I, Varpulis, have given much thought to the following argument and have relatively high confidence in its accuracy.
Cthsazsa is scum
Why? - He uses the argument "they're trying to derail the thread" constantly.
- He doesn't back up his votes, and he doesn't vote for those he analyses.
1. Let's leave the "is redtooth scum" argument at the door, shall we? It doesn't matter if he's scum, or If what he suggests is the right way to go about it, but his initiative to clean up posting is decidedly town friendly, in my opinion.
That said, there are good arguments against it. Cthsazsa's is not one of those good arguments.On May 07 2011 07:41 Cthsazsa wrote:
It's clear that Redtooth is derailing the thread and taking attention away from scumhunting by creating his own set of rules that we "have" to follow.
I look at day one, and i see a mess. It's a mess that we all contributed to, and it's a mess that needs cleaning up. Doing so in a night phase while nobody had anything more to say is hardly derailing the thread. This is not the first time he's done this, however.On May 05 2011 12:34 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 12:31 elmizzt wrote:On May 05 2011 09:32 Cthsazsa wrote:
If you say so big guy. On May 05 2011 09:22 Cthsazsa wrote:
You can quit trolling me now. On May 05 2011 09:09 Cthsazsa wrote:
I bet that's very entertaining. On May 05 2011 08:42 Cthsazsa wrote:
Nice conclusion there, Jackal. Very intelligent. On May 05 2011 12:12 Cthsazsa wrote:On May 05 2011 12:11 Conversion wrote:
no, but what you should do is act whiny and reply to people who object to your obviously bad town play and just cause more spam.
you're playing great, keep it up. /clap Will do! So many of Cthsazsa's posts are wannabe aloof and flip, trying to shut down discussion. So much passive aggressiveness seems to me like you are trying way to hard to seem above suspicion. What else is there to say? He's calling me scum for no real reason. Apparently he's trying to throw off everyone and get us to waste our day 1 votes.
the OMGUS defense, which is bad enough on its own, is only made worse by the - disregarding of evidence.
- insistence that arguments against him are just scum trying to derail actual discussion.
The idea that because somebody is bringing up a new point or trying to improve the standard of posting is simply scum trying to derail the thread seems to me like it comes from scum trying to keep the town focused on the wrong people and doing the wrong things.
2a. Cthsazsa's votes: On May 05 2011 06:49 Cthsazsa wrote:
##VOTE: AirbladeOrange
he only makes one post on the subject of ABO.+ Show Spoiler +On May 05 2011 06:46 Cthsazsa wrote:
AirBlade's post instantly looked like anti-town. He was suggesting that we lynch Kurumi, and then he said that even if Kurumi is a townie, it's still okay.
On May 05 2011 12:26 Cthsazsa wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Irish_Punk13
His reasoning? A lot of people have pointed out that Irish_Punk13 is scummy.
On May 07 2011 14:32 Cthsazsa wrote:
##Vote: Redtooth
His vote on redtooth is because of a lot of little things, it seems. He makes a bunch of 1 liners about how scummy redtooth is for defending Kurumi/Irish_Punk13, says that his attempts to rally the town is scummy, then votes for him. there is no solid. "redtooth is scum, and this is why post". Instead, we get these.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 01:51 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 01:30 redtooth wrote:
EBWODP: Holy shit. When did so many people vote for me? Am I really your best lynch target? Unfortunately I won't have time to defend myself until late tonight (I'm stepping out the door as we speak) but notice that Cthsazsa sneakily bandwagoned himself already.
