. Besides those two, there literally is nothing to go off of up to that point. This scenario is somewhat less likely so I won’t hold Chaoser as accountable for these 2 points. See above. There is a sudden expectation on him to create novel contributions to the thread and this honestly seems like a very half-hearted attempt to fulfill those expectations. And you’re right it wasn’t an EBWODP. It was an EBWOP. It’s a picky counterargument to a nitpicky argument. What difference does it make? If anything, it perfectly fits his character of noobtown. You’ve made it very clear that he’s not going to slip your grasp without a serious defense. So why hasn’t he posted one? Because he’s uninterested. Scum is way more likely to fight back til the bitter end (see KillerSOS below) rather than just semi-abandoning a game. It’s not like he’s trying to lurk through it either since his bandwagon seemed to be the biggest at one point. Now you may be saying, “Hey redtooth! This looks more like a defense of Irish than a FoS on Chaoser.” Well the problem is that either Chaoser should have recognized these or he did recognize but chose to ignore them. Since he seems to be a solid player so far, I’m leaning towards the latter and that is the scummiest action exhibited by anybody in this game so far (essentially actively and knowingly promoting a lynch on obvtown). Everyone, consider the following questions as objectively as possible: Is it very possible that Irish is simply a noobtown? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s “chainsaw defense” was actually just a noobtown analysis? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s lack of defense is in his lack of interest in staying alive? Yes Is it very possible that Chaoser is tunneling, intentional or otherwise? Yes Reason 2: Active Lurking Town has been giving Chaoser a LOT of credit for “contributing so much”. However, upon closer examination a lot of them are either logistical posts (request to focus, poke on lurkers, answer to questions, etc), offtopic, or pushing one of his four FoS. They all look good but break them down and there is very little to be had. As shown by one of the posts quoted above, his attention seems to be spread over four people atm: Irish (primary), Kurumi, KillerSOS, Sinani. I’ve already stated why I think Irish isn’t realscum but let’s address the others as well. Kurumi is that guy. He is the prototypical hyperactive townie who expended all that energy and lost interest midway through game after being pressured. Honestly, when was the last time someone so blatantly scum actually flipped scum? It’s pretty shocking and discouraging to see Kurumi leading in votes. However, it’s a super easy bandwagon to contribute to since there is a wealth of incriminating behavior and an easy target for active lurking. The FoS on Sinani is based off of one sentence that could easily have been due to him simply not reading the thread with much detail (very much within the realm of possibility since there’s so much clutter). Another easy-to-press person that was pressed. Relatively recent development so we’ll see how it goes. KillerSOS is actually a great lead (he’s near the top of my list). However, it’s odd that both KillerSOS and Irish are on the list since they are handling the pressure in totally opposite manners (one totally passive, one full aggressive). Odd behavior isn’t always scum behavior, something he should know very well. ANOTHER easy-to-press person to press, regardless of the merit in the argument. I won’t FoS Killer for now since it wouldn’t make sense for one to be on both him and Chaoser at this point. And by having 4 people FoS’d this early, Chaoser’s also implying that he’s found over half the scum team 36 hours into the game. I don’t know if it is part of his gamestyle to just mass accuse but all it does is create unfocused chatter as attention is split between 10 suspects and lines of arguments get muddled or skimmed over. You’re a liar if you can say that it is easy to focus on what’s happening in the thread right now. Ultimately, Chaoser’s actions haven’t been enough to place a vote on him yet. But since he seems to be steadily increasing his voice in town, I suggest you guys definitely approach his statements more warily then has happened thus far. From what’s been said in the thread, it seems like he played pretty well as town the previous game but that trust shouldn’t necessarily be carried into this game. He may be a great town member but it is just as likely that he is scum. I mean it’s gotten so ridiculous that players are now making blanket threats against those who dare even challenge the great Chaoser. What’s even more surprising is nobody has even said anything about that challenge. That isn’t to say I FoS’d him just to get you guys to pay attention. I genuinely do think it is suspicious that a “vet” would pursue these weird lynches and FoS. Logistical posts are neutraltells (WHY WONT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS?) as are offtopic stuff. That leaves just what I perceive to be a real subtle case of active lurking. I’ll watch how it continues to play out and I suggest the rest of town do the same. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 21:42 redtooth wrote: @Chaoser - I don't see how the argument is weak or convoluted. It essentially boils down to two things:
Out of all the actions taken in the thread so far, out of all the verbal missteps and the random disappearances and the smurf conspiracy theories, those seem to be the most scummy actions so far. If you believe Irish to be mafia and have a 70% confidence (pretty high mind you) then why is it that you've partially quit your attempt to press him other then to mention in passing that he's still your top suspect. You accuse me of not focusing but here you have 4 targets set before the town with none earning your full attention. Since you seem to be half-heatedly advocating for the Kurumi lynch, if he flips green would you agree that Irish is green as well? I think Kurumi's lynch is actually even more ridiculous but that's besides the point. It's not the fact that there is a simple "chance" of these things being likely, it's the fact that there seems to be a high chance of these things happening. I've re-read their posts numerous times and it isn't a far-fetch'd thing to say that most are simply noobtown. They all act suspicious as hell, almost to the point of playing with reckless abandon and not caring about the follwup. Do these sound like scum actions to you? As for "active lynching", yes I took a very liberal approach to the definition of it. But the bottom line stays the same - every action you took so far has been extraordinarily safe. You called out the people who were easy to call out, regardless of whether they actually seem more like noobtown or not. I can literally run through the thread and call out every ranting member for missteps in word usage and have 10+ well-justified FoS by the end but that doesn't contribute to the thread. What it does do is destroy focus, as evidenced by the game thus far. Scumhunting is incredibly sexy and screams I'M TOWN. Townhunting is not nearly as sexy but just as important and something that you've generally neglected to do. Not every FoS may be a lynch threat but obviously two (Irish and Kurumi) are. And since those two look pretty noobtown, I find it extremely odd that you continue advocating for their lynch. The reason why I didn't put a vote on you yet was because, I'll admit, there isn't enough evidence to totally convince me that you are scum. Talking percentages, I'd say I'm probably around 40% sure. But that 40% is more confidence I have in you being scum than literally anybody else in the thread except maybe KillerSOS. On the other hand, it doesn't make sense at this point to think both you and Killer are scum so a vote will have to wait until I can clear one or the other. @aidnai - Then why is it that people are literally tripping over themselves to keep credit and align themselves with Chaoser? As for Irish, he obviously didn't go inactive as part of a combined scum strategy to get the heat off of him since there are no PMs. If you think Irish actually is noobscum and exposed himself to all those real tells, don't you think he would have done the noobscum followup and aggressively defend himself? (See: KillerSOS) Let's do a math exercise. Consider, as objectively as possible, the following and write down the percent chance you think of each event happening.
On the other hand, do the same for Chaoser.
