On March 26 2011 06:22 Pandain wrote:
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Easy D1 lynch obvs.
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On March 26 2011 06:22 Pandain wrote: /in I miss mafia Easy D1 lynch obvs. /in | ||
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On March 26 2011 15:34 annul wrote: holy fuck, FORTY slots? /in son, don't be trippin' we use to straight up roll 60 deep. | ||
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On March 26 2011 05:04 Qatol wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2011 04:46 GMarshal wrote: /in Is it too early to start running for mayor? From the Mafia VIII OP (and I don't think anything has really changed about this since then). BrownBear/Meapak are of course free to overrule this: Show nested quote + On May 14 2009 16:15 Qatol wrote: The Election: I would ask that potential candidates do NOT begin their campaigns before the game starts. I believe doing so interferes with the atmosphere of the game and provides a level of sincerity that should not be part of the game. With this in mind, I would ask the voters not to consider running before the game begins as a perk to a player's candidacy. | ||
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On April 03 2011 13:01 Coagulation wrote: its not a perm ban you just gotta type /sitout a game to get it removed. you actually have to designate a game that your sitting out. BTW this is another instance where the system fails IMO. we lose players over stupid technicalities. To be honest, I would have asked for some leniency if it wasn't for his response: So I've checked and it's been 8 games since then. So I guess despite that it was 8 games ago (correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I was merely inactive on the thread but was active outside of the game in IRC talking to my mates about how we should kill and play) and I was modkilled then about a year ago, I'm still banned? Hmm... guess this is perm ban then, alright have fun guys. Lost the appeal into playing this by 30% now, unless I can be convinced back up by 40% and then it's 98.7% for sure I play! ^_^ He's basically threatening us and blaming us for his disinterest in playing mafia which I call bullshit on. If you really wanted to play you wouldn't have been modkilled and then left the subforum. If you actually wanted to play again you'd be willing to sit out a game. Even BM asked nicely and was willing to semi follow the strict rules placed on him when he came back. Don't come into a sign up and be like well, guess I ain't playing cause of you guys and your (implied) stupid rules. But if you disregard the rules for me, I'll play =P. Yeah no kthanksbye. Don't need your passive-aggressive BS | ||
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On April 04 2011 09:40 GMarshal wrote: @BrownBear, what have you unleashed? Have you seen how many people are requesting access to the forums? I think you are going to find we have more than 9 people requesting to play soon. ^_^ I might be happy with this if coag weren't so good at causing chaos, I mean if he is scum he will play exactly the same way he plays town, which ensures mass chaos. my name has chaos in it. i win. | ||
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obvious blue hunting is obvious =P | ||
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On April 09 2011 10:10 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i dont talk at night i think silence during night is the best policy for town I completely disagree with this statement, I think the additional 24 hours of information are really valuable, its like extending the day by 24 hours. I dont think the additonal information we end up giving the mafia that way outweighs that at all. I mean look at Ver's analysis in XXXVII, they were all posted at night. I actually disagree as well. Having someone flip gives a lot of new information and can give posts by people a new light. Why would you not want to analyze before the end of night where you might possibly die? Ver said he was afraid he'd be shot every night so he posted his thoughts during the night and that helped town greatly. | ||
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I know you aren't arguing for that, but I think that if we choose a mayor his scumhunting/analysis skills should be the first reason we choose him and his leadership the second. So you're saying we should choose Coag for the mayor position? He has decent scumhunting, shooting both the GF and Underboss. I dont think I fully agree with you Kav, leadership is vital, but I'd much rather have a strong analyst than a strong leader who is just wrong. We just recently talked about how the most important thing for a leader to have is to be able to convince others, not to just blindly scumhunt and then say HE IS SCUM I JUST KNOW IT. I think if you're a good analyst, you're bound to be a good leader because a good analyst is someone who can write convincing arguments and thus lead. This argument about good analyst vs good leader is a nonargument since a good analyst should also be a good leader. I'm more worried about second place. Seeing as how this allows someone to get BG protection and also know who the BGs are, reds and blacks will all be gunning to run for mayor. At the least they can get second place and get the names of the BG, which is all that the mafia needs to worry about in the case of a strong townie winning the mayor election. We should put pressure on anyone who will be running for the mayor campaign and obviously townies should pull out of the race if they feel someone else would make a better mayor than them. This way we get a small list of mayor campaigners and if red or black DID run then it's easy to find them. Also, in regards to the assassins, I think we SHOULD apply pressure on one if we find one. We can offer them a deal for protection/DT powers in return for getting to direct one of their 3 KPs. That way they get some help and we get some help. | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what happens if the mafia doesn't run Then all the better. The statement is said to scare mafia not to do stuff. We put the fear of it in front of them and they'll think twice about it. Though I doubt in this game not a single mafia will run. Being pardoner is too juicy a role to get that's relatively easy to get. In XXXVII even LSB posting the list of people by ranking scared me enough not to kill off everyone in tier 2. Obviously I was playing way too safe since all I wanted to do is get to LYLO and use my "townieness" but the same thing applies here. My bluff in insane led to much WIFOM for Kav and in the end iGrok's posts pushed him to call my bluff but if he didn't then I would have pulled way ahead. | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat Yeah so sorry, what are we arguing over again lol? Seems like all we're doing is talking about the inherent risks of the mayor campaign and the end conclusion is that we should vote mayor is town, a mafia mayor needs to play well or he will be discovered. I figure only good players are going to be running, and in serious contention, for the mayor spot anyway. I doubt the mafia team will send in someone that they don't think can handle the pressure if there is any. Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily? Then can't mafia also run and then say we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates since mafia could have not run and so on? It's a big WIFOM that really leads nowhere except to create a WIFOM conversation topic that people will come into arguing about basically nothing since both sides are possible. That being said, I'd rather be safe and look at the mayor candidates for at least Day 2. To not look at them would be absurd and bad play. If we sniff out anyone, all the better. If not, we place them on the back burner and if something does come up at a later day then we come back to it. | ||
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Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily? Also, it's relatively easy to see when focus on someone unnecessarily is being done by someone else. That leads to a FoS on the person doing it if it happens and if the person lynched flips green then there's huge pressure on the person who did a shitty case of tunneling/gut read/bad logic on the green townie that just got lynched. | ||
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Hey im red Hey im red Hey im red Hey im red WE GOTS YOU!!!! | ||
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OBJECTION! Kita is a weak person who can't handle tough cases. A person prone to failure and easy to trick. A peson easily swayed by the mafia to do their bidding. A person that could very well be scum. He runs on a platform of fear and timidness, stating that he is merely running to keep the role of pardoner out of other's hands because he is "town" and that he will only use his powers in situations where it is clear cut from town that it is a mafia bandwagon. WEAK! SPINELESS! I promise to be different, fearless, a force against which the red scum who have so viciously killed Plexa will not want to go up against.
I'm a good player that has a good head between my shoulders. In Insane I pushed for Darm's lynch before even Bum posted on it. On Day 2 I tried to move the vote off Tackster, who was green, onto LemonWalrus, who was red and almost succeeded. Had I had the power to pardon, we might had 3 confirmed townies instead of only 2. Finally, I am willing to take risks if I think they will help town. My bluff of King gave Kavdragon much WIFOM to think about and would have certainly worked if it weren't for iGrok's fake breadcumbs. Vote For Courage! Vote For Tigerblood! Vote to Bi-Win it all! Vote For chaoser! | ||
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I will be voting for GMarshal and here is why: I know GMarshal's play I have been in two PM circles as well as 1 game where he was mafia recently.This means I probably have the best read on GMarshal out of everyone. His Town Play is far superior to his Mafia Play. It is very easy to tell when he is Mafia and unless he has improved his play for it in just 1 game, I am pretty sure I can sniff it out. GMarshal knows My play In the two circles we have been in, I was Mafia in one and Town in the other. He has seen up close my play on both sides. If I am red and he is green, he will out very quickly. This of course is all moot if both me and him are Mafia but look at my posts in this thread already and ask yourself if they are townie or not. I have tried to clear up easy conversations for mafia to blend in on as well as promoted townie play. ##vote: GMarshal | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:22 tnkted wrote: Is it just me or was this extremely stupid? It's ballsy. He's probably Assassin so it all depends on whether we want him in office or not. We get 2KP and a role check. He gets to live until both bodyguards are dead. We don't get a proven leader/analyst protected. ##Vote Protactinium for now. That was ballsy as fuck. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:28 tnkted wrote: Hmm... On the other hand this would give mafia incentive to be hunting for assassins as well... question for the vets: in games with assassins are assassin targets typically reds or greens? ie, do most assassins act like classic red, with lurking and trying to avoid attention, or do they act like classic greens with analysis and debate? In this game they don't care. They just want to kill black. This deal is a win win for both parties technically. He's not red,we get 2 KP and a role check. The loss is that we don't have a leader/analyst in a 100% protected position. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:32 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 13:29 GMarshal wrote: urashimakt, voting is done in a separate thread, but its tradition that we also vote in here to make it evident we are voitng, this way we avoid people ninja votingn and no one noticing till the lynch has gone through, sure votes here aren't counted, but they *Are* made evident to the rest of the players. Make sense? I saw that was the rule in XXXVIII, but it was specifically mentioned as being an unusual situation. In the rules here, it says to only place votes in the separate thread. I'm just looking out, BrownBear's the only one I'm going to trust to say otherwise. O_O lol, there's no reason to lie about this...it's game mechanic...no reason to trick you. If a vote thread comes up we'll obviously vote in it. But it's good to also vote in here so people can see your vote attached to your name. Makes it 1) easier to analyse your vote 2) easier to see where on the timeline of the day you placed your vote | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote: Protactinium I applaude your ballsy move, I however hate to have to condemn you to a painful death, since not having a townie as mayor hurts us, frankly the mayor and pardoner roles are extremely strong and we need them in the hands of the town. Also as an assassin you are likely to want to aim the lynch at other assasins. I offer you a counter deal, you put your kp/DT check at the service of the town and we will have medics protect you. Is as good as being the mayor, but it dosn't cost the town those roles. Still kudos for your balls of steel in making that claim The problem with this is that we DON'T know if there are medics or not. Hosts can pull a lawl give em all vets only thing again. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: medics shouldn't protect protactinium just let him die lol what a douche... | ||
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Especially Mig, sorry bro. He's been very wishy washy: After all the other assassins are eliminated protactinium would just leave the game right? So if he managed to eliminate the other assassins early we could lose the chance to have a powerful town mayor for the rest of the game. Goes from hinting prot isn't a good pick. I do think making an assassin the mayor would turn the other assassins against the town but they are still extremely limited in what they can do since they only have 3 kills to use. But the 2nd point doesn't make any sense at all. What motive could the assassin possibly have to tell the mafia who the body guards were? The assassin would need to protect his bodyguards just as much as anyone. As long as his body guards are alive hes free to hunt the other assassins without there being any threat to his well being. To being ambiguous about it. Basically he says "Assassins might attack town so maybe we shouldn't vote Prot. But maybe it's ok since they only have 3 kills each to use." Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. Back to fuck prot. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:51 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:48 Mig wrote: On April 10 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said fos I wasn't trying to repeat what others said I was typing the posts up at the same time. You can see my other post where I basically said the exact same thing as you went up at the same time. If my posts are just saying nothing then I don't have any defense against that haha. I am just adding points I thought were valid. So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions Who is your #1 town read? Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read? Who is your favorite Starcraft Player? Y U NO GIVE ME QUESTIONS?! | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:58 GMarshal wrote: Because as far as I can tell you are playing to your usual town meta. However if you are bored I can give you questions Between all the mayor candidates, which do you think is most likely scum (Assuming they are running) ? Name 2 players who you expected to see more action from who are not posting as much as you think they should Favorite SC BW map? lol last time you thought I was town you were wrong =P Kav is probably most scummy out of you me and kav. Kita's is a throw away campaign. I think you should be mayor, I can be pardoner and we can lead the town into an era of prosperity. I'd rather I be pardoner but I love balls to the wall play and having a black in office and taking up a spot for sure instead of a red is appealing so he'd be a third place runner after me in my book. I want ON and Tackster to speak up. ON because he came in, said some throwaway stuff, voted you and then didn't say anything else. Even though just moments before Prot did his balls to the wall claim. ON hasn't said a single thing. Whether that's cause he's busy or cause he's afraid of commenting on it cause he's mafia and needs to consult his team is up in the air. I'mma keep a close watch on him all game. Tackster because he posted well in insane II and I hope to see more of the same. He's on the other side of the world so I understand time differences would cause him to not be posting right now. Wuthering Heights because it used the Twilight template and also because it's named after the saddest book I've ever read. | ||
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You've repeated this point in a later post, so I'll take the liberty of not responding to that one. For this one, I've already dropped a couple hints responding to GMarshal as to who I actually am. Once you figure out who I am, then you can judge if I'm qualified as a leader/analyst. I remember who you are now =P. Ok, i'm willing to give up my spot for yous. ##vote Protacinium | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:07 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + You've repeated this point in a later post, so I'll take the liberty of not responding to that one. For this one, I've already dropped a couple hints responding to GMarshal as to who I actually am. Once you figure out who I am, then you can judge if I'm qualified as a leader/analyst. I remember who you are now =P. Ok, i'm willing to give up my spot for yous. ##vote Protacinium To clarify, he is both a decent leader and analyst. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:06 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: On April 10 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote: Protactinium I applaude your ballsy move, I however hate to have to condemn you to a painful death, since not having a townie as mayor hurts us, frankly the mayor and pardoner roles are extremely strong and we need them in the hands of the town. Also as an assassin you are likely to want to aim the lynch at other assasins. I offer you a counter deal, you put your kp/DT check at the service of the town and we will have medics protect you. Is as good as being the mayor, but it dosn't cost the town those roles. Still kudos for your balls of steel in making that claim I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet. I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. Go read the rest of it -_-. He wants to have fun, not wins ASAP. Probably be banned in any other part of the forum for saying something like that lol. And also that's a horribly anti-town thing to say. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:28 GMarshal wrote: Sorry Protactinium but despite the fact that you make compelling arguments and are a great player, its an undeniable fact that you have a non-town win condition, and I dont think you'll be using all your powers to further our win. If town wants you as pardoner, then there is nothing I can do to stop them, obviously, but for the record my previous argument that if we elect you we have no means of controlling you other than wasting a lynch still stands. I don't want to make you die night one. but I will not vote for someone who I think does not have the towns best interests at heart, sorry. That's debatable though. To vote into office someone who is not that great at leading/analyzing would mean bad things for town too. Like we had previously discussed, a leader/analyst would be the best choice to vote into office. And prot can do that. Just look at his massive info filled post just now, clearly he is able to do it. While his win condition is different from ours it doesn't mean that it is against ours. In fact it has some overlap. There's no reason for prot to go "out of control" so there's no real reason for us to "control him". For him to go out of control is for him to fuck his win condition out the window and lose so he'll be playing protown. He's pretty much running on the same platform everyone else is running on "I'll be pro-town" except he is 99% transparent. He already talked about the reason why playing pro-town black is better than playing pro-red black. I wish I had pm so we could sort out the logic a bit better but I really see almost no problems with electing prot. They would be negligible at best. | ||
