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On April 14 2011 00:17 GMarshal wrote: Alignment checks are PMed to the detective. Unless the game says its no flip it is assumed that players are flipped on death Full flip, so a dead doctor shows up as the Doctor, or partial, the doctor shows up as Town? | ||
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On April 15 2011 15:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: we vets should take over this thread, flame the shit out of everyone and cause utter destruction. >.< I hope we don´t get too many non-player posts, they are basically flooding the debate, making it harder to see what´s going on. On April 15 2011 11:41 Shcoleosis wrote: I'm sure getting rid of the inactive would make the lynching process easier, but I can't help but question the idea of getting rid of people unnecessarily. I'm thinking about it more, and I'm realizing that there's a chance the one we lynch is scum and there's also a chance that he or she might not be scum....no way to tell right now. Hopefully we'll get lucky. Lynching inactives is a decent tactic, because scum usually try to stay under the radar and not help so much, then again any mafia with 5 minutes on the internet would know that and try to post more to avoid the first blasts. Been reading through these first posts and these are my first notes, not complete of course, just the first summary. While I partly agree with those who want to lynch people who post little, we should still think about how and why we lynch. It doesn´t take many lynches of slow-posting townies before we loose. Want to lynch inactives emlizzt Zorkmid Eternalmisfit Tries to not lynch inactives, at least yet Senj Scholeosis | ||
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On April 15 2011 23:03 Zorkmid wrote: This points to Forumrite. It doesn't matter that he posted this before he was even PM'ed.....if my assumption about sandroba holds true, than he has already revealed he AND Forumrite. How do you plead? I don´t understand your analysis at all. I´m in the game, posting, but unfortunately I can´t be online all the time. I will try to compensate by posting more when I can. -------- I see 2 things people should take note off. Please call me out if I misinterpret the situation, I WANT to hear your defence against these accusations. That I accuse Zorkmind immediately after he´s suspicious of me is bad form, but please check his posts if you don´t believe me. 1. Ssandroba and Zorkmind are both suspicious of Shcoleosis, apparently because she (?) wants to be carefull about who to lynch. 2. Zorkmind has posted that he is suspicious of Forumite (me), Ssandroba (twice) and Shcoleosis, all three who try to encourage analysis and debate and doesn´t want to lynch innocents. I feel this is scummy behavior because analysis and carefull lynching is what Town wants. | ||
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For the reasons mentioned above in my post, and because Zorkmid hasn´t made any effort at all to change my mind. ---- Is there a voting thread yet? | ||
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On April 16 2011 03:59 Zorkmid wrote: I'm all up for scumhunting, and will defend myself at any point that I think it's necessary. Let's hear from the lurkers! Why do you accuse those who want debate and analysis? Isn´t that a good way to find Scums? I want an answer from the lurkers too, especially if they are quiet tomorrow too, but the way you focused on them now, at the time that I want answers from you, feels more like you are trying to direct the heat to someone else. | ||
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On April 16 2011 02:34 elmizzt wrote:This seemed retarded at first, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense.... I and Eternalmisfit has accused Zorkmid, I think he´s trying to get reasonable people lynched and Eternal noted that he´s subtly derailing the talk. I have Zorkmid and Sandroba against Shcoleosis. Zorkmid thinks Sholeosis doesn´t want to lynch lurkers because his buddy is a lurker, while Sandroba makes a case about how he´s not helping the debate but only stating the obvious. Wants to Lynch Inactives: emlizzt Zorkmid Eternalmisfit Wants to Not Lynch Inactives: Forumite (me) Senj Shcoleosis Still not much to go on, but good to keep in mind for now. | ||
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On April 16 2011 06:04 VarpuliS wrote: would you care to share your data with the rest of us? And because I like tripple-posting; Yes, and you are welcome. | ||
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Nope, not anymore. Senj and Vain seem like the lurkers now, but I´m not sure, counting their posts in this thread might be a good idea. | ||
