EPTTL Mafia XXXIX - Page 5
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On May 08 2011 04:29 ilovejonn wrote: In that case, would you not think Irish would get modkilled as well? Exactly, that's why I'm not paying much attention to him until he addresses the questions that are currently being given to him. At this point, what do you think about Amber and the points brought against him? | ||
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On May 08 2011 04:35 ilovejonn wrote: I am not familiar with Amber's play. But it seems to me he does seem to lurk a lot. However, based on his activity levels and the limited posts he has made, it seems to me he is definitely hiding something. But from the posts I've read, the posts are not anti-town, more like a natural defense to accusations brought against him. If you know what I mean I would not want to say more. I'm talking about his contradictions. He said that he is a very good scum hunter and suggests that we don't vote him. But he hasn't been hunting as much as he did in Insane 1. His reasoning for voting Kurumi is very scummy as I noted before and he is very lurkerish, much like he was in Insane 2. He went threatens me not to "tunnel" him or else he will FoS me, a very scummy move when I wasn't even tunneling him. | ||
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Amber said redtooth was possibly town. If Amber is scum (which you are now claiming), and redtooth is town, why would he defend redtooth? On top of that, if you think Amber is scum and he is defending redtooth, won't that make you even more suspicious of redtooth? Bussing happens all the time. It's not the motive that really gives it away so much as how someone goes about defending or attacking someone. | ||
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@chaoser I find it amusing that you ask for my opinion on cthsazsa but have never posted one yourself. Also, it is interesting that you claim my FoS doesn't have an argument attached to it while yours against Amber amounts to similar content as mine against Sandroba. I think cthsazsa deserves a check. He's a newbie and has spent a lot of time mostly defending himself which has taken up a lot of town time. But I don't think at this time he's a threat to town. He is posting in a consistent manner and he will continue to post as such so there is time to re-evaluate him. I say this because I've seen many a townie do what he does. He got caught up in a vet being suspicious of him and kind of has been occupied by it since forever. I did the exact thing the first mafia game I played. Ace called me out and I was medic. I ended up joining a PM group made up of all mafia aside from me and got killed. At the same time, I've seen newbie mafia play like him as well. So for me, he's still on the fence. I think his voting pattern as the game goes on will be the most telling thing about him, aside from DT check. At this moment I'm more worried about vets we aren't contributing as much as they should, offering flawed arguments and generally acting scummy. That is Amber[Light] I already talked about some of his inconsistencies in terms of him talking about why he voted for Kurumi to his weird response to my pressure. For the people talking about Jackal's vote on Cthsazsa like it actually means anything at this moment, then I'd also like to point out that aidnai was suppose to post a damning analysis post on Amber today. Either of the two points isn't very telling though since mafia could have planned their hits to throw suspicion on townies. Either way Amber's play has been way more worrisome to me than cthsazsa's. Amber is a vet and so it's less excusable than cthsazsa's play is in terms of scumminess. My recommendations are for a DT to check cthsazsa tonight, to lynch Amber, and to day shoot Irish if he shows up and doesn't give a legitimate reason for his actions as well as his inactions (not posting for over two days now). If Irish doesn't show up then he can just get modkilled . | ||
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On May 08 2011 14:19 DropBear wrote: Stuff about Orgolove DropBear, what are you opinions on Amber, Irish, Beneather, and Cthsazsa? Let's focus on them and leave orgolove for another day. | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:00 DropBear wrote: I'll give you that in detail later. I'm leaving in a minute and won't be back for about 8 hours. In short: if you read my posts you'll see massive posts on Beneather and Cthsazsa. Irish and Amber, not sure. What is wrong with what I have said about orgolove? Because we can deal with orgolove another day. So far we're looking at four people, all of whom people think are scummy and have decent analysis on. Let's not offer too many lynch targets let mafia just ride on random ones and end up with nothing. I'd prefer there were only two lynch targets since then mafia HAS to take a stance one way or another but I'll be fine with 3-4 right now. I saw your massive posts on Beneather and you basically looked at three of his posts and says that he's contributed nothing. Ok, thats fine, but mafia don't do that. Mafia don't not contribute. Mafia try to LOOK like they're contributing but they really aren't. This applys to orgolove as well. He's not TRYING to look like he's contributing, he's just straight up not. Mafia aren't inactive like beneather or Kenpachi is and they're not posting their ass off like redtooth is. They're in that middle region where they look like they're contributing with long posts but ultimately it's all fluff. Mafia aren't INACTIVE, they are LURKING. They know what's going on and they'll jump in from time to time to post something with little substance and be wishy washy on their logic for voting. | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:19 DropBear wrote: Alright, lets keep our lynch targets to two or three. You say mafia aren't inactive like Beneather, so lets remove Beneather. By your same logic, Irish_Punk13 cannot be mafia. Lets look at Cthsazsa, Amber[Light] and Orgolove. Nah Irish is different in that he's under questioning and he's not posting to respond. He says that he's not logging in cause he forgot his password except you can retrieve and change your password. He also has access to the TL Mafia IRC which I've seen him frequent before a lot so he could have asked one of us to ask a mod for him. He's still on my scum list. Either way he'll be modkilled if he doesn't vote and if he does vote/respond to the thread you can be sure he'll be under intense pressure. | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:30 DropBear wrote: Plus if you think he's going to be modkilled, why bother with Irish at all? Why not leave it until he comes back? Orgolove is here now. Orgolove has done these things recently. If Irish comes back, lets look at him then. See with orgolove, he's bandwagoning, but he's bandwagoning without even trying to hide it. For someone who should be considered an old player of mafia, I doubt he'd be playing the way he is if he's mafia. This is WIFOM at this point but mafia want to hide what they're actually doing so if they're going to bandwagon, they're going to make some long bullshit reason for why they agree with a vote and then vote to make people think, wow, this guy is REALLY contributing even though they're not. I'd say he's another potential DT check at most, though he looks like a bored townie to me at this point. | ||
