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On April 01 2011 06:22 DarthThienAn wrote: lol. why all the mind games DrH what are you the detective? stop fishing | ||
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On April 01 2011 07:07 flamewheel wrote: -__- :3 | ||
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On April 02 2011 06:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On April 02 2011 06:43 BrownBear wrote: On April 01 2011 10:23 tnkted wrote: Its thursday, when was BB posting something in Sports n Games? I wanted to read what all the noobies were saying. Oh yeah, I should probably do that. I will hold off until it's not April Fools Day though. But Great Post Day would be the perfect day to make a great post in Sports n' Games... april fools great post | ||
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On April 03 2011 11:15 QuickStriker wrote: Hmm...... very tempting to do this now again.... when was the last time I played mafia here? If someone could tell me the answer to my last mafia (since my memory seems to fade away), I will increase the possibility of the enrollment to this upcoming mafia game by 80%. ok but if you're mafia with me im busing you day 1 with no exceptions | ||
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anyway i'm roleclaiming tracker | ||
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On April 03 2011 15:58 Caller wrote: Show nested quote + On April 03 2011 15:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you're not psycho quickstriker, just really really stupid no, it is you that is quickstriker and then DoctorHelvetica was a zombie i thought you were permabanned get out | ||
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On April 04 2011 05:54 Barundar wrote: Argh wth /in Day 1 lynch=jackal if he goes bowling on tuesday! no always lynch kenpachi or coagulation first | ||
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On April 04 2011 06:20 Barundar wrote: You seem pretty pro town this game drh I'm mafia, so no i don't | ||
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On April 04 2011 08:33 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 04 2011 05:54 Barundar wrote: Argh wth /in Day 1 lynch=jackal if he goes bowling on tuesday! Barundar! Yay! If we are mafia together we should bus chaoser day 1 no we're busing coag | ||
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On April 08 2011 15:38 Coagulation wrote: you dont necessarily have to be in a mafia game to harass people with PMs is that a hint | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:17 kitaman27 wrote: I'll meet you in scum irc in just a second! irc.quakenet.org #wearethemafia | ||
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On April 09 2011 07:29 Lemonwalrus wrote: Just posting so coag can get a town read on me. ##Vote: LemonWalrus | ||
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On April 09 2011 08:03 chaoser wrote: Let's keep it low spam for the newbies please kthanks I'll try my best. | ||
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i have a script that just blacks out everything pandain says in game, makes it much easier. | ||
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On April 09 2011 08:26 chaoser wrote: DrH, who is this in your profile oh i forgot about my profile disney actress ryan newman | ||
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i think silence during night is the best policy for town | ||
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On April 09 2011 10:38 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2011 10:26 aidnai wrote: I agree with DrH about night talking. If you talk at night, there's nothing town can do about it until day, only mafia has the power at night. town has plenty of night action powers... and none of them involve talking | ||
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On April 10 2011 04:51 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 03:53 Kavdragon wrote: On April 10 2011 03:18 GMarshal wrote: Also, I just realized, Assassins have a huge incentive to run as other assassins are out to kill them, and being mayor makes them really, really hard to kill On the note of assassins, from what I understand, they are playing an entirely different game than us. Their win condition does not interfere with ours, and the only effect they will have is the collateral damage they will incur when they miss. Do you think that we should hunt for them as well? The arguments that come to mind are that killing one will lower the KP during the night. On the other hand it distracts us from the only people that can beat us: the mafia. No reason to lynch an assassin. Just analyze them and leave them to die by the other assassins. Oh, and this is a really good point. no one cares | ||
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On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying. So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful. what happens if the mafia doesn't run | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:00 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote: On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying. So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful. what happens if the mafia doesn't run Then its a win/win situation for us, mafia just gave up a shot at two really, really useful roles. I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where the scumteam dosn't run for mayorship. If for nothing else, if they get a guy up there he is DT proof for a while and they get the names of the BGs and it's a lose situation if they tunnel lynches onto all the mayoral candidates using the exact same argument you just used | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote: On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying. So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful. what happens if the mafia doesn't run Then we have a bunch of analysis that says "soandso" is town. Confirming townies is very useful as well. You seem to be working hard to put down my efforts, but the only thing I see you doing is encouraging spam, an putting down others. Why don't you put forth any of your ideas? because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:05 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what happens if the mafia doesn't run Then all the better. The statement is said to scare mafia not to do stuff. We put the fear of it in front of them and they'll think twice about it. Though I doubt in this game not a single mafia will run. Being pardoner is too juicy a role to get that's relatively easy to get. In XXXVII even LSB posting the list of people by ranking scared me enough not to kill off everyone in tier 2. Obviously I was playing way too safe since all I wanted to do is get to LYLO and use my "townieness" but the same thing applies here. My bluff in insane led to much WIFOM for Kav and in the end iGrok's posts pushed him to call my bluff but if he didn't then I would have pulled way ahead. idk honestly if im mafia im thinking "lets not run and then try to keep all the pressure on the people who ran for mayor for a few days while we wreak havoc." even if a few lynches don't go that way, it's pretty easy to keep attention on the mayoral/pardoner candidates since they usually post a lot in the beginning and townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once