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I stand corrected. Senj has posted some, it´s not really a matter of non-posters anymore, but just some posting less, taking less part and taking less room in the debate. Information: Going offline early tonight. Will be back online tomorrow. Play nice while I´m gone. | ||
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emlizzt was quick to jump on Zorkmids weak accusations and want to lynch inactives, but had been quiet for a long time. Senj is generally quiet, this can be seen as scummy in the case when Town accuse Town and do a good job of lynching themselves. ---- I´m not convinced that Shcoleosis is a Mafia, actually I think it´s very unlikely because of how many jumped on the wagon to accuse him. At the moment it´s only emlizzt, senj, the lurkers, and me, who haven´t accused Shcoleosis at one time or other, that almost guarantees that Shcoleosis is Town because the Mafia are always quick to jump on the wagon against a Town, but slow to accuse their own if they can avoid it. If Shcoleosis is Mafia, then the other Mafia just threw him under the buss. I´m going to go by my earlier suspicions, that Zorkmid is Mafia because of his random accusations and willingness to lynch for weak reasons. That his defence is to vote on the one the rest of Town wants to Lynch doesn´t speak in his favor IMO, he´s not defending, just shifting blame. ##Vote Zorkmid | ||
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I´ve been tunneling on the Zorkmid and elmizzt connection, both of them calling me scum for not posting during the start of the first day, when I was asleep and had informed people of this beforehand. I have the feeling that Zorkmid was the talkative Mafia, elmizzt the quiet one. Elmizzt hasn´t really said anything except agreeing with lynching inactives and agreeing with a weird post with weak arguments from Zorkmid. I get a bit of bad wibes from Vain, not because he´s a slow poster, but because I don´t see him posting his own reasons for jumping on the wagon against Shcoleosis. It didn´t take long for people to start voting once the first vote was in. Zork and Sandroba voted quickly, but they had allready stated they had FoS on Shcoleosis, while Vains voting felt more like he was just agreeing rather than making up his own mind. I´d like to see some more reasons from him. Senj is also very slow on posting, not saying anything except encouraging analysis. So Lurkers: Senj Vain elmizzt (with possible Zorkmid connection) | ||
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____ Anyway, I like what Varpulis did, making a summary, but I disagree with his summary on Elmizzt. He´s still lurking, he´s posted only one-liner unhelpfull posts except his groundless accusations against me, his post to vote on senj and his long accusation post against Sandroba. Not posting just to post a huge post to defend himself and throw suspicion on another tells me that he could post more if he wanted to, but perhaps he doesn´t because the debate goes the way he wants it to. Then again, Sandroba wasn´t under much suspicion before Elmizzt accused him, so if he is scum and was trying to divert attention, then he didn´t do a very good job of it. | ||
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I agree with most of it, especially the lurkers, looks like a solid current situation. Not yet with you on Shcoleosis but with all the FoS on him I should probably do a post-by-post later. Currently this: FoS Elmizzt FoS Vain | ||
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Shcoleosis have long been designated scummy, and a good Mafia tactic is to lynch those that are suspicious because that is easy. A good Mafia makes himself immune to suspicion, and this one has a good tactic. He´s the one who speaks the most, explains the situation, help the others in their analysis and appear so pro-town that he´s beyond suspicion. By piling the case on Shcoleosis, he´s himself safe for another day, maybe more, and it´s safe to gather evidence against someone most people allready think is scum allready. Well, he unvoted Shcoleosis, didn´t he? To lynch an inactive that would get modkilled anyway nonetheless? Yes, there was an opportunity for a double kill there, but also an opportunity to appear more Town to help with providing obvious advice, the situation is no different from a normal first lynch, just that the modkill bonus disappeared. And immediately after the lynch, what does he do? Does a nice post on who everyone is, excluding himself of course, but clearly marking Shcolesis as the most likely Mafia, back on making sure a scummy Townie gets lynched. I hinted that I would do a post-by-post analysis of Shcoleosis, so it´s okay for him to do the same, another strong attack to lynch him. He´s not very subtle, but at least