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On April 10 2011 16:59 DropBear wrote: Hi everyone, just got home. First thing that struck me is how many people are running for mayor. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: Unless you actively lynch Assassins (who most likely are going to either keep quiet or try to act overly pro-town) or they are killed by Mafia, I don't complete my mission objective. I don't really care how long it takes: there are 40 people in this game with no extra Mafia KP and no hatters. Ladies and gents, this is why I am not voting for Protactinium. Should he be elected, the longer he stays in office the more desperate the other assassins will get. They have incentive to kill the bodyguards. What incentive does he have to do anything to help us? We're his shield. It's in his interest to stay til the end and the longer he stays in the more likely townies will die unnecessarily. I am much more comfortable voting for someone who is useful AND pro-town like chaoser or GMarshal. The back and forth between Kavdragon and DocH is suss and I don't trust either of them enough. I think it's been covered but assassins acting desperate won't help them win. They have incentive to kill bodyguards yes, but shooting indiscriminately into town isn't going to net them bodyguard kills. It's a 40 man game. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to kill bodyguards which they don't know who is? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know how they are. | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: I forgot to highlight the bit saying unless you actively lynch assassins, he doesn't win. Basically, he wants us to lynch assassin's for him. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 16:06 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet. I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow. He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. Just like how any other player would be dealt with. If a mayor was red and playing anti-town, we lynch. If it was a green who was elected and he was plying subpar and anti-town, we'd lynch. We basically treat everyone who's in a mayor position in the same way. At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green. | ||
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On April 10 2011 17:21 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: I forgot to highlight the bit saying unless you actively lynch assassins, he doesn't win. Basically, he wants us to lynch assassin's for him. On April 10 2011 16:06 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet. I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins. Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow. He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. What's to stop him from blackmailing town with the identities of the bodyguards once we decide the time has come? Or maybe the identity of the medic/dt? He certainly wouldn't go down without a fight, plus that's a lynch we should be using on scum, not black. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green. Shooting scum does not further his win condition. If he shoots, its going to be because he thinks he is hitting an assassin. He brought up a good point earlier. If town wins, he loses. Why are you defending him so much? Because once he blackmails he's lost the game. It's game over for him. He won't be able to win the assassin game cause we'll lynch him the next day. What's the point of doing something that is akin to fucking your own win condition out the window? He has no reason to help black just as he has no inherent reason to help town. But he's making a call and saying, I will help town. It's already been explained that black playing pro-town is a better game plan then to play pro-red. It's been proven in a few games too where black ended up selling his services to help town in return for protection/checks. Shooting scum doesn't further his win condition, yes. But becoming protected by bodyguards does. He can't be killed till the BGs die. In return he'll give town control over two of his KP and his check. You think town is going to win from two KP and a check and then he screws himself over? Please. Most likely he'll be close to winning by mid-late game at the earliest. Why am I defending him so much? Why do you ask? Let's think about the choices: 1) I'm black - lawl, why would black help black get into office, no 2) I'm red - lawl, why would I cut my team's chances of getting into office by letting a black into office, especially one that says he'll give town 2 KP and a check who can also prove himself since he can't be roleblocked, no 3) I'm green and I can see the inherent positives that he brings to the table and that the negatives are negligible at best given all the other risks we are taking with other candidates. At least his platform has more substance than anyone else out there that is pretty much "PLEASE BELIEVE ME!! I'M TOWN!" - ding ding ding You are either black, red, or stupid town. You can pick. | ||
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As I said, the longer it takes for him to win, the more likely bodyguards or randoms townies get killed by the other assassins. With this many players there are likely to be a few as well. Much higher chance of crossfire. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to randomly kill bodyguards which they don't know? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know who they are. | ||
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On April 11 2011 02:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: hey can anyone explain why the fuck you would vote for protact are you mafia or just stupid chaoser and redFF WHY I already answered this question. You can go back to my previously posted things to see why I think it's a good idea. Stop being a Cartman. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:05 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:59 chaoser wrote: There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do. Are you sure assassins can't be roleblocked? I went back and double checked that and I can't confirm it. Mayor and Pardoners can't be roleblocked They will protect you, making you immune to night actions OF ANY KIND until after they both are dead (any actions placed on you while a Bodyguard is alive will be ignored). You are not immune to lynching. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Why do mafia want an assassin in office again? Mafia want mafia in office. A Mafia as mayor is effectively pushing up LYLO 3 days. They don't want a black to clog up a space that they want to take. They can't communicate with him via PMs to tell him what to do.They can't control him as well as town can because they can't kill him with KP if he decides to say fuck you to them. They barely gain anything from having a black in office. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: There's no hidden roles, are there? I don't think so This is a semi-open setup. Roles and their abilities will be disclosed, however role counts will not. Roles below may or may not be a part of this setup. Likewise, Mafia numbers are disclosed, but number of Mafia roles are not. Number of Assassins is not disclosed to anyone except the Assassins | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:15 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates. so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted. Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. QTF | ||
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1) Prot will use his KP to kill assassin and not the way we want to use them thus saving them up only for assassins 2) Other assassins will use their KP to try to hit BodyGuard so they can kill Prot, effectively shooting into the town crowd. Those two arguments contradict each other. The first one is saying Prot will conserve his KP for only assassins since he is an assassin. The second one is saying that assassins would waste their KP on non-assassins to try to find BG. What's probably going to happen is assassins will try to find out the other assassins first, wait till both BG are dead from reds killing them and then hit Prot. This serves the purpose of conserving their KP to only kill assassins and also works in their favor cause mafia want to kill the BG to get rid of Prot. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:42 Barundar wrote: So chaoser, are you still running? Oh sorry, I don't remember your question from before, can you ask it again? I was going to answer it but people came over and I forgot. I'm still running but I think Prot should be in office in some sort of position. | ||
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Prot Situation For Prot redFF chaoser GGQ urashimakt DrH -> Was for Prot, now against him kevconsim DropBear -> "good point by kita" as only reason, no against prot kita -> very against prot wiggles -> late to the party, no to prot Mig -> no to prot GMarshal -> no to prot tnkted -> no to prot Mig -> no to prot ON -> didn't say anything about prot, voted GM Eii -> no to prot kavdragon -> no to prot y u reveal about people against you prot before me =[ | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. Sup Trancestorm, nice to know you've been lurking and reading all of the stuff but saying nothing about it. What do you think about Prot's campaign? Kita? DrH? | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah me and coagulation are the most reasonable right now Objection! Alternative GMarshal/Chaoser 2011! We'll win the game AND get your Chinese Princess Back! | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:28 redFF wrote: I see no reason for any mayor or pardoner to ever reveal the 2 bodyguards. Ever. I'll say I can see no reason for any mayor/pardoner to reveal 2 bodyguards most of the time. There might be unforeseen circumstances where it would be best to do it. Dunno what they are yet, but we'll see. | ||
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And if bodyguards do die(after at least a couple days), then we shall have not only a couple mafia/assassins dead but medics can protect me now. Medics can protect me now. Medics can protect me now. Medics can protect me now. So you want to become mayor, put our BGs in danger, and if they die, tie up our medics to protect you. Yeah...ok | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:51 Coagulation wrote: YA u did i watched it. Yeah, my bad. It wasn't on purpose though. | ||
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How can anyone say that having two mafia(from being watched) dead is NOT worth having two townies dead? This is assuming we only have two watchers, they both watch different bodyguards, there's not medics, nosy neighbors, etc. visiting the bodyguards as well. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:57 Pandain wrote: The point is that the threat is there. I've already mentioned that. And they can not give a shit, shoot into it, counter claim, buy another day, etc. Tons of stuff can go wrong. If I was mafia and I saw this happening I'd jump for joy. Outting your own BG? Awesome! | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:59 Pandain wrote: Hmm.... Alright. Then just keep the names hidden. And we're even safer. Think shit through please before putting up shitty plans | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:24 The_Roist wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote: I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway... We always brawl on day 1. Do you guys? Its my first time playing Mafia with TL, you guys are far more...aggressive? Then the guys i'm used to playing with. It's the BROOKLYN RAGE in all of us. Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium I concur but....Y U NO INCLUDE ME???? | ||
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I've been backed by GMarshal as his running mate, the person who has received the most votes to this point Go find another running mate | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:57 chaoser wrote: I've been backed by GMarshal as his running mate, the person who has received the most votes to this point Go find another running mate You dropped out to support the assassin. GMarshal has stated he is against the assassin. You never answered my question from before either: Did you have the idea to run for pardoner during night zero or only after you saw that I was running for the role. I had it in my head to run since night zero. your campaign just allowed me to use a phoenix wright image <3 | ||
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Chaoser gets added because he was sheeping behind some really bad ideas, adding to the flames of arguments that shouldn't have ever started, and acting generally scummy. I have no analysis yet, so it still a lowish level read, but it's still a read. What arguments am I sheeping behind again? I'm pretty sure I've said most of the things before agreeing with someone else who has said something like what I said. | ||
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On April 11 2011 09:19 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 09:11 GMarshal wrote: Oh, and I forgot, a huge deadly poke at all the inactive players, especially those who have only 1 or 2 posts to avoid being mod killed, need I remind you that if you don't post you are aiding and abetting the enemy and that constitutes treason, and I will hang you for it. Don't make me actually go through and find your names, because I will... and you'll be sorry Inactive list Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- 1 post since game started, bashing protact with no actual content Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- lurking Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, votes for gmarshall without posting. Serejai- no posts since sign up Btw, I know it's nice and all to update lists and stuff but it really does come off as contributing in a noncontributing way. It's easy to go after inactives. Not so easy to go after people speaking up yeah? | ||
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Protactinium loses if town wins. I agree with this. As late game approaches he will obviously delay town's victory if he's not close to winning the assassin game. I guess in the end the argument is over whether or not he will be helpful to the town before this point comes about. Will he be worth it? I think him being mayor is worth it (not red, gives us two KP and a check, strong analyst) Another issue that might come up is what will happen if he does indeed not listen to town. Will town waste a lynch on him? It'd be a hard call since we spent a lot of time talking about getting him into office but I know that I will have a zero tolerance policy against him. He fucks up, I don't care, I will vote for his lynch. This ties back into the previous point which is will his marginal utility be positive up to that point or will it cost us. As I said before, I think it's worth it. | ||
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On April 11 2011 10:26 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 09:41 Kenpachi wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys. dont ignore me and tell me how im lurking and shit .. So, how many Assassins are in the game? Maybe if Protact dies, 1 less assassin for the remaining to hunt. Its beneficial for townie in a game with less KP.. I think Kita makes a good point about Protact in the late game (not too sure if it was mentioned before but it just struck my mind) Im going to go with GM cause im a sheep This vote makes me unhappy, I dont want sheep in the town, you dont send out sheep to fight wolves, you send out other wolves. So please kenpachi, can you justify your vote in some way other that "I is sheep" ? Also while we are at it, do you have any major scum reads at this point? don't be a sheep, be a wolf The last time I heard someone say that they ended up getting a sniper bullet through their head | ||
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On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I want to ask a simple question. Where the fuck have you been pushing for ON's lynch? I've gone over every single one of your posts and aside from this one: OriginalName- + Show Spoiler + Seems solid at first glance, but there is no real reasoning other than he "knows" that gm is bad at scum. hmmmm You haven't pushed any lynch on ON. This is probably the only time you mention him aside from a "That makes 2 FoS on ON" throwaway comment. You haven't FoSed him at all. You haven't pushed for his lynch at all. On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote: I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up He's not even on your list. What's the dealo? You're lists are cute and all but aside from going after MonsterChef like he was going out of fashion, you've barely done anything. All you say is "He didn't explain himself, he voted GM, lots of people voted GM, MONSTERCHEF IS SCUM" which you pretty much trumpet every single post. Going after easy targets, making lists that really say nothing, FoS: redFF I know you're a newbie and all and I use to do similar things when I first started but this is not the way to play town. | ||
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On April 11 2011 12:00 redFF wrote: GM said he wanted to lynch an inactive if he got voted in so i posted a list of all the inactives. Ok so where's the push for ON? There is none. Also there is a difference between inactives and lurkers. I think someone already posted on this but inactives are people who haven't read/done anything in thread. They are probably bored townie. It's the lurkers we need to worry about. They've been following the thread but haven't posted a lot. Such as TranceStorm and ON. It's easy to say omg these three people haven't posted yet, mafia! but more than not they're just bored townies or overwhelmed newbies. What do you think about Kita, TranceStorm, Dropbear, and Wiggles? | ||
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April 11 2011 05:09 GMT
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ON Lanaia lol...how am I suppose to take you seriously when you include those two? ON has barely said anything new and lanaia has been mostly asking questions. Yeah ok. Present to me three posts from each that actually show they are playing clear pro-town and I'll acknowledge you are right though I'm sure finding even 1 is going to be hard | ||
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April 11 2011 05:23 GMT
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On April 11 2011 14:15 tnkted wrote: Sigh.. its late. I'll post my analysis tomorrow, I have like 9 hours of class I need to be ready for. -_- mondays suck. gnite yall! Answer my question pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. How is ON and lanaia playing pro town? | ||
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April 11 2011 17:03 GMT
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Chaoser: I am unsure if you are still in the running. I liked you as a candidate before. Since my last posts you have been slinging a lot of mud. Also, you edited a post. It may have been a mistake, but it warrants a mention. I am unsure about you. Someone asked another question before this, so I'll answer that as well. I am out of the running, no need to add more fish to the table to choose from. And it's not mud slinging, it's called pressure. Townies and Mafia react in certain ways when placed under pressure that is telling. It's pretty much what the aggressive playstyle is built on. Stir up some trouble, see what pokes its head out. Still sticking with my Prot vote. I think he's worth the trouble he might bring. | ||
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April 11 2011 17:04 GMT
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On April 12 2011 02:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective! | ||
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April 11 2011 17:07 GMT
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On April 12 2011 02:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote: Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective! I also suggest smoking a cigarette and wearing a trenchcoat during post analysis Dude, I listen to the Inception soundtrack when I play mafia. | ||
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April 11 2011 17:11 GMT
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Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Already stated this somewhere, you can go find it. Long story short, I think prot's positives are worth the negatives that he might bring with him. He's a better analyst than GM (no offense!) and he's giving us presents (Two guns and a check?! It must be Christmas) | ||
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April 11 2011 18:22 GMT
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April 11 2011 19:09 GMT
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I'm just trying to make sure people don't vote for someone like GM just because they see a lot of seemingly well reasoned posts on how pro-town he is. wut lol. I'm confused on this logic | ||
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April 11 2011 20:10 GMT
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April 11 2011 22:52 GMT
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On April 12 2011 07:25 tnkted wrote: Then make the pardoner save your first lynch. Its been suggested several times before. It would solve your problem entirely and would only cost us a lynch that is probably going to be town anyway. I have to go to class, i'll respond ot other points when i get back. So...we should just not lynch day 1 and allow mafia 4 free kills? | ||