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Lyter Lyter has a sparse 3 posts in the real game. He claims to be entirely new to forum mafia, so he might just be overwhelmed, but this is still a suspicious lack of activity. + Show Spoiler [his posts] + On May 04 2011 23:54 Lyter wrote: This is my first game of Mafia on a forum, I've played quite a lot of the Mafia custom on SC2 so I know how it works but I'd consider myself a newbie in a big forum game like this. On May 05 2011 17:29 Lyter wrote: I'm not really buying all these random accusations flying around on day 1, maybe its just me, but I'd much rather see a night through so we actually have something to work with, at this point it is just pure guesswork imo. On May 05 2011 18:20 Lyter wrote: Ah didn't realise someone had to die, time to do some thinking His vote went to Irish_Punk13. On May 05 2011 22:24 Lyter wrote: ##Vote: Irish_Punk13 Kenpachi Maybe I'm just not familiar with his play, but he's been playing a quiet "post a 1 liner every once and a while" style. Of all the lurkers, he has had the most contributions. He put a placeholder on himself yesterday, and has voted for Forumite today. On May 06 2011 08:05 Kenpachi wrote: vote Kenpachi On May 07 2011 22:54 Kenpachi wrote: ##Vote Forumite Irish_Punk13 He was put in the hotseat early by redtooths RQS/RVS FoS, noted the great posts of Kurumi, voted for AirBladeOrange, and then disappeared. + Show Spoiler [posts of note] + On May 05 2011 06:30 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, I saw that Amber quoted Chaoser asking why I acted the way I did when I posted the link to UG. I didn't mean to come off as being really defensive or anything, I was just trying to give you evidence that I do play with those guys on UG and make it clear that I didn't want to waste any more time on it. I'm keeping my vote as is for now because I haven't found anything that sounds more suspicious than AirbladeOrange. I'm going to go focus on my other game for now, and I'll get back to this in a bit. On May 05 2011 04:22 Irish_Punk13 wrote: Okay, for now my vote is going on AirbladeOrange for his last post. I don't like the fact that he's okay with the idea of lynching town. Kurumi is making some great posts so far, and I think he's most likely town based off of his actions so far. The fact that you think it's okay to lynch him tells me that you're probably scum, so I'm putting my vote on you. His vote: On May 05 2011 04:23 Irish_Punk13 wrote: ##Vote AirbladeOrange Takuna He has a total of ONE post in this thread. Granted, it was of higher quality than a number of posts I can mention (including most of mine ), but it's still only 1 post. + Show Spoiler [Takuna's post] + On May 06 2011 02:13 Takuna wrote: Hi you all, sry for late posting, but don't worry, now I'm here :D This is actually my first game here at TL, i played it rl on a couple of (drunk) occasions. Took quite a while to read the whole thread, so here are my thoughts.... Kurumi: His average posts arent of a very high quality, but he did force a lot of statements about him by this, with actually should help town regardless of the fact if he is scum or not. But he should be more precise and futue and he is already trying. Irish_Punk13/Airbladeorange totally confused by this discussion now. They are cases, but non of them actually convinces me yet enough to lynch them. For this day i will go with Cthsazsa, he was winding like a snake after being accused, for me the strongest case up to date. ##Vote: Cthsazsa He did in fact vote for Cthsazsa. On May 06 2011 02:13 Takuna wrote: ##Vote Cthsazsa Beneather Has maintained a 3:1 ratio of posts pre-game to posts in-game. ironically, two of his three ingame posts are are about lurkers and inactives. He voted at the last minute without making a post in the real thread. + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 08:19 Beneather wrote: Mafia slip :o Even if they do not participate in the discussion they still kill two of us. If they're inactive that means that they're lurking and don't want to get in to arguments to put suspicion on them so they do not get lynched. Pressuring inactives will make them active and find out if they're actually scum. On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote: Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. On May 05 2011 08:40 Beneather wrote: An inactive person is someone who is not posting or participating in actions is your definition of inactive? I really doubt that the whole mafia team is going to be inactive. It only needs one person to send in the kills. Also, the Host would know that the mafia is inactive and would probrably have to restart the game. So when we here inactive we think of lurkers it's the most logical way to think. 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lurking=/=scum, but lurking helps scum more than town, so i'd like to crack down on it. As for who I think are scum, Cthsazsa and Amber[LighT] are my prime suspects. @ilovejonn: say no more. | ||
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Cthsazsa is scum Why?
1. Let's leave the "is redtooth scum" argument at the door, shall we? It doesn't matter if he's scum, or If what he suggests is the right way to go about it, but his initiative to clean up posting is decidedly town friendly, in my opinion. That said, there are good arguments against it. Cthsazsa's is not one of those good arguments. On May 07 2011 07:41 Cthsazsa wrote: It's clear that Redtooth is derailing the thread and taking attention away from scumhunting by creating his own set of rules that we "have" to follow. I look at day one, and i see a mess. It's a mess that we all contributed to, and it's a mess that needs cleaning up. Doing so in a night phase while nobody had anything more to say is hardly derailing the thread. This is not the first time he's done this, however. On May 05 2011 12:34 Cthsazsa wrote: What else is there to say? He's calling me scum for no real reason. Apparently he's trying to throw off everyone and get us to waste our day 1 votes. the OMGUS defense, which is bad enough on its own, is only made worse by the
The idea that because somebody is bringing up a new point or trying to improve the standard of posting is simply scum trying to derail the thread seems to me like it comes from scum trying to keep the town focused on the wrong people and doing the wrong things. 2a. Cthsazsa's votes: On May 05 2011 06:49 Cthsazsa wrote: ##VOTE: AirbladeOrange he only makes one post on the subject of ABO.+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote: AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay. On May 05 2011 12:26 Cthsazsa wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Irish_Punk13 His reasoning? A lot of people have pointed out that Irish_Punk13 is scummy. On May 07 2011 14:32 Cthsazsa wrote: ##Vote: Redtooth His vote on redtooth is because of a lot of little things, it seems. He makes a bunch of 1 liners about how scummy redtooth is for defending Kurumi/Irish_Punk13, says that his attempts to rally the town is scummy, then votes for him. there is no solid. "redtooth is scum, and this is why post". Instead, we get these. + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2011 01:51 Cthsazsa wrote: I stated my reasons for voting for you, and I was the third person to do so. I would hardly call that bandwagoning. And if you really think that it is, the same came go to you too. You're just following AO and Conversion in their arguments against me so that the attention is diverted away from you, scum. As for Jackal58's death. Of course that was no coincidence. The mafia is probably using me as a scapegoat. As far as I can tell, the mafia had two benefits from kill Jackal. 1, it would make me look mafia, 2, He was a more experienced player, and if he was removed than he wouldn't be a threat in the future. Come on, think about it. If you were mafia, why the hell would you kill the person that was on your ass the hardest? That'll just raise even more suspicions. The Mafia is trying to get us to waste our day vote, just as you are trying to get us to waste time from scumhunting with rather useless topics. + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2011 10:44 Cthsazsa wrote: Just finished reading through the last 2 pages I missed. I'm rather not sure what to say. Sandroba, AO, Eternalmisfit, you all have some pretty interesting arguments. A few times they've had me reconsider my vote. Especially the ones about Amber and beneather. But my thought on redtooth being scum is still adamant. I apologize if my initial analysis on him was rather vague. I wouldn't even call it an analysis, myself. But a few people have already gave their analysis on him, so I'm just repeating obvious things people have already stated. I probably appear quiet now because no one's tunneling me? lol. What analysis? Either i missed something (no all button=sad Varpy) or he's just spewing bullshit to appear pro-town. In addition, the first post is filled with OMGUS and WIFOM. That's a strike against already. 2b. His actual analysis: + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 13:57 Cthsazsa wrote: My take on the situation before I go to bed. + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote: On VarpuliS 22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia. He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. Actually, I did do something about it. I looked up Beneather's post history in this thread. VarpuliS was wrong. Beneather posted 3 times since the game started. The three posts he made don't have much value to them, though. He asked Forumite to analyze the posts. Forumite did, but very poorly. After Forumite's analysis, Beneather never commented on it. In fact he never talked about it again. This dude's clearly lurking. As for my one liner, I apologize DropBear. My girlfriend was in the hospital, and I couldn't resist checking up on the thread while I was waiting. So I hastily gave my opinion of him, which was a mistake. I should've waited until now to give my analysis. DropBear, you also said I didn't do anything about it. Well, neither have you. And on your post against VarpuliS, you do a really good job pointing out his slipups. You've pretty much stated why he is one of my FoS. That is exactly what VarpuliS said, you even quoted it. I find that to be a horrible reason to call someone scum. Not because I'm the target in it, but because you can use that argument on literally anyone. Forumite Why he is becoming a FoS in my books. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote: If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:33 Forumite wrote: Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? + Show Spoiler + On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote: Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? Lets make comparisons between those posts by Forumite. Each of these posts are either asking a question or making a statement to continue the argument. They aren't worth any value, don't contribute, and all they do is draw out pointless/stupid arguments that don't benefit the town. In his last post before Kurumi's death, he hops on the bandwagon and switches his vote to Kurumi. My top 3 FoS right now are Beneather, Forumite, and VarspuliS He FoS's Beneather, Forumite, and some strange fellow named VarspuliS (jkjk). Does he vote for any of us? does he actually press for a lynch on any of us? No. Why would he, if he knows that each of us is town, and that getting us lynched would only make him more suspicious. This screams scum to me. Conclusion: For these reasons, and a number of other minor ones (defends himself with WIFOM, his reaction to Jackal's tunneling, Jackal dying last night), Cthsazsa is scum. | ||
