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On April 25 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote: Sleep is for weak people! Healthy, sane, well rested weak people, but weak people nonetheless!  I didn't get any super secret psychic powers in my PM to keep me awake for 24 hours. Nobody ever gives me a mind bomb. I'll just have to be weak. | ||
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How many KP do they have? I don't see that in the OP. | ||
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On April 25 2011 11:15 GMarshal wrote: Lets kick off the discussion shall we? As I see it in this setup many traditional mafia "tells" dont apply as the mafia (except for the leader) have the same information as the town does, hell they don't even know who is going to die before they do. This means that we have to look for tells based not on more knowledge, but on pure behavior. I know this is a small distinction but I think its important enough to point out. Indeed. Analysis in this setup will be a bit different than in a game where scum all know each other. Even trying to look at voting patterns won't tell much. Will be hilarious though when one scummy fos' another and gets him lynched. I suppose a situation like that would perhaps aid in finding the GF. But even that will be difficult to pick up on. Know that this has started and I have my game hat on these mechanics are going to make this a very different type of game. | ||
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In other words I'm going to bed. | ||
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On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. Your breadcrumbing thing almost got me killed in XXXVII. A. Because you worded your question weirdly B. Because I'm not that bright. Please don't get me killed. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 12:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Of course scum-hunting is going to be the best way to find scum, but breadcrumbs are also a good way of finding out the cell leader. It looks like he can only send one PM to one of his people per morning/evening, which means that he's going to have to find a way to get information out to them otherwise, or else he'll have no way to contact more than a couple of them. We can't really rely on the connections between players in this game, so if someone starts acting weird after PM time, maybe they're scum. Also, when we kill the GF, we can go back and look at who he was trying to direct, and who he was paying special attention to, and how. I kinda understand what you are saying but how can we identify a breadcrumb if we only see half of it? Maybe if somebody keeps using the same word or phrase repeatedly but even then it would be hard to pick out. If you have a suggestion for how we might be able to spot these please feel free to share. I have trouble spotting breadcrumbs when I know what I'm supposed to be looking for. | ||
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On April 25 2011 11:40 Ace wrote: Analysis in this setup is still the same as a normal setup. The main difference here is that associating people by alignment in the beginning is much harder. Scum still know they are Scum and that almost everyone else is Town. That shouldn't drastically altar their behavior. I was thinking about this on my way to work Ace. (Hour + drive and I spend it thinking about Mafia. I need help.) In this setup would it not be even more beneficial for scum to lurk? Why I ask is it would seem to me that if what Wiggles said is true "scum can kill scum" and we can lynch them when they slip up what incentive do they have to post at all other than to avoid a mod kill? If they try to appear town their scum buddies can kill them. If they try to hide and skate we'll lynch them. I understand that scum still know they're scum but I believe this setup will drastically alter their behavior. As in making it almost non existent. So to that end I would like iGrok to verify Wiggles statement of scum being able to kill scum. I'm not getting that from the OP. And if that is the way it works I'm thinking we should just lynch the least active player each day. Maybe I'm thinking to much into this. Can scum hit scum at night? | ||
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On April 25 2011 21:35 GMarshal wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen. I have a plan, a plan that costs us nothing and and aids us in defeating or at least confusing the mafia's ability to "crumb" with specific words or phrases. Don't know what I'm getting at? sence the mafia are going to likely identify each other based on a few words or phrases I am going to mimic peoples posts and steal whole sentences and words that seem suspicious to me. This way if the mafia is revealing themselves by key phrases I confuse them into either believing I am one of them or not being able to use code phrases, I suggest you all do the same, I mean we dont know if it will work jet, but anything that causes confusion amongst the scum team will help us. I also suggest that if multiple people quote a post others of us do the same, as that might be a method of identification as well. Also I agree we need to keep up the posting activity, as quality posts are important to foster discussion. Wouldn't they just search for the original post? Might slow them down a bit maybe. | ||
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On April 25 2011 21:41 sandroba wrote: I think this discussion about breadcrumbs is not productive at all, specially if you reveal your strategy before you put it in practice. Doing what you are suggesting is going to make scumhunting more difficult imo. Also I don't think that's the way mafia is going to identify each other, as there are several other more obvious ways I can think of. Please share. | ||
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On April 25 2011 21:53 sandroba wrote: If you can't think of one it's in my best interest not to share, because maybe the cell leader cannot think of one aswell. Why do you want me to share it? So we would know what to look for. I hadn't considered what the cell leader may or may not be capable of thinking of. | ||
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On April 25 2011 22:58 sandroba wrote: I'm going to post my three people without the msg then. Ace, GM, Mr. Wiggles. I would inform them of all other mafia players so they can operate normally without the fear of mislynching one of the other agents. Well thanks for that. And how would you transmit this information? You said you can do so without posting anything in the thread. I'm curious how that mechanic would work. You can't send names. You can only contact 1 at a time. You have 5 words or 20 characters/msg. Please don't answer that. God forbid the cell leader gets his hands on super secret stealth communications abilities. Please stop posting pointless "I would do something but I'm not telling you what it is" posts. This thread is for discussion. If you don't feel you can discuss something don't mention it. You're beginning to look a lot like somebody that wants to post a lot of useless stuff just to appear to be contributing. | ||
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tnkted Tackster GMarshall My messages to all 3 would be from shared game experiences tnkted would be a simple one My beloved. He would know exactly who sent it. Tackster would be just as easy. You're easiest. He also would know who it was from. GMarshall would be a bit more difficult but it would refer to LSB's Clues and Puzzles game where we were both scum together and LSBs first clus was basically Jackal is scum. I'd have to think about how I wrote it but it would allude to that. All of these are fun and all but basically what I'm seeing from all of these is the CL can reveal himself to cell members one at a time. Does nothing for each cell member to id each other. For that to happen something has to be left in the thread. | ||
