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On April 01 2011 16:08 flamewheel wrote: -__- I can't believe the site won't let me report you, accursed spammer. | ||
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On April 07 2011 01:18 tnkted wrote: Oh boy! I'm so excited! Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday? | ||
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On April 05 2011 14:05 BrownBear wrote: 3 slots still open. Wow, this filled up actually faster than I expected. This game will not start before Friday. This is to give Insane time to end (or at least get close to ending), and me time to finish some things. At the rate we're going, should be full then, so we will be sending out role PMs Friday, time and signups permitting! I think the classic TL Mafia ##### threads are highly desired by newcomers to the TL Mafia scene. I've had access to the forum for a while now, but I've silently proclaimed "What are all these things? We're supposed to do what now? Oh hell no!" to the special games until I can get my feet wet on a normal game. Granting newbies a chance to drill the basics before adding on the bells and whistles is a big draw, I'd say. Plus LSB looked intimidating. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 Comes up 'child pornographer', might be broken. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How is that a slip? There is no framer. Well, you might expect a townie to suggest not wasting a DT on them. Scum could be more prone to bluffing in order to gain trust and convince the town to DT someone else, so they feel like not DTing Kav is their own idea instead of his. So I can see why he says "scum slip", even if it's just a night 0 joke. | ||
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On April 10 2011 12:06 GMarshal wrote: My campaign has prettier pictures than yours! Also if you are elected and I'm stuck as a bg again I'll have an aneurysm! That said, gentlemen don't vote for themselves and I'd be happy to have you as a pardoner with me ##Vote Kavdragon I'm not trying to be a douche of a first timer, but I know this rule varies from game to game and I don't want people getting in trouble for rule breaks: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread, which will be created when this game starts. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. That said, there's no voting thread up yet that I can see. The more analysis on these wannabe mayors from you old-timers the better, cause as a newb I'm not sure who I should be voting for and there is a LOT of material I'm shuffling through in old threads, maybe too much. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:29 GMarshal wrote: urashimakt, voting is done in a separate thread, but its tradition that we also vote in here to make it evident we are voitng, this way we avoid people ninja votingn and no one noticing till the lynch has gone through, sure votes here aren't counted, but they *Are* made evident to the rest of the players. Make sense? I saw that was the rule in XXXVIII, but it was specifically mentioned as being an unusual situation. In the rules here, it says to only place votes in the separate thread. I'm just looking out, BrownBear's the only one I'm going to trust to say otherwise. O_O | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:36 Eiii wrote: Also once his two assassin buddies die off, he gets removed from the game-- and we lose our nice 3-vote mayor (or pardoner). Eventually losing a pardoner in exchange for 2 hits and a rolecheck doesn't seem like a bad thing, if we could shoot him into a number 2 victory. There's a lot of mafia hits rolling around at night this game, it'd be nice to have some for town. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:51 chaoser wrote: The problem with this is that we DON'T know if there are medics or not. Hosts can pull a lawl give em all vets only thing again. And if there are medics, I'd rather have them free to protect dynamically against predicted hits. I think having a black pardoner under green thumb is a powerful position no matter how you look at it. Unless anyone can find out why we shouldn't, ##Vote Protactinium | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:59 Lanaia wrote: Exactly this. Sorry, I'll be posting more tomorrow, the boyfriend and I are watching a movie. I will be voting for GMarshal, for the record. If the assassin is mafia, why does he need protection exactly? Is it just from vigs? The assassin's third party, they play a different game than Town vs Mafia that intersects perpendicularly in that some of their kills (or our kills) will affect one or the other. They don't have to support the mafia. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: both those points are dumb you're mafia i'm like 80% sure How exactly are the assassins going to prey upon our bodyguards effectively? They don't have contact with the Mafia, their own tools deprecate when used on non-assassin targets, and any open action they make to try to gain some sort of edge leaves them vulnerable to Protactinium who would be invulnerable and able to kill them. The point about him being able to sell bodyguards out is a little easier to see. I still think the benefits outweigh any possible negative, even if he were to try to double agent his way to victory. I agree with DrH on this early call. I think you're trying to guide us into a defensive position, which with 4 KP a night out there I don't want to be caught up in. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:23 GMarshal wrote: It dosn't matter how "effective" they are at hitting BGs it matters that they are going to be throwing more KP out there that are likely to hit town. While I agree that my greatest worry is not pissing off the other assassins at the moment, but rather losing a powerful town role in exchange for a dt check, (which is nice) and two kills (which have as much potential to hit town as scum, especially since our "friendly" assassin is going to probably go after whichever suggestions he finds most likely to be other assassins) Its not worth giving a powerful pro town role to someone who does not have our best interests at heart. I say NO to giving a pro-town role to a non-town person I don't think the other assassins (if they're wise) are going to be throwing KP at town. It just wouldn't be an effective way to achieve their win condition unless they knew who the bodyguards are, which they aren't going to. As far as giving a powerful green role to a black, I don't agree. He has no reason to pardon anyone that we wouldn't, as far as I can tell. He does, however, bring abilities to the table that I think are more powerful than the pardon. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:34 GMarshal wrote: Let me be utterly honest here if I were an assassin and another assassin got elected I would probably say "fuck this" and start gunning for townies out of frustration. Or worse, trying to help the mafia snipe the bgs so I could have a shot at my target. One way an assassin could do this is by detecting a BG with his DT ability and then giving out that information. And yes he has reasons to pardon someone who we would not, lets say the second place person in a vote is someone who he thinks is an assassin he'll happily pardon the first place to get the other person hanged, and potentially win. Also we have no way to make him use his abilities for us, lets say he uses his KP on whoever the fuck he wants, what are we going to do waste a lynch on him and give the mafia another free round of kills? No, more likely than not we'll say "damn you, shoot who we want" and let him live, because we cannot afford to waste a lynch. or if we do lynch him we helped the scum team, congratulations a true lose/lose situation This is a BAD IDEA, we want townies in power, not assassins who are out only for themselves. While I still think that any assassin playing to win (which should be all of them) going around on a green killing spree is a ridiculous assumption, I agree with everything else and I change my mind. You should say the good stuff first all the time, mate. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:03 Protactinium wrote: Fortress made of text. You've made a fatal miscalculation: your smurfs can be reported. I've double backed, I'm re-endorsing Proctatinium for Pardoner. Still against a black as mayor in case he has to peace out to avoid losing at any point in the game (probably near the end). | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:02 Protactinium wrote: Wait, not related to the game, but are you saying you're going to report me for smurfing? Uh... I'm a staff member. I have several known smurfs running around. This is just for Mafia? Nope, it was just a joke from complaining about your face spam before the game started. Had no actual intention to report a well-known member for doing something that's not against any rules anywhere. Sorry, I suppose it was a little far out there. On April 10 2011 17:07 chaoser wrote: I think it's been covered but assassins acting desperate won't help them win. They have incentive to kill bodyguards yes, but shooting indiscriminately into town isn't going to net them bodyguard kills. It's a 40 man game. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to kill bodyguards which they don't know who is? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know how they are. This. Assassins that are playing to win are not going to be a threat. Protactinium can't ally with with the Mafia if he can't talk to them, and by BrownBear's ruling so far he can't do that via PM. Being an assassin is still going to be a waiting game, they'll just have a target they can't hit until very late into the game. The ability to pardon grants him no power to reach his own win condition. It's true that we can't force him to hold to his word about using his 2 hammers and 1 rolecheck in our favor, but there's very little reason for him not to. He only needs 1 hammer to win his game. More importantly, if he's ingratiated to play as town while he sits around for days doing nothing then we gain the analysis of a veteran. I think it's worth it. On April 10 2011 17:10 kitaman27 wrote: The game is just hours in and he is already threatening town. Well, seeing as Mafia can only PM Mafia and no one else is allowed to PM, I'd be super impressed if he managed to somehow backstab us by allying with the Mafia. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:09 kevconsim wrote: I agree with this. When protract doesnt get elected if he dies night 1 there is no real harm to us. Its a side game. It would be nice to have the extra kp's but is it worth it if a mafia gets into mayor or pardoner? NO Can you lynch the mayor with out killing the bodyguards? Mayor You are not immune to lynching. That goes for Pardoner, too, which I think is where Protact should get elected to. If he doesn't or can't hit/rolecheck who we want, we could assume he's scum. Best case scenario we lynch a godfather, worst case we lynch an assassin. I'm still pretty certain that's he's black, though. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:31 Coagulation wrote: what would be the incentive for an assassin to pardon ANYONE.. he would never do it. every flip is viable to him.every flip gives him a chance of killing assassin. why would he stop a flip you guys are fucking insane. Can you direct me to a point in a game where a pardon was vital and game-changing? As far as I understand it, people are lynched because they're voted for. If you don't think someone should be lynched, don't vote for them. I'm wary of anyone ever using a pardon, so if we get someone who will never use it then I'm for that until someone can show me why it's not a plus. I'd rather not have a single player with the ability to say "You know what? No." If he feels a lynch is wrong, he should convince enough people of the same thing. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:59 chaoser wrote: There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do. Are you sure assassins can't be roleblocked? I went back and double checked that and I can't confirm it. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:01 Pandain wrote: actually you know what. IT would still work. I just don't run. I'm not dt After reading through Pandain's flight of fancy, I just wanted to give my two cents. Assuming Pandain is either green or scum, which I'm going to because anything else is going to break my brain/heart/misc vital organs, I still believe protecting Protact with the Pardoner position only is a good idea. Arguing about assassin business is not. Just forget he's an assassin imo, which is why I don't endorse him for Mayor. That would make it impossible to forget he's black. I have no idea about who should be mayor. I want someone who's calm, collected, and proven a good analyst. Someone people can get behind and argue with without creating a mess for scum to hide behind. The more vets post about each mayoral candidate and their thoughts, the better reads we newbies can get on the whole thing. Sorry if any of my points are disagreeable, I am admittedly new at this. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:26 kitaman27 wrote: Just don't lurk and you should be fine ^_^ Thoughts on the mayor race? Just to keep it posted, it's currently GMarshal: 4 Protact: 3 DrH: 1 tnkted: 1 kitaman27: 1 | ||
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Even though my gut reaction says that he should and probably will be mayor, I'm so seriously wary of it backfiring. Is there any merit to handpicking someone who hasn't proclaimed their candidacy, but has received pro-town reads from most people? | ||
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So if you're not scum and you're currently voting for GM, I think it's probably a good idea to move that vote elsewhere (probably DrH). Try not to scatter too much, cause that could leave Pardoner open to sniping. I still strongly support Protactinium as Pardoner and will not personally be shifting my vote. Sorry, redFF. | ||
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So we're coming down on 3.5 hours until the voting booths close, and while I'm not certain on who to point a finger at or suggest to lynch, I am very sure that we have a potential danger in the election. Currently, the stats look like this: DoctorHelvetica: 13 DoctorHelvetica Mr. Wiggles TranceStorm redFF aidnai The_Roist Mig darmousseh tnkted Rean kevconism jaminz Conversion Gmarshal: 11 Lanaia* Robellicose Coagulation OriginalName AirbladeOrange M0nsterChef Kenpachi Serejai Barundar Lemonwalrus Kavdragon Protactinium: 5 chaoser urashimakt GGQ MetalFace Jackal58 Yet to vote: Barundar, Protactinium, Latrommi, Tackster Have their votes on an a lost cause: ilovejohn, GMarshal, Eiii, DropBear, kitaman27, Pandain, DarthThienAn, Milkyst *Lanaia has requested to be replaced and is not likely to be changing her(/his?) vote anytime soon Presumably the big movement to support DrH spawned out of a suspicion of GMarshal's strong snap support that couldn't be ignored. If this still holds true, anyone still voting for GM who is either not absolutely sure he's pro-town and the best choice for mayor or (and I'm not accusing anyone specifically, because I've got no firm reads) they're mafia supporting him for whatever reason should change your vote A.S.A.P. Right now we have a pretty even split open to sniping and, if the suspicion many have about GMarshal's support is actually true, bodyguard information could still fall into mafia hands even if mafia don't make an outright grab for the mayorship. At this point I think the most likely outcomes are, in order: { (DrH, GM), (GM, DrH), (DrH, Prot) } So, if you're town and still voting for GM, I want you to be absolutely sure that you believe that voting for him and granting him access to bodyguard info or allowing the vote to be sniped so that he is mayor is the best result for town. If it's not, I urge you to switch from GM to Prot, who I believe to be black despite some fleeting suspicions. | ||
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Sorry for overcomplicating it. | ||
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On April 12 2011 10:37 GMarshal wrote: Right, people listen to the wisdom of this man who want to put an assassin in office. Great wisdom and Joy await us for electing a *known* non-town into a protected role. Perhaps you would like to invite the mafia in as well? That way we ensure a fair and even split, they might even promise to use their KP in the service of the town! Wouldn't that be *lovely*? /end sarcasm I wouldn't expect a positive reaction to saying not to vote for you whether you were red or green, but I do know that I'd rather have a black as pardoner than even the slightest chance of a red as pardoner. | ||
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##Unvote Protactinium ##Vote DoctorHelvetica | ||
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If we keep having one or two persons say "Dr. H is the lesser of two evils, I'm switching to him" and then one or two persons saying "Dr. H seems scummy, I'm voting GM", all we do is create a balanced platform that gives two shots for red to score a mayor GF, if either one turns out to be red. It may be too late to do anything about it now, but the more that's out in the open now the more we'll have to work with Day 2. | ||