focused. The quote is below, I bolded the relevant part, so the emphasis is mine. On April 18 2011 00:12 VarpuliS wrote: Unfortunately, we've got no clue which blue roles (if any) are in the game. If we do have any blues, we've got one of each, which means that we need to use those abilities wisely. I've got two lists here, 1 for the medic, and 1 for the DT, assuming the best case scenario that we've got both. Now, why is this scummy? Simple, there is 4 possible role combinations. Townies have no information that hints to which it is. Doctor and Cop can be both alone and together, and the cop couldn´t have identified a roleblocker yet to get more info. Now, what about Mafia? A Mafia knows if he or the other Mafia is a roleblocker, so they know if it´s combinations 1 and 2, or 3 and 4. If they have a roleblocker then it MUST be either one Blue of each type or NO blues at all. Since no role except a Mafia would know this yet, we can be quite sure that Varpulis is Mafia. He outed himself by mistake, and we should lynch him for Day 2, as well as put Shcolesis off the scumlist. ________ And again I realize that I should check up on Shcolesis, because I just defended him again. I hope he´s not Mafia, but if I´m right that Varpulis is Mafia, then Shcoleosis just became a guaranteed Townie. | ||
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If I am Mafia, then Shcoleosis is probably too, since for some reason I defend him all the time. If Varpulis is mafia then Shcoleosis is probably Town, since he´s been on him for so long. Apart from that it´s a very interesting summary, kudos. | ||
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FoS: VarpuliS | ||
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Is this because of that old Zorkmid post? | ||
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Damn this game is hard. Hopefully we get more to go on tomorrow. I don´t think there are many hours left until night-phase is over, anyone who wants to leave any last clues or evidence had better do so. | ||
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We´ll see who´s alive tomorrow and talk it out then. | ||
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Sandroba, about VarpuliS and his analysis of Shcoleosis, I read the last one and it does sound decent, although I wonder if it warranted the massvotes he got earlier, before everyone turned on Senj. I´m wavering on who seems to be the most scummy but I have a few possible candidates. Forgive me if I don´t post who until I have more evidence to go on. And that´s enough for today, gnight and see you tomorrow! | ||
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Possibles: 1 Mafia Role Blocker, 1 Mafia Goon, 5 Town, 1 Medic, 1 Detective 2 Mafia Goon, 1 Medic, 6 Town. There is nothing (except maybe Sandroba) that says we have a detective or roleblocker in the game. The only thing we KNOW is that there is a Medic, and he was spot on. I don´t see much point in lying about being roleblocked, except to try to look more Town, but I´m still taking Sandrobas comment with a grain of salt. mmm, salt... | ||
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Look, if I was marked for a night-kill and saved, then the Mafia knows it, the Medic knows it, but there is no way I can prove this to any others without possibly endangering the Medic, and that´s something we don´t want to do. Like Sandroba saying "I´m roleblocked", it doesn´t give us any info, except that IF someone else was roleblocked then that person only can be quite sure that Sandroba is Scum, but haven´t got a way to expose him. Would you take my word for it if I said I was marked for death but saved by the Medic, when it´s such an obvious way to appear more Town? | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:33 sandroba wrote: Medic You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself. Does this means the person saved is informed of who saved him, or only that he was saved? You only get informed that you were saved, not by whom. Yes, I was saved by the Doctor, Mafia wanted me dead, and I got a PM saying I was saved. It didn´t include info on who saved me, I wanted to drag it out, see what people were saying, if someone makes a mistake. | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:23 Zorkmid wrote: This post seems very strange to me...at this point there isn't really anyone marked for lynching, and I'm more suspicious that someone acting protective towards lynch targets are scummy rather than townie. What I want is Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own thoughts, not just an "I agree" when someone else brings up evidence. I don´t agree that being protective is scummy, sure Mafia wants to protect Mafia, if possible, but there are so few Mafia, and there are a lot of instances where people point out that something is not scummy behavior. I see protecting someone as wanting a thought through lynch rather than lynching whoever makes the worst case for himself. | ||