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On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote: it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am. Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that. IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs. I think I disagree with that. I think scum are doing a huge wtf do I do atm. It will be the end of day two at the earliest before they would all know who the GF is. That's assuming 4 sleepers. What do they do in the meantime? Would seem to me they'd have to pretty much hide. With possibly 1/3 of the players having a scum role they run a one in three chance of killing one of their team mates. I think it is most likely that we will see a players activity level increase a bit after he has been contacted by his Leader but even then he most likely will only know 1 member. I think I'm liking towns chances in this the more I think about it. | ||
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On April 26 2011 00:48 GMarshal wrote: Interestingly enough do you mind if I ask you a question? Why are these lists useful? I'd like to hear what reasoning went behind asking us to post these. First thought that crossed my mind is he's the cell leader looking for us to do his breadcrumbing for him. But I'm willing to play along to see where he was going. | ||
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On April 26 2011 00:51 Ace wrote: That will become clear soon, I'm just waiting for more lists. Rean, why, Kenpachi, Zorkmid, Vain, darmousseh, and GGQ still have to post their lists. They have yet to post at all. | ||
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On April 26 2011 02:39 iGrok wrote: It is possible for scum to kill scum at night. That just makes me believe scum are going to hunker down and hide for a day or two. | ||
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On April 26 2011 03:33 why wrote: a) Although I don't like the way he posted it, I generally agree with Rean that the discussion so far has centered on setup analysis and not much scum analysis. I read through it and was surprised by how cordial everyone seemed. There just aren't any FoS's being thrown around yet, which is how stuff usually gets done. At this point my best FoS is Jackal58. It seems really weird to me that everyone jumped on sandroba when he said that he had a way to communicate all the sleeper agent names via the 20 character message but wouldn't tell everyone. If he was scum, he would have jumped on the chance to reveal the strategy in the hopes that the scum leader would use the idea. Not giving up the idea is a null tell at worst. Since Jackal was the most vocal about sandroba giving up the information (and even going so far as to lightly FoS sandroba over the matter), I'm voting him. ##Vote: Jackal58 b) Depending on the exact meaning of scum may be able to identify their entire team (or the majority) in one message that doesn't rely on the thread. I see no reason to give specifics, as that will only help mafia, but it should be kept in mind that a new sleeper agent MAY know the entire team each PM cycle. That said, we should definitely be on the lookout for repeated phrases, although the godfather would have to be dumb to make them easily detectable. c) If I was godfather, I'd send messages to Ace, Wiggles, and GGQ. These are just people I think are particularly good at playing the game. My message would depend on exactly what the restrictions on naming names is. If too restrictive, I'd probably tell them to do something specific in their posts. My entire point to him was if you don't want to discuss it don't bring it up. And I'm always "vocal" Glad you could join us. | ||
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On April 26 2011 03:58 why wrote: What sandroba did made perfect sense as town (and, yes, as cell leader). If it doesn't involve the thread then there is no reason for him to post specifics. However, it is still useful to say that there is a method he can think of that will inform the PM'ed scum of the entire list. The possibility he brought up, not the method, is the important part. And Ace, I'm excited to see what you've been up to... And he made no mention of not wanting to discuss it until I asked him to share. So I'm scummy because I'm not a mind reader? | ||
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On April 26 2011 05:27 why wrote: Jackal, this is the post I am referring to: At this point sandroba has already laid out why he wouldn't want to say anything. You FoS him for it. This is anti-town, since you are FoSing someone for hiding something that only a scum would want/need to know about. You are the one prolonging discussion about something that shouldn't require further discussion. I was merely asking him to refrain from making posts that he did not feel he was able to discuss. Much like tnkted's semi claim last night. If you can't discuss it don't allude to it. If you have to put forth something and need to hold back some details fine. At least explain that in your original post. But don't say I know all the answers but I'm not telling. | ||
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On April 26 2011 06:05 GMarshal wrote: We now know we have to work on the assumption that the mafia will have all their names by day 3. I think thats a pretty relevant piece of knowledge for us to have, no? It is very relevant. If it is indeed possible the biggest scum tells I think we'll see is a change in posting frequencies. I would suggest every body keep track of how many posts per day each player is making. If there is a marked increase by some of them after 2 or 3 days it is very likely they are scum. | ||
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On April 26 2011 06:12 Ace wrote: That doesn't mean anything. Posting frequency is just as much affected by what's being posted by other players and if people are directly asking you questions. That's a waste of time. I think if you are scum in this set up you are forced into hiding until you know who is on your team. I am town. I have nothing to hide from town. My biggest let down would be to become a mislynch for town. Lynches are the only means we have to win. Scum will target pro town at night. I have no control over that. If I get shot that just means scum thought I was doing a good job. Scum can't afford to post much. If they attempt to appear too much like town they run the risk of being killed by their own teammates at night. They do not yet possess the knowledge to bandwagon lynches so they are on their own in that respect. Not to mention running the risk of lynching their own. Or slipping up and getting lynched themselves. I really think activity levels will tell a story when this game is over. Just my opinion. | ||
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On April 26 2011 06:18 why wrote: Sandroba did point out the danger. Basically, it went like this: Sandroba: I can think of a method for scum to communicate all teammates in one PM. Watch out. Ace, Gmarshal, Jackal: What is it? Sandroba: Don't want to say because it might help scum. Ace, GMarshal (eventually): ok Jackal: FoS I guess I misused the word "anti-town". My point is that Jackal FoSing him serves a mafia purpose: if Jackal was town there's no incentive for him to know it, given that it can't be looked out for in the thread. The only reason Jackal would want to know is if he a scum or cell leader looking for effective PMing strategies. I think it is pretty clear that there is no benefit to town knowing the information and there is benefit for mafia, so the FoS can't be justified in terms of creating discussion. Anyway, I think everyone gets where I am coming from so I'll let the discussion move on. But my vote stays on Jackal unless someone can come up with a better lynch (why are people voting Mr. Wiggles?). If that's your idea of the way I FoS somebody you haven't been paying attention. I hit 'em with a bag of rocks and don't stop. | ||
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On April 26 2011 08:14 Kenpachi wrote: oh ya. do you guys think its funny how Mafia may vote the most protown role to kill which may force Sleeper Cell People to not contribute as much? ??? | ||
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You understood that??? | ||