so imo the mayor powers are not nearly as strong as the power to manipulate the towns focus by any means necessary that's just my take on it | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:17 chaoser wrote: Well I do understand where that thinking is coming from, I think mayor having 3 vote powers is fucking huge and way stronger than some perceived power to manipulate town. It's basically the ability to make 4 people have to change votes to get someone else lynched (3 to tie, 1 to push lynch into the lead). Also by having someone who is a good leader+analyst can keep the rampant fingering throwing down to a minimum. I think at most we'll spend day 2 looking at the candidates and once that's passed we can, as town, consciously focus on post-by-post analysis and not fall into the trap that happened in insane mafia which was just gut hunting with almost 0 percent analysis. Yeah but there is a trade off. IT isn't all just numbers. If mafia wins mayor: 1. invites 10x more scrutiny onto himself 2. can't really use the power however he wants, his votes will be 10x scrutinized basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat | ||
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On April 10 2011 05:28 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote: basically all it is, is a potential for a faster LYLO. the mayor can really only abuse his vote power if the mafia is great at splitting bandwagons and if the mayor uses his votes to save somebody, you better bet they're both in the hotseat Yeah so sorry, what are we arguing over again lol? Seems like all we're doing is talking about the inherent risks of the mayor campaign and the end conclusion is that we should vote mayor is town, a mafia mayor needs to play well or he will be discovered. I figure only good players are going to be running, and in serious contention, for the mayor spot anyway. I doubt the mafia team will send in someone that they don't think can handle the pressure if there is any. Is your main point that we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates after the mayor has been selected because mafia can just not run and then make us focus on them unnecessarily? Then can't mafia also run and then say we shouldn't focus on the mayor candidates since mafia could have not run and so on? It's a big WIFOM that really leads nowhere except to create a WIFOM conversation topic that people will come into arguing about basically nothing since both sides are possible. That being said, I'd rather be safe and look at the mayor candidates for at least Day 2. To not look at them would be absurd and bad play. If we sniff out anyone, all the better. If not, we place them on the back burner and if something does come up at a later day then we come back to it. yeah that would be absurd not to look at them but if we're still arguing about mayor candidates on day 3 then something bad has happened and it's probably because the mafia wanted it to happen i can basically agree with what you said here | ||
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On April 10 2011 08:14 kevconsim wrote: im kevin this is my third game most people call me that lurker person or kevconscum i like mafia and cheesy poofs whore2 | ||
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On April 10 2011 08:28 Tackster wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know - sorry i've been away from the game - i don't want to lurk but real life is busy atm. I will be on tomorrow for some proper communications!! it hasn't even started lol | ||
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On April 10 2011 08:53 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 08:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 08:28 Tackster wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know - sorry i've been away from the game - i don't want to lurk but real life is busy atm. I will be on tomorrow for some proper communications!! it hasn't even started lol The first night 0 I ever played with, RoL was mafia and he raged over how horrible/unfair a thing it was to do that to a mafia team afterwards. I consider this conclusive proof that using night 0 as much as possible is a good idea. Is this why you don't like my play? I view night 0 very differently then you. The game started as soon as i got my role PM imo. Night 0 is really just Day 1 by another name. no i just think its amusing that hes basically apologizing for inactivity when the game hasnt started if youre trying to imply im mafia or that im even criticizing the existence of night 0 that doesnt help your case | ||
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On April 10 2011 09:54 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 09:49 Kavdragon wrote: On April 10 2011 09:42 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 You guys agreed on a godfather already? Bravo. Lol, I don't need godfather. I'll just argue my way out of the lynch once someone DT's me as red. :p And sure, if you have a doubt in you mind as to my alignment by N1, then DT me. There's no framer, so I don't have worry about it being wrong. Scum slip???? So soon Kav? How is that a slip? There is no framer. | ||
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On April 10 2011 10:10 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 10:06 urashimakt wrote: On April 10 2011 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 09:54 Jackal58 wrote: On April 10 2011 09:49 Kavdragon wrote: On April 10 2011 09:42 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dt check kav n1 You guys agreed on a godfather already? Bravo. Lol, I don't need godfather. I'll just argue my way out of the lynch once someone DT's me as red. :p And sure, if you have a doubt in you mind as to my alignment by N1, then DT me. There's no framer, so I don't have worry about it being wrong. Scum slip???? So soon Kav? How is that a slip? There is no framer. Well, you might expect a townie to suggest not wasting a DT on them. Scum could be more prone to bluffing in order to gain trust and convince the town to DT someone else, so they feel like not DTing Kav is their own idea instead of his. So I can see why he says "scum slip", even if it's just a night 0 joke. You forgot option three: Play so obviously town that no one wastes their DT check on you. yeah well maybe you should try that cause "obviously town" is definitely not how i feel about you | ||
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our goal in this game is to find and kill mafia. if we are to give a lot of attention to assassins, it should be to help them. we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. why not vote for protactinium? i seriously doubt he's bluffing, at least he can basically be trusted to be what he says he is. this keeps the role out of the hands of the mafia. if protact wins then the mayor goes away, which I'm fine with. that means the role can't be misused by a stupid townie or abused by a mafia. i'd rather just have no mayor and no pardoner anyway. so i'm voting for him. | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:55 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 13:54 chaoser wrote: This is a semi-open setup. Roles and their abilities will be disclosed, however role counts will not. Roles below may or may not be a part of this setup. Touche. Still, I think not having a medic would be pretty insane. more than likely: 2 medics 2 dts 1 vig 2 vets 2 nosy neighbors | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:31 tnkted wrote: Yeah we better make this clear: when you vote, vote in both threads. that way we can see who voted for what. not voting in this thread will be considered a scumtell, so be careful. no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better | ||