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On April 18 2011 20:42 sandroba wrote: Well here comes my analysis of vain, wait for it! With the rope and noose ready  | ||
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What I wanted with the post is for Elmizzt and Vain to actually post their own accusations, if they only hop on the wagon, then they are not helping us. I want them to start posting more, because I get a strong scum-wibe from both of them. | ||
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On April 18 2011 21:09 Zorkmid wrote: You're getting a strong scum vibe because they're band wagoning and not making their own analyses? Explain yourself man! Elmizzt and Vain are extremely slow posters, but when they do post it´s to immediately jump on whoever is the current target for the lynch. Elmizzt even jumped on my VarpuliS-accusations, that really were quite weak after all. When I defend someone, because I do sometimes, and different people at that, it´s because I feel the evidence against them is weak, and in these two peoples cases, it´s always weak. | ||
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I would like you to note that I didn´t say I was saved at first. Partly because I didn´t see the PM until this morning, but also because I wanted to lure out the Mafia, and because I knew people would suspect me if I say I was saved. Saying I´m saved doesn´t help much, except if I get someone to make a mistake, like Vain did. | ||
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The suspicions that come on anyone claiming role-blocked or saved, or any blue role, is what made wait with informing you of the medics protection. I´m keeping my vote on Vain, he made his mistake and because that he looks scummier than Shcoleosis, to me that makes Shcoleosis Town until we lynch Vain and find out Vains alingment. | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:06 Zorkmid wrote: Is Vain really on anyone's suspect list other that yours and forumites ? Didn´t you see when he messed up? Please look through his unhelpfull posts, or consider how he´s been posting slow the whole game. | ||
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Either he is Mafia and knew the attack on me failed, or he´s Medic and knows he succeeded in saving me. | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:56 VarpuliS wrote: This is a theory, I'm just going to throw it out there: Sandroba is mafia, Vain's just not a very good player. Sandroba's been suspicious in my book for a while, but suddenly he accuses Vain and everybody ignores the possibility that he's scum. Clever, that. Also, note how he's defending Shcoleosis. I'll think this over, and come back later with a some evidence. What are you talking about? Sandroba accused Vain after Vain exposed himself as Mafia! It wasn´t out of the blue at all. | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:56 VarpuliS wrote: Also, note how he's defending Shcoleosis. I'll think this over, and come back later with a some evidence. I´m not 100% sure we should lynch Shcoleosis either, does that make 3 Mafia? | ||
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I think some of you are tunnelling on Shcoleosis too much, and therefore think that Vain must be allright since he was voting against Shcoleosis earlier, and they can´t both be Scum. | ||
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On April 19 2011 01:26 VarpuliS wrote: I think that lynching Vain would actually accomplish a lot at this point. I've been suspicious of him for a while, and his actions today have made him my #1 suspect. If he flips town Shcoleosis is basically proven scum, and if he flips scum then we've caught a scum. I want us to go on this and lynch Vain. | ||
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On April 19 2011 03:31 Zorkmid wrote: I didn't really want that information out there, but I'll echo that this was my reason for keeping my vote off of Vain. I have been aware of this possibility ever since Vain made the slip, but the thing is, he´s still just as good a target to Mafia even if he doesn´t say he´s Medic. He hasn´t denied that he knew it, he hasn´t claimed to actually have been a townie, and so he remains Mafia/Medic, which is barely better than being a confirmed Medic. If he´s the Medic then Mafia is allready on to that and they will kill him Night 2, so why doesn´t he just claim Medic? Because that would be just another nail in the coffin when the true Medic goes out and confirm our belief that he´s Mafia. To the Mafia, if he´s Mafia or Medic is clear, the only ones he´s trying to confuse is Town, which is why he´s our enemy and we should Lynch him now. | ||