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On May 09 2011 02:18 Cthsazsa wrote: And I just realized, you are using the very termed you coined on me, WIFOM. WIFOM You think that I coined that? I'm flattered, but no. It's very, very common. | ||
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On May 09 2011 02:10 Cthsazsa wrote: EBWODP: Also, according to your reasoning, you are saying that everyone who voted for Kurumi is town, because he flipped town when he was lynched. And whoever gets lynched and flips red, those who voted for said person are also scum. And if redtooth flips green, than that must make me and orglove town as well. And if I'm town, that also makes you town. But you claim I am scum and you are voting for me, so you aren't town, but scum. If this is how you reason, you're going to be stuck in a big circle. That is not how I reason. I fail to understand how you came to that conclusion. On May 09 2011 02:03 Cthsazsa wrote: I don't understand? Scum aren't supposed to vote lynch on townies? Scum are supposed to vote lynches on eachother so as to not look suspicious, as you are saying? According to your logic, that makes you scum also. And you also believe that beneather and Forumite are town? Please explain that. I never said that you three aren't still FoS, but I did say that redtooth seems more of a viable target right now. And I said why. The reason this is suspicious is because your FoS list does not include anybody who you voted for. You've never pressed for a lynch on or attempted in earnest to lynch those on your FoS list. I'm town. I know that. I'm not sure about the other two, but Beneather is most likely disinterested town who's going to get modkilled. Forumite could be either. I'm not making any real conclusions about the alignments of those of us on your FoS list. I simply find it scummy how you decide not to pressure or attempt to lynch those of us that you suspect, instead agreeing with the opinion of Dropbear and a couple of others about Redtooth. I've noticed a conntection between you and Dropbear. I'm getting a town read from him, but it's strange how you keep agreeing with him (you don't actually analyze me, you just quote his analysis). example: Your reasons for voting for Redtooth are literally just paraphrasing Dropbear's argument. | ||
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On May 09 2011 04:53 Cthsazsa wrote: I'm getting off for a while. Gotta spend time with my madre. I changed my vote to sandroba. What the hell happened to Redtooth? 10 people haven't voted yet, it's hardly a lost cause... | ||
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Somewhere around page 55, Jaminz posted something along the lines of "KillerSOS could be blue" Chaoser responded with "I was hoping you wouldn't say that" That's the hint he was referring to. | ||
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On May 05 2011 11:11 jaminz wrote: Are you saying you're a blue? That's a really dumb thing to say either way. On May 05 2011 11:12 chaoser wrote: ....I was hoping you wouldn't actually post this btw... | ||
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I think that this bet is just about the stupidest thing a townie could do, and I don't like the idea of lynching somebody because he was wrong. | ||
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On May 09 2011 07:50 sandroba wrote: @redtooth how about you take out the vig shot part? That's terrible for town either way. And I would like to propose a bet for you aswell. Change you vote to amber and If he flips green I'll admit I am retarded townie and will support all your lynches for now on. If he flips red than you admit you are a retarded townie and will support all my lynches. How's that for a bet? Why would that be a good idea ever? If redtooth is mafia, he'll only take the bet if he knows that he's going to win. Result: mafia gets an extra vote. If sandroba is mafia, he already knows that he's going to win, and if redtooth accepts, it's a free vote for mafia. | ||
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Switching my vote now. | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:49 sinani206 wrote: Wait what? A six person swing vote? Aren't there six mafia? Wait, what? Chaoser claimed DT and we're making the logical decision to lynch the person he said came back mafia? | ||
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On May 09 2011 11:54 Eternalmisfit wrote: He is the guy who voted for kevconsim, the player who replaced Rising_phoenix and then asked to be replaced again. Back on the last minute change, if chaoser is blue and Amber flips red, my entire analysis of the day has been garbage. I was quite certain that Sandroba and Chaoser were scum and working together. Mine's pretty bad too. I've been pressing for a lynch on Cthsazsa all day, and for pretty bad reasons too. | ||
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Cthsazsa is most likely noobtown, but I wouldn't mind a DT check on him later on (tonight I would focus on those on the list) Oh yeah, and vigi's, don't go near redtooth. I know he lost the bet, but he's an asset at this point. | ||
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Martyring yourself is not the answer. | ||
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If you don't, i'm definitely going to call you scum. | ||
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On May 10 2011 10:36 Cthsazsa wrote: Wtf, this post hardly makes any sense. Why would you call him scum, then? If I analyze him and determine that he's scummy, I'll call him scum. I was simply stating that him posting his analysis would not be a contributing factor in me calling him scum, as long as the analysis is good. | ||
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chaoser's got some major balls with the fake dt claim. My guess is that the medics ignored our requests to protect him and mafia double-stacked. What the hell was GGQ thinking? | ||
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On May 10 2011 12:26 Cthsazsa wrote: Why do you guys want the vig to claim? Putting himself out there is pretty close to suicide. Our medics won't even protect an obv blue, so doing that is just asking to get killed by scum. Claiming vig after the shot is like claiming townie. it doesn't make you any more of a target. Oh yeah, and I'm tending to agree that we don't have any medics. It's either that or the medics are incredibly stupid. | ||
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I'll make sure to try my best to help us win, but for now I am going to bed. Took the words right out of my mouth. Night all! | ||
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About the other two prime suspects: I think that Sinani206 is definitely a stronger lynch than ilovejohn. I've got a town read on Dropbear, because he pointed out all of the times he's been wrong. That's a really stupid thing for scum to do, and he doesn't seem like a stupid guy. Not sure though. Sinani206 He has literally three posts that are not 1/2 liners or jokes/trolling. + Show Spoiler [post 1] + On May 05 2011 10:31 sinani206 wrote: OK, back from practice. + Show Spoiler [Redtooth] + He is probably the most confusing player right now. First he accuses Irish for no reason, but then takes it back, followed by a policy post. His excuse was that he was trying to see how quickly people defended Irish, but what if that was plan B? Redtooth hasn't posted in a while now, and this has kinda died down, but I just want to remind everyone about what happened earlier. Don't just throw things away as soon as he makes an excuse. + Show Spoiler [Chaoser] + Chaoser was very aggressive at first, of course starting with his accusation of Irish which was followed by additional aggressive posting. But then he calmed down a little. Is it because his Mafia buddies told him to, so as not to be targeted? That is the main question I have here. + Show Spoiler [Jackal58] + Aggressive, but in a neutral way. Nothing he has said swings me one way or the other. He plays very well. You get a star! lol. + Show Spoiler [Irish_Punk13] + May have overreacted to accusation, but that was probably just surprise... I don't blame him. He then blames AirbladeOrange, which isn't too suprising. More on him next. + Show Spoiler [AirbladeOrange] + Very suspicious with not much of a defense. Possible vote right here. + Show Spoiler [Cthsazsa] + Posting, but no real substance. Another possible vote. + Show Spoiler [Forumite] + Very analytical, no aggressiveness. + Show Spoiler [Others] + Nobody else really stands out enough or has enough posts for me to analyze their play. Just keep posting, people! What does he say here?