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On April 10 2011 13:59 Kavdragon wrote: Oh man, Protact, you just made my day. That was brilliant, but not quite thought through enough. The biggest problem, first and foremost, is that other assassins will be gunning for our body guards if you were Mayor/Pardoner. You may have two KP you are willing to lend us, but is it worth it if all the other assassins are going to be attacking townies because of it? Another problem is that putting you in the position of Pardoner OR mayor would give you information about the bodyguards, something that would be quite valuable to the mafia. Since your win condition is not the same as our, I don't think that it would be wise for us to trust you with that information. I loved the idea when I first read it, because I was thinking about how the assassins don't have a conflict of interest with the town, so it'd be great to get them working for us, but the problem becomes that we have to pick one of you to work with. That will set all the others against the town, and that counteracts the usefulness in a pretty big way. both those points are dumb you're mafia i'm like 80% sure | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:15 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 13:59 Kavdragon wrote: Oh man, Protact, you just made my day. That was brilliant, but not quite thought through enough. The biggest problem, first and foremost, is that other assassins will be gunning for our body guards if you were Mayor/Pardoner. You may have two KP you are willing to lend us, but is it worth it if all the other assassins are going to be attacking townies because of it? Another problem is that putting you in the position of Pardoner OR mayor would give you information about the bodyguards, something that would be quite valuable to the mafia. Since your win condition is not the same as our, I don't think that it would be wise for us to trust you with that information. I loved the idea when I first read it, because I was thinking about how the assassins don't have a conflict of interest with the town, so it'd be great to get them working for us, but the problem becomes that we have to pick one of you to work with. That will set all the others against the town, and that counteracts the usefulness in a pretty big way. both those points are dumb you're mafia i'm like 80% sure How exactly are the assassins going to prey upon our bodyguards effectively? They don't have contact with the Mafia, their own tools deprecate when used on non-assassin targets, and any open action they make to try to gain some sort of edge leaves them vulnerable to Protactinium who would be invulnerable and able to kill them. The point about him being able to sell bodyguards out is a little easier to see. I still think the benefits outweigh any possible negative, even if he were to try to double agent his way to victory. I agree with DrH on this early call. I think you're trying to guide us into a defensive position, which with 4 KP a night out there I don't want to be caught up in. sell bodyguards out for what? so they can kill him? there is absolutely no reason an assassin mayor would want mafia to know the identity of bodyguards and the mafia really have no incentive to kill him either. if i'm mafia and the mayor is an assassin I'm still thinking I want to kill: 1. good scumhunters 2. detectives 3. doctors 4. veterans/bodyguards in that order that's kind of a wacko situation imo | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:23 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:15 urashimakt wrote: How exactly are the assassins going to prey upon our bodyguards effectively? They don't have contact with the Mafia, their own tools deprecate when used on non-assassin targets, and any open action they make to try to gain some sort of edge leaves them vulnerable to Protactinium who would be invulnerable and able to kill them. The point about him being able to sell bodyguards out is a little easier to see. I still think the benefits outweigh any possible negative, even if he were to try to double agent his way to victory. I agree with DrH on this early call. I think you're trying to guide us into a defensive position, which with 4 KP a night out there I don't want to be caught up in. It dosn't matter how "effective" they are at hitting BGs it matters that they are going to be throwing more KP out there that are likely to hit town. While I agree that my greatest worry is not pissing off the other assassins at the moment, but rather losing a powerful town role in exchange for a dt check, (which is nice) and two kills (which have as much potential to hit town as scum, especially since our "friendly" assassin is going to probably go after whichever suggestions he finds most likely to be other assassins) Its not worth giving a powerful pro town role to someone who does not have our best interests at heart. I say NO to giving a pro-town role to a non-town person I was thinking this earlier: -before this, assassins only have incentive to kill other assassins -now assassins have incentive to kill bodyguards -it means nothing to the town of protactinium is killed -we have no way to force him to use his powers in a pro-town way. are we really going to waste a lynch on him just because he won't hit who the town tells him to? so this basically shifts assassin KP against us, I've changed my mind. | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:23 GMarshal wrote: On April 10 2011 14:15 urashimakt wrote: How exactly are the assassins going to prey upon our bodyguards effectively? They don't have contact with the Mafia, their own tools deprecate when used on non-assassin targets, and any open action they make to try to gain some sort of edge leaves them vulnerable to Protactinium who would be invulnerable and able to kill them. The point about him being able to sell bodyguards out is a little easier to see. I still think the benefits outweigh any possible negative, even if he were to try to double agent his way to victory. I agree with DrH on this early call. I think you're trying to guide us into a defensive position, which with 4 KP a night out there I don't want to be caught up in. It dosn't matter how "effective" they are at hitting BGs it matters that they are going to be throwing more KP out there that are likely to hit town. While I agree that my greatest worry is not pissing off the other assassins at the moment, but rather losing a powerful town role in exchange for a dt check, (which is nice) and two kills (which have as much potential to hit town as scum, especially since our "friendly" assassin is going to probably go after whichever suggestions he finds most likely to be other assassins) Its not worth giving a powerful pro town role to someone who does not have our best interests at heart. I say NO to giving a pro-town role to a non-town person I was thinking this earlier: -before this, assassins only have incentive to kill other assassins -now assassins have incentive to kill bodyguards -it means nothing to the town of protactinium is killed -we have no way to force him to use his powers in a pro-town way. are we really going to waste a lynch on him just because he won't hit who the town tells him to? so this basically shifts assassin KP against us, I've changed my mind. i realize this was basically kavdragons first point but I don't like the way he phrased it. I don't think the assassins will be "gunning" for townies but rather trying to kill eachother off and wait until the late game to deal with protactinium, but it still puts us in a weird late game situation and I'd rather avoid that. as far as the assassin game, I'd prefer if the town treated it pretty much with complete indifference | ||