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That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him. Let's start with this one. On April 25 2011 08:00 tnkted wrote: I will say this: It is in towns best interest if we stop talking about this. If i was trying to draw mafia attention to myself, pointing it out is bad because then they'll be scared off from killing me. If it was an honest mistake, we're all drawing attention to it and mafia will kill me. If I was trying to draw town attention to myself, I've clearly succeeded. I will say this: keeping my role a secret is fucking stupid. If i hadn't said something now i'd have breadcrumbed and claimed later. Actually, maybe i'll do that. Checking with igrok to make sure its ok... So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role: On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. And then continued again: On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts. He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it. Now this post: On April 25 2011 12:21 tnkted wrote: Everyone disregard this (crumbing for later): DSBETNLBNTF Now, on to the game. Trying to find scum's breadcrumbs is going to be extremely difficult imo. There are two ways I think we can play this game if breadcrumbing is vitally important: 1. Set up a posting standardization system where people refrain from using coloqualisms and any identifying characteristics. This system would have to be set up so that all players may only communicate using certain standard symbols or phrases. By simplifying the language like this we can dirastically reduce the ways in which breadcrumbing can happen. However, such a system would completely remove all sense of personality and also all other possible scumtells. 2. Not focus on breadcrumbing at all, except where it is obvious. If we focus on breadcrumbing, picking apart everybody's posts for clues and hints we're going to completely miss what we should be really looking for in those posts, which are scumtells. You can bet that since scum doesn't know who scum is, they are NOT going to want to vote for the scummiest players. Scum is going to act stranger than normal, so we can't waste time looking for scumtells. We can't stop the CL from pming his cronies, so looking for scumtells is a waste of time and town attention. Remember what happened when we focused on the item game in insane 2? We won the item game but lost the overall game. :/ Now, 1 is going to be pretty difficult to do, so I vote that we do 2. Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells? I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do? And lastly On April 26 2011 00:10 tnkted wrote: it wouldn't matter who I sent my 3 to, I'd just have to write: "Twinkle Twinkle Little Scum 3rd" and they'd know who I am. Technically, theres no reason that scum needs to know who their buddies are if they know who the CL is. The CL can use them like a conductor, posting a scumlist or an analysis that triggers the agents to pick a certain person, perhaps the person third in the list or something (ie the 3rd from above). So I'll be watching scumlists to see if anybody dies from that. IMO, the cell leader is going to be posting with the best of us this game. He's got to blend in more than anyone, and since he's godfather he's immune to checks. I'm guessing that the first time the DTs 'insufficently' checks a vig and the vig is lynched, we're going to be a lot less likely to lynch on results from DTs. Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get. I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted. Sorry twinkles. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:26 Ace wrote: Tkdted never made a role claim or hinted at one. You guys are reading something that isn't there. He "breadcrumbed" which while it wasn't even a bread crumb isn't a RC. Since no one has any solid analysis and are pretty much much reading posts trying to make them look scummy instead of reading people there isn't a good lynch yet. I'd say we should unvote or get rid of inactive but that seems silly. This notion that Scum may be trying to play low activity so they are contacted by the cell leader is absolute nonsense. The Cell Leader already knows the Agent's identities so activity level doesn't matter. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote:It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. ???? I'd also like to know the point of your exercise. | ||
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On April 27 2011 02:52 Ace wrote: Jackal care to explain yourself when you quoted that post? Explain myself for quoting what post? Would you care to explain your Cell Leader exercise? | ||
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On April 27 2011 03:11 Ace wrote: Did you conveniently forget to read the post right above you? No I answered your question before I scrolled through the rest of the thread. Forgive me for being fallible. I answered your question with a question. Which quoted post were you talking about? Or are you being conveniently obtuse? | ||
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On April 27 2011 04:27 Ace wrote: Because I feel you are the most scummy player in the game so far. Why else would I vote for you? And what makes me scummy? | ||
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I haven't made semi claims and posts proclaiming I have a secret but I'm not telling. I have answered any questions asked of me. Except for you know the vague one you asked me and never clarified. I'm not lurking. What have I done that is scummy? Disagree with you? | ||
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On April 27 2011 04:40 Ace wrote: + Show Spoiler [1st posts] + On April 26 2011 23:37 Jackal58 wrote: We have about 12 hours remaining until day is up. So it's time we begin to decide who is going to be our first lynch. I really hate day 1 in these games. I pretty much suck at the beginning of these. That said though I do think tnkted has made a few posts that need to be clarified by him. Let's start with this one. So if it's in towns best interest to drop it why did you bring it up? The subject did not arise due to a slip in conversation or an argument. You flat out stated you had a strange role: And then continued again: And he also tries to assure GM that the cell leader can't possibly have gone out yet. But for all we know he may have laid out the first part of his breadcrumbing to his team mates in pregame posts. He doesn't want to discuss it yet it was an intentional slip/slide/red herring/breadcrumb or whatever you want to call it. Now this post: Everybody disregard my bread crumb? Don't look for breadcrumbs? Don't look for scumtells? I didn't sign up for basket weaving tnkted. Wtf should we do? And lastly Seems to know how the CL is going to operate. Then tells us to ignore any DT checks we may get. I am not the greatest analyzer in this game. Far from it. It is also day one so the body of work we all have to go on is minimal. However these posts from tnkted all seem to carry the same anti-town feel to them. If I'm way off the mark please show me. Until then my vote is going on tnkted. Sorry twinkles. First lets us realize that as of the first line of his post Jackal's insistence is that we should find our Day 1 lynch. My issue here is that tnkted's announcement of a strange role is being put out there as if it's scummy when it isn't. It's not anti-town, it's not scummy - it's just bad play. Now when I posted my list earlier about the 3 people who I'd contact I listed Jackal and my reasoning was that he doesn't suck. Which means I think more often than not he can recognize bad town play over scum play and imo this is an obvious case of it. + Show Spoiler [2nd posts] + On April 27 2011 02:32 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2011 07:36 tnkted wrote: Yep, got mine too. This is going to be an interesting game, I got a strange role. On April 25 2011 07:41 tnkted wrote: Lol GM, the cell leader's messages can't possibly have gone out yet, the game hasn't even started yet. I'm not crumbing, I'm just honestly stating that my role is strange. Here: WEIRD ROLE, DUDES On April 25 2011 07:47 tnkted wrote:It makes perfect sense once you see the role. I might actually claim pretty early this game. Debating the merits of it. ???? I'd also like to know the point of your exercise. This was from the previous page when I asserted that tnkted never role claimed and Jackal quoted some of his posts that didn't show that he did. Pretty much this is either Scum behavior or Jackal mixing up tnkted's bad play with Scum play. Was not an insistence. You make it sound as though I was making demands. I put forth a suggestion. There was very little activity in the thread. I jump started it. I chose the most erratic seeming player (in my opinion) to look at. I freely admitted I suck at analysis and asked for the opinions of others. I got one opinion from GM and a rather odd post from you. You said tnkted never role claimed or hinted at one. Your words not mine. So I quoted 3 posts of his that absolutely hinted at a role claim. So I put forth some analysis admitting I'm not very good at it. Point out an error you made in your assertion of tnkted not even hinting at a role claim and I'm scum? I've been trying really really hard to shake this reputation I have of being a tunneler. I'm trying really really hard to develop an ability to do analysis. All I have received for my efforts in my last game and this one is labeled scum on day one. If that's the way it's going to be fuck it I'll just tunnel people. | ||