I this post just feels overall off to me. The defense of Irish + the suspicion of Chaoser/redtooth (confirmed vet/likely townie) and agreeing making suggestions of who to lynch without giving good reasons (1 sentence is not a good reason) compound to make this post seem... off. + Show Spoiler [post 2] + On May 05 2011 10:51 sinani206 wrote: Calls Kurumi very analytical (wtf), but says that aggressiveness and persistence mean that Kurumi is scum, so he'll vote for him. I'm not calling him scum because he was wrong, but he gave a really half-assed reason for the vote. Seems to me like a mafia trying to join the bandwagon. Upon looking through his posts again, I found a reason for the vote. It's a 1 liner, so I skipped over it originally + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 11:41 sinani206 wrote: Kurumi has just been generally unhelpful and detrimental to the town. Must I say more? + Show Spoiler [post 3] + [QUOTE]On May 08 2011 23:51 sinani206 wrote: Lyter chaos13 kevconsim Takuna Beneather This is the list of people that have not contributed to day 2. At least some of the scum must hide in the inactives. Kevconsim was a replacement for Rising_Phoneix, who did not even vote on day 1. Rising_Phoenix is an extreme case of inactivity, which is a scumtell. Kevconsim has inherited his role and is doing the same thing. This is VERY suspicious. As such, my vote is for kevconsim unless he starts posting some useful stuff and voting. ##Vote: kevconsim Who do you think is scum, kev? 3/5 of the people on that list were green/blue. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the other two probably are as well. He leaves Irish_Punk13 off that list quite conveniently. That wraps it up. Those are seriously Sinani206's only quality posts. He's lurking loudly and not contributing, and that screams scum to me. Add that to the fact that he his only real posts are either misinformation or filled with suspicious reads, and I'm ready to lynch this guy right now. | ||
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On May 11 2011 08:50 Forumite wrote: Staying silent now is the most anti-town thing you can do. Start posting. How's that for posting? btw i got the mods to change my name, so there's no longer a capital "s." Didn't Kenpachi claim vigi? | ||
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On May 11 2011 09:22 Cthsazsa wrote: @Varpulis, yup he claimed responsible. What does "claimed responsible" mean? Do you mean he claimed that he was responsible for the hit on GGQ? | ||
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and now, a random poem about how the thread died for a few hours. + Show Spoiler [poem] + The thread is dead, and I do mourn, for too soon was it's life spent, too soon it's life adjourned, and to an early grave it went. At times, it was derailed, and so redtooth did cry. But in our confusion, scumslips flew like flies. six scum began amongst us, six devious deceitful demons. though four hast yet escaped us, the rest, they could not flee. I plead that thou shalt be reborn so we might begin to hunt once more to post and read and think, so we might catch those final four. | ||
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Let's talk about who's scum and who's not instead of my terrible poetry. | ||
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On May 11 2011 12:56 kitaman27 wrote: If I find out that you wrote the poem to intentionally have someone point out that you forgot the number of remaining mafia then I'm really going to hate you :p lol no. I think I mentioned before that I can't count when i'm tired. /end derailment | ||
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I'm off to sleep. I'll see you guys tomorrow, possibly with a fake dt claim to convince you about Sinani with 10 minutes until the lynch. Note: disregard anything nonsensical in this post. I'm not thinking straight right now. | ||
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On May 12 2011 03:51 sinani206 wrote: My situation is similar to Airblade's. I guess I'll vote EternalMisfit as well, as there seems to be more proof that he is scum than anyone else. Also, he was one of the people that voted for me. I have practice tonight and then an application interview so might not get home until 9:00 PDT. If I get home before 8:00 though, then I might change my vote depending on any new developments. But for now, ##Vote EternalMisfit An OMGUS vote, (and joining a bandwagon) excuses for not posting, and ignoring completely the accusations against you. Great contributions. Why aren't we lynching this guy yet? I'm still not sold on EM, but if he does flip town, we can safely lynch ilovejohn tomorrow, so a mislynch wouldn't be all bad. I still prefer Sinani, though. Everybody should put their vote on either Sinani or EM. Don't just vote for somebody, make a quality post explaining
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Redtooth, where art thou? | ||
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@forumite why are you concerned that people are voting for Sinani? | ||
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On May 12 2011 06:52 Forumite wrote: None of them had a really good reason to vote for the other, except "better you than me". EM said "I´ll vote for sinani206 unless I come back before night" sinani206 said "It looks like there is most evidence on EM" Oh, I didn't know that that was his reason. That's a bad reason too. If they're all giving bad reasons for their votes, it sort of cancels out, doesn't it? I'll drop this line of accusation for now, but I urge everybody to give a good, thought out reason for your votes. | ||
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Bad reasons are
The more effort you put into it the better. At this point I don't really expect much, because everything that there is to say about these guys has pretty much been said. | ||
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I say we keep EM around for another day or two, because I'm genuinely getting a town read from him, and he's much more active and helpful to the town. I really don't see how EM is a superior lynch. Cut the "his flip will tell us about ilovejohn" crap. I'm going to actually expand my list of people to vote for to include ilovejohn. If you want to know ilovejohn/EM's alignment, lynch ilovejohn. He's been less town friendly, and loosing him if he's town isn't as bad as loosing EM if he's town, which I think he is. | ||
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On May 12 2011 08:02 Varpulis wrote: yep. All I need is a reason that is a) your own opinion and b) not utter BS. Bad reasons are
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+ Show Spoiler [Sinani206's scummy post] + On May 12 2011 01:56 sinani206 wrote: I am really confused about everything that is going on. I have been reading the thread, but it is hard to understand something as unorganized as this. Maybe I'm missing something? I am not sure who to agree with. All of the accusations make sense. Eternalmisfit seems like he could be Mafia, and there is definitely good evidence to prove this. Ilovejonn claimed townie and seems suspicious, however he was also the one that first FoS'ed EM. I admit that my accusation of Kevconsim was quite stupid, reading back a few posts, but again, I hadn't seen the post about his emergency when I posted that accusation. Just because I am the easiest target doesn't mean you should gang up on me. In Sc2 Mafia, when the silent people get lynched, the loud ones turn out to be Mafia. It's scummy to me because
Is Sinani winning the vote now? With elmizzt I think it's 7-6 in favor of Sinani, with EM as a close second. Am i wrong? | ||
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On May 12 2011 09:24 Impervious wrote: Ok, what the hell? Within a few hours of his lynch, he starts to look useful to the town, and you decide to get cold feet all of a sudden? Do you not remember the shit he was pulling earlier? He actually asked a vigi to hit HIM, in what seems like a fairly obvious ploy to take pressure off of both him and GGQ (and GGQ was red if you recall). Among other things. He's been detrimental, until the last few hours, now he's trying to save his skin..... Except that him "saving his skin" translates into pro town play, whereas Sinani's "saving his skin" translates into making excuses and claiming noob. Why would scum ask for a vigi hit on themselves? If the vigi listens, the scum dies, and if the vigi doesn't, then nothing is gained. I really don't see how that's scum play. I see it as a frustrated townie trying to prove his innocence. | ||
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On May 12 2011 09:49 Varpulis wrote: Alright then, if you wish. I'll acknowledge that there's a good chance that EM is scum, and I'm just plain wrong. I don't have a great track record for nailing scum (evidence: Sleeper Cell) EBWOP: that was @sandroba's decision to vote EM after all. | ||