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April 12 2011 03:00 GMT
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April 12 2011 03:50 GMT
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On April 12 2011 12:41 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 12:39 GGQ wrote: On April 12 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner? Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends... If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose. Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check? BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it 1) I highly doubt it would get to this point 2) If it got to that point we've already lost if it's like 2 town, 2 assassin, 1 mafia 3) I'd rather have proct be it so that if something like this does happen it's a foreseeable action while if mafia have it it could result in something we can't plan for at all | ||
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April 12 2011 03:52 GMT
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On April 12 2011 12:50 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 12:41 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 12:39 GGQ wrote: On April 12 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote: Didn't most town want proct as pardoner? Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends... If most of the town wants the assassin as pardoner then they really deserve to lose. Now that you know how weak (and even anti-town) the pardoner role is, why do you think that it's a bad deal for town to trade it for two kills and a role check? BECAUSE ITS ANTI TOWN if we are going to lynch the last mafia then Protac *has* to use it to by himslef an extra day to hunt out the last assassin If we are in a position to win with a lynch he has to disrupt us so he can still win, *and* we can't afford to lynch him for it If it's the last mafia, then we'll just lynch the last mafia with the next lynch? Pardoner can only pardon one lynch. Unless it's lylo, which is impossible because that would mean that protact is still around, which would mean that there's at least one bodyguard around, plus at least one more assassin, plus the mayor, etc. What situation can you imagine where Protact using the pardon spells dire doom for town? 1) I highly doubt it would get to this point 2) If it got to that point we've already lost if it's like 2 town, 2 assassin, 1 mafia 3) I'd rather have proct be it so that if something like this does happen it's a foreseeable action while if mafia have it it could result in something we can't plan for at all post on new page | ||
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April 12 2011 03:55 GMT
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April 12 2011 03:56 GMT
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On April 12 2011 12:54 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 12:53 kitaman27 wrote: Hey look, the Protact supporters have come out of hiding. Your glorious leader has just returned in time. Kita I think your supporters have to move their votes to me to make sure that the assassin dosn't get into the town elected roles. GM, respond to my post. When would it happen that proct being pardoner, would turn our game from winning to losing? | ||
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April 12 2011 04:06 GMT
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On April 12 2011 12:59 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 12:56 chaoser wrote: On April 12 2011 12:54 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 12:53 kitaman27 wrote: Hey look, the Protact supporters have come out of hiding. Your glorious leader has just returned in time. Kita I think your supporters have to move their votes to me to make sure that the assassin dosn't get into the town elected roles. GM, respond to my post. When would it happen that proct being pardoner, would turn our game from winning to losing? I dont know for sure, it would be a weird situation for sure, however its not impossible, and as policy we don't give ourselves the chance to lose stupidly. Its like giving coag a bomb, a poor idea. Let me ask you a question, what incentive does the assassin have to actually help town once elected? what is he afraid of, us lynching him? He knows we wont waste a lynch like that. So if you want him to have free reign then sure elect him, otherwise fight for the town, damnit. Assassin has tons of incentive: 1) Not getting his ass lynched (he can't pardon himself) cause he didn't help town Why would we not waste a lynch like that? It's not a wasted lynch. It's a game ending lynch to him. He doesn't want to lose obviously. It's not like his win condition is in direct opposition to ours. It's more like it's in parallel and maybe it like cross ours. I really don't think it will. I'd rather have someone I'm sure is black in office than this WIFOM tip toeing who you be red/green situation. Look how confused town is right now with all it's switch voting. 2) He helps us, we help him. If our DTs find an assassin, we can tell him when and where we want. That's a bargaining chip WE have. Why would he throw that service out the window? You went from no to assassin to maybe to vehemently no again. Can I ask why? I understood the transition for the first switch but what's the transition for the second switch? | ||
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April 12 2011 04:09 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:02 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:00 Conversion wrote: Why would mafia bandwagon a nonscum, or assassin, to pardoner? Someone explain this to me? Either because of the chaos it will cause (and there will be people scrutinizing him every minute of the day, and making accusations of him being scum) , or because he isn't an assassin at all, just a really, really ballsy mafia He'd be more like a retarded mafia, not a ballsy mafia. All the things that he would have to do to prove himself as "real assassin" would directly benefit town. Fake a shot? Less KP used by mafia (they'd have to stack or something and also this would cause suspicion) Fake a DT claim? We's see through it in a day. We control his actions. Yes he can do against us. But then he automatically loses the game. Why would he do that? | ||
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April 12 2011 04:15 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:11 Lemonwalrus wrote: The assassin does not have the same win condition as us. He will help us (or more likely make it look like he is helping us) in so far as we can get him closer to his win condition. If we vote proct in as mayor or pardoner we will be putting quite a few of the proverbial marbles into the hands of a man that does not have our best interests at heart. He wants meatshield bodyguards, and he is willing to promise you whatever it takes to get them. Don't vote for proct. I guess it comes down to trust and I trust prot as an assassin more than GM/DrH as ???. | ||
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April 12 2011 04:19 GMT
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1.) It absolutely is a wasted lynch, any easy lynch or a lynch that dosn't get scum is a wasted lynch. Mislynching is bad, but it gives information if town decided to hang protac it would be a wagon with no information, it would be just as bad as him getting off a pardon 1) We'd never want to mislynch for info anyway. 2) By the time it comes to a situation where we need to lynch him, we'd already have used his two shots and his check. I think that's a profit for us. Sorry you don't see it the same way. I'm sticking my vote on him. We talk about analysts and leaders for mayor and he's clearly shown that not only does he know how to analyse a situation with his previous posts but also that he's good at it. Much more than you are, no offense. | ||
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April 12 2011 04:21 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:18 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:16 Kenpachi wrote: mmm looks like something isnt going right. my vote on the wrong guy? I dont think so, but I am partial to myself since I know my alignment, if you want theres a nice third party assassin that dosn't share our objectives who is just drooling over your vote as his life depends on it. See there it is again. You've NEVER antagonized and vilified someone like that before. Your posts are usually just straight talk express. This game I've been getting weird vibes. Hope you ain't pulling a McCain. | ||
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April 12 2011 04:25 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:22 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:20 Kenpachi wrote: On April 12 2011 13:18 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 13:16 Kenpachi wrote: mmm looks like something isnt going right. my vote on the wrong guy? I dont think so, but I am partial to myself since I know my alignment, if you want theres a nice third party assassin that dosn't share our objectives who is just drooling over your vote as his life depends on it. im against voting Protact cause 1. He has KP 2. Assassins will kill him instead of a townie. 3. A KP disperses from the game entirely 4. The Endgame is easier. SEE KENPACHI GETS IT. YOU OTHER GUYS HAVE NO EXCUSE NOW. Everyone's so damn scared of this shit. If prot never came out we'd be in the same situation of assassins shooting into the crowd. What's the difference with him in office? We get to use his powers, assassins will still be shooting into the crowd. His positives outweigh his negatives. By far in my opinion. | ||
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April 12 2011 04:29 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:26 Lemonwalrus wrote: Mafia cannot be assassins Mafia will not kill each other an assassin mayors best play will be to try and direct lynches towards townies He wants all 8 mafia shooting into the town as long as possible he wants townies (some of which are his enemies) to die as quickly as possible voting a known assassin into mayor will help scum please point out a flaw in this logic if you can find one Thats the flaw. Why would voting an assassin into office help mafia again? | ||
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April 12 2011 04:32 GMT
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April 12 2011 04:34 GMT
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On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote: I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night. I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Claims he needs to catch up. On April 12 2011 08:49 jaminz wrote: ##Vote Doctor Helevetica Voted DrH hours in advance | ||
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April 12 2011 04:36 GMT
#1403
On April 12 2011 13:34 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:29 chaoser wrote: On April 12 2011 13:26 Lemonwalrus wrote: Mafia cannot be assassins Mafia will not kill each other an assassin mayors best play will be to try and direct lynches towards townies He wants all 8 mafia shooting into the town as long as possible he wants townies (some of which are his enemies) to die as quickly as possible voting a known assassin into mayor will help scum please point out a flaw in this logic if you can find one Thats the flaw. Why would voting an assassin into office help mafia again? The lines above the one you bolded are the explanation laid out in very simple terms he WANTS TOWNIES TO DIE it gets him closer to his win condition And him not being elected will somehow change this? Townies are going to die whether he wants them to or not. It's not in his hands to control. At least in this situation we get to have control of TWO KP and he'll use his last on assassin. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:37 GMT
#1409
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:42 GMT
#1418
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:48 GMT
#1429
On April 12 2011 13:45 GMarshal wrote: Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for . He just strikes me as scum. Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time Bullshit. Even when you didn't have time in Insane 2 you did it. You're playing different this game and I can feel it. You even did it in XXXVII in the pm circle with me and barundar. I don't know if it's you getting frustrated (which, even when you did, you didn't pull stuff like this) or something but you' | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:48 GMT
#1430
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:53 GMT
#1438
On April 12 2011 13:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor. I will do no such thing. Prot is, in my opinion, the best choice and I intend to stick by it. He's making great arguments and people are drowning him out with hyperbola and inflammatory rhetoric. I'm calling the bullshit out. He's explained the situation and it makes logical sense. People come in throwing out hate and a mud slinging campaign against him saying "HE'S BLACK HE'S BLACK BLACKKKKKK" to scare all the newbies into not voting him when his positive far outweigh his negatives (Already said this multiple times) | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:54 GMT
#1440
Well the first thing to do would be to vote for someone else besides the most likely scum of the bunch. Ideally we'd get DH as mayor and me as pardoner. We just need 3 to switch off of gmarshal. I trust that shit. Get on it people, 6 more minutes. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 04:56 GMT
#1445
Gmarshal: 13 DoctorHelvetica Lanaia Robellicose Coagulation OriginalName Mig AirbladeOrange M0nsterChef kevconsim darmousseh Kenpachi Serejai Barundar Lemonwalrus Kavdragon GMarshal tnkted Also, you'd think he people he has been suggesting as lynch targets such as ON and Monsterchef (both of which are here) would unvote him to save themselves but in the end they'll be safe cause he's settling on AirbladeOrange. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:01 GMT
#1460
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:02 GMT
#1464
Latrommi United States. April 12 2011 14:00. Posts 31 PM Profile Report Quote # ##Vote Gmarshal WTF where did this come from, a last minute vote by someone who has barely posted on GM. Yeah, Ok | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:05 GMT
#1479
On April 12 2011 14:03 AirbladeOrange wrote: Ah shit. I wished I had read Marshal's post before time expired. On April 12 2011 14:04 M0nsterChef wrote: Agh crap, I was seriously considering changing votes, just because of all the stuff that has happened recently, until I realized time was up. All of a fucking sudden people come out of the woodworks "just as time ends". | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:08 GMT
#1489
On April 12 2011 14:06 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:04 Latrommi wrote: On April 12 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote: Latrommi is one of Kita's followers.. i get it now Ok, there's suspicion. I get it. I had problems with getting the mafia forum's access, but got through with it enough to read a few pages before voting. ... ... ... ... I am speechless, why did you vote for me? having read only a few pages? Thats irresponsible! You should have put your vote on someone with no chance in order to abstain. You realize how terribly bad this makes you look? How forced. Usually you'd say "It's not like I can control them in voting it". It makes both of you look bad. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:08 GMT
#1492
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:12 GMT
#1503
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:18 GMT
#1517
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:23 GMT
#1524
On April 12 2011 14:22 BrownBear wrote: In addition, the following replacement has happened: bumatlarge is replacing lanaia. Say hi to bum, everyone! Nice | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:25 GMT
#1527
On April 12 2011 14:23 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:58 Kavdragon wrote: On April 12 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it. Unvote: GMarshal Vote: Dr.Helvetica I do this because I know that I don't have the time or the skill to argue with Dr.H. He's really good with words. Don't let him out of this one, town. Lynch him tomorrow. WOW this is so ANTI Town its not funny. Wtf are you thinking KAV.. Cause he thought GM was scum? Yeah. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:44 GMT
#1547
On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:50 GMT
#1548
On April 12 2011 14:44 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow. BTW, before anyone goes omg how you know what he was thinking?! It's in his fucking posts everywhere. He clearly trusts DrH more than GM, as do I. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:51 GMT
#1550
On April 12 2011 14:50 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:44 chaoser wrote: On April 12 2011 14:29 kitaman27 wrote: chaoser, why hide your intentions to support DrH in a last second vote? I didn't hide anything. I said I would vote Prot. You can see that I was slowly getting more and more suspicious of GM as the day went on. His play style is considerably different from what I know of him. It's not like it's a complete change either, it's just slight changes that are more what mafia would do. I'm not sure yet if he is or not but he's on my FoS screen for sure. I changed because I was less suspicious of DrH when compared to GM. Also I knew that Prot would have wanted me to vote DrH anyway cause he feels the exact same way about GM as I do. ON should have been lynched. GM switching to AirBladeOrange in case he got mayor sends off all kinds of scum bells. I'm going to do a PbP of ON soon and I hope to see him lynched tomorrow. how could you support a day 1 kav lynch. It just baffles me how you could be town and be OK with that. I wasn't ok with a day 1 kav lynch. I was hoping he wouldn't do it. I'm even less ok with a mafia in mayor position which is why I picked the lesser of two evils. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:54 GMT
#1552
On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote: I had a town read on marsh all game. Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit. A difference of opinions which only time will tell who is right. I hope you get some good scum reads like you usually do coag. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 05:56 GMT
#1554
On April 12 2011 14:55 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote: I had a town read on marsh all game. Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit. I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town. You really think mafia would go out of his way to try to help newbies get involved and more active within the game even though it would be "easy conversation"? Mafia wants newbies to be lurky and inactive so that they can hide amongst them. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 06:05 GMT
#1558
On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened. GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that. Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion. I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 06:06 GMT
#1559
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 06:13 GMT
#1562
On April 12 2011 15:09 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 15:05 chaoser wrote: On April 12 2011 15:02 bumatlarge wrote: Ok First off let me get this out of the way. Reading through, I was pretty certain Kav and kitaman were town. I felt they were obvious mayor picks over the competition. Dr. H is playing really aggressively, and I am not convinced that is that helpful for town after everyone including scum agreed that we need a leader-ish thing. Dr.H will lead to a lot of clashing, but whats done is done, so Im going to ignore that Kav was lynched, pretend it never happened. GMarshal and chaoser are scum. I will try to get the analysis done tonight, but I defintely won't be including recent events, as I'm not halfway through the thread. Prot should never have been considered for mayoral position since in no way shape or form is he ever going to fufill a leader/analysis role. Catastrophe waiting to happen. He could be scum, but let assasins hit him, it destroys the normal KP that would be happening, and it gives town such an advantage that it never would have had til later. Knowing who is throwing KP around gives very solid trails. Every PYP game will show you that. Im probably repeating what somebody already said, so you can ignore that. I am absolutely baffled at how you let GMarshal get pardoner, it blows my mind. Have you read his posts? The wishiest washiest "This is what this guy said, this is what I agree with and points on what happening BLAHBLAHBLAH" Nonsense posts. Haven't found a single useful one. Town meta my ass. He's scum. Chaoser same thing. You can't even start an arguement that they both ran for mayor. Go look at pages 15-25 and how many time chaoser switches his votes around. There is no reason to do any of that so early since mayor picks are usually whims anyway. It just causes confusion. I guess you haven't read all of the thread...I've been calling GM scum for a while now. I was even one of the last few votes to push him out of mayor seat. If he is scum he just have to lynch him before he can effectively lose his pardon. I switched from Prot I think to Myself back to Prot in the beginning Have you analyzed him yet? Given something that town can be convinced of that he is scum? Or have you just "accused" him. Last game, I blatantly stated orgolove was mafia, and RoL was the first person to agree with me. RoL was scum. Just sit tight choaser, and get your frownie face emoticons ready. I guess I'll twiddle my thumbs too? I actually have analyzed him to a certain degree. I stated that the people voting for him are the ones he's threatening to lynch but in the end he chose AirbladeOrange. He said that he was very sure ON was mafia and would lynch him in the beginning but then picked on AO instead. I've already written somewhat on the fact that I think ON is mafia so this sent off big warnings for me. I also said that his play style is different from what it was last game but slightly different which makes me think he is mafia since it's a forced difference. If I was mafia there's no reason for me to make last minute moves on him and also to come down so strongly on him. Read the last few pages, I've been pretty much all over him. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 06:27 GMT