Go to hell scum. I stated my reasons for voting for you, and I was the third person to do so. I would hardly call that bandwagoning. And if you really think that it is, the same came go to you too. You're just following AO and Conversion in their arguments against me so that the attention is diverted away from you, scum. As for Jackal58's death. Of course that was no coincidence. The mafia is probably using me as a scapegoat. As far as I can tell, the mafia had two benefits from kill Jackal. 1, it would make me look mafia, 2, He was a more experienced player, and if he was removed than he wouldn't be a threat in the future. Come on, think about it. If you were mafia, why the hell would you kill the person that was on your ass the hardest? That'll just raise even more suspicions. The Mafia is trying to get us to waste our day vote, just as you are trying to get us to waste time from scumhunting with rather useless topics.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:44 Cthsazsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:10 GGQ wrote:On May 08 2011 09:11 orgolove wrote:
I really think redtooth either needs to be checked by a dt or be lynched asap. He's been acting plenty scummy enough, and his kills will give us plenty of information both on Amber and others involved in this dispute. Dont lynch for information, it just leads to endless wifom. If we lynch redtooth it's because we think he's scum and that's all. His day 1 posts gave me a scum read, his actions since then haven't saved him in my eyes, but haven't made him more guilty either. I'm willing to give him some more time. He posts a lot, anyways, so if he's mafia he'll give himself up. Cthazsa seems to be a lot quieter now than he was on the first day, and I can't explain why. He responded with lots of posts to jackal's pressure, but now he's gone afk because of the pressure today? Maybe just because he's now a viable lynch target? His actions seems scummy enough, but I never got that vibe from his posts. I'd like to see an analysis by someone I trust more than redtooth showing him as scum. Amber seems the scummiest to me from his posts so far, but there just aren't that many of them. Amber, if you were a dayvig and had to use your power to avoid a lynch, who would you shoot? Just finished reading through the last 2 pages I missed. I'm rather not sure what to say. Sandroba, AO, Eternalmisfit, you all have some pretty interesting arguments. A few times they've had me reconsider my vote. Especially the ones about Amber and beneather. But my thought on redtooth being scum is still adamant. I apologize if my initial analysis on him was rather vague. I wouldn't even call it an analysis, myself. But a few people have already gave their analysis on him, so I'm just repeating obvious things people have already stated. I probably appear quiet now because no one's tunneling me? lol.
What analysis? Either i missed something (no all button=sad Varpy) or he's just spewing bullshit to appear pro-town. In addition, the first post is filled with OMGUS and WIFOM. That's a strike against already.
2b. His actual analysis: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2011 13:57 Cthsazsa wrote:My take on the situation before I go to bed. + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote:On VarpuliS22 posts since the game started for real, starting with 228. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 07:12 VarpuliS wrote:I just read through the thread, and I'm not sure exactly what to think. My biggest FoS right now is on Rising_Phoenix. He hasn't been lurking, exactly, but rather making vacuous posts. On May 05 2011 06:00 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
I'm sitting here hoping that something interesting happen but all I see is:
*SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM* *SPAM*
Also lots of finger pointing without any actual evidence. I almost say vote for the spammers so at least we can have some constructive comments.
Also, the reason why my one post was unsubstantial is because I am still waiting for something to stick out. Right now all the spam looks suspicious, or at least is really annoying. Active =/= scummy. Why are you telling people to stop talking? This is not pro-town. It's pretty ironic that you're telling people to stop spamming by making an empty spam post. When you start posting content, you can tell people to stop spamming. Your post is pretty empty yourself. I am interested in the fact that very early on you say that active does not mean scummy. Why not? Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:36 VarpuliS wrote:A very common scum technique is to act suspicious of other scum, so that when/if they flip red you can say "I knew it" and seem pro-town.
On May 05 2011 07:13 Cthsazsa wrote:
Why would we vote off inactives? We should leave them be. If they are mafia, well they aren't that much of a threat to us since they're not participating. On the other hand, if they're a townie then that'll just put a crutch in us. We'll lose a townie, PLUS we'd have wasted our votes.
People insisting that we vote off inactives just seems suspicious to me. What the hell is this post? Inactive players are not pro-town because they - Aren't giving us posts to analyze, thus deducing that they're town and focusing on real scum. This derails the town and helps the mafia.
- Aren't contributing and helping the town decide who is mafia. Most lurkers/inactives are just sheep who join major bandwagons, in my limited experience.
- Could be mafia keeping quiet so that nobody can figure that out from their posting. they can still kill/roleblock at night, so they are still a threat.