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@thread I really have no clue whether EM is scum or not, but I can see where the argument comes from. I'm content with lynching him today, but not overjoyed about it. | ||
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On May 12 2011 10:51 Conversion wrote: ##Vote: Conversion not enough time, sorry guys. | ||
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He's better off dead. | ||
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the flip of one called scum. Be he one of the remaining three? If so, i would feel quite dumb. | ||
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on the morrow i will return, and set the scum on fire, and watch their red skin burn. | ||
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I'd like to point out that his scumlist is based off of a bullshit points system based off of voting patterns. Evidently, nothing that has been going on in the game has any bearing on that scumlist. I call bullshit. Town is terrible and deserves to loose? We lynched scum on day two, vigi'd scum on night three, and have an almost guaranteed scum to lynch tomorrow. I'd say that we're doing fine. I'm going to stop posting and start sleeping before i stop making sense. I'll make sure to post my reads, opinions, advice, etc. right before the day post hits, because I'm scared that I'm going to take a hit tonight. | ||
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I'm already not making sense. | ||
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By the way, I apologize if some of my comments earlier came off as arrogant. That was not my intent. | ||
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Other than that, there isn't much to say. | ||
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1) his only real contribution was pretty much bullshit. 2) He was one of the players on the line in an incredibly close lynch. EM flipped town, which leads me to believe that Sinani is scum. Also, my analysis still stands. He's lurking. He's not playing batshit insane like Kurumi or noob like Cthsazsa, he's just lurking and not contributing. ps. Claiming to not understand doesn't mean you actually don't understand. If he actually wanted to figure out what's going on, he'd ask questions to better his understanding, like Cthsazsa was. | ||
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Scum Sinani206 I've already said why multiple times, but I'll say it again. -He's not contributing -He's using inexperience as an excuse -He wasn't lynched because of a bandwagon on a townie. Because this lynch was so close, this makes him even more suspicious. ilovejonn I'm not sure about him, but he's been relatively suspicious. He's worth checking out after lynching Sinani orgolove I disagree with his methods, and to me his data seems tailored not to point out actual scum. Again, somebody to check out after Sinani. Could just be a townie who I disagree with though, not sure. Apart from these, I don't have very good scumreads on anybody else. The only solid read I've got is on Sinani. Town Sandroba Pretty much got confirmed when Amber[LighT] flipped, iirc DropBear Aggressively analyzing, admitting his mistakes, overall good town play. Cthsazsa There's no way that both he and Amber were scum. Kenpachi vigi. 'nuff said. I don't have time right now to post what I think about each player. I'm sure I'm forgetting some people. If I die tonight, lynch Sinani. Don't argue, don't try to find a better target, just lynch Sinani. | ||
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Wrong =/= scum. Saying "I give up, just lynch me" makes me very suspicious. orgolove did it, and people aren't discussing him anymore, so you're going to try it too? | ||
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redtooth, I'd love to hear your opinion more. Staying quiet is not pro-town. | ||
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there are what, 29 hours left in the day? ilovejonn has hardly "slipped through the cracks." If you want him lynched so bad, why don't you try to convince us? If you're not going to try, I'm not going to listen to you. The only argument that you've given is that he's been talked about a lot. I'm ignoring your data, because it's not reliable. If you can give me a solid argument, I'll bite. DropBear almost has me convinced already. | ||
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I'm going to throw a vote on him for now. I'll post more substantial reasons why tomorrow, assuming nothing changes. | ||
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As it stands, his analysis and contribution is better than ilovejonn's. Sinani hasn't posted "i'm town just lynch me," and sinani doesn't have strong connections to anybody in the game because he's been so quiet. Jonn has, and he has potential connections with ABO and jaminz, iirc. You wrote the wall on ilovejonn. Do you think that you were right? | ||
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On May 14 2011 15:02 DropBear wrote: Varpuli, I've saying almost exactly the same thing as orgolove. Ilovejonn and AirbladeOrange are on his top 4 list. I've been saying ilovejonn and AirbladeOrange. He's wrong, but I'm right? That's a blatant contradiction. I'm asking him to elaborate on his belief that ilovejonn is scum. You have, he hasn't. Your posts make a lot of sense regarding ilovejonn. I'm asking him to put in some effort if he wants to get jonn lynched. H'e not wrong, he's just not trying to show us why he's right, so i'm asking him to. I see no contradiction. | ||
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On May 13 2011 08:13 sandroba wrote: LOL if sinani is mafia imprevious is pretty much mafia aswell =). We keep arguing about sinani and imprevious keep diverting attention to the night 1 kills. I was suspicious of Rising_Phoenix day1 and imprevious posts with questions leading to suspicion towards other people are very scummy indeed. On May 13 2011 08:13 sandroba wrote: Imprevious if sinani flips mafia you are next on my list =) On May 13 2011 08:26 sandroba wrote: Ok, but it my other points stand. Our best bet is to lynch sinani tomorrow. If he flips mafia we proceed to lynch imp>jonn. On May 13 2011 08:45 sandroba wrote: Let's not discuss this further. kev asked for a replacement and he got it. Either way if sinani is scum imprevious is scum 100%. You can be sure of it. In these posts he is basically saying two things: I'm going to vote for Sinani tomorrow, so i'm trying to figure out what we'd do next, and that imp is scum if sinani is. If Sinani was town, wouldn't scum want to keep the townies voting for him around for a little longer? Also, it's possible that his conjecture is correct, and mafia hit him to keep him from pursuing imprevious after sinani flips. I'm going to switch back to sinani for now. | ||
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With sinani flipping scum, I'm pretty confident that ilovejonn isn't. I'm also quite suspicious that orgolove is. He could very well be the godfather. I think it's time to look at the experienced players who haven't been active and town friendly lately. That list includes, but is not limited to: redtooth orgolove jaminz thoughts? Any more names you think should go on that list? | ||
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On May 15 2011 12:37 orgolove wrote: Btw varpulis, if I really was red, then I would've known that sinai was a red. Given that, would I really have posted the following, right after the first fake day post? I'd be proven immediately wrong, in fact, within 5 minutes. Would I really have purposefully put in that position? WifoM. As for your other point, I'll concede you that you didn't have access to sufficient data, so I'll drop the data shtick for now. | ||
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Welcome to the game. If you'd like a quick summary: The game began with a bandwagon lynch on Kurumi, a townie with erratic and confusing posting. Nobody had any real idea who the mafia were, but Irish_Punk13 was FoS'd by redtooth. Night one we lost A detective, a night vigi, and a townie to night kills. Day two was exciting. We were set on lynching Cthsazsa all day, until chaoser claimed dt with a red check on Amber[LighT]. chaoser was actually a veteran. 4 pllayers were modkilled. Beneather and Lyter, both day vigilantes, Irish_Punk13, a mafia goon, and Takuna. Night two the scumteam stacked on chaoser, we learned that we have no medics, and Kenpachi, a night vigilante, hit GGQ, a mafia roleblocker. Day three was a close lynch between EternalMisfit and sinani206. ilovejonn was brought up as a suspect. We ended up lynching EternalMisfit. Night three we lost sandroba, a very pro-town player, and Cthsazsa. Before he died, sandroba brought up a possible connection between sinani206 and Impervious. Day 4 we were torn between lynching ilovejonn and sinani206. We ended up lynching sinani206. And that brings us to today. a number of vets have been quiet and anti-town lately, and ilovejonn's scumminess is still up for debate. There are 2 mafia and 13 townies remaining. | ||