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On April 19 2011 06:16 Vain wrote: If Sandroba would have read the guide and actually has some recollection memory he should exactly know why i did ask this question which is still unanswered. Do you want to explain what you mean here? | ||
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On April 19 2011 08:30 VarpuliS wrote: Sandroba and I have already voted for him. I don't know about anybody else. I'm assuming that by "set on" you mean "supportive of." Ready to vote on him in general. It looks like the support is weak, so I wonder if we shouldn´t consider other options. We´ll know either way after night 2 if Vain survives. | ||
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At least about everything except the part about the defender because Zorkmid thinks it´s me. | ||
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Once again he´s out and can´t defend himself, but there should be time until the Lynch must be in. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Shcoleosis | ||
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Since you are safe, at least until someone disputes your claim of Medic, that puts my suspicions towards Elmizzt and Shcoleosis as the Mafia pair and I´m ready to vote on them. | ||
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On April 19 2011 20:59 Zorkmid wrote: Vain, I don't follow your logic at all. Can you or someone else open my eyes as to why the Mafia already knows you're a Medic? He posted that he knew I was saved, so he must be Medic or Mafia. If he´s the Medic, then the Mafia knows because they know who they are, and that he´s not one of them. | ||
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----- Current Votes: Shcoleosis: 5 ----- Zorkmid: ##Vote Forumite - Unvoted ##Vote Scholeosis Sandroba ##Vote: scholeosis - Unvoted ##Vote: Vain - Unvoted ##Vote: Scholeosis Forumite ##Vote: Vain - Unvoted ##Vote: Shcoleosis VarpuliS ##Vote: Vain - Unvoted ##Vote: Shcoleosis Eternalmisfit ##Vote: Vain - Unvoted ##Vote: Shcoleosis Vain NOT YET VOTED Elmizzt NOT YET VOTED Shcoleosis NOT YET VOTED | ||
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By the way Vain, I suggest you vote too. | ||
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We have a detective, feel free to rolecheck Elmizzt if you want to. If the detective survives the night then I suggest he should roleclaim and tell us if Elmizzt is Mafia, so we have a 100% sure lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:51 Shcoleosis wrote: After reading this thread entirely, here's what I think on the matter: In my opinion, one of the first to accuse is usually the guilty one. Automatically everyone’s opinions are immediately placed under suspicion as the game progresses. That being the case, a mafia member wouldn’t express his opinions as eagerly as he would if he were agreeing with someone else’s. He would, however, be quick to blame, because doing so would divert attention away from himself. Zorkmid came up with the idea of lynching inactives and lurkers. That would work out greatly to his advantage if he were part of the mafia since it is more of an opportunity to blend, right? The more we accuse those of having a different opinion, the less of a suspect he seems to be. I am not the first to disagree with him. I am not the first to be accused because I disagreed with him. Notice how Zorkmid says he “will also be on anyone that jumps on Misfit’s argument about his Zorkmind person.” Why so defensive, Zorkmid? Perhaps he is afraid of everyone discovering how he is desperately trying to divert attention away from himself. He’s doing a great job of it. I had my suspicions about him early on because he's not only quick to agree with the majority, but he is also quick to blame. I didn't quote any other of his posts, but to me, he acts quite suspicious in most of them. Early post from Shcoleosis accusing Zorkmid of being Mafia. This suggest strongly that Zorkmid is Town | ||
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Zorkmid was the detective? What was his first night-action? | ||
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elmizzt hits Forumite sandroba checks Scholeosis Shcoleosis roleblocks sandroba Van protects Forumite That´s some impressive symmetry. | ||
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On April 20 2011 11:22 Vain wrote: Jeah, but sucks i fucked up with that first post. I was so happy for having a successful save that i slipped a bit. I think i could have hid it for days if i didn't do that  Bah, it got us talking, gave us more posts from the Mafia. | ||
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