#1564
On April 12 2011 15:09 bumatlarge wrote: Have you analyzed him yet? Given something that town can be convinced of that he is scum? Or have you just "accused" him. Last game, I blatantly stated orgolove was mafia, and RoL was the first person to agree with me. RoL was scum. Just sit tight choaser, and get your frownie face emoticons ready. BTW, I haven't been wishy washy with my votes. On April 11 2011 02:39 chaoser wrote: ##vote: Prot On April 12 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote: ##unvote Prot ##Vote DrH My only two votes in the voting thread. I think I said I would vote myself once between these two but I didn't even actually do it. So yeah. Getting on ON PbP now | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 07:10 GMT
#1569
+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2011 13:33 OriginalName wrote: Well GMarshal you actually put forward an agreeable plan. Lynching My really base reads right now are GMarshal is town. Ive been on a scumteam with him he has more holes than swiss cheese. However as a mayor I would like to know what his plans are after Day 1 as lets face it D1 lynch is a damn crapshoot 80% of the time and when I vote I want more long term goals and ideas in mind Im not amazing at reads however if people do put forward them I will take the time to look at their scum reads. Another thing - one thing I picked up from a vet and I think we ought to start doing is analysing tge posts of those nightkilled. Imagine if we looked at GMs reads in insane 2 GF may have been outed faster creating a completely different game (ie Blacks wouldnt have made enough money for the names). So there ##Vote Gmarshal and all dat jazz. He gives super shitty reasoning to voting GM, basically saying he'd vote for him cause GM said he would lynch lurkers. He asks GM what GM's plans are for the future, GM doesn't really ever address it and then ON never mentions it ever again. Interesting enough, he votes for GM hours after this post On April 11 2011 06:07 OriginalName wrote: ##Vote Gmarshal Just before this post, however, Prot did his ballsy move of claiming Assassin and running for office. But ON doesn't respond to it or acknowledges it even though it was a mere 15 minutes before his post when it was the talk of the town. (Prot claimed at 13:18) + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:03 OriginalName wrote: Back from RL issues. Im gonna recap to myself what happened along wkth opinions Protact getting support - Why is near confirmed non town getting an elected role. PANDAIN CLAIMING DT - What. The. Fuck. Was my first reaction. my second how do we know hes not lying. Sure theres no counterclaim but who would counterclaim D1 DT, theres likely more than one so how would we know yatta yatta add in wifom done mafia has a free dt kill D1 we get no breadcrumbs. Second its completely safe for panda to claim DT as scum. Scumteam elects him as Godfather and even if DT checks and confirms its like DF all over again (minus the D2 victory). How has Pandain only gotten the your an idiot reaction- Hes just abusing his metagame to fuck with town FOS Pandain Im goin to keep my vote on GM cause as wishy washy as people are making him out to be hes still quite protown. He repeats the exact same thing that's been said multiple times by people, picking two of the easiest topics to talk about. Doesn't look at Kav, kita, or fully at GM. Im goin to keep my vote on GM cause as wishy washy as people are making him out to be hes still quite protown He even continues to say that GM is wishy washy but he's still protown On April 11 2011 06:58 OriginalName wrote: My scum reads: Pandain - Fakeclaim into lolno sorry not DT Protact - Assassin or Mafia Kavs arguement against him is solid My not sure reads: DrH - Why so aggro bro? Leaning scum Chaoser - Leaning pro town would be imo a great pardoner Everyone not listed (Most leaning town to various degrees) Town Reads: Kavdragon - This is not his scum style at all GMarshal Tnk Quoting DrH for this one On April 11 2011 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: great analysis thx 4 contributing He says almost nothing that is his own, puts out weak ass one line analysis. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=45#888 First real analysis of any sort on Mig and comes up with lurking townie. Not much to say + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 09:20 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 09:12 Coagulation wrote: to be fair i would like to see GM as mayor and Doch as pardoner. Thanks for being sane Coag ^_^ Also redFF the reason im restating something is because SOME PEOPLE *cough* are not getting the picture Protact and scumhunt his ass off and I wouldnt get an honest shit about most of his opinions, and neither should you. Im merely picking THE ONE CANDIDATE that is actually feasable in my mind. Kav just has too much heat on him to deserve 2 bodyguards at this point. DrH i have my worries towards but in my mind hes still a better choice for a pardoner then an Assassin, do note ASSASSINS ARE NOT TOWN I dont care if he decides that he cant backstab us HES NOT TOWN, he could be fakeclaiming red to try to get into an advantagous position what does that mean HES STILL NOT TOWN! a TOWNIE MAYOR is better than a NON-TOWNIE MAYOR Pleas go back and note the difference between TOWN and NON-TOWN (ie SCUM). Clearly says he did not read/care much for Protact's posts. Still doesn't give solid reasons why GM is feasible in his mind. On April 12 2011 14:14 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? Not in tge slightest Extreme Finger of Suspicion: DocterHelvetica On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote: On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me. But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is. Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player Counter argues that his point is WIFOM by saying the argument against him is...WIFOM. Very much against DrH and all over him. On April 12 2011 14:22 OriginalName wrote: i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much. Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that. Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time. Backs off when the heat comes on. Two things are suspicious to me. 1) He bounced when Prot's post came on, waited till later to respond to it 2) Never gives good reasons to vote GM 3) Repeats things others have been saying This combined with my uneasiness with GM and also GM's late change of his lynch target should he have been lynched from ON to AO makes me think he is scum | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 07:20 GMT
#1570
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 09:05 GMT
#1578
You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 22:14 GMT
#1648
On April 13 2011 07:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 06:56 Robellicose wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise: On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo. redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing). However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment: On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so. Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie: + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote: I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote: btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^ I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote: On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote: On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote: I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote: My Thoughts on the Game First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote: On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote: Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. would you mind reformatting this post? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 22:37 GMT
#1653
On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity. ....my brain hurts from reading this analogy... | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 12 2011 22:49 GMT
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 04:41 GMT
#1712
Darm: On April 10 2011 15:36 darmousseh wrote: Wow, Protactinium is either a genius or an idiot. Only time will tell, but for the sake of town, having a pro-town player ensures that we will have someone in the best interest of town the entire game, rather than having someone who might suddenly switch in order to make things in his favor. I do like the ballsy play and it's better than voting in a scum, but i don't know. Sounds like a dangerous idea. FoS Kav, This might just be a meta thing, but I am not getting a huge town vibe out of you. I'm guessing you are an assassin though since if you were scum you probably would be a little more vocal. I generally like gmarshal, but I hope someone else runs for the vice-mayor role as I don't know what to think of chaoser just yet. Gmarshal is definitely a great asset to town and should be kept alive and be given extra voting privileges. ##Vote: Gmarshal He says this and yet when GM bounced around a bit he still voted him On April 11 2011 08:31 darmousseh wrote: Wow guys, seriously stop with the spam, there are too many people in this game to have 40 pages already!!!!!! I like Kav's reasoning the best even though I Fos'd you yesterday. I don't feel comfortable with someone who has a different objective being mayor, but pardoner is fine. I'm sticking with my gmarshal vote because I feel comfortable with him as mayor. I'm not getting a good read on DrH just yet. Backtracks off Kav On April 11 2011 16:17 darmousseh wrote: Ok, time to post again. Kav is playing very forcefully and seemingly intentionally. I'll stick with my idea that he is black. Gmarshal seems like a find decision right now, kita would be back up vote or pardoner. I highly not reccomend voting for a black for mayor because his goals are not going to align with towns. If he wants to screw town with his powers, then there is nothing to stop him. The other thing is that I think prot is probably red. If I was mafia and wanted to become mayor, I would claim black and do his plan. It is very intentional, very controversial and has been able to convince people to follow him. It's a risky move, but if it works, then it gives him a huge advantage. Very much against Prot being in office, says he is probably mafia. On April 11 2011 16:27 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon lol, i like this plan DrH. I will probably switch my vote for you. Most Pro-town post by far. But then, even though this whole time he was against Prot being in office, all of a sudden he changes his stance and says DrH's plan was "the most pro-town of all" when previous he had said Prot was probably red. Why would you want Prot in office then, regardless of if he is red or black? On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Again says he is weary prot...and kav + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 02:42 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:13 Barundar wrote: On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote: On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check You are moving up my scumlist I usually don't answer stuff like this because it's just trying to get people to react in a certain manner etc, but day 1 is always speculative. The only things we can go off so far is prot claiming. The other million posts in the thread are just useless "Lynch all lairs, lynch/dont lynch inactices, lynch lurkers" fluff which ver already wrote a good thread about and trying to argue whether it's good or not for a non town-aligned player to have a town favorable role (mayor) which is obviously idiotic without having to even argue against it. There are 2 types of people on day 1, spammers and lurkers. If you aren't spamming then, "omg you are a lurker you scum". I find that this analysis is usually wrong. Good scum will play the same as they normally do when they are scum or town, but it's the little things (like the words themselves) which give an indication whether a person is trying to act intentionally or just aggressively. This is why I believe that Kav is black, his posts seem "forced", but not forced enough when he was scum and he is playing safe, which is why I think he is black. I've been scum and town with kav before in the past and my read on him is based on those past games and while I think gmarshal is town, I think DrH is more town and is better suited for mayor at this point. I was a little weary of DrH only because he didn't believe me when I came up with a plan in mini-mafia (which ended up partially costing the game), but that is the past and I think he is a good person to lead town. Either him or gmarshal would be good candidates, going with DrH based on gut. On April 12 2011 14:55 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote: I had a town read on marsh all game. Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit. I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town. lol...look at all this wishy washy posting Lynch Darm or Lynch ON on Day 2. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 04:53 GMT
#1715
Darm: On April 10 2011 15:36 darmousseh wrote: Wow, Protactinium is either a genius or an idiot. Only time will tell, but for the sake of town, having a pro-town player ensures that we will have someone in the best interest of town the entire game, rather than having someone who might suddenly switch in order to make things in his favor. I do like the ballsy play and it's better than voting in a scum, but i don't know. Sounds like a dangerous idea. FoS Kav, This might just be a meta thing, but I am not getting a huge town vibe out of you. I'm guessing you are an assassin though since if you were scum you probably would be a little more vocal. I generally like gmarshal, but I hope someone else runs for the vice-mayor role as I don't know what to think of chaoser just yet. Gmarshal is definitely a great asset to town and should be kept alive and be given extra voting privileges. ##Vote: Gmarshal He says this and yet when GM bounced around a bit he still voted him. Later on he changes his vote for Dr.H but I want you to notice that he says a pro-town player is someone who doesn't "suddenly switch in order to make things in his favor" On April 11 2011 08:31 darmousseh wrote: Wow guys, seriously stop with the spam, there are too many people in this game to have 40 pages already!!!!!! I like Kav's reasoning the best even though I Fos'd you yesterday. I don't feel comfortable with someone who has a different objective being mayor, but pardoner is fine. I'm sticking with my gmarshal vote because I feel comfortable with him as mayor. I'm not getting a good read on DrH just yet. Backtracks off Kav even though just before he was FoSing him. On April 11 2011 16:17 darmousseh wrote: Ok, time to post again. Kav is playing very forcefully and seemingly intentionally. I'll stick with my idea that he is black. Gmarshal seems like a find decision right now, kita would be back up vote or pardoner. I highly not reccomend voting for a black for mayor because his goals are not going to align with towns. If he wants to screw town with his powers, then there is nothing to stop him. The other thing is that I think prot is probably red. If I was mafia and wanted to become mayor, I would claim black and do his plan. It is very intentional, very controversial and has been able to convince people to follow him. It's a risky move, but if it works, then it gives him a huge advantage. Very much against Prot being in office, says he is probably mafia. On April 11 2011 16:27 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon lol, i like this plan DrH. I will probably switch my vote for you. Most Pro-town post by far. But then, even though this whole time he was against Prot being in office, all of a sudden he changes his stance and says DrH's plan was "the most pro-town of all" even though it involved putting Prot in office as a pardoner. Darm had previous said that he suspected Prot was probably red. Why would you want Prot in office then? He even says he doesn't trust black in office either so regardless of whether he thought Prot was red or black, why was he ok with DrH's plan? On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Again says he is weary prot...and kav. Notice the slight changes in his stances. At first he was very against them, saying he didn't trust Prot at all and now he's softened his stance on him. This whole time he's been soft on Kav too, as if he didn't want to take too strong a stance on Kav least he flipped green (which he did) + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 02:42 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:13 Barundar wrote: On April 12 2011 02:04 darmousseh wrote: On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? No, I don't think GM is scum, but I think the odds that DrH is pro-town is higher than GM at this point based on what I've read in the thread. Also, I'm very weary of kav and prot, which DrH agrees with. Provide no reasons for thoughts on alignment: Check Confuse plans with alignments: Check You are moving up my scumlist I usually don't answer stuff like this because it's just trying to get people to react in a certain manner etc, but day 1 is always speculative. The only things we can go off so far is prot claiming. The other million posts in the thread are just useless "Lynch all lairs, lynch/dont lynch inactices, lynch lurkers" fluff which ver already wrote a good thread about and trying to argue whether it's good or not for a non town-aligned player to have a town favorable role (mayor) which is obviously idiotic without having to even argue against it. There are 2 types of people on day 1, spammers and lurkers. If you aren't spamming then, "omg you are a lurker you scum". I find that this analysis is usually wrong. Good scum will play the same as they normally do when they are scum or town, but it's the little things (like the words themselves) which give an indication whether a person is trying to act intentionally or just aggressively. This is why I believe that Kav is black, his posts seem "forced", but not forced enough when he was scum and he is playing safe, which is why I think he is black. I've been scum and town with kav before in the past and my read on him is based on those past games and while I think gmarshal is town, I think DrH is more town and is better suited for mayor at this point. I was a little weary of DrH only because he didn't believe me when I came up with a plan in mini-mafia (which ended up partially costing the game), but that is the past and I think he is a good person to lead town. Either him or gmarshal would be good candidates, going with DrH based on gut. On April 12 2011 14:55 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:52 Coagulation wrote: I had a town read on marsh all game. Doch is the only one that made me skeptical with the lynch kav shit. I'm mostly in agreement with this, but it's because I had a anti-town read on kav, and the way he went down was very anti-town. I was considering switching the vote for gmarshal towards the end, but kav just screwed town. lol...finally, look at all this wishy washy posting. He continues to take soft stances, "suddenly switch in order to make things in his favor", and generally can't make up his mind on anything. Lynch Darm or Lynch ON on Day 2. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 04:59 GMT
#1719
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 05:03 GMT
#1723