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On April 12 2011 12:41 GMarshal wrote: BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it It's apparently a pointless argument. He has less to vote and is pretty much out of time, so he's probably going to be modkilled, not to mention he is way down in the poll. If you're voting for him and want to vote for either GM or DrH instead of nobody, I'd hurry up and switch. | ||
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BrownBear's last update in the voting thread indicates there's 70 minutes remaining til voting closes. | ||
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On April 12 2011 13:03 Coagulation wrote: CAUSE HES NOT ASSASSIN HES MAFIA. IT WAS A FAKE CLAIM TO GAIN CRED ITS SO SAD. LOOK AT THIS SHIT 100% Wishy Washy Last minute scum bandwagon switch. Hes gonna pretend to fucking vote DOCH LOL And switches at last second. BUT HE SWITCHED TOO SOON THIS IS A LAST SECOND BANDWAGON TO GET MAFIA MAYOR. It's fine if you accuse me, but please calm down. I moved my vote from Prot because it was a couple hours before showtime and he was probably going to get modkilled. Now that he's here, I still support him for pardoner. I don't have anything else to tell you beyond that. | ||
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On April 12 2011 13:30 BrownBear wrote: Can we cut the allcaps posts please? This is completely out of character, but since I'm shortly going to be seeing my first mafia election and complete my first mafia day 1, I just wanted to say thanks for hosting and thanks to the players regardless of affiliation. It's very neat. I'm gonna go make some macaroni for this. | ||
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I'm not going to be placing my vote on a lynch target until some of the veterans post their take on the situation over the next day, but I felt like posting why I'm most suspicious GMarshal now that we're out of the night. + Show Spoiler [Asked for specific night actions] + Also Blue list coming Medics Jackal- I want him lategame Chaoser- he is thinking, even if he is wrong about me, I want a wolf not a sheep Bum- same as chaoser tnkted- looked pro-town to me kitaman27- he argued against the assassin and seemed generaly helpful to the town, protect the man DTs bum- as much as I like him he's come in throwing alot of accusations, I'd like for someone to know his alignment ON- we could just lynch him, but if he isn't scum I dont want to waste a lynch redFF- Kav suspected him, he needs a check Barundar- Dr.H top suspect, a check is called for Conversion- duh Lattomi- last minute vote snipe and lurker, going to consider lynching as well Trackers jaminz Milkyst MetalFace M0nsterChef AirbladeOrange Mig As far as I can tell, asking for specific night actions was/is detrimental to town. It openly tells red who they should avoid hitting or visiting, just in time for them to do some night actions. It is worth noting, though, that he suggested using a medic on tnkted and tnkted still died. I'm still not convinced that's a point of absolute redemption. Jackal58 posted a protect/watch list on page 81, but it was pretty generic and just listed veterans as what appeared to be a suggestion. Also worth noting for people better at analysis. On April 13 2011 03:19 GMarshal wrote: So I guess you all decided to throw away the extra 24 hours we have? I'd like to see some opinions on things, some accusations, something! Who do people think are the best DT targets, who do they think medics should protect? Does anyone find my list entirely disagreeable? GMarshal seemed very favorable to the idea of continuing the open town discussion on "who should mafia not bother hitting tonight?" He stated his stance on this before the game started, but some time after role PMs had been sent out. GM's quote bolded as follows: + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2011 10:20 chaoser wrote: I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly. These are actions I considered pretty suspicious. I'll be reading what the better players have to say about the night occurrences later on today before I place my own vote. | ||
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On April 13 2011 16:36 Protactinium wrote: No, I'm still afraid. Remember that the assassins are just as likely to be confused about my alignment than I am. So far, it seems like I've been playing a pretty convincing assassin. Its very possible that the assassins could still think I'm an assassin, and that I was merely lying to the town about the number of assassins. The guess on 3 assassins was intended to throw a wrench in other assassins' analysis, but it is nowhere near foolproof. The chances were better that I would get away with not drawing their attention if I said three rather than four, but there's still the possibility that there are actually 3 assassins, or that the assassins think I just lied.. I'm not actually safe from Assassin shots until it's confirmed to everybody that I'm actually DT. It's pretty obvious that at least one assassin will find it worthwhile to throw a hammer at him after he claimed black day 1. On April 13 2011 16:38 Coagulation wrote: YOUR NOT A DT WHAT THE FUCK YOU KNOW YOU MADE ALL THIS SHIT UP On April 12 2011 13:30 BrownBear wrote: Can we cut the allcaps posts please? Freaking out isn't a help to any case. | ||