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So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. | ||
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On April 27 2011 09:15 GMarshal wrote: @Jackal, Ace is a scary player on either side, mafia or town, his town play is not up to his mafia play, but thats because his scum play is miles ahead of what almost anyone can pull off. That was my impression as well but I think the only time we played together was in PYP II. I was lynched on day 1 so it wasn't very long. I basically sacrificed myself to prove that 1 of the 5 people above me on the draft list was scum. I was not scum then I am not scum now. I see no reason to be a sacrificial lamb in this game so I'm just a little bit irked. Hell the only time I've ever been scum was in LSB's Clues and Puzzles game. You know how that worked out for me. | ||
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On April 27 2011 10:43 Eiii wrote: anyway I'm gonna vote for kenpachi (for now) since he's self-confirmed as useless. If tackster's gonna be modkilled then we should probably throw all our votes into him, though. He has posted and voted. Why would he be mod killed? | ||
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On April 27 2011 11:28 tnkted wrote: I actually wanted to draw a hit from mafia tonight, hopefully I did. I'll explain after the day post. Some people weren't content letting me play my game (jackal, of whom I would expect nothing less, impervious, who I think is just new, and zorkmid, who got overly defensive when he was FOS'd and immediately latched onto what he considered the weakest player). This was pretty stupid on their part. I think most of the rest of the crew here understood that I was trying to draw mafia attention with my 'fake' slip. Ace certainly got it, when he called it bad play, and I think darm understood it. I didn't realize Ace was so well regarded in the mafia community, but apparently he is and he's probably going to be killed tonight. If I were scum I'd vote for him. Hopefully my gambit drew enough votes to save him. Full claim after the post. Dude. Bullshit. First Impervious isn't new. Second When I see shit I don't understand I ask about it. I understand your love of breadcrumbs and gambits. But don't fucking try to tell me I'm out of line when I call somebody on a bullshit laden post. I'm not clairvoyant. I can't read your mind. When I see bullshit I call it what it is. If I had a hand in ruing some gambit you were trying to run don't blame me. Your execution left a lot to be desired. If you're going to rum some kind of gambit run it. Don't start bitching that I rained on your parade. If you expected me to piss in your Kool Aid you probably should have done something different. Bullshit. I'm not responsible for your gambits failure. You are. | ||
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From the OP: Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining. Mafia will kill the submitted name with a simple majority of votes. Seems a bit hasty to me man. | ||
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And some of those words will be hard to avoid. | ||
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On April 28 2011 02:52 Zorkmid wrote: /out Too late for that. | ||
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On April 28 2011 04:28 chaoser wrote: Zorkmid will hopefully be replaced momentarily Seriously? I thought he just typed out in the wrong thread. | ||
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On April 28 2011 06:28 bumatlarge wrote: Wow this is confusing, but I think I got the basic gist of the mechanics. Ace, wouldnt the name game be kinda helpful for CL to make a list and be able to point out multiple persons without naming names? And jackal is the traffic thing a breadcrumb lol? I've been reading through thread keeping my eyes open for non-thread related stuff just in case, and you spend a nice chunk on discussing traffic lol... Kinda suspicious of Ace to what he is suggesting and how it helps town. Jackal next because of the traffic, and I haven't read into anyone else, except tnkted, who will just sit in a corner sprinkling his little crumbs everywhere. Aren't we supposed to try to prevent everyone from being able to breadcrumb, not give them the best opportunities to do so? Maybe I missed key stuff, but I don't really have much time for a full analysis yet. I'm stuck in traffic  It took me a minute to figure out what you were referring to. My ride home last night was brutal. It was back to the norm tonight. Just long. | ||
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On April 28 2011 08:02 GMarshal wrote: I'll be moving to lynch the next person to refer to traffic, ride, or any driving terms, hell any non-mafia conversations will be suspicious! this isn't your personal blogs section, whatever some people may have believed in the past I only mentioned it to put my thought process into context. | ||
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On April 28 2011 13:06 GMarshal wrote: Fuck, there goes my chance of getting the girl.... gl town, nail those bastards for me Well poop. We will man. | ||
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And I wasn't paranoid just honestly amazed that I was called scum. | ||
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On April 29 2011 01:34 why wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2011 08:47 Jackal58 wrote: Long drive home. Traffic sucked. Actually traffic lights sucked. The first 20 miles they were all out. Fuck me. Anyways I was pondering what I may have said or done to appear scummy to Why and Ace. I honestly can't think of a reason. I have been honest and straight up with my posts. I asked questions about sandroba and why he would make a post that alluded to information he wouldn't share. Why thought that was scummy. sandroba answered it and others beat me about the head and shoulders about it. I'm not always the most astute person in the world. I moved on. I did what I felt was an honest analysis of tnkted. I was hoping tnk would respond so we could move on. Tnkted is playing in a game I am cohosting on another forum He has not been there all day so I am going to assume he just has life going on today. Ace just says I'm scummy with no real reasons. He says tnkted is just playing poorly. and I'm scum because I analyzed him. I say bull shit to both their votes. So my traffic addled brain came up with two reasons. The first one is scum cannot build a bus today because they don't know each other. Except for one. This scenario would put why in the scum camp with Ace as the CL. It's the only bus scum can do. Why has disappeared. Ace has voted me because I'm scummy. The second scenario is this. I was talking to Coagulation before the game started about the people playing. Asking him for his opinion of those that I hadn't played with or played very little with. Most are names I don't know. Coag didn't know them either. But his assessment of Ace was much praise on his ability to play scum. He said he's one of the best. But that was followed by "But his town play absolutely sucks". So now I am torn between two options. I honestly don't know which scenario makes more sense to me. I really do hate day 1. I put some light pressure on you. Ace tells me my reason for pressure was completely stupid here: + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2011 05:42 Ace wrote: That's not anti-town. Whether or not sandroba is correct in sharing his information and whether anyone believes what he is hiding is beneficial to the town, Jackal laying a FoS on him for that isn't anti-town. anti-town is doing something that hampers the goal of killing scum. This isn't