This is either a really stupid post or a really scummy post. I honestly can't tell which. Lynching an inactive day 1 is common, because it is rare to have enough information/analysis to peg any actual scum. A lynch based off of solid analysis is always to be preferred, of course. Ultimately, town wants to get rid of all inactive players before lylo, when each vote and opinion counts, while scum wants to keep as many inactives alive as possible, because they're useless to the town and just add uncertainty. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:40 VarpuliS wrote:On May 05 2011 08:36 Cthsazsa wrote:
I don't understand. I was talking about inactive people, not lurkers. It is very hard to tell which is which. Thus, inactives must be treated as lurkers, or else lurking scum could just hide as inactives and be safe. that would be bad. The best course of action is to pressure the lurkers into posting. If they are truly inactive, they get modkilled and we move on. I'm not talking about them, i'm talking about the "posting so I don't get modkilled today" kind of poster. I consider them inactive as well. You are repeatedly talking about inactives but you go to absolute no lengths to actually bring them out. Noone is named, no requests are given. This is all pointless. VarpuliS was very strongly on the Kurumi lynch. Here is his case: Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:15 VarpuliS wrote:Kurumi Kurumi's posts can be divided into two categories. Useless spam, and misleading drivel, and actual content Useless spam.+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2011 22:41 Kurumi wrote:
I thought I will have any heavy read by the time I am back and game starts but..
the only thing I saw was
CHAOS.
Saying that,while someone says this,posting some rules being in the other thread,just doing a contribution without any value I have no clue what that is even supposed to mean. Not helpful, just spammy. On May 05 2011 01:07 Kurumi wrote:
Chaoser,You wouldn't make any effort to defend Yourself if they were onto something,note that Irish backed off into the shadows,while You try to do something. You have two different approaches to play.
Sandroba tries to play the Town Hero,he "has" the sense!
Chaos13 does not know what is going on anymore. This post makes a lot of statements without really saying anything. Spam. On May 05 2011 01:49 Kurumi wrote:
Thanks Chaoser,I think I did not see that tip in Newbie thread.
I wasn't too cautious,right,but even insane thought can turn out to be true.
I have no idea how to reply. What does this contribute? "crazy shit can be right," so I'm not going to defend my opinion. On May 05 2011 03:13 Kurumi wrote:
13 2 6 3 2 2 13
Thanks for pointing out that I am fearful of using names,thus making my posts inconsistent,weird and often misunderstood. Which posts should I "repair" - that meaning making it totally straight and understandable? Why the hell are there numbers at the top of this posts? Rest is nonsensical. On May 05 2011 03:18 Kurumi wrote:
No,I am just saying that using names all over again is unnatural for me. Fine, but not a contribution, so technically spam. On May 05 2011 03:36 Kurumi wrote:
Such unlucky formatting,I had such cool line of numbers from top to the bottom.
I tried to make something happen and yeah I did,but it turned out talking about me is interesting. spam. On May 05 2011 04:00 Kurumi wrote:
Jackal58
Just a post. spammyspamspam On May 05 2011 04:24 Kurumi wrote:
Punk,You're back! So my pre-emptive lurker vote is obsolete now! OK then, good for you! On May 05 2011 04:36 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 04:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I don't think you should kid about lynches. Our votes are very valuable and it's basically our only way of killing scum. Shh,he won't allow You on the EXCUSE boat. thank you for that On May 05 2011 04:50 Kurumi wrote:
Remember people mentioning the numbers.
Giving away Your biggest weakness might be Your biggest strenght. what? On May 05 2011 04:54 Kurumi wrote:
Haha,it was cool first season,then got boring. About LOST, or some shit like that On May 05 2011 05:03 Kurumi wrote:
Sorry I didn't call for mass roleclaim,that would not be mysterious and pretty cool Mafia game,eh? Nice joke, funny funny, no content. On May 05 2011 05:44 Kurumi wrote:
Hello there Kenpachi,enjoy reading the thread!
On May 05 2011 05:54 Kurumi wrote:
Hey Jackal58,we missed You! Nice posts. I would be missing your good ones, but I never knew them. On May 05 2011 00:56 Kurumi wrote:
Drop Chaoser discussion as scum.
He will be probably shot this night because he is good at Mafia and is staying really pro-town.