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It is interesting, though, how redtooth was defending irish and pushing chaoser. He chainsaw defends Irish by calling chaoser scum for FoSing him. I'm starting to become very suspicious that redtooth is gf. | ||
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If we do have medics, then they decided not to save chaoser or sandroba, a claimed dt (it was a bluff, but nobody knew that) and a guaranteed townie. There are two explanations:
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redtooth I have recently come to the conclusion that redtooth is scum. Reason 1: Irish_Punk13 puts some random pressure on Irish_punk13, supposedly to get him talking. As soon as people start to take him seriously, he begins hardcore defending Irish. + Show Spoiler [original pressure question] + On May 04 2011 11:39 redtooth wrote: ^ Then please keep your comments out of thread to reduce clutter. Anyways, let us proceed with the game. Hey Irish_Punk13, I have a question for you: How good does it feel to be scum? Want me to explain how I figured it out so fast? Obvscumtell. Please be more discrete next time. I'll put my vote on as soon as the thread gets made. 1 scum down, 5 to go. + Show Spoiler [repeated defenses] + There's an obscenely long post calling chaoser scum because he's pressuring Irish_Punk. It's a chainsaw defense, and it starts with the following:[ On May 05 2011 14:48 redtooth wrote: FoS: Chaoser Reason 1: The Irish Lynch Push Honestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. Obviously not many people have been convinced, even though the reasoning behind this is pretty depressing in and of itself On May 05 2011 21:42 redtooth wrote: @Chaoser - I don't see how the argument is weak or convoluted. It essentially boils down to two things:
note that chaoser has correctly pegged what, four scum now? On May 06 2011 05:41 redtooth wrote: Irish I still think is town. Kurumi, I'll have to check again. Still leaning towards town though. Actually, where the hell did you even get that line of thought from my previous post? I'm running out of time to make this post, so I'll summarize the rest of my thoughts: He states how terrible the town is after 1 mislynch and then imposes ridiculous rules in an attempt to clean up town's posting. This seems like an attempt to seem pro-town. When people show resistance, he gives up. He's been on the wrong side of a couple of arguments, including irish_Punk and Amber (up until the roleclaim). he voted for himself day 3 and has been very quiet lately. Let's see if I live today, if so i'll elaborate. | ||
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@whoever was wondering if Kenpachi was actually vigi: I told you so. | ||
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Going to hit the sack now, got school tomorrow, so won't be super active for around 18 hours. | ||
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redtooth Reason 1: Irish_Punk13. redtooth puts some random pressure on Irish_punk13, supposedly to get him talking. As soon as people start to take him seriously, he begins hardcore defending Irish. + Show Spoiler [original pressure question] + On May 04 2011 11:39 redtooth wrote: ^ Then please keep your comments out of thread to reduce clutter. Anyways, let us proceed with the game. Hey Irish_Punk13, I have a question for you: How good does it feel to be scum? Want me to explain how I figured it out so fast? Obvscumtell. Please be more discrete next time. I'll put my vote on as soon as the thread gets made. 1 scum down, 5 to go. As mentioned previously, this is not in itself a scummy quote, nor is the first defense of irish_punk13. What is scummy, however, is how he attacks chaoser for making his own analysis on Irish_Punk. His post is here. i've bolded the parts that stand out to me in red. (warning, it's very long) + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2011 14:48 redtooth wrote: + Show Spoiler [Post Write-Up Disclaimer] + : @ Chaoser – I just read through it again and it has sort of a sharp tone. It’s really late so I can’t be bothered to go back and make it nicer. Just know that it isn’t meant to be a personal attack on your character. Honestly I would have liked to stay quiet a little bit longer to see how it progressed but since you guys are demanding it, here goes. This essay brought to you by Redtooth, the person who got attacked the last time he made a longpost. Warning, very long: FoS: Chaoser Reason 1: The Irish Lynch Push Honestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. Obviously not many people have been convinced, even though the reasoning behind this is pretty depressing in and of itself. Back to his strategy. I initially thought that it was just a prolonged Minimalist Approach, something I assumed he was doing ever since he hopped onto my RVS vote. He seemed to have dropped it after a certain point (which was fine with me since it was getting nowhere) but Irish suddenly appeared again as top suspect in a later post making it very clear that Chaoser is still actively pursuing a lynch on Irish. Since Irish can’t be bothered to defend himself (more on that later), let’s examine Chaoser’s main arguments point-by-point on his behalf (I will paraphrase for the sake of brevity). First off, that’s not a scumtell. When two people with Ghost icons start attacking you while acting like they know what they’re doing, you pay attention. As a matter of fact, would it not have been more odd if he didn’t react the way he did? I mean who is comfortable with two “vets” pressing you off the bat, regardless of how much support there is to those presses? I’m curious as to what a normal, expected reaction would have been. I’ll admit, I was pretty surprised at how much traction Irish’s argument got. However, I wouldn’t call it a “chainsaw defense” as much as it is a desperate attempt to look like you’re scumhunting. Irish didn’t have many choices in this position as he was expected to “hunt scum” and produce new and interesting content. He couldn’t accuse himself (duh). On the other hand, you would have spun an accusation if he jumped on the Kurumi wagon. Besides those two, there literally is nothing to go off of up to that point. This scenario is somewhat less likely so I won’t hold Chaoser as accountable for these 2 points. See above. There is a sudden expectation on him to create novel contributions to the thread and this honestly seems like a very half-hearted attempt to fulfill those expectations. And you’re right it wasn’t an EBWODP. It was an EBWOP. It’s a picky counterargument to a nitpicky argument. What difference does it make? If anything, it perfectly fits his character of noobtown. You’ve made it very clear that he’s not going to slip your grasp without a serious defense. So why hasn’t he posted one? Because he’s uninterested. Scum is way more likely to fight back til the bitter end (see KillerSOS below) rather than just semi-abandoning a game. It’s not like he’s trying to lurk through it either since his bandwagon seemed to be the biggest at one point. Now you may be saying, “Hey redtooth! This looks more like a defense of Irish than a FoS on Chaoser.” Well the problem is that either Chaoser should have recognized these or he did recognize but chose to ignore them. Since he seems to be a solid player so far, I’m leaning towards the latter and that is the scummiest action exhibited by anybody in this game so far (essentially actively and knowingly promoting a lynch on obvtown). Everyone, consider the following questions as objectively as possible: Is it very possible that Irish is simply a noobtown? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s “chainsaw defense” was actually just a noobtown analysis? Yes Is it very possible that Irish’s lack of defense is in his lack of interest in staying alive? Yes Is it very possible that Chaoser is tunneling, intentional or otherwise? Yes Reason 2: Active Lurking Town has been giving Chaoser a LOT of credit for “contributing so much”. However, upon closer examination a lot of them are either logistical posts (request to focus, poke on lurkers, answer to questions, etc), offtopic, or pushing one of his four FoS. They all look good but break them down and there is very little to be had. As shown by one of the posts quoted above, his attention seems to be spread over four people atm: Irish (primary), Kurumi, KillerSOS, Sinani. I’ve already stated why I think Irish isn’t realscum but let’s address the others as well. Kurumi is that guy. He is the prototypical hyperactive townie who expended all that energy and lost interest midway through game after being pressured. Honestly, when was the last time someone so blatantly scum actually flipped scum? It’s pretty shocking and discouraging to see Kurumi leading in votes. However, it’s a super easy bandwagon to contribute to since there is a wealth of incriminating behavior and an easy target for active lurking. The FoS on Sinani is based off of one sentence that could easily have been due to him simply not reading the thread with much detail (very much within the realm of possibility since there’s so much clutter). Another easy-to-press person that was pressed. Relatively recent development so we’ll see how it goes. KillerSOS is actually a great lead (he’s near the top of my list). However, it’s odd that both KillerSOS and Irish are on the list since they are handling the pressure in totally opposite manners (one totally passive, one full aggressive). Odd behavior isn’t always scum behavior, something he should know very well. ANOTHER easy-to-press person to press, regardless of the merit in the argument. I won’t FoS Killer for now since it wouldn’t make sense for one to be on both him and Chaoser at this point. And by having 4 people FoS’d this early, Chaoser’s also implying that he’s found over half the scum team 36 hours into the game. I don’t know if it is part of his gamestyle to just mass accuse but all it does is create unfocused chatter as attention is split between 10 suspects and lines of arguments get muddled or skimmed over. You’re a liar if you can say that it is easy to focus on what’s happening in the thread right now. Ultimately, Chaoser’s actions haven’t been enough to place a vote on him yet. But since he seems to be steadily increasing his voice in town, I suggest you guys definitely approach his statements more warily then has happened thus far. From what’s been said in the thread, it seems like he played pretty well as town the previous game but that trust shouldn’t necessarily be carried into this game. He may be a great town member but it is just as likely that he is scum. I mean it’s gotten so ridiculous that players are now making blanket threats against those who dare even challenge the great Chaoser. What’s even more surprising is nobody has even said anything about that challenge. That isn’t to say I FoS’d him just to get you guys to pay attention. I genuinely do think it is suspicious that a “vet” would pursue these weird lynches and FoS. Logistical posts are neutraltells (WHY WONT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THIS?) as are offtopic stuff. That leaves just what I perceive to be a real subtle case of active lurking. I’ll watch how it continues to play out and I suggest the rest of town do the same. He's not only shutting down analysis by FoSing the person making it, but is defending the accused player by calling him "obvtown." About the red sections: + Show Spoiler [conserving space] + + Show Spoiler + Honestly, let’s be serious: the Irish argument is a joke. There really isn’t enough of a basis to keep pushing it and it has only wasted massive amounts of time that could have been spent doing other stuff. "it's a bad argument, just stop." His reasons why do not compel me (more on that later) so this does not either. + Show Spoiler + Since Irish can’t be bothered to defend himself (more on that later), let’s examine Chaoser’s main arguments point-by-point on his behalf (I will paraphrase for the sake of brevity). Why exactly do you need to defend him? + Show Spoiler + I wouldn’t call it a “chainsaw defense” as much as it is a desperate attempt to look like you’re scumhunting. And this is not scummy because...? + Show Spoiler + The FoS on Sinani is based off of one sentence that could easily have been due to him simply not reading the thread with much detail (very much within the realm of possibility since there’s so much clutter). Another easy-to-press person that was pressed. Relatively recent development so we’ll see how it goes. Not innately suspicious, but that's the second scum he's defended. He was easy to push because he was acting scummy. + Show Spoiler + KillerSOS is actually a great lead (he’s near the top of my list) So, he defends two scum, FoS's two townies (they flipped blue, but he couldn't have known that) and defends one unknown (ABO). Things don't look too good, now do they? Reason 2: "Time to save the town." There are two major posts to focus on in this campaign of his. + Show Spoiler [For Xedat:] + redtooth decided that we all suck and that he needed to fix our posting + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2011 02:02 redtooth wrote: XXXIX Town Official Argument Standards:
Some of these rules are cool, like linking to previous posts, but most are just ridiculous. Cosponsering? PFoS's? 4 post limit? Wild statement at beginning? To me, this comes off as an attempt to appear pro-town. Evidently, it worked. redtooth hasn't been a suspicious character for the past two days in the eyes of the town. Now let's look at what happened after. Point 3: He's gone. Redtooth has had 4 posts in the past 30 pages, compared with his 100+ posts in the rest of the game. Please tell us what you're thinking, redtooth! His most recent comments indicate that he's confused, and has no clue what's going on. i call bullshit. redtooth is one of the vets in this game, and there are first game newbies who are keeping up fine. i simply don't believe that he's this confused. ##vote redtooth Some quick points that don't deserve their own sections: His day 2 analysis of Cthsazsa is almost entirely WifoM. + Show Spoiler [Cthsazsa analysis] + On May 08 2011 01:28 redtooth wrote: I know you guys don't care anymore but I'm still doing it. I, redtooth, have given much thought to the following argument and have relatively high confidence in its accuracy. Cthsazsa is SCUM because of two reasons: - Jackal died. - He hasn't been posting productively. The reason why we wait til Day to analyze is so we can do it with more information (instead of tunneling based on feelings). The aidnai and KillerSOS kills were perfectly within the realm of reason. The question is why Jackal died. Last night I was thinking to myself that if I were scum I would try to break one of the three quality focused presses (me on Chaoser, Chaoser on Irish, Jackal on Cthsazsa) regardless of the alignment of the target. The reason why the alignment shouldn't matter is because the subsequent argument is entirely WIFOM so it derails the town no matter which way it goes. However, I'm a bit surprised it was Jackal who died. Chaoser, when not pressing obvtowns, has been very protown looking almost to the point where he was Town God. I'm a polarizing figure but I hunt scum very hard. This gives scum the perfect opportunity since doctors aren't going to save us and they can knock one of us down before either gets any real traction. Also, it causes a WIFOM attack on the other ("See chaoser is green!" against me, "You killed redtooth because he was the only one pressing you!" against chaoser) so it's a double win. On the other hand, Jackal posted a list of five scum he thinks he's found already. Anybody who posts a list of the entire other team isn't worth paying attention to (although among all of the fullteam lists posted, that one actually made the most sense in terms of intra-team alliances). Also, Jackal hasn't even been a big voice in town anyways and hasn't dropped any PR tells. That means that the focus on Cthsazsa was broken for another reason since it clearly wasn't the optimal kill. The first and most obvious explanation is that the focus-break was an attempt to get heat off of one of the scumteam. This isn't too much of a stretch to say since he has beena cting pretty scummy so far. Let's look at the following: The problem isn't with what he posted. The problem is with when he posted this. Lynches aren't the only things with bandwagons and attacking my initiative is probably the safest bandwagon you could jump on. There was an overwhelming backlash but at this point everything that had to be said had already been said. Compare this behavior with DropBear, who I said is town. He posted ridiculous conspiracy theories about why I'm scum and he did it early and he did loud and he did it often. Cthsazsa, not really known for being too quiet and having a controlled ego, simply lurked in at the last second with a very subtle attack. If anything, something as polarizing as my initiative should have either had his full-fledged criticism or full-fledged defense. Something's not right here. Also, there's this post. Organized scum dole out various roles to the team. If you think I'm crazy, read "Knowing your strengths and knowing your goal" here. Cthsazsa is the prototypical "get-them-emotional" type of player. His defense wasn't substantive at all outside of "You're stupid so you're wrong", aka a non-defense. Also add to this the fact that he had never posted a substantive defense against Jackal as well outside of "you're being an idiot". KillerSOS exhibited this behavior to a certain extent (though not nearly as bad) and he was a PR. Townies don't make moves like this and if the scum was willing to risk a hit on Killer why weren't they risking a hit on Cthsazsa? For now, Cthsazsa is my #1 lynch target. I have others in mind but none as confident as this one. I will be on a bus ride 'til late night but if he chooses to continue ignoring the cases made against him, that's an easy kill. + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2011 03:50 redtooth wrote: Disregarding Other People's Analysis - Of all the clauses, this is the most important. We have absolutely 0 power in enforcing this standard within the rules of the game. Since we can't ask Node to impose it, it has to be voluntary and obviously that hasn't worked out so well so far. This is the ratification clause that gives the biggest incentive you can get (acceptance into discussions) in exchange for upholding our high standards. This is in defense of his rules. This is just about the worst idea I've ever heard. period. "he didn't follow my rules so I'm not going to pay attention to his post." Bad. Just plain bad and scummy. based off of this evidence, I conclude that redtooth is scum. ##Vote redtooth | ||
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He's got the potential to be a very good townie, but lately he's been just the opposite. I don't like jaminz as a lynch today. I don't believe that he's scum, personally. | ||
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I agree that impervious is somebody to be suspicious of. I don''t agree about jaminz, but my argument that he's town isn't solid, I admit that. | ||
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I'm not suffering from indecision. I've made my choice. It's not just the changing activity levels either. Look through redtooth's last 10 posts. Is there any real content? those 10 posts have a timeline of almost 2 in-game days, and 5 real life days. If you're going to be unable to devote time to the game for that long, you should at least have the courtesy to tell the mod/other players about it. redtooth is experienced enough, he should know that. | ||
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ilovejonn 2 orgolove impervious AirBladeOrange 1 DropBear orgolove 3 Forumite Xedat AirBladeOrange redtooth 1 Varpulis Currently, orgolove is to be lynched with three votes, but a shitload of people haven't voted yet, so it's too soon to tell how this lynch is going to go down. Players who haven't voted yet: jaminz elmizzt Mig redtooth kitaman27 chaos13 Vote and share your thoughts, guys! | ||
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On May 17 2011 11:37 Impervious wrote: Actually, it's not just because he's inactive - if I had to choose between jaminiz and redtooth for a lynch right now, I'd choose jaminiz. Why? Because I don't know what jaminiz can contribute, while I know that redtooth can deliver, and I'm not sure if either of them are actually mafia. There's no guarantee that redtooth will deliver, but lynching jaminiz would be the lesser of two evils. Also, yes, I am a supporter of policy or information lynches. While it would be nice to be able to peg the mafia in our next two lynches, I find that highly unlikely. So anything we can do that will get us closer to determining who they actually are in the case that we don't lynch correctly is definitely going to help us out later on. We're not in a lylo right now..... Do I need to start linking to jaminz making solid posts? Do your research. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=27#531 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=216644¤tpage=52#1028 Can redtooth deliver? Name a guy he's accused in this game that has flipped scum. If you can, than I definitely missed something. I don't count "eh, he could be scum" as accusing, by the way. Show me a solid analysis post of redtooth's that nails scum. | ||
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Impervious still hasn't shown me where redtooth's solid analysis on scum is, so I'm going to assume that he couldn't find any. I agree with Mig's lynch priority list, it seems quite accurate. My biggest scumreads right now are on redtooth and impervious. My suspicion of impervious, however, is largely based upon redtooth flipping scum, so I'm not advocating a lynch on impervious... yet. Let's lynch redtooth today and see where we stand. | ||
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orgolove 4 Forumite Xedat AirBladeOrange ilovejonn redtooth 5 Varpulis DropBear chaos13 Mig elmizzt ilovejonn 2 orgolove impervious impervious 1 kitaman27 Redtooth is to be lynched with 5 votes. The following people have yet to vote: jaminz redtooth I suggest narrowing it down to the top two vote getters. Everybody, pick a side. Who is scummier, orgolove or redtooth? The vote is so spread out that mafia can hide by voting for somebody who won't get lynched anyways. If you have an extremely compelling argument for why we should vote for somebody else, post it. If you're picking somebody to vote for based upon the current situation, I ask you to limit yourself to redtooth or orgolove. if you vote for somebody else, you'd better give a good reason. | ||
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One of the big scumtells that I see from imp is his hardcore defense of redtooth. I hadn't considered the rest of the evidence against him when I wrote that post. I'm looking through his posts now. | ||
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not changing my vote, just making an observation. Nothing wrong with kita's vote, that's all I'll say. I'm not going to push for a lynch on imp now though. redtooth is scum too, and I really don't like the idea of a last minute vote switch, so lynching him today is fine. Check Impervious' post history if you don't believe me. | ||
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ilovejonn probably needs to get lynched. We've been ignoring orgolove for too long. | ||
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If a lurker gets pressured and shows up without posting content, I will push for a lynch. Consider this your only warning. In many of the games that I've read through, the town gets a really great start, and then looses when all the active players get NK'd and the scum are free to convince the remaining sheep and lurkers to lynch whomever they want them too. I don't want this to happen to our game, so we should step up the activity now, not when we're in LyLo. | ||
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Catch those scum, for me, and for all those who have died. For sandroba, Eternalmisfit, aidnai, kenpachi, Jackal58, KillerSOS, chaoser, lyter, redtooth, kurumi, but mostly for me | ||
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On May 30 2011 12:03 Node wrote: Night post incoming shortly, elmizzt to be lynched. There's your answer. | ||
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I'm proud of myself for nailing Sinani. kita was the other scum? I actually guessed that as soon as he started posting like mad @ lylo. | ||
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Lurkers hurt this game as much as every game, it seems. At least ours was more active than SNM II. Ghost town, that was. | ||
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QFFT. Why is there an extra F? because it stands for Quoted For Fucking Truth. If it's early game and it's bad evidence, let it slide if nobody paid attention to it. If you're the leading lynch, especially if you're blue, try to convince everybody of that. Argue incessantly. Do what kita did, pretty much. he played town better than elm/ABO did. | ||
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The big problem was that after I failed horribly with the redtooth + impervious fiasco, most of the active players were dead. In the end it was Mig and Dropbear, both relatively new, with captain helpful elmizzt, against ilj and kita, both experienced players. The scum played well, i thought, especially considering that they lost a player right in the beginning. What was the logic behind having sinani make an actually good post right before he died? That could have backfired if somebody had guessed it was a bus. I agree, town didn't play well. I'll need to step it up in the future. that redtooth thing was godawful. If only he'd have shown up to tell me so... | ||
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