such an incident and it is a relevant discussion. Add it up to your suspicion points and keep letting him dig a hole for himself if you think he's so anti-town. then like 12 hours later accuses you for completely different reasons. You come to the conclusion that either Ace sucks at town play or Ace and I are in a scum bandwagon together. Sounds paranoid to me. I'd still rather put pressure on Ace though. Speaking of which: ##Vote: Ace Jackal, who are your top suspects at the moment? There are now enough posts to at least have some suspicions... ...do you actually think his behavior is scummy? The fact that Ace didn't die probably means that a lot of the sleeper agents think that Ace is scum, not necessarily that Ace actually is scum. I still don't know why I'm scummy looking to either of you. That's the only conclusion I could come to. I still think that scum are the ones posting the least in this game. GGQ,tnkted, Rean prior to being mod killed. And yourself. You say Ace may not have gotten killed because scum thinks he's scum. But if 5 scum think he's scum wouldn't a boat load of townies have been voting for him yesterday? I still say that as scum become more aware of who is on their team they will start to become more vocal. Kinda like you are. | ||
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On April 29 2011 05:53 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Ok, some thoughts: Firstly, GM decided not to shoot last night. This is a little surprising to me given his vigilante list, that he didn't decide to shoot a lurker off it himself. I guess he figured that he would live long enough to pick a better target and just wanted to apply pressure with it. That said, I'd look at people on his vig list a little bit more, so: Eii, GGQ, why, Vain, darm. These are the people who would have felt threatened by GM because he wanted them dead. The DT list is also somewhere you could look, but to a lesser extent, because saying you want someone to die is more pressure than saying you want someone to get checked, one of those situations isn't salvageable. On the vig issue. GM may have decided to not shoot after I reminded him of scums win condition. Town has to be out of players with guns. So GMs loss is really quite significant to us. | ||
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On April 29 2011 08:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So... did the thread die? I want to type more on my new keyboard :p Breadcrumb? | ||
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Claiming DT? Really? You're not that smart either. Go ahead and lynch me. I 110% guarantee you that you won't disrupt anything about scums communications. I will be seriously pissed that I got lynched on a 25% RNG return. I am not scum. I am not CL. | ||
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On April 29 2011 12:33 GGQ wrote: Bum's claim feels off to me, partly because i was already suspecting Zorkmid and voted for him yesterday. But looking at it logically, I don't see bum as scum claiming to trade himself one for one with a townie here, especially in this game where he can't even be sure jackal is town unless bum is the CL. Most likely the claim is true, but it still feels really risky to me to claim dt with no protects and not even a confirmed check. I'm working under the assumption that the claim is true. The analysis on jackal seems solid enough, and jackal hasn't been playing like his usual town style. It could be his attempt to form a more rational and less tunneling style as he claims, or he could be mafia. He keeps mentioning that mafia are likely to the ones with few posts, while he keeps posting without saying much of relevance. His one analysis of a player is full of self-doubt and not followed strongly at all, which isn't like jackal. It is off. It's so far off it's fucking ridiculous. I try to get better at this and all my efforts get me lynched. Fuck me. Sorry Bum. But your efforts are in vain. You have outed yourself. You think I'm the CL. Town loses out due to a 25% chance of whimsy. Go ahead and lynch me. You will not disrupt scums communications and we lose a DT. Sounds like a fair trade to me. Gurglearrrrgggghhhhh. I'm going back to tunneling. Fuck this shit. | ||
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If you were pulling some sort of scum shit you would have just claimed I was scum not the insufficient evidence bs. What I don't understand is why you felt like you had to reveal your role with an "insufficient evidence" return and a shit load of smoke and mirrors analysis. You pretty much guarantee we're both dead. Once again you get zero return on your RPGs. Go Bum. | ||
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On April 30 2011 00:53 Impervious wrote: Ok, for those of you who are skeptical of bum, what do you think about lynching him to prove it, to satisfy your curiosity? If he really is the DT, his list and reasoning seems pretty solid, and I haven't seen any better ideas..... I am not in favor of lynching our DT. No matter how obsolete he just managed to make himself. | ||
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On April 30 2011 04:21 Ace wrote: why do you believe he's a DT so easily? There is no way you can 100% believe him so fast. I'm not 100% anything. I just can't see him pulling a Pandain and then claiming I checked "insufficient information" If that is the case then he's running some sort of gambit that makes no sense to anybody but himself. On April 30 2011 04:33 bumatlarge wrote: Because I'm hypothetically 100% correct! (and jackal is CL) Though I am confused about tnkted, what the balls dude? Even if we both heavily suspect Ace, jackal or myself needs to be lynched so we can sort this out ASAP. I really don't see how you can make Ace out to be scum but thinking jackal is town at the same time. You're hypothetically delusional. He can think that way because I am town. Hell Ace was sure I was scum yesterday and now he's defending me. WTF!!! You guys are all going batshit insane. | ||
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So to sum it all up: 1. You didn't disrupt anything. 2. If you're a DT you fucked town. 3 I'm annoyed that I'm going to get lynched on a bullshit plan that ain't going to do dick. | ||
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On April 30 2011 07:08 Zorkmid wrote: Delete this and get the fuck out of here | ||
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I feel like I'm doing a huge omgus but I also feel like I have no other choice. Bum is not my first choice for my vote. But I really need to know what he is. ##VOTE: Bumatlarge | ||
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On April 30 2011 12:32 bumatlarge wrote: I already made a proposed lynch list wiggles. I'm a DT, and jackal admitted it. I don't know why he did, but he did. So now town will lynch me and see I am Analyst. tnkted gets shot tomorrow so then the remaining players will be this [X] 1. Impervious [X] 2. Jackal58 [X] 3. Mr. Wiggles [X] 4. GGQ [X] 5. Ace [X] 6. Eiii [X] 7. why VarpuliS [X] 8. Vain [X] 9. darmousseh [X] 10. Sandroba So if you mislynch after me, it's lylo. You shouldn't even mislynch though, since I gave town a solid scum list. I never admitted anything Bum. How can I admit you're a DT. I have no idea if you are a DT or not. My initial reaction was yes you are a DT. Yes you got an insufficient evidence check back. That is not an admission that you are a DT. I can't make that admission because I don't know if you are a DT or not. As the day has gone on my initial reaction has been tempered some what by wtf are you thinking. And now you say I admitted you are a DT. How the hell can I admit that? Lemme guess. You read tea leaves too. | ||
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If I was the CL you guys would probably have every name before the game started. | ||