On April 13 2011 14:02 darmousseh wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote: Really? Cause I remember Ver doing it to great effect The reason it's terrible is because let's say I die at night, all of a sudden people are suspicious of you. It's just bad, wait until day post at least. lol why are you do worried about me? Shouldn't you suspect that I'm mafia or something? If you die, so be it. I doubt it'll bring suspicion to me | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 05:04 GMT
#1724
On April 13 2011 14:03 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 14:02 darmousseh wrote: On April 13 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote: Really? Cause I remember Ver doing it to great effect The reason it's terrible is because let's say I die at night, all of a sudden people are suspicious of you. It's just bad, wait until day post at least. lol why are you so worried about me? Shouldn't you suspect that I'm mafia or something? If you die, so be it. I doubt it'll bring suspicion to me It's almost like you KNOW i'm townie | ||
chaoser
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April 13 2011 05:06 GMT
#1725
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 05:19 GMT
#1735
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 05:31 GMT
#1739
On April 13 2011 14:30 ilovejonn wrote: No blacks tried to hit flamewheel/prot? o_O It's night 1. They can't use hits till night 2 | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 07:31 GMT
#1787
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 07:32 GMT
#1789
On April 13 2011 16:30 Coagulation wrote: Im Vigi I got an easy solution here. WATCH ASSASSINS RAPE HIM NIGHT 2. He Flips assassin or scum IM CLEARED. ITS SO SIMPLE. On April 13 2011 16:30 Coagulation wrote: sorry i ment Vet i got my V's mixed up Im fucking infuriated that he would fucking lie like this. lol | ||
chaoser
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April 13 2011 07:56 GMT
#1806
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 08:15 GMT
#1827
But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. Obviously lynch Coag, let him die to assassins is the best option. If Coag is green, ain't no one going to be protecting him, he's going to be dead. If Coag is red, we pat ourselves on the back for a good lynch and deal with him later. Win win. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 08:17 GMT
#1829
a)In order to get the medic protection he'd have to be correct about Chaoser. This is a huge gamble. Wait, what'd he say about me? lol I'm tired from writing a paper, did I miss something? | ||
chaoser
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April 13 2011 08:31 GMT
#1852
On April 13 2011 17:27 Coagulation wrote: yes my role is vet Lol...your normal play is pretty crazy in your face. I fear what a Vet Coag would actually do seeing at how he'd not be afraid of getting shot at. But you didn't =/ So, yeah lol | ||
chaoser
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April 13 2011 08:34 GMT
#1861
but really if me and protact and scum why would we go through SO MUCH effort to kill COAGULATION ITS COAGULATION lol, i laffed | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 08:43 GMT
#1878
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 08:55 GMT
#1891
On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote: why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN. I remember in XXXVII you were perfectly ok with doing this with LSB's fake bait n' switch plan | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 15:09 GMT
#1942
[code] 1) Prot is Assassin 2) Prot is Mafia 3) Prot is Blue [/codes] Assassin On April 13 2011 17:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Let me stress this again one more time. The only way Protactinium can get a win off this play is if he and Coagulation are the two assassins. This assumes that: -Coagulation is an assassin -There are only two assassins in the game. I find the second prospect highly unlikely. In the event of 3 assassins, Protactinium is almost guaranteed loss. I seriously doubt this is a bid for medic protection and honestly I don't care because: a)In order to get the medic protection he'd have to be correct about Coag. This is a huge gamble. b)This will still give him a real check on night 2 to use again in our favor, particularly if he strikes red with it. This benefits town. However this play could also make sense under a third condition: Protactinium and Coagulation are both red. An early bus like this puts Protactinium in a position where he is trusted and he could simply spend the rest of the game saying he never got another red check while busting out misleading analysis. I find this very unlikely. Detective is imo the trickiest and worst claim for a mafia to make and he really had no reason to be desperate. If he wanted to avoid getting hit by assassins he could have just made a safe claim that's easy to fake like Veteran or Vigilante. Mafia He's either bussing a teammate or he's lying. If Coag flips red, awesome, we killed a read. If Coag flips green we know he's lying. Either way, we don't protect and let assassins deal with it. Cool? If he is mafia, he just died to night kills. Awesome. Detective People are saying his moves don't make sense when they actually do. 1) He claims assassin to draw out opposition against him from mafia/assassins 2) He "messes" up the assassin count to throw assassins off. At the same time, he gives a count to take mafia off his back. Why use a KP on an assassin when others will take care of him soon? (even so, it's not like they can do anything anyway Night 1) 3) He checks one off the list that appears of people who are 100% against him 4) He hits red, he tells town. EZ LYNCH So whether he is assassin, mafia, or detective, all we need to do is lynch coag and don't protect prot for a win-win situation. If he's lying, he'll get killed by assassins since they wouldn't want to risk him actually being assassin. If he's telling the truth, we just lynched mafia, pat ourselves on the back. Either way we don't protect him and let assassins deal with it. Cool? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 15:13 GMT
#1943
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 15:19 GMT
#1944
1) Lynch Coag 2) Don't protect Prot Best Move For Town. Doesn't matter what happens, it removes WIFOM and it catches us atleast one red. If Prot is black he wouldn't be doing this. If you're going to claim he's doing this all for the lulz then I'mma laugh at you because you're fucking scum for trying to push the point that he's playing a move that's less logical than the situation I've explained. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 15:38 GMT
#1948
On April 14 2011 00:32 GMarshal wrote: I can argue against it! Here is why: we have a *confirmed* liar telling us to lynch someone who you think *might* be lying, normally I would argue that we lynch the liar first and take it from there. But you point out that both are going to die is irrlevant, as policy we don't lynch on a liar's claims, period. This is a waste of a lynch if coag is what he claims, a vet. I have an alternate suggestion, ignore the two, have a vigi hit coag tonight, if his claim is false then coag is dead, wham we got scum, if he is telling the truth we have a confirmed townie. In the meantime assassins take care of protac for us, no need to expend a lynch on a situation that is easily resolvable. Instead we can direct our lynch at a real scum supect, like M0nster or AO. I think this is the best solution to the problem. lol. Why is it a waste again? We get a 1 for 1. There's almost no way FW is assassin. The chances of him being assassin are so low it's not even feasible in my mind. If he is assassin this is the worst play ever and would only work out in his favor if coag is the only other assassin around. But even considering that he MIGHT be assassin and that he is making the worst play ever, we don't protect him and it all sorts itself out by end of night. Liars shouldn't be trusted when they lead us into a mindfuck of a situation where the moves we make will have unclear results and the results are varied, some in out favor, some not. In this situation, every result is in our favor if we 1) lynch coag 2) don't protect prot In that situation I say we do it | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 15:41 GMT
#1949
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 16:01 GMT
#1951
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 16:09 GMT
#1952
On April 14 2011 01:01 GMarshal wrote: Why are you suggesting we waste our lynch? There is litereally no chance of prot/fw being dt. None. fw is a vet, he knows what he is doing. What "advantages" does he gain from fakeclaiming assassin day 1? he "lures out reds?" He self proclaims his ability as a scum hunter yet he runs claiming a third party wincon? As a dt he could claim dt, get in office and rape scum with both analysis and his dt checks. Instead he uses a convoluted plan? This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people. See what he did last day and what he’s doing now. He is gambling on getting med protection. His actions have shown he is in no means a dt. It is anti town to play the way he has and he certainly cannot claim inexperience. In a setup with a known liar claiming dt and finding scum you lynch the accuser. Lynching the accused tells you nothing about the accuser. You always lynch the accuser first. Add in the rule of Lynch all Liars you have the person you should be lynching first. Coag has also claimed a role that is provable with a night hit. Shoot him and get a confirmed townie to rally around! Mafia has to waste hits killing him, medics can prot him and we make the mafia uncomfortable. Seems like a better investment than lynching and moving on. It makes most sense to Lynch neither of them. Vigi coag Assassins will almost deff shoot prot, and we lynch someone that we aren’t relying on a third parties “word” is red. Seriously is it that hard to see? Nah yo, if you're mafia then this is the BEST reason to lynch coag. Mafia's best play if coag was mafia is to pardon him. We're forcing your hand if that's the case. Why put off something we're sure of. Why waste a shot on coag when we could use them on other scum? As a dt he could claim dt, get in office and rape scum with both analysis and his dt checks. You saw what happened to Pandain when he claimed DT. He was destroyed by town. A DT claim would cause massive scrutiny by all and in the end he would learn nothing. An assassin claim would only really cause scum, another blacks, and a few townies to be against him. It's a brilliant plan This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people. If he thinks you're mafia then this play would make sense. Rather have a townie mayor make a mistake Day 1 Lynch than a mafia in office. You yourself even said that you might consider Kav as the day went on yesterday btw. You even said he was acting scummy and posting for the sake of posting with his "help". Are you backtracking that? See what he did last day and what he’s doing now. He is gambling on getting med protection. Whatever happens we don't give him medic protect. BAM. Resolves your issue. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#1953
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 16:35 GMT
#1956
Also, @Dr.H I'm willing to consider a kav lynch, if you provide me with solid reasoning, I have a 70% town read on kav atm, can you point out what he has said that makes you think he is scum? It dosn't have to be terribly detailed, just the salient points of why. Kavdragon- He has some really scummy posts, give him a looksee Kav, are you aware that there is a guide that pretty much covers that? Also I hate to say this, but that is a major example of a noncontributing post that looks like a fucking huge wall of text imo, because it is actualy irrelevant to the current situation, it in no way helps the newbies choose a mayor or make any major decisions at the moment. I applaud the effort though, and I agree with the majority of the ideas contained therein My only worry about you in power kav is that your 3rd party play in insane 2 was so good that Im afraid you could be scum and be getting away with it here. Look at this wishy washy bullshit. You pepper, IN THE SAME POSTS, positions that Kav might be scum....OR MIGHT BE TOWN. And then you post this stuff: This is the same experienced player that then last minute voteswings a mayoral vote and gets a known town analyzer killed. A town member who was posting helpfully to new players, as well as analyzing people. Like you were compeletely against Kav's lynch the whole entire time. Yeah, ok lol | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 16:48 GMT
#1961
On April 14 2011 01:44 Barundar wrote: Will you two stop it please and start pressuring people that are content just letting you fight it out. "It's forgotten" - Vincent, Gattaca | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 17:30 GMT
#1968
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 17:51 GMT
#1973
Pretty sure you are dead Cubed... | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 17:52 GMT
#1974
darmousseh the Tracker is now dead. tnkted the Townie is now dead. CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead. Pandain the Vigilante is now dead. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 18:01 GMT
#1980
On April 14 2011 02:55 kevconsim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 02:51 chaoser wrote: CubEdIn the Nosy Neighbor is now dead. Pretty sure you are dead Cubed... Why would you want him dead if you are town? wut lol. I don't want him dead, the day post said he was dead. I didn't see the second post by BrownBear saying that Cubed was AGAIN replacing someone else (Latrommi). I don't even remember who he was FIRST replacing. OP even says Cubed is dead lol. Can the OP be updated to show that Cubed isn't dead, who is actually dead, and who Cubed finally replaced? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 18:15 GMT
#1986
Killing coag gives us no information, and I as a policy don't lynch for information, I lynch scum! If lynching coag gives no information, how does that contradict with your policy stance of not lynching for information? Sure theres a .001% possibility fw is a dt, but lynching coag proves nothing at all! even if coag flipped red, we still would have no idea whether fw got lucky/great analysis or if he is an actual DT, he has *lied* copiously, *nothing* he says can be believed. More like 70% DT in my books based on what I'm reading in thread but besides that, are you saying that coag flipping red and us lynching him is NOT a good thing? You know, I've done a decent amount of analyzing people's posts and I remember you were all for that in Insane 2 and not getting caught up in plans and whatnot. Why don't we let town decide and you can go analyze someone. I really want to see some. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 18:15 GMT
#1987
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 22:42 GMT
#2061
On April 14 2011 07:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote: If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW? Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks? It won't matter because he will die to assassins on Night 2. That way we don't even have to waste a KP, lynch on him =D Blacks will take care of it for us just because there's a very high chance he's BLACK if Coag flips green. If Coag flips red then yayyyy. Either way we get rid of red/KP from the game | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 22:51 GMT
#2069
1. GMarshal pardons coag. We get two mafia. yayyyy 2. We had one vigi, he is dead. Generally we try to play as if there are no blues. Blues help town win but town only wins by pulling it's own weight. 3. Flamewheel is bussing coag and if the stories I hear about his analytical skills are true, he proceeds to mislead the town all the way to a mafia win. We don't protect him come night, he dies to assassins either way since they don't want to take a chance. Red either just lost 2 reds, 1 black just exited the field, or it's a 1:1 trade. (1:1 trade is actually bad for town in this case since a blue DT Prot would greatly help town but we can see when the time comes) | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 23:57 GMT
#2088
b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. I did all of these too. Why don't you... | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 13 2011 23:59 GMT
#2090
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 00:15 GMT
#2097
"even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. BTW, that's almost NEVER a scumtell. Scum wants people to think they're town. They post very safely usually, especially newer players like Rean who have played like 3 games total. One of them was insane and the other was death factory, both abnormal games. Newer players generally don't go all out attacking other players and then back their logic up with "even if he's town, let's just kill him" since they'd be vetting their posts super crazy. I think it was Ver that said townies can dare to post fearlessly, while mafia are restricted to posting fearfully. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. To be honest, a lot of newbies think lynching solely for info is a good idea. Heck I thought it tons when I first started. If you look at early games in the Mafia forum we use to lynch a lot for info. Of course back then we had list checks...but i think logically, saying lynching for info makes sense since every lynch gives info inherently. Your case on Rean is weak at the moment but I'd be willing to take a second look at a later time | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 00:19 GMT
#2099
To be honest, a lot of newbies think lynching solely for info is a good idea. Heck I thought it tons when I first started. If you look at early games in the Mafia forum we use to lynch a lot for info. Of course back then we had list checks...but i think logically, saying lynching for info makes sense since every lynch gives info inherently. To better explain this. It's an easy logical leap to say, we lynched a green, most of the people wanting to lynch him but didn't vote for it/were wishy washy about it are red! We lynched a red, most of the people defending him vehemently must be red! This is true especially for newbies just getting into games. When vets are doing it is when you start calling them out on it. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 00:42 GMT
#2108
On April 14 2011 09:28 LSB wrote: Contradictions arn't a 100% scum tell. Contradictions are a symptom of fake scumhunting and manipulation. Rean doesn't seem like the one to be manipulative and he doesn't done any scumhunting yet. Exactly. While contradictions are suspicious. it's the subtle contradictions that are the most suspicious. I'll be keeping my eye on rean but his contradictions are full 180 degree. It's more the wishy washy people who can't seem to take a side that are likely to be scum. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 01:39 GMT
#2120
On April 14 2011 10:37 GMarshal wrote: Oh, actually I do want to hear one response from the assassin Flamewheel, what result, exactly did coag return? He said coag returned mafia didnt he | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 02:28 GMT
#2151
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 03:32 GMT
#2186
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 04:11 GMT
#2204
...did you...did you really just say that? You're switch targets from the person you "checked and flipped red" to GM? If GM pardons Coag we still get two mafia. Man...losing trust very very fast lol | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 04:16 GMT
#2208
On April 13 2011 16:30 Coagulation wrote: Im Vigi I got an easy solution here. WATCH ASSASSINS RAPE HIM NIGHT 2. He Flips assassin or scum IM CLEARED. ITS SO SIMPLE. On April 13 2011 16:30 Coagulation wrote: sorry i ment Vet i got my V's mixed up Im fucking infuriated that he would fucking lie like this. I still find this scummy as fuck btw. I'll sleep on this, will vote tomorrow | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 04:16 GMT
#2209
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 04:22 GMT
#2213
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 05:32 GMT
#2224
