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On April 01 2011 16:08 flamewheel wrote: -__- I can't believe the site won't let me report you, accursed spammer. | ||
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On April 07 2011 01:18 tnkted wrote: Oh boy! I'm so excited! Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday? | ||
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On April 05 2011 14:05 BrownBear wrote: 3 slots still open. Wow, this filled up actually faster than I expected. This game will not start before Friday. This is to give Insane time to end (or at least get close to ending), and me time to finish some things. At the rate we're going, should be full then, so we will be sending out role PMs Friday, time and signups permitting! I think the classic TL Mafia ##### threads are highly desired by newcomers to the TL Mafia scene. I've had access to the forum for a while now, but I've silently proclaimed "What are all these things? We're supposed to do what now? Oh hell no!" to the special games until I can get my feet wet on a normal game. Granting newbies a chance to drill the basics before adding on the bells and whistles is a big draw, I'd say. Plus LSB looked intimidating. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 Comes up 'child pornographer', might be broken. | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: How is that a slip? There is no framer. Well, you might expect a townie to suggest not wasting a DT on them. Scum could be more prone to bluffing in order to gain trust and convince the town to DT someone else, so they feel like not DTing Kav is their own idea instead of his. So I can see why he says "scum slip", even if it's just a night 0 joke. | ||
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On April 10 2011 12:06 GMarshal wrote: My campaign has prettier pictures than yours! Also if you are elected and I'm stuck as a bg again I'll have an aneurysm! That said, gentlemen don't vote for themselves and I'd be happy to have you as a pardoner with me ##Vote Kavdragon I'm not trying to be a douche of a first timer, but I know this rule varies from game to game and I don't want people getting in trouble for rule breaks: 1. Voting is done in a separate thread, which will be created when this game starts. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. That said, there's no voting thread up yet that I can see. The more analysis on these wannabe mayors from you old-timers the better, cause as a newb I'm not sure who I should be voting for and there is a LOT of material I'm shuffling through in old threads, maybe too much. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:29 GMarshal wrote: urashimakt, voting is done in a separate thread, but its tradition that we also vote in here to make it evident we are voitng, this way we avoid people ninja votingn and no one noticing till the lynch has gone through, sure votes here aren't counted, but they *Are* made evident to the rest of the players. Make sense? I saw that was the rule in XXXVIII, but it was specifically mentioned as being an unusual situation. In the rules here, it says to only place votes in the separate thread. I'm just looking out, BrownBear's the only one I'm going to trust to say otherwise. O_O | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:36 Eiii wrote: Also once his two assassin buddies die off, he gets removed from the game-- and we lose our nice 3-vote mayor (or pardoner). Eventually losing a pardoner in exchange for 2 hits and a rolecheck doesn't seem like a bad thing, if we could shoot him into a number 2 victory. There's a lot of mafia hits rolling around at night this game, it'd be nice to have some for town. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:51 chaoser wrote: The problem with this is that we DON'T know if there are medics or not. Hosts can pull a lawl give em all vets only thing again. And if there are medics, I'd rather have them free to protect dynamically against predicted hits. I think having a black pardoner under green thumb is a powerful position no matter how you look at it. Unless anyone can find out why we shouldn't, ##Vote Protactinium | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:59 Lanaia wrote: Exactly this. Sorry, I'll be posting more tomorrow, the boyfriend and I are watching a movie. I will be voting for GMarshal, for the record. If the assassin is mafia, why does he need protection exactly? Is it just from vigs? The assassin's third party, they play a different game than Town vs Mafia that intersects perpendicularly in that some of their kills (or our kills) will affect one or the other. They don't have to support the mafia. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: both those points are dumb you're mafia i'm like 80% sure How exactly are the assassins going to prey upon our bodyguards effectively? They don't have contact with the Mafia, their own tools deprecate when used on non-assassin targets, and any open action they make to try to gain some sort of edge leaves them vulnerable to Protactinium who would be invulnerable and able to kill them. The point about him being able to sell bodyguards out is a little easier to see. I still think the benefits outweigh any possible negative, even if he were to try to double agent his way to victory. I agree with DrH on this early call. I think you're trying to guide us into a defensive position, which with 4 KP a night out there I don't want to be caught up in. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:23 GMarshal wrote: It dosn't matter how "effective" they are at hitting BGs it matters that they are going to be throwing more KP out there that are likely to hit town. While I agree that my greatest worry is not pissing off the other assassins at the moment, but rather losing a powerful town role in exchange for a dt check, (which is nice) and two kills (which have as much potential to hit town as scum, especially since our "friendly" assassin is going to probably go after whichever suggestions he finds most likely to be other assassins) Its not worth giving a powerful pro town role to someone who does not have our best interests at heart. I say NO to giving a pro-town role to a non-town person I don't think the other assassins (if they're wise) are going to be throwing KP at town. It just wouldn't be an effective way to achieve their win condition unless they knew who the bodyguards are, which they aren't going to. As far as giving a powerful green role to a black, I don't agree. He has no reason to pardon anyone that we wouldn't, as far as I can tell. He does, however, bring abilities to the table that I think are more powerful than the pardon. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:34 GMarshal wrote: Let me be utterly honest here if I were an assassin and another assassin got elected I would probably say "fuck this" and start gunning for townies out of frustration. Or worse, trying to help the mafia snipe the bgs so I could have a shot at my target. One way an assassin could do this is by detecting a BG with his DT ability and then giving out that information. And yes he has reasons to pardon someone who we would not, lets say the second place person in a vote is someone who he thinks is an assassin he'll happily pardon the first place to get the other person hanged, and potentially win. Also we have no way to make him use his abilities for us, lets say he uses his KP on whoever the fuck he wants, what are we going to do waste a lynch on him and give the mafia another free round of kills? No, more likely than not we'll say "damn you, shoot who we want" and let him live, because we cannot afford to waste a lynch. or if we do lynch him we helped the scum team, congratulations a true lose/lose situation This is a BAD IDEA, we want townies in power, not assassins who are out only for themselves. While I still think that any assassin playing to win (which should be all of them) going around on a green killing spree is a ridiculous assumption, I agree with everything else and I change my mind. You should say the good stuff first all the time, mate. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:03 Protactinium wrote: Fortress made of text. You've made a fatal miscalculation: your smurfs can be reported. I've double backed, I'm re-endorsing Proctatinium for Pardoner. Still against a black as mayor in case he has to peace out to avoid losing at any point in the game (probably near the end). | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:02 Protactinium wrote: Wait, not related to the game, but are you saying you're going to report me for smurfing? Uh... I'm a staff member. I have several known smurfs running around. This is just for Mafia? Nope, it was just a joke from complaining about your face spam before the game started. Had no actual intention to report a well-known member for doing something that's not against any rules anywhere. Sorry, I suppose it was a little far out there. On April 10 2011 17:07 chaoser wrote: I think it's been covered but assassins acting desperate won't help them win. They have incentive to kill bodyguards yes, but shooting indiscriminately into town isn't going to net them bodyguard kills. It's a 40 man game. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to kill bodyguards which they don't know who is? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know how they are. This. Assassins that are playing to win are not going to be a threat. Protactinium can't ally with with the Mafia if he can't talk to them, and by BrownBear's ruling so far he can't do that via PM. Being an assassin is still going to be a waiting game, they'll just have a target they can't hit until very late into the game. The ability to pardon grants him no power to reach his own win condition. It's true that we can't force him to hold to his word about using his 2 hammers and 1 rolecheck in our favor, but there's very little reason for him not to. He only needs 1 hammer to win his game. More importantly, if he's ingratiated to play as town while he sits around for days doing nothing then we gain the analysis of a veteran. I think it's worth it. On April 10 2011 17:10 kitaman27 wrote: The game is just hours in and he is already threatening town. Well, seeing as Mafia can only PM Mafia and no one else is allowed to PM, I'd be super impressed if he managed to somehow backstab us by allying with the Mafia. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:09 kevconsim wrote: I agree with this. When protract doesnt get elected if he dies night 1 there is no real harm to us. Its a side game. It would be nice to have the extra kp's but is it worth it if a mafia gets into mayor or pardoner? NO Can you lynch the mayor with out killing the bodyguards? Mayor You are not immune to lynching. That goes for Pardoner, too, which I think is where Protact should get elected to. If he doesn't or can't hit/rolecheck who we want, we could assume he's scum. Best case scenario we lynch a godfather, worst case we lynch an assassin. I'm still pretty certain that's he's black, though. | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:31 Coagulation wrote: what would be the incentive for an assassin to pardon ANYONE.. he would never do it. every flip is viable to him.every flip gives him a chance of killing assassin. why would he stop a flip you guys are fucking insane. Can you direct me to a point in a game where a pardon was vital and game-changing? As far as I understand it, people are lynched because they're voted for. If you don't think someone should be lynched, don't vote for them. I'm wary of anyone ever using a pardon, so if we get someone who will never use it then I'm for that until someone can show me why it's not a plus. I'd rather not have a single player with the ability to say "You know what? No." If he feels a lynch is wrong, he should convince enough people of the same thing. | ||
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