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On May 01 2011 13:22 Ace wrote: If you were the head of the FBI and had an undercover agent on the inside would you tell the press? So you're claiming to be some sort of double agent with a gun??? Wtf kind of claim is that? And if it's true why the fuck would you claim that? That makes less sense than bum claiming DT so early.(wtf bum )You seriously want us to believe you are vigi/sooper spy? Day 1 you call me scummiest player in the game. Day 2 you tear bum a new one and lead the charge on his lynch after he calls me scum. Yet according to you I'm the scummiest player in the game. Day 3 you claim vig/sooper spy. Day 3 I call bullshit. If you are on the "inside" as you say you're actions make no sense what so ever. You push the DT lynch over who you believe to be the scummiest player. If you are on the inside this just doesn't add up. You would have known bum and I were both town and pushed for a 3rd party for the lynch. Not one of us. I'm not buying it. If you have some sort of role that allows you to get info on the scum team and shoot them why would you claim it???? | ||
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On May 01 2011 22:30 VarpuliS wrote: @Vain: sit out XXXIX, it's about to start. @Jackal: Let's wait and see. I'm expecting a full claim from ace, somebody to claim they got hit, and possibly a claim from Tnkted. If nobody claims that they took a hit, then I will agree with you that Ace's claim is bullshit. Plenty of people are still sleeping now, I assume, so it'd be best to wait until all of the facts are on the table before coming to conclusions. If Ace had just claimed vig I wouldn't be so fast to fos him. Like you I would wait a bit. But he added this bullshit: On May 01 2011 13:19 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Then why does the day post say that the sleeper agents shot one of their own? If you were the head of the FBI and had an undercover agent on the inside would you tell the press? [/QUOTE] That is pure bullshit and pure Ace as scum. | ||
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On May 01 2011 22:50 Jackal58 wrote: If Ace had just claimed vig I wouldn't be so fast to fos him. Like you I would wait a bit. But he added this bullshit: If you were the head of the FBI and had an undercover agent on the inside would you tell the press? That is pure bullshit and pure Ace as scum. EBWOP Quote fail. On May 01 2011 13:22 Ace wrote: If you were the head of the FBI and had an undercover agent on the inside would you tell the press? | ||
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On May 02 2011 01:30 sandroba wrote: First of all, I'd like to apologise for not posting much for the last couple days. I'm not at home right now and I'm posting this through my phone. Second, I'm ex-marine (vet) and I got shot last night. My main FoS right now is Darmousseh, Eiii and Jackal58. I believe Imprevious to be town. I'll post some analysis when I arrive. I don't think I'm buying this either. If a vig shot last night why would they shoot GGQ or you? I'm the one with a great big fucking target on my back. | ||
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On May 02 2011 02:05 VarpuliS wrote: Okay then, now we've got some information. Sandroba's vet claim backs up Ace's vigi claim, so as of now I'm inclined to believe both of them. I'm still waiting. If this doesn't get posted soon he's a priority lynch for me. Unless they are both scum. | ||
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On May 02 2011 02:28 Ace wrote: um...what target? Anyway I was going to shoot Impervious last night but switched to GGQ. 2 things that stood out to me: 1.) Asking about darmousseh. There are a couple of lurkers this game and he was the third person to ask about this specific lurker. 2.) My message intercepts As an undercover agent I intercepted parts of 2 messages so far: "watch the Canadian" "likes men's magazine" The first had something to do with either Impervious or Mr.Wiggles and I chose Impervious. The second I figured pointed to GGQ 3.) When GGQ asked me my opinion of Wiggles analysis on Impervious that was my gut shot. For someone barely in the thick of things all game he chose an opportune time to get involved. I'm an undercover Agent with 1 shot and get parts intercepted messages from the CL. So I have no more shots anyway and I'm pretty sure we're close to winning this especially seeing how panicked you are. If you are a townie you should be glad I chose correctly because if I missed I'd be automatically killed also. Something tells me you aren't though. I'm not panicked. I'm not paranoid. You're confusing my incredulous reaction with a panicked or or paranoid reaction. You say you think we're close to winning. Define "we". If you had a shot and you were town I'd be dead. Then I would no longer be a lynch discussion. I call bullshit. Plain and simple. Did I want to get shot? Hell no. Did I expect to? Hell yes. This stinks so bad it's not even funny. Day 1 I was scummy. Day 2 bum and I could both be green. Day 3 you're a super spy. The only reason I'm not dead is so you can get me lynched. Let town do your scummy work for you. You're a vig like I'm Santa Claus. ##VOTE: Ace | ||
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On May 02 2011 05:26 Ace wrote: Did I claim Vigilante? You're spewing so much bullshit you're forgetting what bullshit you already spread. On May 01 2011 13:15 Ace wrote: Actually let me post now so I dont have to deal with Impervious trying to make up stuff from my posts: Last night I shot GGQ and I know my bullet went through because I didn't get a message saying my hit failed. | ||
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On May 02 2011 05:32 Ace wrote: I didn't role claim Vigi. I said Undercover Agent. Learn to read thanks. And Bill Clinton never had sexual relations with that woman. Call it whatever you want to. I don't care. You're claiming you have a role that allows you to be judge jury and executioner. I call bull shit. | ||
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On May 02 2011 05:39 Ace wrote: *yawn* You need a dirt nap. | ||
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On May 02 2011 05:58 Impervious wrote: Do you believe sandroba's claim of being hit as a veteran? Because, if so, Ace's claim makes sense. Either you think that sandroba and Ace are both mafia, or you think neither are at this point. I am leaning towards "neither". No I don't believe him either. Simple scenario. CL knows who his agents are. He knows who they vote for. They voted for GGQ. Ace sends a simple message. Claim vet. He pulls this bs out of his ass. Boom 2 scum confirmed townies. The role he is claiming is BS. It's imba out the wazoo. Hi. You're intelligence agent. You can intercept messages. Oh and here have a gun. Bull shit. | ||
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On May 02 2011 13:58 sandroba wrote: I'm posting this drunk but I hope it makes sense. Tomorrow I'll post a more thourough analysis if needed. I previously stated taht I believed jackal to be town but after seen ace's LOL messages I am convinced taht he's mafia. I thought at first he was too careless and naive to be mafia, but after seen the messages from ace and the fact that he came back as "insuficient information" from bum's check, I believe him to be the cell leader. Those messages are so bad it makes sense that jackal is scum. I've read other games and his meta is definitively diferent than when he was town so I believe he is scum. Jackal if you realy are cell leader, I must say you should be ashamed of yourself because those messages are LOL. I am not the cell leader. I am not scum. Those messages are pure fabrication by Ace. I also resent the implication that I'm stupid. "Herp derp. Stoopid messages Jackal must be the cell leader derp" You're scum. I know it. You know it. Ace knows it. Claiming Vig/vet tandem is as old as this game is. They're both one and done roles that require no further actions from you guys because you would have none. So easy peasy claims to make. If Ace was vig/sooper spy or whatever he wants to call it he would have claimed his shot moments before the day post went up. Anything after that is suspect. You popping up with a vet claim right after his sooper spy claim is just as bogus. You two are scum. | ||
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On May 02 2011 23:15 Ace wrote: soooooo what are we doing today? Hopefully lynching you. | ||