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here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:36 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: medics shouldn't protect protactinium just let him die lol what a douche... why he isn't town so who cares if he is dead other assassins just kill him medics should protect big town targets and try to block mafia kp, not assassin kp | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote: It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him. The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me. Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said fos | ||
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how is that a "mafia' fos, why would you fos him for that. if the number of assassins is indeed 3, they'll just kill him tonight so who cares eii would make a shitty lynch | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he probably got confused with the amount of kills they have how is that a "mafia' fos, why would you fos him for that. if the number of assassins is indeed 3, they'll just kill him tonight so who cares eii would make a shitty lynch when you say fos you're implying what they said somehow implies they are mafia so i'd like you to explain that because it makes absolutely zero sense | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:48 Mig wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said fos I wasn't trying to repeat what others said I was typing the posts up at the same time. You can see my other post where I basically said the exact same thing as you went up at the same time. If my posts are just saying nothing then I don't have any defense against that haha. I am just adding points I thought were valid. it's just shit everyone else said, sounds like you're regurgitating the points strong players have made to make yourself sound agreeable somehow. if you were typing up that small post at the same time we already went through all that then you're the worlds slowest typist | ||
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On April 10 2011 14:51 Conversion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 14:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he probably got confused with the amount of kills they have how is that a "mafia' fos, why would you fos him for that. if the number of assassins is indeed 3, they'll just kill him tonight so who cares eii would make a shitty lynch when you say fos you're implying what they said somehow implies they are mafia so i'd like you to explain that because it makes absolutely zero sense Where in my post, if you're directing this to me, did I state "mafia FoS?" FoS means that I am just watching him. Whether we share the same definition for a mafia term would just boil down into an argument of nothing (and inevitably spam/clutter), so can we avoid that? from mafiawiki "... used to formally indicate 'you're being watched.' " finger of suspicion as in "i suspect you of being mafia but not really enough to vote" if you suspect him of being assassin who cares? you basically implied in your post that he would be a possible lynch candidate which is nonsensical if you think he's an assassin in the first place. | ||
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On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote: What are you even arguing here? I can't FoS someone for being an assassin? So now you're telling me that I can only FoS possible lynch targets? You can have a completely different definition of FoS in your head compared to the one I have in mine. I understand that you like spamming up threads (you even have a reputation of it), but really? What are you even pointing at here? Am I mafia for misusing FoS in your opinion? Am I mafia for FoSing and assassin, when GMarshal prodded me to speak? Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play. Stop arguing about silly things, it's getting you nowhere. If you somehow deduce that I'm scum from senseless arguments like these kudos to you for failing. im not arguing im trying to understand your terrible post | ||
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On April 10 2011 15:08 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:58 GMarshal wrote: Because as far as I can tell you are playing to your usual town meta. However if you are bored I can give you questions Between all the mayor candidates, which do you think is most likely scum (Assuming they are running) ? Name 2 players who you expected to see more action from who are not posting as much as you think they should Favorite SC BW map? lol last time you thought I was town you were wrong =P Kav is probably most scummy out of you me and kav. Kita's is a throw away campaign. I think you should be mayor, I can be pardoner and we can lead the town into an era of prosperity. I'd rather I be pardoner but I love balls to the wall play and having a black in office and taking up a spot for sure instead of a red is appealing so he'd be a third place runner after me in my book. I want ON and Tackster to speak up. ON because he came in, said some throwaway stuff, voted you and then didn't say anything else. Even though just moments before Prot did his balls to the wall claim. ON hasn't said a single thing. Whether that's cause he's busy or cause he's afraid of commenting on it cause he's mafia and needs to consult his team is up in the air. I'mma keep a close watch on him all game. Tackster because he posted well in insane II and I hope to see more of the same. He's on the other side of the world so I understand time differences would cause him to not be posting right now. Wuthering Heights because it used the Twilight template and also because it's named after the saddest book I've ever read. im running too you know | ||
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On April 10 2011 15:10 Conversion wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 15:02 Conversion wrote: Yes I am new and I would rather not speak because I'd make a lot of mistakes that would lead to scum reads from the players that can't differentiate from scum and bad townie play. Thanks, I like to know that I am terrible. You're a great help, Mr. "if you think someone is an assassin announce it" I never realized there was a part in there that said "if you're a terrible poster, I'm going to attack you for FoSing an assassin." build a bridge and get over it from your poorly constructed post it was easy to misunderstand that you thought eiii might have been mafia and were even implying he was a lynch candidate and instead of clearing up what you meant you got whiny and defensive and sarcastic and then try to flip it and make me look bad somehow not exactly the towniest way to conduct yourself but i have bigger fish to fry like mib and kavdragon On April 10 2011 15:10 chaoser wrote: You were a non-issue in my head lol. GM+chaoser for XXXVIII MAYORAL CAMPAIGN 2011! im actually offended | ||