It is good to see some lurkers waking up! I agree that Chaoser is pro-town, but shutting down analysis and suspicion on any player without suggesting a more suspicious player is not pro-town play. On May 05 2011 01:09 Kurumi wrote:
Oh,also I am voting on Irish Punk.
Funny how he and chaos have 13 in the end of their nicknames. I would call this spam, but it involves a vote. His reason is "he plays differently from Chaoser" Bad. On May 05 2011 01:16 Kurumi wrote:
I just note that his behaviour is different from Irish_Punk's and it looks pro-town,because of trying to make party going As I said, bad reasoning. On May 05 2011 01:22 Kurumi wrote:
I just find his activeness into lurking suspicious. Why would You stop contributing when You have nothing to fear of? There is a real world outside of TL. On May 05 2011 01:32 Kurumi wrote:
Chaoser,did You really grab my crappy contribution posts from SC2 to Mafia forums?
I did not vote because of coincidence,I just saw it.
When I stared my third post I knew that it will go wrong and I will be accused of scum.
Bringing more chaos into Day 1 than there was wasn't my intention. A scummy post is still scummy even if you acknowledge that it is. On May 05 2011 03:35 Kurumi wrote:
13 Eternal - his refers to Chaoser. It was pointed out though Irish_Punk13 might just started doing 2 something besides writing post here on Mafia forums,so his step back into lurker den isn't 6 actually that obvious,just a normal human activity.
3 My point is,Mafia itself would rather not start the discussion(unless it was questions helping them 2 out,like "How do You deal with Mafia claims" "What usually gives out Your identity" etc)
2 The thing that Chaoser and redtooth posted was just a mini-guide how not to fail horribly at Mafia.
13 Still it could be a smoke bomb. This is so confusing that any content that might be in this post is lost on me. what the hell do the numbers mean?On May 05 2011 04:13 Kurumi wrote:
AirbladeOrange:
"A dead Townie is a good Townie"
I like Your style,as Cave Johnson said! Cute, but misinterpreting the post. On May 05 2011 04:33 Kurumi wrote:
Numbers? What numbers? 13 2 6 3 2 2 13?
They're just to cast more suspicion on me,like hey! Random numbers MUST be something!
No. I just felt like typing them.
My type of posting might be connected to English being my second language (the biggest thing is repeating names which I am not comfortable with,where in Polish I need to find 2347234 possibilities to avoid typing the same thing in one,even two sentences.)
It was wrong to assume my thought process will apply to everyone and I understand that mistake.
Just to put some emphasis:
13 2 6 3 2 2 13 is nothing,but I might get some link if You want to make them mystical,You know. Why would you post meaningless numbers? I'm fine with the explanation of why you post the way you post, but the numbers thing totally derails this post. Again, how are useless numbers beneficial to town?On May 04 2011 23:07 Kurumi wrote:
Your attacks on Chaoser and redtooth are not supported by any evidence than nitpicking,yes they are posting without much value,but we are just starting off. I don't have any problem with this post because I agree with it. Good post. On May 05 2011 04:15 Kurumi wrote:
Seriously. Never say that dead Town is a good deal,it makes You look weird or even suspicious I'll count this so that this section has more than 1 post in it, because this is a logical statement. On May 05 2011 05:29 Kurumi wrote:
Sandroba,You were the person to grab the number trick to make me suspicious. Easy lynch for scum,isn't it? I don't accuse You of being red but.. You're trying to do it the easiest way. Don't keep doing it,please. When You don't think and just go straight You might miss something. On May 05 2011 05:30 Kurumi wrote:
Stop doing it,please*
Grammar,the horror! I'm calling this content despite my better judgement. He's calling out sandroba for joining a bandwagon based off of faulty evidence (I think). Fair enough. On May 05 2011 06:09 Kurumi wrote:
So basically I need to do something,because my fishy posting won't be a good defence for myself while I am gone.
Kurumi used Excuse!
Kurumi has some Excuses left!
Excuse:This will be my first time doing a small analysis,so please don't beat me and lay down Your stones,pickaxes,guns or whatever You just picked up.