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On April 13 2011 16:56 chaoser wrote: So all of you are saying this is all a ploy for mafia to buy ONE EXTRA NIGHT. Basically you're saying this comes down to mafia sacrificing a mafia member, FLAMEWHEEL BTW, early in the game to lynch a townie, have him flip town, and then have us lynch flamewheel (who would have been lying and now obviously mafia) all so we waste a lynch? Come on now...That's some bullshit logic and you know. If Flamewheel was actually mafia there'd be no reason to pull this shit since he could have just posted normally and raped us two ways to friday. I doubt lynching Protactinium is even going to be required. Barring medic intervention, he's probably going to get hit by black tonight whether he's red, green, or black. Probably. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. I don't have anything against what you've said except that you should care if he's assassin, since assassin can't use their DT check night 1. Just a thought. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:06 Barundar wrote: Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. That's a pretty important point. Unless there's a situation where Prot miraculously lives through night 2, we're going to know exactly what he was up to. If we have another target that's just as likely to be mafia, we could lynch them and either hope we have another vigilante for Coag or lynch him day 3. But doing that would probably mean we 100% lose Prot, if there's even a remote chance he really is DT. | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good now I know you're full of shit. Because I'm the veteran. And unless this is a no medic tons of veterans set-up, there is almost NEVER more than one veteran. Veteran is also the EASIEST and SAFEST fake roleclaim for mafia. bye coagulation  Well I think we have to lynch Coag now. If he blue/green, DrH and Prot have both put themselves on the chopping block. This is like the best town day ever, no? | ||
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On April 13 2011 17:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There is the remote possibility that in this set-up there are no medics and instead there are many veterans. but really if me and protact and scum why would we go through SO MUCH effort to kill COAGULATION ITS COAGULATION All that name means to me as a newbie, honestly, is allcaps. | ||
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On April 13 2011 18:01 Coagulation wrote: I want you to feel that Flamewheel. FEEL IT. THINK IT LONG AND HARD. You damn well know you took a GAMBLE. And you lost buddy. Its a shame you had to take me down with you. but you lost. I look forward to his next claim, if that turns out to be the case. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From BrownBear: Yes, there is a hidden role not mentioned in the OP. Don't tell anyone, but: The Prismatist - You are the Prismatist. Once and only once per day/night cycle, you may make a role claim. If you manage to claim a red, black, green, and blue role before being hit or lynched, you win. You will be removed from the main game. Goodnight. | ||
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On April 13 2011 18:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Protact would choose his #1 black target to make a scum analysis on. I have a hard time believing he thought Chaoser was assassin over kitaman27. If he's black and wrong, we don't lynch him. We certainly don't protect him. He simply dies night 2 and we take the loss in stride and move on. Uh please confirm that this is a joke It is, sorry. I thought the "truthsies" thing would make it clear. | ||
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On April 14 2011 02:55 kevconsim wrote: Why would you want him dead if you are town? Oh, the hilarity. He died as another character and has now been put back as a replacement for someone who left. There's just a bit of confusion on chaoser's part, I think he missed BrownBear's message. | ||
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On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. This bit was particularly interesting. The only reason I can see for being openly rude to the mafia team is in trying to endear yourself to the town. A townie could have reason to do this, sure, but I find it would probably come more naturally to someone who felt obligated. It's also interesting because, as night fell, you came out with a pretty specific list on who you wanted blues to go to work on. When no one really responded to it, you attempted to prompt responses to see whether other people were in agreement. I felt that was really anti-town because it would help mafia know who to avoid wasting KP on or getting caught killing/drugging, and who to hit: the "less important" individuals. I think it might be worth noting. | ||
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So you can confirm whether he's a DT and dangerous to you or that he's an assassin and you can ignore him? I'm having a hard time understanding any other reason why you'd want that answer. | ||
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On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? The whole case that's been made, starting last night with DrH's evaluation, is that whether Prot is black or blue, he is banking on Coag being red. So whether Flamewheel has detected him as red or analyzed him as red, people are trusting in his need for Coagulation to be red. I don't see how this mindblowing tidbit changes anything. I am really starting to think that you are undoubtedly desperate. This info is useful to mafia because it would give them a better idea of whether he's black or blue, just to be sure. It proves absolutely nothing to town. On April 14 2011 11:03 GMarshal wrote: too late liar, I already nailed you to the wall. There's no squirming out of this one. Your case that he didn't want to tell you whether he was goon or roleblocker is not nearly as convincing as you think it is. The only reason I think we should consider not lynching Coag today is to lynch you instead and see what happens to Coag/FW during the night. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:10 GMarshal wrote: you go on the invisible people list too, seriously, how the hell do you fail to see the relevance of this? flamewheel dosn't even know how the DTs work! Which means he is LYING! It means he didn't tell you. All he has to do is lie about it and there's no way town would know whether he's telling the truth or not. You made a rash ultimatum within a few minutes and, when he decided to ignore your demands, you snapped and played a pretty brash card. If you actually do turn out to be town I'm a little disappointed that a veteran would make mistakes like this. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No scum would do this to save coagulation of all people. My vote is off Coagulation. Even if GMarshal is telling the truth, I fail to see how it makes it any less likely for Coagulation to be red based on your original argument. Care share your rethink? His whole argument is "you're telling us he's mafia, your PM would say goon or roleblocker". It's public knowledge that DTs get rolechecks, it's right there in the OP. Prot has 0 incentive to reveal anything other than Coag's redness, even if he were DT, since the role would only confirm for mafia that he is or isn't likely to be DT. The original argument for lynching Coag based on Prot's testimoney didn't even hinge on hoping Prot is blue. It hinges on Prot being right, because his TLMafia-life depends on it and he's a powerful analyst. GM has told us he hasn't checked Coag himself. So, what has changed? What did you realize? On April 14 2011 11:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch: and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) So...now what we're banking on now is GM being right that Coag's not red, over Prot's analysis. But GM himself has admitted he's not arguing that Coag's not red, he's only arguing that Prot's definitely not DT. I still don't see how that changes anything regarding the Coag lynch argument. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:48 GMarshal wrote: I did not say that coag is not red, I did say that prot's claim is bs. Huge difference. I consider this topic settled ura. I will not lynch anyone based on the words of a confirmed liar, no matter how silky they may be. I said you said you didn't say. I'm agreeing on that, I'm just saying that it's beside the point initially raised in favor of lynching Coag. | ||
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On April 14 2011 11:56 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Let me summarize: -I think you're an assassin desperate to find a way to stay alive. -Whether I'm right or wrong, there's a huge chance you're getting shot multiple times tonight, so there's no need to waste a medic on you. If we want to increase your chances of living, a watcher should be sufficient to scare people away. -I think a vig shot is sufficient for Coag, if he dies, so what, if he lives, he's town. -Instead of holding hands and singing songs waiting to lynch Coag, we should still be looking at other players. Why don't you want to do that? Should we just sit around for the next 48 hours? -If we find other scummy players, lynch them, shoot coag, or vice versa, depending on circumstances. -If we don't find anyone scummy enough to lynch, we just lynch Coag. Easy. Simple. Stop being so inflammatory. (HAHA PUN) This makes the most sense to me. Assuming we still have a vigi alive, Coag either loses one of his lives and is confirmed town or dies a mafia death*. Prot probably should be allowed to die, because it was very unlikely at the start he was blue and it just looks more grim now. *Or we have 10 vigis and he gets double tapped, or mafia double tap him just because they know he won't be protected. Not sure how likely the second one is. | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:16 GMarshal wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 12:14 Protactinium wrote: Incorrect. Coagulation is a key player for the mafia. It's not that he's a good player, it's that mafia have already committed to saving him. Look back at the thread. Ever since my Coagulation accusation, mafia have been trying to subtly redirect the lynch. Notice how people are "not convinced" that Coagulation is mafia, try to suggest that we let me die tonight to "prove" that Coagulation is innocent, and try to suggest other targets. Yet notice the divergence in the voting thread. The voting is overwhelmingly in favor of lynching Coagulation, yet the debate in the thread diverges sharply. This is not an accident. Notice how nobody was doing any real analysis before I popped up and accused Coagulation. Mafia felt no need to fear when they thought I was as good as dead. But when I post a strong analysis, they reacted. They reacted not by refuting my points, but by flooding the thread with alternative accusations trying to derail the lynch. Why? They don't know who to push. They know the Coagulation analysis is a strong one, so they need to offer a target that town will readily buy. They're trying to test the waters and see what lynch works. Obviously, Coagulation is Mafia. If he were anything but, Mafia would be content to let him die and would have never felt the need to defend him in the first place. It is certain that mafia defended him originally, as shown by the floods of alternative target suggestions. Your so-called "analyst" Pardoner doesn't do anything but fling mud at me for the better part of a day. Yet when I return and start decimating his attempt to derail the lynch, he panics and decides to fake claim DT in a desperate attempt to make the town back out. Oh, and not to mention he does a bogus