You may invoke the power at any time during the day cycle you choose, and no lynch will happen that day. If he pardons there's no lynch that day so we can't do anything against it Mr. Wiggles. BTW, I still think you're scum GM and I still think ON/LSB is scum. I've already analyzed ON previously but if you look at LSB's posting all day today it's a complete chainsaw defense of Coag onto Prot. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 05:03 LSB wrote: Take a look at Flamewheel's analysis http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=88#1752 He's calling Coagulation scummy because all coagulation has been doing is Show nested quote + But that's not all. The whole game, he is useless and does nothing except spam and spread doubt on the mayoral candidates. The more interesting and important point though, is that he has an utter lack of conviction on who could be mafia. It completely ignores Coag's town play. You guys have played with coag before. All he does is spam, and yell at people. I have never seen Coag do analysis. In addition, Flamewheel is saying Coagulation is red for two things 1) Going against his campaign 2) Trying to not get kavdragon lynched + Show Spoiler + Btw why was kavdragon lynched? I just seems stupid that you guys would lynch him These aren't mafia traits. These are completely town traits. I don't see why it benefits the town to have an SK as a mayor. And I don't see why you guys should have lynched Kavdragon. So why are you blindly following Flamewheel? Just because he's a vet? If you don't think he is blue, lynch him. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote: Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 05:09 LSB wrote: This picture was only to get you to read this post Why you should lynch Flamewheel. Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons. 1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2 2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead. This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch himHe gets so into it that he says that we should lynch Flamewheel whether he is black or red when clearly if he's black he can just leave him for the assassins to pick apart. + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 05:08 ilovejonn wrote: I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him. Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions. It's not happening. Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways? From what I've read Coagulation is red because 1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black 2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched 3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful Defends coag, in fact, this whole day he's been only focusing on coag's defense Even responds to a rean FoS by saying he doesn't think rean is all that scummy but would rather lynch rean over coag when coag hasn't done a single thing that rean hasn't done, both have been useless to town. On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote: Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. On April 14 2011 09:28 LSB wrote: Contradictions arn't a 100% scum tell. Contradictions are a symptom of fake scumhunting and manipulation. Rean doesn't seem like the one to be manipulative and he doesn't done any scumhunting yet. ends everything with a nice: On April 14 2011 10:47 LSB wrote: Can we lynch Flamewheel now? when, if FW is black, then we wouldn't want to waste one on him ##Vote ON/LSB | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 05:41 GMT
#2228
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 05:55 GMT
#2230
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 06:18 GMT
#2232
On April 14 2011 15:17 AirbladeOrange wrote: Didn't ON get replaced? ON, LSB, same thing. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 06:22 GMT
#2234
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 15:22 GMT
#2264
On April 14 2011 21:26 redFF wrote: Coag may or may not be scum. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me, because listening to a proven LIAR is wrong. He claimed assassin then dt, just ignore him. I prefer ignore all liars over lynch all liars, because we don't have to waste a lynch. I thought ON was scum day 1 so my vote for now is on LSB, leave FW to rot and we can see how he flips. He deserves no trust. You know, this is the exact logic I used to try to get LSB lynched in XXXVII and guess what, I WAS MAFIA. To look logic and analysis in the face and go NOPE! HE LIED! WE LYNCH LIARS! is wrong! There comes a point where, even though he lied about his alignment, his argument still holds water. The fact that you're jumping straight to saying that it's not because his analysis of Coagulation is wrong that we shouldn't vote Coag but that we shouldn't vote Coagulation merely on the simple fact that he lied, focusing more of our attention on the lie than to analysis to get us off Coag's vote sends big scum signs off for me, not that I haven't been thinking you are scum all game. FoS RedFF for now, we can lynch you at a later date | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 15:29 GMT
#2265
You know, this is the exact logic I used to try to get LSB lynched in XXXVII and guess what, I WAS MAFIA. To look logic and analysis in the face and go NOPE! HE LIED! WE LYNCH LIARS! WE IGNORE LIARS! is wrong! | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 16:35 GMT
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 19:32 GMT
#2292
On April 15 2011 04:13 LSB wrote: Chaoser do you think coagulation is red? For Sure Yo | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 19:32 GMT
#2293
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:19 GMT
#2329
The only BAD situation I can think of for town is if we have no Vig's left after Pandain died. Therefore if Coag lives the night and claims a hit, and if no VIGI's step up to claim they shot Coag, I'm willing to bet Coag is scum. or a red can claim vigi, that they shot coag but coag didn't die "proving" he's a vet? | ||
chaoser
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April 14 2011 22:21 GMT
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:38 GMT
#2349
because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. wut lol | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:40 GMT
#2351
was quote of DrH, not mine | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:41 GMT
#2355
On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. Is from DrH towards GM | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:42 GMT
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:46 GMT
#2362
On April 15 2011 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. Is he wishy washy or not wishy washy to you? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 14 2011 22:47 GMT
#2363
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 00:11 GMT
#2392
If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 00:19 GMT
#2403
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 00:20 GMT
#2405
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#2408
On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red. GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on. I'm starting to think Rean is Red. Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 01:56 GMT
#2529
On April 15 2011 10:47 GMarshal wrote: I'm saving the town from itself, feel free to lynch me for it. I'm done discussing, you have till midnight to reconsider. ##Unvote: Coagulation ##Vote: Airblade Orange LOLOL Holding the town at gunpoint with a pardon. Nice. What happened to you saying you would never pardon? You spent a whole five hours saying how pardon is 100% anti-town. And now you're making excuses to use it? Yeah ok. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 02:01 GMT
#2535
On April 14 2011 07:48 GMarshal wrote: Not happening. Period. As long as I hold the pardon I will not use it. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 02:03 GMT
#2539
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 02:04 GMT
#2541
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 04:16 GMT
#2636
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 04:54 GMT
#2650
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:02 GMT
#2670
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#2686
On April 15 2011 14:22 Foolishness wrote: Has anyone ever noticed that Oreo spells it Double Stuf and not Double stuff? Or Stuffed for that matter. WTF?!!?!?!? I NEVER NOTICED! | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#2695
LSB Coag redFF all FoS-ed for obvious reasons -_- | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#2697
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:31 GMT
#2703
On April 15 2011 14:29 Kenpachi wrote: I wouldnt hit Coag if iwas vig. doesnt really confirm him because Mafia can protect townies to be "pro-town" but really, they know whos who in the game (Cept 3rd Party) lol. there's a difference between calling for townies not to be lynched to build town cred and to go balls out insane to save him. Also the whole Day 1 "I'mma lynch ON, on wait no, i'mma lynch AO if elected for no real reasons" makes both Coag and LSB RED in my books. Conversely it makes AO 90% confirmed townie to me. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:34 GMT
#2711
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#2717
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United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:41 GMT
#2722
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#2726
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:58 GMT
#2741
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 05:59 GMT
#2744
but chaoser is almost guaranteed town at this point... Have I...have I obtained it?? The GOD HAND?!? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:06 GMT
#2755
Robellicose Coagulation -> RED OriginalName -> RED AirbladeOrange -> Green Probably M0nsterChef -> Said he was Tracker Kenpachi Serejai -> RED Barundar -> Green Probably Lemonwalrus -> RED GMarshal -> RED Latrommi My reads | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:08 GMT
#2759
On April 15 2011 15:06 Mig wrote: Before you declare I am mafia can you please analyze more than just my first 3 day1 posts? And yea I had a GM town read at the very beginning of the game just like a lot of people did. And while it doesn't prove anything I voted for DrH for mayor and he only won by 1 vote. If I had stayed on GM he would have won mayor instead. That doesn't mean anything. The last minute switch was what allowed DrH to win the mayor election. If it didn't happen GM would have won. I ain't saying you're mafia, I'm saying that's not something that can clear you | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:16 GMT
#2763
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:20 GMT
#2767
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:26 GMT
#2774
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:32 GMT
#2779
I'm more disturbed that the mafia actually let him do that. Perhaps he didn't consult or Coagulation just begged him to do whatever it takes. Whatever it is they put on a nice little show. He got frustrated by the Prot situation. That's the explanation for it. Mafia at that point must have been pissed as shit so he basically gave up. He wanted to leave the game and knew the easiest way to get out of the game in a legit manner was to threaten Pardon. Whatever, it's all speculation, let's put it behind us and win this off ANALYSIS. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:33 GMT
#2781
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 06:48 GMT
#2795
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 07:32 GMT
#2805
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United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 08:10 GMT
#2810
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United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 08:51 GMT
#2821
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 08:55 GMT
#2823
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 09:03 GMT
#2827
1) Prot IS a DT 2) LSB and Coag and both Scum 3) So is Kenpachi, LW, and Serejai | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 16:25 GMT
#2843
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 16:35 GMT
#2846
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 18:20 GMT
#2860
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 20:32 GMT
#2886
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#2891
DropBear -> "good point by kita" no against prot kita -> very against prot wiggles -> late to the party, no to black Mig -> no to prot ON/LSB -> didn't say anything about prot, voted GM Eii -> no to prot LemonWalrus ->Against Prot List Against Coag Lynch Barundar -> very against coag lynch even though he should have read the logical posts LemonWalrus -> wishy washy on Prot Claim aidnai redff LSB/ON For GMarshal Mayor Robellicose OriginalName/LSB AirbladeOrange M0nsterChef Kenpachi Serejai Barundar Lemonwalrus Latrommi Cross reference that with: List for Coag Lynch Sincle Coag was GF and Mafia must have been pissed about Prot's lie of checking him, none of them SHOULD be voting coag for lynch since they would be fighting it every step of the way cause they know Prot's check is a lie. I consider everyone on this list pretty much confirmed Barundar urashimakt Rean Mig bumatlarge Robellicose Kenpachi chaoser Eiii Protactinium TranceStorm And you get these people who were on the first three but not on the last one LemonWalrus and ON/LSB. With Barundar* since he did vote for coag's lynch but was on two of the three lists above. I will go back to analysis a few more people who I think are scum soon but the major plan for today is for Vigi to shoot LSB or LW and then lynch the other tomorrow. I've already done lots of analysis on ON/LSB and I am 100% convinced he is mafia. LW I had a scum read on and others have analyzed him so go look those up but I am 90% sure he is mafia too. I was right on LSB and GMarshal and I helped push for Coag's lynch even after Prot's DT claim was called out. Let's win this town. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 21:17 GMT
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 21:26 GMT
#2896
On April 16 2011 06:11 Rean wrote: short inbetween message: chaoser, i agree except one thing bugs me: i'm pretty damn sure aidnai is scum because he's constantly starting bandwagons on the easiest target he can find. he's saying kill lsb so i doubt lsb is actually scum unless they're sacking him to make aidnai look town. Maybe I'm mafia and I've just been bussing the main election mafia candidate since day 1 to build up my town cred so much that I can control the rest of the game? When I first started mafia I was paranoid as shit and didn't want to make the wrong moves and didn't trust anyone. Everything was questionable, even extremely pro town things since, what if it was mafia trying to get town cred? After a while you'll realize it's not about being inactive or going after the easiest bandwagon that makes people scummy. Some people are bad townies and they don't want to seem inactive and anti-town and then have town waste a lynch on them. So they try to help, but they suck, so their help comes off as non-help. That's the mentality that would make them go after easy targets. Aren't you doing the same thing by going after aidnai? It's not about what he does but why he does them and how he was doing them. Was he being wishy washy? Was he being aggressive and persistent? If he was being persistent, was there a reason for it? Was he doing it to draw attention away from someone else? How did he go about being persistent? Was he making bullshit arguments? Motive is infinitely more important than just simple action. Look at the context of the situation first. I'll look over aidnai's in a bit if you want. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 22:20 GMT
#2905
If the mafia or assassins choose to hit the same target as you, and they manage to kill them, they'll reach that target first (again, banhammers are heavy as shit), and you will retain the use of your banhammer. If they both hit the same target, vigis get their hit back. Might as well stack it cause if assassins hit we lose nothing. If we hit, heyo! | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 22:41 GMT
#2908
On April 13 2011 16:02 aidnai wrote: Good god, I was trying to analyze coag's posts this game but when I searched for them I had to go past like 500 posts from insane 2 wtf?! coag, you are truly amazing... so he doesn't do it...ok + Show Spoiler + At Protact: my intial reaction is skepticism, I'm trying to think through if it's worth it for us to lynch coag anyway. Lynch coag, if he's red, we medic protact? We have time to figure this one out at least. drawn out which mafia? you've put out coag, he hasn't flipped yet, but having read his posts myself he was not high on my suspect list. Also, 'mix it up a bit' sounds retarded. You coulda won the mayor campaign easily with zero claims, most townies were complaining about how stupid all the other campaigns were and EVEN AFTER CLAIMING BLACK you came in an easy 3rd place... It's definitely suspicious that IF you are an assassin, this is your only viable play today. Even more so that there wasn't actually a good reason to claim assassin in the first place as a DT. I think that, as you said yourself, you got assassin, didn't like the role, and tried to make the best of the situation. IN ANY CASE, I'm not going to let this prevent scumhunting at least for the sake of our vigilantes. i.e. even if we lynch coag, the remaining vigis might have something to go on. Yeah, ignore protact, he dies tonight, if he flips blue *unlikely*, then we lynch coag. Coag, I don't really see why you claimed, but ok. nobody is saying FW is a mafia wtf? He's really an assassin, using the last trick up his sleeve. as for thinking critically, I'd ask you, if protact was in fact black, what are his possible plays today? you pointed out correctly (I believe) that his chances are slim with this play, but I still don't think there's any better play for him? logically, it seems to me the MOST LIKELY explanation for protact claiming black day 1 is that he was in fact black. I'll grant it's possible that it was all a ploy to draw out scum (btw this would be easier to believe if you posted your list protact). IF PROTACT IS BLACK, what else could we expect out of him today? roll over and die? the guy obviously wants to have fun and make a splash, why not go out in style right? Very VERY insistent that prot is black and doesn't even consider that he might be blue. + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 18:17 aidnai wrote: hmm... lots of people missing from this conversation. I'm gonna give it a rest and see what's up tomorrow. SCUMMY LURKER LIST latrommi Milkyst <- 1 post + 1 vote lol jaminz serejai rean none of these players are interacting with the game in any meaningful way. Scared of imba scumtells much? depending on activity levels as today progresses, we might get a nice vig shot on one of these, I'm thinking milkyst. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 21:18 Milkyst wrote: On April 11 2011 21:03 OriginalName wrote: On April 11 2011 20:21 redFF wrote: Finally, people listening to reason. DrH, Protact or kita, i dont care who it is, should be mayor. A day one lynch of OriginalName is a good idea. If he flips red, that means that Gmarshal is likely red, as are the other people who voted for him with little reasoning and leapt to each others defence when i called them out on it. M0nsterChef and AirbladeOrange. If original name flips red then we can also probably pin MiG because ON did a contentless analysis where he named him town. Town has to band together and vote for one of those 3. Yo town, when I flip green lynch this dude plz kthxbye. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm voting for redFF. He wants people to be lynched, been talking alot of trash as well throughout the thread. He's also wanting to urge the townies to vote for one of these three... little bit suspicious if you ask me. His only post proves he's been reading the thread (look at bolded part), but all he can say is he wants to lynch redFF because he's a 'little bit suspicious'. 1 post and 1 vote per day keeps the modkill away right? goodnight everybody. On April 14 2011 06:31 aidnai wrote: Thanks for the recap? lol let's move on instead of making huge posts regurgitating everything. scum points for wiggles. On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: The big problem with this debate is 1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. Look how quickly and persistent he is in wanting to move off the Coag v Flamewheel debate, throwing out anything in hopes that it will stick. In particular I want to focus on his case against Rean where he makes his main point against Rean by trying to discredit Rean's accusation that GMarshal and Coag are red. That is where he pushes the strongest. Well we all know how Gmarshal and Coag flipped. FoS Aidnai, we should keep an eye on him. (Spent like the last hour doing this lol. If he's mafia, he's good, most subtle one so far) | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 22:53 GMT
#2909
On April 15 2011 11:02 bumatlarge wrote: ##unvote ##vote Gmarshal On April 15 2011 11:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Gmarshal On April 15 2011 11:03 chaoser wrote: ##Vote Gmarshal Like a BOSS | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 15 2011 23:05 GMT
#2911
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=112#2224 | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 00:02 GMT
#2916
On April 16 2011 08:50 Rean wrote: Just one point: if LSB is scum, why is he so insanely burned on getting flamewheel lynched when there's so much easier targets out there? That's the main problem I have with the LSB = scum theory. I'll go make a analysis on both (for real this time lol) on both (lsb/on), but in the perspective of trying to let it make sense to you he's the assassin. Because if FW is lynched and flips black (which mafia thought was true since Coag is GF and FW couldn't have checked him to be red) then Coag can claim that it was a fake check and get away scott free | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 00:20 GMT