Thanks.
My thoughts on:
Chaos13
Points out my weird style of posting,numbers and thinks it is huge scum tell. He is thinking on his own rails,probably not trying to doom us all.
Sandroba
Hero of our city!
Scumhunts every post and every post he has new scum tell,amazing how he does it.
Together with Chaos13 is picking on my posting.
Irish_Punk13
Got on my rails or at least tries to understand what I try to tell. Points out AirbladeOrange suspicious behavior. Supposedly works for town.
AirbladeOrange
Wants me dead. Because dead townie is best townie,right? Since I have no contribution value I am worthless. Looks like that is not what he meant actually. Dead townie has no vote privilege!
The less votes are available for town,the better for the scum!
Suspicious,might be scum.
Chaoser
Very careful,does not like me hugging him. This is both-side reaction. Though because it is Day1 and his biggest contribution was the hint post I believe I can't decide who he is.
KillerSOS
Plays for fun,enjoys the game. Agreeds with the Irish_Punk13.
ilovejonn
Is as careful as Chaoser,has good idea who should be looked at.
Kenpachi
Has got this. I mean,the backup plan of course. Is onto something obviously.
Overall,most of people are trying to hop on me,or AirbladeOrange for his bluff about dead townies.
I know this is not SO helpful analysis that You'd hoped for,but look at top of the post.
No. Don't pick up those. Please? It is about my excuse. Many of You already used them,some multiple amount of times,but I have no time to pick on it. I believe I will have time to post tomorrow after school (day ends 5:00 KST,right?) It's defensive, but it's content. I don't agree with some of it though. The Kenpachi part is BS, the ABO part is half OMGUS and half logic.
Notice how the majority of his posts are spam, misinformation, or anti-town. Can you find the townie under all of this? because I can't. This guy isn't being pro-town, and in my opinion he's our best lynch for day 1. ##Vote: Kurumi+ Show Spoiler +Whew, that took longer than I expected... This is the only major analysis from him so far. He makes a large song and dance about how much of what Kurumi says doesn't make sense. The part where you say he's posted good content you also say you don't agree with it all. Could you elaborate? Also I find little difference between many of the posts you say are misleading drivel and those that are "actual content". Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:34 VarpuliS wrote:On May 05 2011 11:33 KillerSOS wrote:On May 05 2011 11:31 Cthsazsa wrote:
What do I need to say to clear my name? I've said it twice already, it was a misunderstanding between the definition of inactive and lurker. When I read inactive, I thought it meant people who weren't playing at all. As in someone who's signed up for this game and hasn't logged on TL since.
At the rate this thread is moving, inactive means "haven't posted in the past hour". ^_^ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You've helped lynch Kurumi on grounds of spam and unhelpful/misleading posts. This is also spam, unhelpful and misleading, as are about 5 of your posts around here. There's a FoS on Cthsazsa which you very quickly forget about. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 12:49 VarpuliS wrote:
elmizzt, do you often refer to yourself in the third person?
Cthsazsa, you've used the "they want us to waste our votes" twice now, I believe. I've got my eye on you. You didn't respond well to jackal's tunneling, and now you disregard the reason elmizzt voted for you. FoS Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips. If you really were town and felt like hunting scum you'd follow up on this. Following this is a few posts regarding posting in third person. These are just spam, unhelpful and misleading, just like your read on Kurumi. Next is his third FoS, Irish_Punk13: Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 21:20 VarpuliS wrote:
I'm on the fence between lynching Irish_Punk13 and Kurumi. At this point it seems to me that Irish is only scum if Kurumi is too. People are pushing a lynch on Irish because of the information he'll provide when he flips, but I think that we can get all of that information from a lynch on Kurumi.
Situation A: Kurumi flips scum, it is very likely that Irish is as well. We lynch Irish the next day, and we get our information, just a day later.
Situation B: Kurumi flips town. Irish is probably town, we move on. The only real scumtell from Irish is noting Kurumi's "great posts" which don't exist. If Kurumi is town, then Irish is just an idiot.