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On April 10 2011 15:13 GMarshal wrote: Frankly I think Dr.H is a terrible candidate for mayor, (no offense intended) as his track record in town leadership has mafia winning most times. I think he is a fine player, and I'm happy to have him doing analysis and such, but I dont want him in a position where the entire town follows him as he has a rather large tendency to second guess himself. Also I can agree with a GMarshal, chaoser mayoral campaign, choaser, you are in charge of the posters. Sorry kav, but I have to vote for my new running mate ##Unvote ##Vote: Chaoser note in insane mafia the game went to shit after i died and i was leading town to killing the mafia and had ace/pandain pinned down as mafia in my mind also in salem i just made a bad second guess mistake. not my fault everyone fucking claimed to me by day 2, i never asked for it | ||
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On April 10 2011 15:12 kitaman27 wrote: 'Cmon now town. I go away for a couple hours and come back to see we are considering electing an assassin. He does not have a town win condition. He has no incentive to help town. All the people that were talking about how we need a strong "leader" in office, do you really think a third party would be that person? To lead the town to victory? Leave him to die by night kill. That's one less non-town we have to worry about. You may now commence the yelling of "OMG kita doesn't want to elect an assassin. He must be an assassin!" Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it We have our first major contradiction here. Pre-game he does not want to be mayor. He recieves his role pm and decides to run. FOS DrH Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 12:39 chaoser wrote: I am willing, unlike Kita, to make the difficult choices. If I feel an unjust lynch is being made and that the second highest person being voted on is actually mafia, I will make that call and I will pardon. It will be an informed decision and I will explain my actions in a satisfactory way but I will not sit around twiddling my fingers when I think a wrong is about to occur. At least as pardoner, I promise to read the rules. It doesn't matter if the second highest person is mafia. When a pardon is used, no one is lynched. Sounds like you don't want the pardoner role in my hands. We're you planning to run for the pardoner specifically before I announced my campaign or after you saw me running? i changed my mind recently because i dont trust anyone else who is running id vote for tknter or whatever if he ran, thats the only person giving me a town read right now | ||
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On April 10 2011 20:08 aidnai wrote: Kita is definitely overreacting against Protact. Good DT check right there. DrH, will you please shut up a bit? you are playing the same way you did back in insane 1... I want the new players to speak up, but it won't happen if you keep biting their heads off and/or drowning them with your spamming. Instead of reacting to every little thing you disagree with, wait and see who else disagrees, who lets it slide, who likes it, etc. I would consider protact a good candidate for pardoner or mayor. One question that is vital though: I have never seen town use "gift KP" well, so how do you intend to put your KP to town use? especially with a town this size, a vote is going to be a nightmare. You could have the mayor pick your targets, but that puts even more power into one pair of hands. Leaving it to your discretion is...lawl. funny cause that was my best game and town definitely would have won if i didnt die or was just slightly MORE brash and confident On April 10 2011 19:57 Robellicose wrote: I agree with the many people who have argued against protact for mayor. I would simply rather have someone who I read as town in the position and protect protact with the pardoner position. I'm feeling highly suspicious of Dr.H at the moment, he seems to be very combative whilst not putting out a huge amount of his own ideas, just shooting down other peoples and trying to deflect any calm decision making. FoS DoctorHelvetica ##Vote GMarshal what does that even mean? here are my ideas: -protact should not be mayor -it absolutely does not matter if protact dies, let the assassins kill him -kavdragon and mib are mafia -we as a town should disregard the assassin game, let it resolve itself, focus on finding mafia I've been pressuring people who I see as posting badly and gauging their reactions. Just because I'm not being nice or posting walls of text with a bunch of worthless "information" doesn't mean anything at all | ||
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On April 11 2011 01:31 Jackal58 wrote: Actually every vote he makes is directed by town. He'll always be in a lylo situation. that's terrible the mayor should never consider what the "town" wants him to do. that's the main point of my campaign. i will not use my votes based on the general consensus of the town I will always vote for what I think is best and I will disregard the wishes of the "town" completely | ||
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On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote: Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have. I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). | ||
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On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote: I'm fine with having Protactinum as pardoner, if he will use his KP on targets decided by town a few days in, when we got a better read on who's red. For this to happen we lose the pardoner, which is a pretty useless role for town anyways, and gain vigi, a good trade in my opinion. Just remember Protactinum has a different win condition, so he won't win the game for us. Since he will only help us to the degree it serves his purpose, he will blow his KP on the assassins if they are silly enough to out themselves before we find mafia. But that is a small risk I'm willing to take. Since he obviously can't be our mayor, we should keep focus on our candidates: Chaoser, are you still running? I felt kinda off when you put a FoS on one of the only active new people. Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy. GMarshal, you honestly want to lynch the most inactive player? That person is never going to be mafia. DrH, it seems like several people are suspicious of your alignment? From all the candidates, I'm interested in hearing how you think our pardoner should be used, the way you will be using your mayor role, and your current mafia reads. To town: it's us who decides who we want as mayor, so don't be shy to ask questions to the candidates, or write your opinions of them. Remember it's the silent ones that gets killed first! yeah i should probably not say so much trolling shit in the pregame | ||
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On April 11 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote: Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have. I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). I think scum want to be mayor first and foremost. yeah and having an assassin mayor is really the next best thing | ||