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On May 03 2011 01:36 sandroba wrote: I've read my post yesterday and I realise I was very out of line and I apologize. I didn't mean you are stupid, but maybe you were not so experienced playing on the mafia side. I've read some of your previous games and your meta is definitively different form when you were town. Also, the fact that you were pushing me hard to reveal info helpful to the cell leader makes sense if you are scum. Ex-Marine You came back from the war, only to find your hometown overrun by terrorists! You have found that it is difficult to adapt to civilian life, however your experiences in the war make you hard to kill. It takes 2 successful hits to take you out. You will be notified when you lose your "extra life". The only reason I can think of me being shot last night was to narrow down the scum list previously posted by bum. Assuming jackal is scum that would link you and ace directly to him if he got lynched today. Apology accepted. Now please explain to me how I'm different? I was pushing because I hate when people post "I know something but I'm not sharing". | ||
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On May 03 2011 03:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote: This isn't a good reason to call him scum though. Go read XXXVIII, where he was town. I was a third party that game, so I didn't call him out on it, but if I remember correctly, he didn't tunnel at all. I actually had him pegged as mafia, because of the weird change in meta. He didn't even yell at people until the Protact thing happened. Read through Insane 2, and then XXXVIII. He was town in both, and there is a huge shift in how he acted between them. This is why this change in behaviour isn't incredible to me. He has other behaviour that can look scummy, but lynching on the meta that he isn't being aggressive isn't a very good reason. I said in that game and this one that I am attempting to shed my bad habits. I also said it isn't fucking worth it. And don't go by insane. I was intentionally trying to get two people killed in the item game to win the item game. I didn't particularly care what their alignment was, I just wanted them dead. | ||
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On May 03 2011 03:15 sandroba wrote: Yes, I realise that. My reasoning is actually a sum of factors. In that quote I was only responding to his question. 1) Change of meta. 2) Bum's check which makes him at least 50% to be mafia as imprevious pointed out. 3) The conjuction of the messages intercepted by ace and the fact that jackal pushed me to reveal how to make all mafia's players know in one message. 4) Switching his vote to bum after saying he believed him to be the DT. No change. I'm reverting to the tunneling aggressive asshole. You're fucking scum. Bums check is not a 50/50 proposition. It's 75% town 25% scum. Only scum use scummy numbers Those messages are bullshit and you know it scummy. I switched because I wasn't getting lynched due to bums incompetence. Not my problem scummy. | ||
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On May 03 2011 03:41 Impervious wrote: I would have been up for a switch to darmousseh, however, he's been replaced. I'm waiting to see how active BB is going to be before I do anything like that. I still think Jackal is our best bet at the moment. Especially with how he's been acting recently. How do you want me to act? I'm too aggressive. I'm not aggressive enough. You guys really buying Ace's 2 action role? If you are either Wiggles or you are scum. I haven't seen anybody pointing fingers at you. So you're either buying what Ace is selling or you're not. Which is it? | ||
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On May 03 2011 06:07 sandroba wrote: I'm pretty convinced tnkted is scum. Besides from the inconsistencies on him role pm, he goes ahead and vote for wiggles based on the part of the message intercepted by ace. He does no analysis and even say he could be wrong and it might be imprevious aswel. It seems to me he's trying to derail jackal's lynch. Maybe you succeded because I'm voting for you. At the risk of putting the vote back on me, if tnkted is scum and Ace is what he claims to be that would make Impervious scum wouldn't it? To be honest with you I find both of their claims outrageously unbelievable. However it would appear that only 1 could be telling the truth. Although I think they're both lying. If Ace is scum tnkted is basically going on a 50/50 shot on Wiggles with no analysis to support his decision. If tnkted is scum he's voting for the one he knows is town and Ace will most likely get shot tonight. Since I seem incapable of getting you guys to realize that a judge/jury/executioner role is almost entirely made up smoke and mirrors bs I have no problem with voting for tnkted. This forces me to assume for the moment that one of them is telling the truth and the way tnkted just voted with no explanation makes Ace's wild ass claim appear to be slightly less wild ass than tnkted's. Plus throw in the lurk factor. The only game I've played with tnkted was Insane 2 and there were times I swear he was just posting to get his name on every page. ##unvote: Ace ##Vote: tnkted | ||
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On May 03 2011 06:41 sandroba wrote: Wow, I didn't realize that, it's clever indeed, but I fail to see how that confirms him as townie. He has been planing to role claim since the begining of the game and it makes sense for him to have written it then. Also how do you explain the "you" instead of "your" and the colored title in his "copy-paste"? I'm fine with jackal lynch aswel, because I think they are both scum, but I'm not as interested in confirming myself as town as I am in finding scum. And sure, ace posting his pm would be nice. He learned the ''create a role in advance" trick from Kav in Insane 2. Kav mind raped me with it and town lost due in large part to my gullibility. I'm town. I'm not buying bullshit claims anymore. | ||
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A beautiful role and wtf did you claim it for. | ||
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If Ace really had a night shot why am I still alive? Because I'm a great lynch target and a constant distraction to town. Thank you Bum. | ||
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The only thing you'll learn from me is I'm green. And Bum got a 25% rng'd DT return. That's it man. | ||
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On May 04 2011 06:29 Impervious wrote: Jackal, maybe I'm stubborn, but you're not convincing me at all. So, out of the players that are left: Neither Ace nor sandroba will die tonight. Everyone knows their fates are intertwined. darmousseh/BrownBear seemed scummy due to inactivity and bandwagoning, but there is nothing conclusive. The mafia probably won't kill him tonight. Same goes for Eiii. Jackal has been a good distraction if he's town, or has had a lot of help staying alive as mafia. He won't die tonight. Wiggles and I have that message about us. I'm not sure what it means, but it applies to one of us. If we get caught up on it, it'll likely cause us problems. The mafia know this, and would probably try to keep us alive, to push Ace's message for a lynch on one of us tomorrow. Although, this is still pretty weak. Which leaves us with VarpuliS. The most pro-town, and the least under suspicion right now. If he doesn't die tonight, I'd be surprised. Why? Because his death leaves us with no information. That is, unless he is actually a member of the Mafia. However, at the same time, him being left alive won't actually tell us much about who the mafia is, because they could kill someone else to try to make VarpuliS look suspicious. So, out of the obvious people who won't be around tomorrow, it seems like it could be me, Wiggles, or VarpuliS. Potentially BrownBear and Eiii, but I find this to be less likely. Why? Because we're the ones who's give away the least information as to who is actually mafia, or will be more difficult to convince the town to lynch in a lylo situation. This post is pure scum bullshit. I'm not even worried about how stubborn you are. Keep pushing me. The only way you can state that Ace won't die tonight is if you're scum and you know Ace is scum That also makes sandroba scum. If you think for a second that scum would let a real DT live through the night you're insane. But no. It's "Neither Ace nor sandroba will die tonight" Your words not mine. It's Sandroba,Ace and you the Canadian. I haven't been a distraction to town. The only time I distract town is when you call me scum. That's not me distracting town bucko that's you. You're already setting up all of your wifom for who dies tonight. You scummy guys might as well kill me cause I just put on my tunneling hat. You are the scummy Canadian. | ||