#2921
On April 16 2011 09:15 Rean wrote: ......but town was never ever ever going to kill FW, that just wasn't gonna happen, best they could get was to get town to leave fw to die to the assassins and scumhunt someone else, no sensible townie would have voted for FW. Honestly, I think you're giving scum a little bit to little credit, they can't be this bad. On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote: Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here. It could have been that they wanted to split the vote. It could have been because there's a lot of newbies in the game and they wanted them to sheep, it could have been bad decision making due to being under stress and angry at Prot's lie. Look at coag's vigi into vet claim. That enough was a HUGE slip from him. There's no way you can mistake your own role like that. Either way LSB will die to either a vigi or assassin tonight. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 04:52 GMT
#2952
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 04:59 GMT
#2955
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:11 GMT
#2963
8. Kenpachi 9. ilovejonn 11.chaoser 12.CubEdIn 2.0 13.kevconsim 15.TranceStorm 18.urashimakt 20.Milkyst 21.DropBear 22.The_Roist 23.kitaman27 24.bumatlarge 25.jaminz 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 29.AirbladeOrange 30.MetalFace 31.Barundar 33.redFF 34.M0nsterChef 36.Robellicose 37.Mig 38.aidnai 39.Conversion 3 Mafia left 25 Town left | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:11 GMT
#2964
On April 16 2011 14:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well. That was a really dirty cheat by Serejai. Was that a modkill? Congratulations eii! that was a pretty dirty cheat by serejai, he should get a ban or something | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:13 GMT
#2968
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:14 GMT
#2972
also, i shot the shit out of LSB...still can't believe he's not mafia. VIGI CLAIM-ED | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:15 GMT
#2973
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:18 GMT
#2976
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:20 GMT
#2979
8. Kenpachi 9. ilovejonn 11.chaoser 12.CubEdIn 2.0 13.kevconsim 15.TranceStorm 18.urashimakt 20.Milkyst 21.DropBear 22.The_Roist 23.kitaman27 24.bumatlarge 25.jaminz 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 29.AirbladeOrange 30.MetalFace 31.Barundar 33.redFF 34.M0nsterChef 36.Robellicose 37.Mig 39.Conversion 19 townies 5 Mafia | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:27 GMT
#2984
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:31 GMT
#2990
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:42 GMT
#2996
On April 16 2011 14:31 BrownBear wrote: I intentionally did not reduce mafia KP tonight because I didn't feel it was fair to punish them for Coagulation's idiocy. wait, does that mean there was 4KP for mafia tonight? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 05:59 GMT
#3002
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:15 GMT
#3009
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:19 GMT
#3012
On April 16 2011 15:18 Mig wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2011 15:15 chaoser wrote: Ok so either we're missing a KP or GGQ didn't shoot It was probably one of the assassins who wasnt sure who they should shoot. Or you and GGQ both shot LSB. or GGQ didn't shoot...or a KP was missing...If we both shot then one of us should have gotten our bullet back. If he did then it's like he didn't shoot... | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:21 GMT
#3013
On April 16 2011 15:19 bumatlarge wrote: Oh wait darm was a tracker. I would suggest any additional trackers to claim, as that ould add up to three, which is one too many for my liking. Bum, just to note, just because monster tracked redFF and saw no movement, doesn't mean redFF isn't mafia. He could just be a mafia that wasn't sent out for a hit. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:26 GMT
#3015
On April 16 2011 15:24 bumatlarge wrote: Well that would seem odd, but reasonable. Doesn't disprove monster's claim any less though. Also, how late did you send your shot? If he shot first, you would have your bullet back. I shot very early, I shot coag and then when he got modkilled I moved it over to LSB. I did not get my bullet back | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:37 GMT
#3019
On April 13 2011 11:55 jaminz wrote: Man, this game is pretty intense. I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up, but I'm working on it. It seems like Bumatlarge, DoctorH, and GMarshal have all had a lot of analysis done on them so far, so I'll try to look at a few of the other players and post whatever analysis I can. Never does it Placeholder vote on DrH during the GM debacle. 4 posts in the thread. Pressure fucking vote. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:42 GMT
#3021
He has posted a grand total of once and didn't even vote Day 2 On April 11 2011 21:18 Milkyst wrote: And that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm voting for redFF. He wants people to be lynched, been talking alot of trash as well throughout the thread. He's also wanting to urge the townies to vote for one of these three... little bit suspicious if you ask me. ^----only post this entire game | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:52 GMT
#3028
(2:51:15 AM) John Morris: congrats on another mafia kill (2:51:29 AM) ostrichbefun: what? with serejai? (2:51:35 AM) John Morris: check the thread (2:51:39 AM) John Morris: BB just modkilled | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 06:54 GMT
#3032
On April 16 2011 15:53 Barundar wrote: I made a nice fat green question avout modkilling him during the night and it was ignored link it barundar, would make you 90% town in my book to 100% | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 07:41 GMT
#3039
27.DoctorHelvetica -> Town 22.The_Roist -> Town 24.bumatlarge - Town 30.MetalFace -> Town 12.CubEdIn 2.0 -> Town? 15.TranceStorm -> Town? 26.DarthThienAn -> Town? 36.Robellicose -> Town? 39.Conversion -> Town? My current town reads. The rest I either haven't completely gone through all their posts or I feel they are scummy | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 08:05 GMT
#3044
I will post in full tomorrow when I am free but for now that's my reasoning. Those are the few that I've had the time to read over so far, I'll look over the rest tomorrow. We got two days and only 2 KP to worry about, I'd say we're in a decent place. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 17:43 GMT
#3058
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 19:23 GMT
#3061
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 16 2011 21:13 GMT
#3071
On April 14 2011 01:21 BrownBear wrote: SUPER HOST TO SAVE THE DAY!!! First things first, Coag, please cut out the personal attacks, flaming, and allcaps. This is the last time I'll ask nicely. Also, Doc H, you've done it a couple times too, so please don't Second, CubEdIn is indeed back, replacing Latrommi. What is up with all these people dropping I don't even. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 01:41 GMT
#3076
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 06:05 GMT
#3095
On April 17 2011 14:55 M0nsterChef wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2011 11:53 Kenpachi wrote: with that being said, who did you track Monsterchef? The first night I tracked RedFF , he didn't go anywhere. Second night I was roleblocked. suspicious suspicious | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 16:20 GMT
#3104
Relatively Active chaoser -> Town DoctorHelvetica -> Town bumatlarge -> Town cubedin -> Town Rean Kenpachi kitaman27 redFF->Zorkmid urashimakt Barundar Relatively Inactive The_Roist -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard MetalFace -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Robellicose -> Very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive M0nsterChef -> Very Inactive -> Claimed Tracker jaminz -> Very Inactive kevconsim DropBear AirbladeOrange Mig ilovejonn Split into actives v inactives, I am sure that at least 2 of the mafia are in the inactive camp, possibly 3. I will cross reference this list with my own lists for the major events and post some of my looks in a bit but this should provide all of you with a good jumping off point on looking at people. I'm certain most of the actives are town with maybe 1 being mafia. My vote says on jaminz though I don't mind lynching monsterchef either. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 16:29 GMT
#3105
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 16:42 GMT
#3107
On April 18 2011 01:34 kitaman27 wrote: I have the feeling that jaminz is more of an overwhelmed new player who lost interest. He has made no effort to post or push the mafia's agenda so far. Sounds like a textbook mislynch to me. There are several players who are posting in other games, but not this one which concerns me. I'm not sure how you can put Zorkmid on your recently active list. He has one post this game and has had more than enough time since being replaced. The fact that he was excited about joining the game and then fails to contribute is a bit suspicious. and what was milkyst? A new player that lost interest? fact of the matter is that we have 5 days to do lynch the mafia. I say lynching off a few inactives will help us a great deal. On the zorkmid issue, I dunno, maybe he wants to work through the whole of the thread? He did just newly replace redFF into a 156 page thread. redFF was active throughout the game and so by that fact Zorkmid is too. I am excited to see what zorkmid says though, he's been very active in the other game. what are your thoughts on the inactives? Top 4 mafia choices? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 17:38 GMT
#3110
On April 18 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: If it counts for anything, milkyst was on my scum list. I obviously would like to hear from jaminz, its just I think the lynch could be better used elsewhere. Just because we have 5 lynches, doesn't mean we can afford to waste any of them. why was milkyst on your scum list? he posted 1 line and then voted redff for mayor by accident. Jaminz voted to put Dr. H into office and then voted to lynch Dr. H on Day 2 saying it was a placeholder vote. They're both dead weight. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 18:01 GMT
#3112
On April 13 2011 22:34 DarthThienAn wrote: a townie has no reason to lie about this. Therefore, it's win-win. If Coag is town and Pro is mafia, I'll take the 1-1. If they're both mafia, then even better lol. This post makes me think DTA is not mafia. It's not even like a half-hearted post that prot is maybe not to be trusted. This post was posted in the middle of a huge smear campaign by the mafia btw with serajai, GM, and Coag straight up trying to discredit Prot. On April 13 2011 23:45 DarthThienAn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote: On April 13 2011 22:34 DarthThienAn wrote: a townie has no reason to lie about this. Therefore, it's win-win. If Coag is town and Pro is mafia, I'll take the 1-1. If they're both mafia, then even better lol. Why lynch Proact? An assassin or scum will kill him tonight. Don't protect him let him die. If he doesn't ignore him. He's a liar. Anything he says is now pushing a liars agenda. We don't know what he is. All we know is anything he says has to justify his lies. Which one is the lie? How the fuck do I know? All I know is he has 0 credibility with me. He's not worth wasting a lynch on atm. Lynches are priceless to us. Why waste one on an Assassin/DT/Liar? Let the assassins deal with him. How does that go against lynching Coag? ... o.O. If Proact dies tonight, then someone did our job for us, assuming he's mafia... Jackal misunderstands his post and once again he is for the lynch of coag and letting prot die at night | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 18:29 GMT
#3115
On April 15 2011 10:46 kevconsim wrote: it depends whether there communicating about the game. In reference to the Prot incident. If he was mafia he wouldn't be this ok with it On April 13 2011 12:48 kevconsim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 12:41 redFF wrote: Going to sleep, might as well post some final thoughts in case i die. My personal Scum list- GM OriginalName m0nsterChef My possible scum list- Mig- very suspicious early on. and ON gave him a townie read with an awful PBPA. AO- Started out as a huge scum read. But he's requesting the lynch of ON and m0nsterChef so it's hard to tell. I think coag is an assassin for what it's worth at this point. Please don't waste any time talking about serejai, focus on catching and lynching scum. Bum and DrH are town, listen to them. Why arent i on there? On April 13 2011 12:57 kevconsim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 12:50 GGQ wrote: That came off harsher than I intended. But seriously, it's dumb to ask why people don't think you're scum. You should never be expecting people to think you're scum... Well earlier he said that he thought i was scum and i have said nothing since then and now he doesnt think im scum... Thats dumb On April 14 2011 01:37 kevconsim wrote: Since you never answered my question. Why am i not on here. I did not post one time in between lists. What changed in you mind about me? REDFF He continually tries to place pressure on HIMSELF, bring up the point of why he isn't suspected again and again. That doesn't seem like a very mafia thing to do. Either way, they don't look more scummy when compared to jaminz and I'd rather mr 4 posts be gone. can you link me to your analysis of kev though? maybe i'll change my mind when I read it | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 22:32 GMT
#3122
STREAM LINK: http://www.livestream.com/deconduo HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 17 2011 22:47 GMT
#3124
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 04:16 GMT
#3155
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:00 GMT
#3157
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:04 GMT
#3159
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:07 GMT
#3161
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:15 GMT
#3164
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:19 GMT
#3166
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 18 2011 05:22 GMT
#3167
On April 18 2011 12:47 jaminz wrote: Well it seems that I've done a pretty terrible job of proving that I'm a townie. It's been a bad weekend for me (i've had lots of stuff come up), so I haven't been able to be too active. I read kitaman's post about kevconsim, and it seemed pretty convincing for me. I tend to think kitaman is town from his posting, and so I think I'm inclined to agree with him and vote for kevconsim. Obviously I'd rather stay alive in this game as well, so there's another reason for my kevconsim vote. I'm around tonight, so if anyone has any other questions for me, I'll do my best to show you guys that I'm not scum, and I deserve to stay alive. "I'm voting for kev cause I agree and agreeing is all I need and kita and yeah." Guy increases his post count in this thread by like 50% since day 1. He posts twice per day cycle. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 05:19 GMT
#3183
Relatively Inactive The_Roist -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard MetalFace -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard DarthThienAn -> very Inactive -> Town? jaminz -> Very Inactive -> Town? AirbladeOrange -> Town? TranceStorm -> Very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive DropBear -> Roleblocker ilovejonn I say we work our way through the inactives, Trancestorm, conversion and ilovejohn | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:02 GMT
#3191
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:02 GMT
#3192
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:11 GMT
#3194
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:27 GMT
#3196
1) the mafia team didn't rage quit two people to buy bumatlarge town cred 2) they were legit worried because their team was mostly newbies 3) they're all very inactive We lynch dropbear. If he flips red, we can be sure. If he flips green then kita is mafia (which i doubt). If he flips blue then bum is probably mafia. Trancestorm, conversion and ilovejohn Then we work down that list. I'll go over their PM shit more tomorrow night. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:28 GMT
#3197
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 06:37 GMT
#3199
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 15:06 GMT
#3220
1) pushed hardest for prot's election 2) Was on GM's ass since day 1 3) Immediately voted Coag when prot claimed and believed him, fighting vehemently for coag's lynch 4) Even said throughout the game that I thought LSB/ON was mafia thus had the motive to shoot lol...nice try dropbear. -I am a regular townie. If I was visiting M0nsterChef then I must be a Nosy Neighbour. lol...kita never said he was watching monsterchef and nosy neighbor randomly visits so you wouldn't know anyway, FAIL. Not to mention we usually lynch miller/nosy neighbors anyway since we can't prove a nosy neighbor/miller claim and they could very well be mafia. Unless the person has been playing extremely pro town we gonna lynch lol. You have not and you got caught in a lie. Lawl. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 15:18 GMT
#3224
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 15:18 GMT
#3225
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 15:27 GMT
#3230
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 15:40 GMT
#3238
I think we should maybe mass claim now? Are we mass claiming bum? Relatively Active chaoser -> Town DoctorHelvetica -> Town bumatlarge -> Town Barundar -> Town kitaman27 -> Watcher Kenpachi redFF->Zorkmid urashimakt Relatively Inactive The_Roist -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard MetalFace -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard jaminz -> Very Inactive -> Town? AirbladeOrange -> Town? DarthThienAn -> very Inactive TranceStorm -> Very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive DropBear -> Roleblocker ilovejonn so really the potential mafia list boils down to Kenpachi redFF->Zorkmid urashimakt DarthThienAn -> Very Inactive -> I like bum's case on him -> Mafia? TranceStorm -> Very Inactive Conversion -> Very Inactive DropBear -> Roleblocker ilovejonn I'll go over everything after I prep for my presentation today. Mafia must be scared of my list to go after someone like me which means it must have some merit right? RIGHT?!?! | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 19 2011 16:06 GMT
#3241
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 20 2011 05:06 GMT
#3297
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 20 2011 21:21 GMT
#3306
DoctorHelvetica -> Town bumatlarge -> Town Barundar -> Town kitaman27 -> Watcher Kenpachi -> Town The_Roist -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard MetalFace -> Very Inactive -> Bodyguard AirbladeOrange -> Town My 100% "I believe them to be town" list Kenpachi finally made the list because DropBear tried so damn hard to get him lynched. AO made the list cause GM tried damn hard to get him lynched. I dunno if that was a bus or not but a day 1 bus wasn't really needed since people were asking for ON/LSB, a green, to be lynched. Here's my maybe town list: jaminz -> Very Inactive -> Town? TranceStorm -> Very Inactive -> Town? AO says jaminz is clean so I guess we'll be ??? on that call. AO checked? watched? tracked? Who knows. TS is townie in my eyes due to his posting in thread, I will go in depth to that later. DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn redFF->Zorkmid urashimakt Out of these five, three are mafia. I say conversion. He's very iffy/fearful in his posting, continually playing down his play and being apologetic. I don't think you can go two posts in a row without seeing him go sorry guys, I'm bad lawl. He joins the GM vote very late Fair enough to keep an eye on me. I understand that my defensiveness towards DrH's pokes wasn't the most town thing to do. He backs off his pressure very quickly and then says sorry...and then goes on to vote for him GM because he's been defending and arguing against the wrong people, in my opinion. It's a weak suspicion that should grow stronger or weaker as the game progresses. wishy washy FoS of GM. Woulf it even be detrimental to mislynch today? If not, I'll be fine getting lynched since Barundar seems to believe that I'm mafia because of my play, regardless of what I tell him. I'm detrimental to town at this point and I don't even know how to make a post without someone analyzing me/questioning me. If you guys don't care about lynching mafia (as we lost quite a few over the past day/night), might as well lynch a lurker, like me. But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever. Suggests maybe we should just mislynch, cause, why the fuck not. Says we should lynch lurkers like him, but then says, well, but not me, cause I'm town. There's no reason for a townie to write something like this. Townies would just go, lynch the lurkers. end of statement. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 20 2011 21:29 GMT