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2)he has no incentive to do anything for us 3)a mayor that does whatever "Town" tells him to do out of fear of lynch is a TERRIBLE mayor 4)protact could just as well be making a very ballsy scum bluff imo the mayor should be me or Gmarshal. I get the strongest town read from Gmarshal right now. We shouldn't be so petrified of having a mafia mayor that we elect a worthless third party mayor. We have no incentive to keep protact alive, he has no incentive to help us, we're basically just discarding the role of mayor out of fear. On April 11 2011 03:08 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 02:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 02:57 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote: Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have. I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). I think scum want to be mayor first and foremost. yeah and having an assassin mayor is really the next best thing And having a scum mayor is the worst case scenario for town. And I'm aware that Protactinum may be scum not assassin. If he is he has balls bigger than he's already been given credit for. I honestly think towns best interest in this is to keep scum from getting the mayors seat. I don't understand this. You admit protact could very well be scum yet you're voting for him because you just want a non-scum mayor. I think our focus should be getting a pro-town mayor. GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:34 GMarshal wrote: Alright protact I see you points, I'm not going to vote for you, but I won't actively oppose you either. I do not think you have the town's best interests at heart and I think that your whole "I'm in it for the glory" spiel is an attempt to manipulate the town. But you *are* one of the best analysts around, and I wouldn't object to having you by my side as a pardoner, assuming you actually wanted to help the town. Frankly I'm torn so I think it best to let the town choose Regarding my "I'll lynch the most inactive player" I think I'm going to redact that to "I'll lynch the player who I feel is lurking the most" by lurking I mean posting content-less posts while trying to appear pro town. Is that ok with everyone? Or would you guys prefer if I just hit the most inactive person? why don't you think for yourself and lynch the person you think is scummiest instead of doing what the "town" (i.e mafia) wants you to do th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you | ||
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big long posts with absolutely zero content, giving basic obvious "advice" to appear helpful while providing no real direction or ideas for town, when confronted becomes defensive and tries to spin it to make me look scummy instead of doing anything helpful this is really common for mafia they post things they think look "pro-town" but are really just contentless, I feel pretty good about him over other players. Perhaps mib since he basically just regurgitated points everyone else made without posting a single original thought and that's pretty common for newer scum | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:47 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you STFU DOCH bite me | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:50 Coagulation wrote: SERIOUSLY THERE IS LESS THAN A MINUTE BETWEEN THOSE 2 POSTS WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU? and in contrast you have been so helpful ~ | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl | ||
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On April 11 2011 03:54 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl lmao I've put forth quite a few ideas. Particularly about how the mayor should act (autonomously), how we should deal with the assassin game, why protact should not be mayor, and who I suspect of being mafia and why (mib and kavdragon) There is always a reason for being aggressive even if you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there. However, I think I've done all the damage I can for now. Unfortunately this isn't a PM game or I'd be harassing everyone that way instead. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:03 Coagulation wrote: Doch plays Aggressively.. nothing new here. However he plays scum even more Aggressively. so its something that you can only get a read on over time. A FOS on Doch at this point is pretty pointless. if there were pms i wouldn't be so aggressive i could just annoy people that way D: | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:15 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates. so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted. On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. i'll kill you and make love to the corpse | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:15 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates. so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted. Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:19 GMarshal wrote: On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote: On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. The fuck? AO, you are making absolutely no sense. @Jackal, yes I *did* fuck up in XXXVII, but do I get no credit for guessing enough of the scum team day 1 in Insane 2 to make them kill me? Also as far as your lurking goes, I've only seen you make 4-5 real posts... Wtf makes you think in any way shape or form that I'm lurking????? If it's because my first post wasn't until this morning blame BB for starting the game early. Sorry but I have to sleep sometime. Since I got up I've been posting all over this bitch. Town wants town in office. I don't care if protactinium dies and neither should you. I want a town player in office, I'm sorry if you're not good enough to get a town read on someone who is running. So because I don't want an assassin mayor therefore i am assassin/scum good logic. oh wait no it isnt | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:44 tnkted wrote: We can't have protract be mayor. If he plays to his win condition at all, we're left with a mayor who people will constantly second-guess, whose three votes will almost certainly be countered by three switched votes from players who will vote the opposite way of him. In addition, the controversy his every vote will cause will give mafia an excellent opportunity to slip between the cracks and promote conflict in the town. Regardless of whether or not he is the best candidate, electing him would be extremely detrimental to town, if for no other reason than the fact that people are so divided over this. Personally, I don't think he's actually demonstrated to me that hes really the assassin and not the GF framing himself black. If he's who he says he is, then he is absolutely capable of pulling such a trick over on us. Who could possibly counterclaim? Another assassin? They don't know if he's one of them or not. In fact, if I was the godfather and a vet, this is precisely the strategy I would use to get elected mayor. I'd tell everyone I am 'so sick of mafia, I just want to make this game fun' and I would rely on my reputation to convince people that I know what I'm doing. I think I made clear in the previous earlygame (insane 2) my opinion on relying on reputation when I opposed Kav's mayoral