I'm posting from my phone, classes start soon and I probably won't have time to check the thread again until the afternoon. This is entirely a push for an information lynch which is a very bad idea. Also, what happened to your case against Irish_Punk13? Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 06:01 VarpuliS wrote:Just got back from school, damn this thread is moving fast. Kurumi's posting hasn't improved, It seems. What sort of townie plan is based upon being scummy and nonsensical to get the town talking and then saying "Guys, i'm not scum, it was all part of the plan?" My vote's staying on him. Someone a couple pages back corrected me about my "lynching for information theory." I think it was Aidnai. Thank you, I'll keep that in mind for the future. On May 06 2011 05:15 Rising_Phoenix wrote:
You know what, vote for me. I honestly can't handle so many posts and I don't have time to write something, I know I'm not contributing but I honestly thought I'd have the time to actually contribute to this but I don't. Maybe if there won't be another page of posts by the time I'm done writing this I'd be able to feel like there isn't such a huge amount of information coming in, but if you want me off I honestly don't mind right now. This looks to me like a townie getting bored. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets himself modkilled or replaced. He retracts the information lynch idea, then follows up with a post stating the bleeding obvious about Rising_Phoenix. You still aren't contributing at all other than tunnelling Kurumi hardcore. Follows this with huge reposting of redtooth's arguments, copy-pasted. The only other real post of note he has is this: Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:37 VarpuliS wrote:
Yo Beneather, you just voted without posting in the thread. Why was this not followed up on? Interestingly enough Cthsasza also brings him up and doesn't do anything about it. CONCLUSION VarpuliS is mafia.He does a whole lot of talking and doesn't actually say anything. He very strongly tried to get Kurumi lynched and did nothing else. He is hiding in plain sight. His complete lack of any contribution other than tunneling Kurumi, self-contradictions and complete disappearance once the Kurumi lynch was certain, plus his interaction with other people I believe to be scum make him dodgy. Actually, I did do something about it. I looked up Beneather's post history in this thread. VarpuliS was wrong. Beneather posted 3 times since the game started. The three posts he made don't have much value to them, though. Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 08:24 Beneather wrote:On May 05 2011 08:22 Forumite wrote:
Of these three, I think we have the least to go on with AirbladeOrange, because he´s only got 4 posts so far. He looks more like a slow poster that made a few scumtells. Could you analyze these posts. So that we can see the scumtells you are telling us. We can't just bandwagon a guy just you say he has 4 posts and had a few scumtells. We need a little more than that. He asked Forumite to analyze the posts. Forumite did, but very poorly. After Forumite's analysis, Beneather never commented on it. In fact he never talked about it again. This dude's clearly lurking. As for my one liner, I apologize DropBear. My girlfriend was in the hospital, and I couldn't resist checking up on the thread while I was waiting. So I hastily gave my opinion of him, which was a mistake. I should've waited until now to give my analysis. DropBear, you also said I didn't do anything about it. Well, neither have you. And on your post against VarpuliS, you do a really good job pointing out his slipups. You've pretty much stated why he is one of my FoS. Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 13:08 DropBear wrote:
Cthsazsa is on my scum list as well as you. This is an attempt to help you appear town down the line when Cthsazsa flips.