ultimatum in which he makes a shoddy attempt to discredit my DT claim. GMarshal's DT claim as Mafia makes total sense. He can't be rolechecked, and given the situation the mafia is in, he needs to do something to stop the Coagulation lynch. Furthermore, he knows who the mafia are, so it isn't that difficult to solidify his position later on in the game. Just look back at GMarshal's behavior. Its clearly scumlike. He was elected on a platform of being a "good analyzer", but he has done nothing but fling mud, spread doubt, and make a few half hearted attempts at analysis. GMarshal has something to hide, since he is obviously mafia. Mafia have every reason to save Coagulation now because they've already committed to the lynch. Too many people are coming out accusing people of being mafia. Mafia felt pressured, and were forced to make a big move. Mafia got overconfident and thought they could discredit me because I switched claims. Unfortunately for them it failed. ^__^ If you're going to ignore him, just ignore him. Being glib is just spiteful and doesn't do anything helpful. Prot, you actually haven't given a convincing reason why we can't just let Coag get handled in the night and either pop up blue or red. It's fairly unlikely at this point you're going to be able to convince everyone that just all of this fell into place by your masterful planning. It's probably best to use the day to deal with a different target. | ||
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On April 14 2011 12:29 redFF wrote: Boom. Why would protact not include a role in his original dt claim and coag FOS. Protact is obv lying and trying to find a way to get protected. WHY DOES ANYONE BELIEVE IN THE SLIGHTEST WHAT HE IS FUCKING SAYING. HEY IM ASSASSIN, VOTE ME FOR MAYOR!!! HEY I DIDNT GET BODYGUARDS BUT NOW EVERYONE KNOWS I AM ASSASSIN. GUESS WUT??? I WAS FUCKING WITH YOU GUYS IM ACTUALLY DT AND MY BIGGEST CRITIC IS MAFIA :D:D:D. I COULD HAVE JUST NOT CLAIMED ANYTHING AND BEEN VOTED IN TO OFFICE AS TOWN BUT naww. What the fuck. read that and tell me it makes sense. you can't It's against the rules to log onto someone else's account, Coagulation. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:01 GGQ wrote: Pretty sure it's not, but he'll probably change his mind and claim it was within the next 3 hours. I hope so, anyway. It's the only move he's got to avoid being lynched himself, imo. It's absolutely ridiculous to think he can convince the entire town, and possibly himself, that a pardon isn't absolutely anti-town. It's practically what he ran his campaign on. | ||
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On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote: Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it. At least I will have played correctly. Sometimes its about more than just winning. Coming from the self-proclaimed protected DT suiciding of his own free will, I have a hard time agreeing that you're either: 1) Being helpful to town 2) Teaching anyone a lesson except not to elect GMarshal to an office Stop threatening to lynch. On April 15 2011 11:19 Coagulation wrote: No hes trying to not let town Mislynch but you guys are too fucking sheep to realize it. So to be non-sheep, we should all follow GM and lynch someone else or split up all our votes so mafia can take their pick? | ||
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On April 15 2011 13:03 GMarshal wrote: Well, ladies and gentlemen, it was nice knowing you and I hope you have fun lynching me. tomorrow. Take this as a personal and very dear fuck you to the cheaters that ruined this game. You will not have your victory, I personally will not let you have it. My policy is fuck over cheaters and then worry about my win condition, screw LaL, screw survival. When people cheated the game stopped mattering. ##Pardon: AirbladeOrange. Goodnight, sweethearts, I hope the taste of victory snatched away from you is as bitter as the taste of having the game ruined is for me So.......is this still part of the game or did something bad happen? | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Guess that means the bodyguard identities are known to mafia. After the flip, DrH might as well post their identities so we have 2 confirmed townies and medic targets. Probably a good idea. | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Wait for the flip, he might have been an assassin too. Probably a better idea. Soz for double post. | ||
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On April 15 2011 14:30 redFF wrote: Yeah i understand those 2 but what obvious reasons for me? That i was one of the first people to FOS GM day1??? That i went against an assassin claiming dt??? If it helps, these are some notes I took in the last half hour about the votes. Might lend to some of his suspicion of you. + Show Spoiler + #### People who weren't voting for GM until nearing the inevitable flip The_Roist Conversion Barundar redFF #### People still on Prot near the end LSB Eiii #### Jaminz never voted even with a clear person to vote on, placed temp vote on DrH | ||
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On April 16 2011 03:51 Coagulation wrote: So you guys wanna know whos gonna die tonight? Well it's against the rules to go against your own win condition, so anything you offer is probably B.S. The last several pages have been pretty lamentable, but I'm pretty confident the mafia team hasn't lost yet despite the actions of a couple of its less discerning members. Please don't give up, no matter what team you're on. Play it through! R.I.P. redFF | ||