campaign. However, he is a tried and proven player and an excellent analyzer. As such, I am tempted to keep him alive... but on a leash. He can't be in a position of power, but to lose such an excellent player this early in the game would be pretty painful. Nonetheless, we are presented with an opportunity here. We have a known target. We can be 100% certain that if we don't elect Protract he is going to be hit tonight. Tnkted's Plan We don't elect Protract. Instead, we use him as bait. Watcher should watch Protract. In the morning, you should post everyone who visited him. Any assassins that visit protract in the night will be revealed to each other (something I'm certain they don't want) and any mafia trying to hit our strongest player will be revealed as well. Of course, we reveal our watcher in this plan, but is it worth it to the assassins to trade their anonymity for one kill? It would completely end their parts in the game by the second night, and would turn an enjoyable game of lurking in the shadows into certain death. Thoughts? bait for what? we don't care about the assassins why would we waste the watchers night action trying to catch assassins that absolutely dont matter to us also assassins can't kill n1 | ||
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i have a bad feeling this entire game is about to be about protact/discussing the assassin game. this is the least important thing we could possibly talk about. | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:52 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 04:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:27 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:15 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum. Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates. so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted. Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma. You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin. On April 11 2011 04:19 GMarshal wrote: On April 11 2011 04:16 AirbladeOrange wrote: On April 11 2011 04:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Would any of the Mayor candidates think about taking out Dr. H? great idea did your mafia friends tell you to suggest it? I'm thinking about voting for you for Mayor actually. But only if you will take me out. You can run on the kill airbladeorange platform. The fuck? AO, you are making absolutely no sense. @Jackal, yes I *did* fuck up in XXXVII, but do I get no credit for guessing enough of the scum team day 1 in Insane 2 to make them kill me? Also as far as your lurking goes, I've only seen you make 4-5 real posts... Wtf makes you think in any way shape or form that I'm lurking????? If it's because my first post wasn't until this morning blame BB for starting the game early. Sorry but I have to sleep sometime. Since I got up I've been posting all over this bitch. Town wants town in office. I don't care if protactinium dies and neither should you. I want a town player in office, I'm sorry if you're not good enough to get a town read on someone who is running. So because I don't want an assassin mayor therefore i am assassin/scum good logic. oh wait no it isnt If he's not elected I don't give two shits about him. He won't last night 1. And your pro town reads got you far in mini mafiaV when node played you like a baby grand. So don't try to pass off your exceptional ability to differentiate. Scum want scum in the mayors seat. That is the only 100% truth. ok | ||
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On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:05 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: LOL and he wants protact to reveal the bodyguards hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Why is this a bad idea? How about you stop being a douche and instead debate my ideas? no they're too stupid to even talk about | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:06 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo Sigh. I'm not assassin. Look at protracts logic: anyone that disagrees with his arguments is mafia? Of course not. If I was black or mafia I'd be supporting his campaign along with everyone else because it would let be blend in much better and the tide of public opinion is extremely pro-protract at the moment. Scum doesn't vote for what makes sense to their game-plan unless they absolutely have to. They vote with public opinion because it lets them blend in better. Theres a reason people fear band wagoning so much. im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote: On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day. This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition. Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town. we have no reason to care about protacts win condition this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this? I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF. pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:19 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this? I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF. pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? The scum and scummier platform???? i think you're red too so this is cute | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:19 Pandain wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:07 AirbladeOrange wrote: On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 04:56 Protactinium wrote: So I have said that I want to help the town purely because of fun. You have no way to believe me, correct? Well how about I start proving what I said then. It's day 1, there's plenty of information out there to do some analysis and reveal a plan. There are two ways mafia and/or assassins can react to my campaign. 1) Ignore my post or minimalize it 2) Actively fight against it You can 100% bet that they will not be supporting my candidacy. Assassins in particular must be vocal. Naturally, they do not want me elected whatsoever. In addition assassins and mafia can and will freely attack me because it's very easy to make up some nonsense about why I should not be elected, and lo and behold, a number have already done that. Some will be townie, but I dare say there's a very nice probability that at least half are mafia or assassin. The first point is also interesting. It would be rather unlikely for a townie to look at my candidacy and not have a strong opinion on it one way or another: it's a polarizing issue. You either like it or you don't. We'll cover that in a future post, as it caught a few other suspects. List of People attacking my campaign, openly or subtly. AKA Mafia & Assassin list