#3307
On April 12 2011 20:00 Conversion wrote: I'm fine with a DT check waste on me with anything. You'll get a townie read and, unless for some retarded reason you think mafia will make me godfather, no other information. Yes I played rather poorly, but are you aeriously accusing me of being scum? Maybe I was too wishy washy with the way I voted, saying that I had the town's best interest, but whatever floats your boat. I was only trying to benefit town with what I read in this shitstorm of a thread. On April 14 2011 20:32 Conversion wrote: Before I go to school, I'd just like to correct Barundar. I never got modkilled for inactivity, I asked for a replacement due to lack of time (and personal problems). And I'm sorry I can't be more active, but I'm just going to scum slip without even knowing. I'm a terrible player and this is my first game (why I played a 40 player normal game as my first game, beats me.) I'm not particularly vocal irl and I'm not particularly vocal on the internet. So I apologize if you get a scum read on me, and I hope you change your mind, but I have no idea how to go about defending myself. On April 15 2011 13:54 Conversion wrote: Voting GMarshal because I suck and I'm sheeping. Baaah. On April 15 2011 20:08 Conversion wrote: Is voting last minute considered scummy? shit. mistake after mistake.. On April 17 2011 00:18 Conversion wrote: Woulf it even be detrimental to mislynch today? If not, I'll be fine getting lynched since Barundar seems to believe that I'm mafia because of my play, regardless of what I tell him. I'm detrimental to town at this point and I don't even know how to make a post without someone analyzing me/questioning me. If you guys don't care about lynching mafia (as we lost quite a few over the past day/night), might as well lynch a lurker, like me. But then again, lynching me gets town nowhere, but whatever. On April 19 2011 14:19 Conversion wrote: and I supposed I look really scummy now because I analyzed and voted for M0nsterchef, the tracker. ahhh shit. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 01:07 GMT
#3315
On April 21 2011 09:53 AirbladeOrange wrote: My posts about conversion are much better understood within the context of when they were posted. He was making sketchy posts at the time (which I still believe to be sketchy), jaminz did a good job of bringing some of his posts together for easier examination, and TranceStorm brought up a point I agreed with. I was not throwing shit around just to see if it would stick. Also, you hurt my feelings when you tell me to play better. BTW, AO, if you're going to claim something, should claim tonight and tell us why you think jaminz isn't mafia so mafia needs to worry about hitting multiple targets that will be protected/watched/tracked/etc. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 01:12 GMT
#3317
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 01:41 GMT
#3319
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 04:11 GMT
#3336
On April 21 2011 13:06 Conversion wrote: well im gonna get lynched sooner or later anyways so.. whatever can you specify the exact quote where he lied? lol...did conversion just give up? | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 05:04 GMT
#3345
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 05:07 GMT
#3347
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 21 2011 05:14 GMT
#3353
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 22 2011 18:17 GMT
#3388
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 22 2011 23:55 GMT
#3405
On April 23 2011 08:19 jaminz wrote: There's no other way that kitaman could have died last night right? I saw Airblade visit him, and there was no one else who did so. I couldn't think of any other reason that kitaman would have died, so Airblade must be mafia. good enough for me lol | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 22 2011 23:56 GMT
#3406
On April 23 2011 08:53 AirbladeOrange wrote: Tracker. I thought people suspected me as being one but I didn't want to come out and say it and die outright like all the other blues. I'm 95% sure you are town and my mind is being blown at what is happening. I can only visit homes if people I follow do. And I didn't go anywhere last night so I have no idea what is going on. so jaminz is town/blue to you, but he saw you visit kita...but you were roleblocked? lol...what a bad lie. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 00:05 GMT
#3413
AirbladeOrange -> Town -> Mafia TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn If AO flips green, we lynch jaminz, simple as that, though i doubt mafia would pull something retarded as a 1 for 1 trade this late into the game when they're in such a hole. If AO flips red then we work down that list. We got a 50/50 chance to hit mafia, I say we go conversion->Trancestorm->DTA->ilovejohn If AO flips red, mafia will be at 1 KP per night, there's no way they're going to win, we have like 5 more days till LYLO supposing we don't lynch another mafia during that time. If by the time we lynch DTA and we haven't gotten a single mafia yet, we can start looking at DrH though I'm VERY sure he's not mafia. He would have needed to have planned out everything since before even the Coag Debacle which, if he did, fucking golf clap. lynch AO, see what the result is, then move forward people | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 20:08 GMT
#3443
On April 24 2011 03:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2011 01:15 AirbladeOrange wrote: So why am I the only one claiming role block? because you're mafia and the roleblocker is dead and you're faking it to be consistent with your scumbuddy barundar's claims I really don't think barundar is mafia and that the last two are in these four players TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn I'd say it's conversion and TS. TS was against the proct election, using VERY poor logic and fearmongering while being extremely wishy washy There is always the possibility that he is a mafia pretending to be an assassin in order to win himself an elected position on the merits of the arguments he listed earlier. Fear of proct being mafia being spread here... But I'm not particularly inclined to this view because as of right now because that strategy would be exceedingly risky at the very beginning of the game. Backs out here... Of course, what should happen if he were to be elected, and both bodyguards were to die? The chances are slim of course, but the fact is that he could switch sides at critical moments (i.e. when he is one of the deciding votes between the mafia and town). Does it again... Oh and lastly, I don't think he would be able to 'ally with mafia' like he claims if he weren't elected since another assassin would take him out to further their own chances at victory. Backs out again... Then he is passive aggressive on DrH's election Personally, I think that Dr. H has been the most town to me because of his aggressive approach. I don't think any mafia would want to make that aggressive of a start at the beginning of a game - they'd rather appear more passive to the town. and then Dr. H's accusations seem a bit erratic and scattergun and may cause trouble later down the road Notice how he's not ok with Proct's potential problems down the road but he's totally ok with DrH's problems down the road. Hmmm Later on he goes back on his words about proct and writes Hmmm Proact, I haven't fully read through your entire post and I trust you as pro-town but I have a question. All of a sudden he trusts proct to be pro-town. And then he posts this gem during the time when every other mafia we've lynched thus far was trying to bus Serejai so that GM and Coag issue could be shelved for the day. On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote: I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town? From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors. Later on he again switches his position on Proct Hmm. I guess that takes away from the validity of my points, but I still don't trust that Proact is the actual DT since there have been slip-ups. He then continues to be inactive, going along with the town on every vote afterwards. At this point, I think, in regards to the GM/Coag debacle, the mafia was pretty much forced to bus both of them and hoped to hide in the shadows of the inactives while slowly trying to kill the blues and finally hit the big town players (Me, bodyguards, DrH). We lynch AO today, if he flips red, we lynch Conversion or TranceStorm tomorrow. I'm sure at least one of them is mafia and if there's still one mafia left after lynching both, we move onto DarthThienAn -> very Inactive ilovejohn | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 20:14 GMT
#3445
On April 24 2011 05:09 Conversion wrote: If AO is mafia, and I as well, why would he tunnel me so hard and try to bus me when there's four mafia left? It doesn't make sense, does it? Bussing is a very possible strategy since they've been pretty much doing it all game. At this point though, it doesn't matter. We have enough town players to deal with the mafia because they'll only have 1 KP left. We lynch AO, we lynch you or TS, and then we either win or lynch DTA/ilovejohn and we should have won the game at that point. Mafia can choose to draw it out for 5 more day/night cycles but it's not going to do much. TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn 2 of 4 in here. We have a lot of days left till LYLO, especially since DrH is also a vet. It's pretty much GG if AO flips red at this point. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 20:25 GMT
#3447
TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn 2 of 4 in here. We have a lot of days left till LYLO, especially since DrH is also a vet. It's pretty much GG if AO flips red at this point. Should read like that, not other way...TL Crashing x_x | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 21:35 GMT
#3449
On April 24 2011 06:27 Barundar wrote: I'd add kenpachi to your list chaoser, but more importantly mafia has to chop through a bunch of townies, starting with jaminz, bodyguards, drh, you, and then the rest of us, before they even have a shot at winning. And we kill them at same rate. So really, if AO flips red, mafia should just concede so the next games can start... Kenpachi finally made the Townie list because DropBear tried so damn hard to get him lynched. AO is an exemption since it was early game but with 4 mafia members left, they're not going to tunnel bus their own member, especially since at the time DropBear wasn't being looked at at all. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#3451
On April 24 2011 06:42 Barundar wrote: Fair enough. Same logic works for conversion with regards to AO though :/ I just said it's different because that was early game where it was ok. Not to mention that we really don't know what GM would have done had he been elected. I was pretty vocal in getting LSB/ON lynched. GM could have very well said ok, I'll listen to you. This was a calculated tunnel by DropBear when there were only 4 mafia left. There were no reasons for him to tunnel bus a fellow mafia at all. There wasn't even any pressure on him at the time | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 22:18 GMT
#3453
On April 24 2011 07:16 Barundar wrote: I'm not talking about AO. I'm talking about conversion. Me and AO was the only ones voting for conversion before Jaminz claimed, and AO voted for him yesterday as well. I doubt he would bus conversion at this stage of the game. hmm...this is true...let me look back on things then | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 23 2011 22:40 GMT
#3455
On April 24 2011 07:32 Zorkmid wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2011 05:25 chaoser wrote: Mafia can choose to draw it out for 5 more day/night cycles but it's not going to do much. TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive Conversion -> very Inactive ilovejonn 2 of 4 in here. We have a lot of days left till LYLO, especially since DrH is also a vet. It's pretty much GG if AO flips red at this point. Should read like that, not other way...TL Crashing x_x Hey, why do we know that DrH is a vet ? Because if he was mafia then he would have had to plan for the GM/Coag debacle way before it began. His actions show that he's 90% not mafia. On the off chance we're in the 10% that he is, it's so out there that the game deserves to be won by mafia if that's the case. Either way, we have like 7-8 days to work through and there's only 2 mafia left. I looked over the conversion/AO thing and ok, if AO flips red, we can move on to TranceStorm -> Very Inactive DarthThienAn -> very Inactive ilovejonn with Conversion coming in as a Day 4 lynch. There's 16 townies so even if we mislynch all of them and 4 of us die assuming no more vets/medics, then it'll still be 8 townies to 2 and we can out vote them even if DrH was a mafia. Either way, it's very very unlikely for it. Basically town can't lose at this point unless somehow DrH and I are the mafia. DUHH DUHHH DUHHHHHHHHHHHH At this point it's pretty GG for them. Should just concede and not waste time -_- | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 03:53 GMT
#3495
On April 24 2011 12:48 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2011 12:42 Jackal58 wrote: On April 24 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: The game was fun, my death day two kind of hurt the mafia, and having two modkills didn't help one bit. Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely. Also, awards to chaoser for having me pegged from the start, DropBear and AO for trying hard for me, which is not always easy in a situation as demoralizing as this my lynch seemed day two, and an award to bum for being a battle-medic, I was convinced you were a vet trying to get me to shoot you. Either way gg wp. Its a shame my first run as a mafia team leader ended up with my team being crushed. I had you and Coag both pegged. And then Proact totally fucked over my ability to proceed. I simply could not go along with a liar with 3rd party motivations. Damnation he pissed me off. If he had picked anybody but Coag. Coag wanted me to lynch you if I got mayor and shoot you night one otherwise, I thought it a poor idea. As far as allying with the assassin, I couldn't understand how any townie in his right mind could even think of it, it was just mindboggling that an assassin got *any* support, at all. I'd rather have an assassin in office and have control over his KP/check over a red. Simple as that | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 04:02 GMT
#3499
On April 24 2011 12:56 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 24 2011 12:53 chaoser wrote: On April 24 2011 12:48 GMarshal wrote: On April 24 2011 12:42 Jackal58 wrote: On April 24 2011 12:32 GMarshal wrote: The game was fun, my death day two kind of hurt the mafia, and having two modkills didn't help one bit. Anyway, I dont mind the screwup with the pardoner, mistakes happen, the important part of it is that we learn from them. If its any consolation, I like this new pardoner quite a bit, and I'd like to see it in another game, its fun to have in there, although I'd prefer that it lynch the runner up rather than end the day entirely. Also, awards to chaoser for having me pegged from the start, DropBear and AO for trying hard for me, which is not always easy in a situation as demoralizing as this my lynch seemed day two, and an award to bum for being a battle-medic, I was convinced you were a vet trying to get me to shoot you. Either way gg wp. Its a shame my first run as a mafia team leader ended up with my team being crushed. I had you and Coag both pegged. And then Proact totally fucked over my ability to proceed. I simply could not go along with a liar with 3rd party motivations. Damnation he pissed me off. If he had picked anybody but Coag. Coag wanted me to lynch you if I got mayor and shoot you night one otherwise, I thought it a poor idea. As far as allying with the assassin, I couldn't understand how any townie in his right mind could even think of it, it was just mindboggling that an assassin got *any* support, at all. I'd rather have an assassin in office and have control over his KP/check over a red. Simple as that And this is where I disagree, you have no control over his KP or his check, he is going to use them however he damn well pleases, what are you going to do if he dosn't follow your orders? lynch him? Thats a wasted town kp which you *need* to use on scum, not on 100% guaranteed not mafia. Thats why I thought it was utter madness , you just ensured 3 kp are going to play out with no way of controlling them, more likely than not they'll end up hitting lurking blues. And I'm saying he would never do that because it would lead straight to his lynch aka him losing the game. Town knows he needs to survive to win and he knows he needs to help town to survive. If he's running and telling town he's assassin then we have mutual ambitions to a certain extent. He wants to win assassin game and so wouldn't betray town since we'd lynch him. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 04:38 GMT
#3508
My entire plan of action was killed by Kita’s watching on M0nsterchef and follow-up claim. I should have fought against bum or DocH but I went after chaoser. I dunno why you went after me out of all people. I'm pretty sure at that point Mr and Bum were pretty much cleared as townie and DrH was only suspected based on the fact that IF he was mafia, the mafia actually had a chance of winning so people were asking around about that. Also, I don't think the vigis were that weak at all, they cleared the table of all our suspects, making the next few day's lynches completely free for new suspects. Had the vigis not shot then we probably would have wasted a few days on LSB and whatnot | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 04:48 GMT
#3510
Serejai, I am disappointed you left. You were active and funny. Your trolling the thread was very calculated and effective and was actually helping distract matters. I am still unaware of what it is you actually did to earn that warning but I’m going to assume from what your sub-out post that you posted game info outside the game. I can understand your disappointment but you did break the rules and you really left us in the lurch by bailing. You will probably get a ban out of this and may not even come back at all. It makes me sad because it could have been avoided. What happened was that he posted in another thread insinuating that he was blue and that the reason he was playing the way he was was because he didn't know how to use his role. DrH immediately told him to not say anymore since talking about game info out of the game is against the rules. Had Serejai actually been blue then it would have just been a newbie slip. But because he was red, it was a calculated move and to lie outside the game thread is a little bullshit. People are going to be assuming you're not going to be lying about the game in such a way. It was underhanded at best and totally deserves a modkill/ban though I doubt he'll be coming back. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 04:52 GMT
#3513
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 05:55 GMT
#3529
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 06:09 GMT
#3531
2. Mafia cannot stand up to an organized town. I'd like to know about mafia's night kill strategy. It seems to me that the day 3/4/5 NKs were extremely weak. Major town analysts got away surviving in favor of killing a few no no names, some of who where suspicious. In this type of game, you do not let major town analysts get away with goading the town, even if they are momentarily incorrect about their suspects. The thing is, when a major town analyst is worng, mafia generally won't oppose them strongly. But its hard to pop up in strong opposition when that analyst suddenly changes his mind and votes for scum. Its really uncomfortable for mafia to pop their heads up to defend against a correct accusation when they haven't been doing so all along. | ||
chaoser
United States5541 Posts
April 24 2011 07:12 GMT
#3542
Disagree with your "people who supported FW should say they are bad at mafia". His analysis of Coag was spot on after review and at that point it didn't matter what his claim was or wasn't. The play ended up working out in our favor anyway, much better than a DrH lynch would have panned out. The way the pardoner operated in this setup (how it was supposed to that is) made the pardoner a renamed prince of darkness role Using the pardon in the situation was the most pro town thing he could do When is prince of darkness ever a pro-town role? I'd rather have a lynch over a pardon, especially if the lynch lead to a mafia dead. | ||
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