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Jackal58
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On May 04 2011 08:14 Impervious wrote: That's exactly why he won't die tonight. It'll basically confirm sandroba as town, making it much more likely that a mafia member will be targetted for a lynch tomorrow. Think it through, man. Oh, wait, you don't need to. This type of response is exactly what I expected from a red. Where did Ace admit to being a real DT? He's not. He claimed that he can intercept messages. There is a fucking massive difference there. The DT check was merely icing on the cake. Now I'm 100% convinced you're scum. Keep it going scummy. Your logic processor broke. Now you're playing the same semantics game Ace was. He intercepts messages. Same fucking thing. Except he doesn't. It's a bs role. Thanks for helping me choose between the Canadians. | ||
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On May 04 2011 10:03 Impervious wrote: Jackal, first you're calling out Ace and sandroba, now, if you're trying to connect me to Ace's message, it means that you're confirming him as town..... I can't believe how dumb you are if you think that kind of inconsistency is going to convince anyone. In fact, I'm starting to think that Ace really is the DT. And you really are the GF. The message "Watch the Canadian" could simply mean that your scumbuddy should watch out for me, since I'm the one who's consistently going against you. It actually fits pretty nicely. I never said I was smart. Dammit. | ||
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Jackal58
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Ace- If your sooper dooper spy role claim is real do you get parts of messages all the time or is it just sometimes? If it's all the time I'd say BB is cell leader. He's the one that's not been here. That said though I find it next to impossible to believe you're still alive. | ||
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On May 05 2011 07:48 Eiii wrote: Jackal is getting a lot of heat, but I'm pretty convinced he's town-- his play seems similar/identical to how he played in insane 2. Impervious/Ace are the two active players I think are most suspicious-- I've said why I think ace could be red before, and now looking back on things impervious has moved from thinking ace was red day 1 to completely believing his claim to saying that they 'need to work together'. Ace being kind of sketchy and impervious doing a 180 recently on him smells a lot to me like a CL/sleeper relationship. obviously bb is suspicious because he's still lurking and not doing anything and that sucks You're lurking too. Thanks for your support but I've been saying since this game started the scum are lurkers. | ||
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On May 05 2011 15:48 BrownBear wrote: Waiting on iGrok to confirm/deny the possibility of a roleclaim the way tnkted did it. How long is it taking you to write that thing? Or are you going back through your posts/darmousseh's posts trying to find something you can use as a breadcrumb? | ||
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On May 06 2011 13:15 Ace wrote: lololololol. Poor Jackal I was so sad v_v But hey Jackal tried to shoot me twice so dont feel bad ^_^ You prick. I played this whole thing in the dark. I voted you the second time cause I was damn near positive you were the cell leader. It was a very gentle "fuck you". I mean really. What was the point of keeping me in the dark? First time I ever play scum and I ended up trying to play it like an SK. I was clueless. | ||
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On May 06 2011 13:44 bumatlarge wrote: I think I saved my additional sandroba analysis, I'll try to find it. I'm really angry at zorkmid, but I'm glad he didn't do more harm then he could have. He's going to have to come up with a helluva good reason if he ever wants to play here again, at least in the same game as me. I raged. I was trying my damnedest to get off of your hook and he comes in and posts that shit. Why didn't you guys ever lynch me? | ||
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Jackal58
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Must be my stellar good looks. | ||
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On May 06 2011 14:15 sandroba wrote: I was going for the extremelly pro-town aproach, so later I could push for people that made mistakes. That was the case for zorkmid (bumatlarge) and tnkted. I was really afraid of pointing out the discrepancies on tnkted's role claim, because I figure you guys would realize I looked very hard at it before making my own. I had to claim vet pretty quickly, else ace's claim wouldn't hold. I was planing to bus jackal the whole time, but every time some townie made a out-of-the-blue role claim, so I could switch to him at the last minute. GG town. Props to ace for his amazing play. When you said Ace's supposed message intercepts made it appear that the CL was an idiot I almost said fuck it and agreed with you. I almost posted my 2 messages in the thread and said "Ya you're right" and gave up right there. Do you know how much time I spent looking for who ever said "I hope you die" to me in all the games I've played here? When I got the PM from iGrok the message was simply titled Sleeper Cell. I opened it and read I hope you die I PMed him back asking him wtf I did. Ya I was confused. | ||
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On May 06 2011 14:31 sandroba wrote: Sorry jackal, I thought you knew I was mafia and would forgive me for calling you an idiot, because I knew you were mafia too. That was all a farse. I wanted to distance from you as much as possible, so we would have a chance in late game no matter what. I had no idea. Ace turned my head into mush. I'm just disappointed nobody believed my Ace's role is bullshit claim. I think I had Impervious looking at it for a bit. But in the end everybody chose to believe Ace's unbelievable claim. I knew it was a bullshit claim and I was scum. | ||
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On May 06 2011 14:56 sandroba wrote: I also never knew GGQ wa mafia, He was behaving so weird that i figured him to be blue and shot him on night 2. I guess it turned out okay. My sohots were: 1 zorkmid - after his outburst I was pretty convinced he was DT 2 GGQ -I thought he was 100% blue. LoL this suprised the hell out of me. 3 Varpulis - I had the exact same thought process of impervious. I was hoping to be able to push Imprevious based on his night post, but then he hugged ace and it was all alright. My votes went night 1 - Ace. He's just scary good. Night 2 - GGQ He was starting to FoS me pretty good. Night 3 - Ace. By that time I was pretty sure he was the CL and it was just a big FU right back at him. | ||
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On May 07 2011 00:37 Impervious wrote: Yea, actually, as soon as Ace claimed I realized it was a possibility. At the same time, it made too much sense. -_- I had the advantage of knowing I voted to kill GGQ (sorry dude) and when he came up dead I knew it wasn't a coincidence. That's when I began to realize I was being left in the dark on purpose. | ||
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On May 08 2011 05:03 Impervious wrote: The death of GGQ was what really helped sell your role though. It relied on sandroba claiming vet (or at least someone who appeared to be town friendly, but who was actually the 3rd mafia). Your role had a bunch of holes in it, and sandroba's claim was essentially ripped off of another mafia game (I had a writeup and name of the role ready, that was related to the game at hand), and without the actual death of GGQ, I wouldn't have bought it. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. If I were town I would have been blowing a nut at you guys believing Ace's claim. To the point of getting lynched. A judge/jury/executioner role does not exist. And you guys bought it even though I called bs multiple times. That's probably why you bought it. | ||
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On May 08 2011 15:31 Ver wrote: Yeah this should definitely be a reference for how to play as mafia. Very impressive job. A complete how too and how not too guide. | ||
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