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On April 16 2011 09:20 chaoser wrote: It could have been that they wanted to split the vote. It could have been because there's a lot of newbies in the game and they wanted them to sheep, it could have been bad decision making due to being under stress and angry at Prot's lie. Look at coag's vigi into vet claim. That enough was a HUGE slip from him. There's no way you can mistake your own role like that. Either way LSB will die to either a vigi or assassin tonight. Once it became apparent that Coag was going to be that day's lynch, I'm pretty certain logic flew out the window. The argument for lynching Coag was that it was in Prot's best interest to deliver a red to us and he's a great analyst (possibly 3 great analysts) and we had no strong leads. The argument against (mainly from Coag and GM) was that Prot is guaranteed to be black. They just kinda avoided the whole argument together and hoped it would work, but it didn't. Anyone who voted to Lynch Prot, no matter what the reasoning, is highly suspicious in my book. Assassins don't have to put their neck out there, they can just snipe at night. | ||
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On April 16 2011 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: At least mafia KP got reduced. If DT's got a red result time to make your case. If trackers/watchers found something now is a good time to come forth. KP didn't go down tonight. Original Message From BrownBear: 1) Just framed. They're pretty blind, sadly  2) Mafia KP is number of mafia/2 rounded up. The only mafia roles in the game, and their powers are in the role list. If you're wondering about roleblocking, it does not cost KP to use. Hope that helps They had 6 people tonight, divide by 2 and round up is 3 KP. Now they have 5 people. Divide by 2 and round up = 3 KP. | ||
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On April 16 2011 17:04 The_Roist wrote: Nope, I sent a PM to brownBear, he said that the BGs are not told that they are BGs. I just want to know if there is a way to really "prove" who the BGs are. If you die, you flip BG. | ||
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On April 17 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: So there were at least two roleblocks tonight. Which is strange considering that (as far as I know), Barundur was the only one who said that he was roleblocked after night 1. Did someone not claim that they were roleblocked on day 2? It's possible a dead person was roleblocked and killed the same night. You're not allowed to give vital information in your "death post". So there's been less than 1 page of discussion since last night and it looks like people are already deciding on Jaminz? Are we just going after lurkers now? | ||
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On April 17 2011 04:23 chaoser wrote: Why don't you do some analysis yourself? I'm cranky! Grumpy Gus. I'm not disagreeing, I think that after certain circumstances occurred and the frustration of those who have been revealed, the remaining reds are probably lurkers that are barely playing. On April 17 2011 05:15 Barundar wrote: I highly doubt scum have 2 roleblockers. I suggest we lynch either me or m0nster to clear this up. I would be against lynching the person who suggested modkilling a mafia goon. That said, there's a few things we know about M0nster: - He's been constantly harassed by redFF - He's pretty inactive - He voted for GM before presenting his reasoning - GM suggested lynching him - He fought against lynching the guy GM wanted to lynch - He asked who should be dt'ed/tracked - He claimed tracker - He voted to lynch Coag - He called LSB scum It's no surprise that a claimed tracker would be roleblocked. The rest of his voting habits fall in line with most of the other confirmed/dead townies. I don't think he's really the lurker that should be lynched. | ||
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On April 20 2011 10:41 jaminz wrote: Yet to vote: 15.TranceStorm 18.urashimakt 22.The_Roist 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 29.AirbladeOrange Everyone who's voted so far has voted for DropBear except for DropBear, who voted for Chaoser Can't blame a man for playing Portal 2. ##Vote DropBear | ||
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On April 24 2011 08:28 ilovejonn wrote: I mean this game is so boring even the OP isn't updated anymore. I wouldn't put the blame on BB, if that's what you mean. It's been a wonky game with some huge slips and some really good games have just been released, exams are hitting for a lot of people. I've felt that I've been phoning it in for a while now. | ||
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On April 24 2011 12:30 Jackal58 wrote: 2 questions. Which one of you nimrods shot me. How did Proact and others manage to play under one name? LemonWalrus was my shot after being preempted on LSB. I'm clean, man! | ||
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On April 25 2011 02:13 urashimakt wrote: LemonWalrus was my shot after being preempted on LSB. I'm clean, man! Actually, after finishing the thread, apparently LemonWalrus was also a mafia hit. So my bullet just disappeared and never came back. | ||
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On April 25 2011 02:44 kitaman27 wrote: lol that means you still had your shot to use. Not to my knowledge. The first night I shot, BB let me know my bullet came back. The second night, I got no such notice. I assumed I had killed LemonWalrus. | ||
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On April 25 2011 03:58 BrownBear wrote: Not true. I sent you a PM saying you got your shot back, and the next night you shot someone else. I have the PMs, if you want. No, you're right. I forgot about the Coagulation incident and confused the switches. I ended up hitting Mig. | ||
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