That is exactly what VarpuliS said, you even quoted it. I find that to be a horrible reason to call someone scum. Not because I'm the target in it, but because you can use that argument on literally anyone. ForumiteWhy he is becoming a FoS in my books. + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2011 06:58 Forumite wrote:EBWOP Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 06:51 redtooth wrote:On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote:On May 06 2011 06:33 redtooth wrote:
I am busy today. We will probably end up lynching Kurumi. I was going to ask whether you would want to request a Day Vigi hit on Irish since you're so confident (70% is absolutely ridiculous IMO but you might just like higher numbers) but it's too late and our response would take too long. Worst case scenario, we fumble the lynch and do have a double-townkill round. Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? It's not a waste if it's a 70% chance of scumhit. If I was the one pushing it, I'd take those odds anyday. If it really was 70%, the net expected results aren't too bad either: - 70% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips red, we catch a scum we wouldn't have caught otherwise. Net of +1 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot. - 30% chance of occurring - We hit Irish, he flips green, we stop the bandwagon on Kurumi and save a townie. Net of 0 at the cost of a Day Vigi shot. What does 70/30 come from? On May 06 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 06:59 Kurumi wrote:Again I stayed up for Mafia a bit too long,but I just want to see how it goes,so I will be lurking from my PSP in bed. Just a thought: I flip red,Irish and redtooth are suspicious. 3 Scum giveaway on Day1? Really? I don't think it is possible. I flip blue and people can't understand how I managed to get myself lynched I flip green and Irish and redtooth are not as suspicious,but every person nitpicking and tunneling me is now suspicious,together with bandwagoners and lurkers emerging just to vote on me. + Show Spoiler +I will flip rainbow,maybe even double one If you are blue, now´s the time to roleclaim. Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 07:00 redtooth wrote:On May 06 2011 06:56 Forumite wrote:
Where does 70/30 come from? This is the last time I'm helping you. Seriously, stop acting like a baby and do the reasoning yourself. You're quickly losing any credibility you have with your empty questioning. Chaoser stated that he was 70% sure Irish was scum. That is the "70" part of 70/30. The "30" part of 70/30 comes from when you subtract 70 from 100 and then you get 30. Why are you arguing that day-vigilante is a good move by using probabilities you yourself think are wrong? On May 06 2011 06:33 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 06:17 redtooth wrote:On May 06 2011 05:56 Forumite wrote:
You said you were checking Kurumi, and I assumed pissing off Kurumi and Irish refered to calling them out on their scummy behavior. AKA tunneling. See scumtells from everything I say don't you. Well whatever, I'll play along for now - I said that the act of pissing off Kurumi and Irish would have made me seem protown since they were getting bandwagoned hard and I would have fit right in with the rest of you all. Instead I kicked the beehive and now (somehow) stand accused of pandering them. I did check out Kurumi. Less confident that he's town but he's still leaning town nonetheless.
On May 06 2011 05:52 Mig wrote:
Red I understand it can be important to find townies but we have to lynch someone within the next few hours. So who are you going to vote for and why? We'll see. I don't like realvoting (as opposed to baitvoting) early, especially if I'll probably be around for the deadline and can actually make a difference in the count. If voting was to end 5 minutes from now, I'd put it on Chaoser just out of protest. If I had to be the tiebreaker between Kurumi and KillerSOS, I'd probably put it on Killer. If I had to be the tiebreaker between Kurumi and Irish, I'd probably put it on Chaoser simply because I don't want to be anywhere near those ridiculous lynches. Is it tunneling if you admit that I´m right, that calling Irish and Kurumi scum would be protown right now? On May 06 2011 06:44 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 06:33 redtooth wrote:
I am busy today. We will probably end up lynching Kurumi. I was going to ask whether you would want to request a Day Vigi hit on Irish since you're so confident (70% is absolutely ridiculous IMO but you might just like higher numbers) but it's too late and our response would take too long. Worst case scenario, we fumble the lynch and do have a double-townkill round. Wouldn´t wasting a day-vigilante be a bit of a waste? Lets make comparisons between those posts by Forumite. Each of these posts are either asking a question or making a statement to continue the argument. They aren't worth any value, don't contribute, and all they do is draw out pointless/stupid arguments that don't benefit the town. Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 09:00 Forumite wrote:
Moving my vote to Kurumi. If we have 20 votes on one person, at least we know it stays there, scum can´t flip the vote at the last second.
##Unvote: redtooth
##Vote: Kurumi In his last post before Kurumi's death, he hops on the bandwagon and switches his vote to Kurumi. My top 3 FoS right now are Beneather, Forumite, and VarspuliS
He FoS's Beneather, Forumite, and some strange fellow named VarspuliS (jkjk). Does he vote for any of us? does he actually press for a lynch on any of us? No. Why would he, if he knows that each of us is town, and that getting us lynched would only make him more suspicious. This screams scum to me.
Conclusion: For these reasons, and a number of other minor ones (defends himself with WIFOM, his reaction to Jackal's tunneling, Jackal dying last night),
Cthsazsa is scum.
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