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So you finally do agree that this thread is crap. Whatever happened to your "NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THREAD YOU COCKY COCK" statement. Imagine if everybody followed my initiative. Life would be so much easier. The thread is not crap, the voting is crap. You know how easy it is to see townie in all of this. Everyone is making huge analysis on people, you'll be damn sure mafia ain't going to be comfortable with this. They might make some half-hearted bullshit post up since they can just sit back and relax but that's to our advantage. They'll post weak arguments that are half-assed and we can easily catch them on it Mafia are going to be the ones lurking and not contributing much, not contributing out their ass. You can think I'm mafia all you want but then you're just ignoring people like amber and ilovejohn. I can't believe you're going after kenpachi....even BC stopped trying to read him, he's not a good lynch at all. It wasn't that I suspected Kurumi. It's that I suspected you, Chaoser. I was right to make the move I made. So....you go along with his lynch to throw dirt on me? How is that a legitimate reason for voting for him again? At least redtooth ACTUALLY thought I was mafia and voted for me. Your vote on Kurumi didn't count for shit, he was going to be lynched either way so yeah, you weren't right to make your move....And then the rest of your defense is a pure "I tried to help town" when really, no, you just searched, opened a bunch of tabs and copy pasted quotes, something anyone can do. You didn't even try to give analysis, you just said, here, take this for what it's worth...looks like a whole lot of contributing without actually contributing. And then you OMGUS me? lol ok. | ||
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He was wrong about KillerSOS. There has to be suspicion, if not ramification, for these obvious (except KillerSOS) and blatant misreads. I made it CLEAR in thread that I thought KillerSOS was blue. I even told you to go back to read his posts and see if he was "newbie townie" or "mafia" hoping to not use the "blue" word. He was wrong about Kurumi (60% positive). He is likely wrong about Irish as well (70% positive) .My read of Kurumi is mostly based upon my reads on Irish. Either way Irish is on the way to be modkilled. 5 bucks he posts/votes a few minutes before day ends. You must admit, his disappearance after being under extreme pressure is suspicious. The bandwagon being made on Amber makes some sense, I can see where he is being suspicious. The bandwagon being pushed by Chaoser makes no sense. So you're saying that Amber is scummy but since I'm the one pushing it he's not? If it was anyone else you'd take a longer and harder long at it? Why don't you go read Amber's recent posts where they go on long and hard but they're a whole lot of fluff that could have been said in a lot less lines. | ||
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@chaoser: Sell me why Amber is a better lynch than Cthsazsa. Earlier you said lynch amber and dt check Cthsazsa, rather than the other way around. Any particular reason that was the case? Cthsazsa is a newbie, and he's pretty much been satisfying himself with defending himself when Jackal, a vet, called him out and has been doing such since. It's a never ending cycle. I'm less sure of him being mafia because he's doing what a lot of newbies do. What he's not doing is trying to pass himself off as a productive and contributing person to town. That is, however, what amber is doing. Go read over his posts and you can see that he's not saying much of anything. He says he's productive and helping town but all he did was copy paste compile some posts. His reasoning for lynching Kurumi still boils down to, I don't think he's really mafia, I was just doing it to bandwagon/get a read on you/stop mafia from "changing the vote" when there was no vote to change. He posts long paragraphs of which half are quotes and the rest is fluff about said quotes. | ||
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Do you think cthsazsa has at any time tried to come off as pro-town but actually been anti-town? Do you think amber tried to come off as pro-town but has actually been anti-town? What do you think about amber's long posts that tell nothing? What about his scummy reasons that he tries to pass off as legitimate? | ||
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On May 09 2011 03:40 Varpulis wrote: @chaoser I'm not 100% on Amber[LighT]. He's had some bad, pseudo-content posts, but he's also made some good ones that seem genuinely town friendly. I'll keep my eye on him, but I'm not convinced that he's scum. Perfect target for a dt check, I'd say. That's the point of mafia though. You say he has "town friendly" posts but also "pesudo-content" posts. Mafia want to be in that middle ground. I actually haven't seen any town friendly posts from him so can you quote some for me? Cthsazsa is more just straight up having bad town play and he deserves a check. Bad town play is what needs to be DT checked since it's harder to read. But Amber is trying to be useless but seem useful. That's a scum. | ||
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Cthsazsa (4) Conversion redtooth Varpulis ilovejonn Amber[light] (3) chaoser sandroba chaos13 We've been talking about these two all day and I think it's fair to say that at the end of the day we get the most out of lynching one of these two. That being said, people should decide on whether to vote on one or the other. Voting all willy-nilly on people that no one else is focusing on (Beneather, Forumite, redtooth, and kevconism) isn't helping anyone and just allows mafia to randomly vote and not have to deal with the consequences. | ||
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