tnkted mig kitaman Kavdragon Wiggles Darmousseh Dropbear Robellicose Coagulation Note that DoctorHelvetica is not on this list even though he is opposing me quite heavily, because he changed his stance over time. Upon seeing my campaign, Mafia and Assassins would instantly think "I don't want this guy in office" and their posts would reflect that. DoctorHelvetica, on the other hand, came in supporting me initially and changed his opnion over time upon reflecting on it more. I suppose this could have been an act but I'd rather go with Occam's Razor for now, making me think he is town. This list will have for certain 1 assassin and highly likely both of them because they cannot let me get into office (yes there are 3 assassins). As the Assassins also know they are on this list, they will also find it very likely that their counterpart will be on the list too. However, this list is going to also have multiple mafia on it. I'm guessing 2-3. Why Mafia? Quite simply, they don't want an invincible double shot vigi and a free rolecheck visible to all, and also, someone who they absolutely cannot manipulate the town to kill. The best part? The assassins only have 1 rolecheck and will have to fire into a group of people that has a high concentration of mafia in order to find their enemy. We can lynch from this list if you want, but tbh we really don't need to. Assassins will sort out the matter themselves or forfeit all chances of winning. Lastly, a lot of people seem to be missing the point of my election, talking about some nonsense of how I might be mafia (LOL) or I won't help the town at all (which as you can see above is patently not true). However, who cares? The main points are: 1) You get TWO vigi hits, aka you double or more the town's non-lynch kp, and a dt check publicly known. This is quite important, as all too often dt's die before revealing any of their findings or are so trapped by fear that they won't reveal anything anyways. 2) You know I'm not mafia, so the town can't blow the game like it has many times in the past by lynching its own elected roles, of which there is a substantial and inherent pull to do. tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo What are your reasonings? I feel like its impossible to think we know much of anything at this point. How can you even say we "know you're not mafia?" I may be the village idiot, but I acknowledge the fact that we don't really know anything. At least as a collective group. Both Kavdragon and Gmarshal had decent posts for mayor, but you just never know. Unless you know thing that I or others do not. i already explained why i think kavdragon is mafia and mib tknted as assassin is a gut read, of course i dont have neough information to make a serious case On April 11 2011 05:10 Pandain wrote: On April 11 2011 05:08 TranceStorm wrote: On April 11 2011 04:56 Pandain wrote: But this is the PANDAIN PLAN 1.Proctat reveal the two bodyguards. 2. Watchers are HEAVILY advised to visit these people. Obviously there may not be a watcher(even though there likely is.) But the most important thing is that the threat remains the same. This makes it very risky for the other assasins to even attempt to shoot the bodyguards for fear of losing. They will most likely have to wait a couple days, during which we shall have ample time to find them. Proctat will be helping town while still fulfilling his role condition. There is no reason not to vote for him. Sure, this will keep the bodyguards alive and keep the the people elected alive, but it will definitely take away the usefulness of the watcher, since the mafia/assassins' will be guaranteed to steer clear of them. Furthermore, if the mafia/assassins were to accidentally hit the watchers, the following turn we could be pretty sure that the bodyguards would be dead as well since they've been outed. The watcher isn't that great of a role anyway, barring the INCREDIBLY unlikely situation that he ends up checking someone who died that day. This way the watcher shall be helping to confirm two townies, as well as help Proctat confirm his win condition. Given that they hit the watchers, that's (less) than the chance they accidently hit a bodyguard. So really no real problem. And anyway it's not too bad if Proctat dies given that he's not town. we have no reason to care about protacts win condition this ties down the watcher and forces them to be part of the assassin game instead of using their pwoer for scumhunting am i insane? am i the only person here that thinks we should focus our effort on catching mafia and not dealing with assassin bullshit? this whole thing has gotten out of hand and now you fucking blue claimed which is absolutely retarded. game ruined day 1 because tl town can't stop shitting the bed when there is any sort of weird mechanic/third party it's all we talk about We don't have reason to care about Proctat's win condition except for the fact that by helping him, he will help us. It's a win-win situation if he gets elected as mayor. And are you really saying that the watcher is a "scum hunting" role. The only way he might be able to help is if he visits the person who dies. I think that helping to confirm two townies is by FAR a better use of a watcher. Furthormore we are talking about who should be mayor. Day 1 mafia hunting is going to often be wrong, and you out of all people should know that. The most important thing(considering its hardly been a day since its started) right now is saying who should be mayor, especially since he decides the lynch. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong What happened to the "oh let's not argue. I won't comment on your plan at all because its wrong." Its undeinable that having one less 3rd party is better for town. It's undeniable that its better to have less anti town people in the game. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this? I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF. pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? Broski are you really saying that coag and you are the duo or reason in this game? lol how is the watcher not a scumhunting role, the point of the watcher is that you visit someone who died that night and that's a pretty good power. using it to keep bodyguards alive to protect an assassin we have no reason to care about is utterly retarded if we elect protact this game will become about the assassins game. let him die, he's worthless, vote for the mayor you feel is most town-like and focus on drawing scum out/provoking them and knocking them down later. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:26 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah me and coagulation are the most reasonable right now Objection! Alternative GMarshal/Chaoser 2011! We'll win the game AND get your Chinese Princess Back! gmarshal is wishy washy and you supported protact i'm obviously the best choice also my behavior is clearly the most pro-town anyone can see this | ||
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This is the big tl;dr post where I explain all my thoughts I think I've done all the poking and prodding I can. We're in a sticky situation and we need to make the best of it. So I'll lay out my platform simply. -Protactinium should NOT be mayor. The mayor role is designed to be very helpful to either town/mafia depending on who gets it. Our goal is not to simply have non-scum as mayor, our goal is to have town as mayor. Why? More votes. Protactinium has no interest in who is lynched, he will simply vote the way the "town" wants him to so that he is not lynched himself. This is bad. Huh? Shouldn't the mayor use his votes the way the town wants? No, because the town is quite often wrong. Mafia will manipulate/split bandwagons and then try to influence the mayor to pad the lynch they want. The mayor should always vote for the person HE thinks is scum. The mayor should act autonomously and vote based on his own thoughts and instincts. An autonomous third party mayor is a terrible idea, an autonomous town-aligned mayor is not. -I'm okay with Protactinium being Pardoner. This will give him some protection and allow us to threaten him into using his DT check/kill power where we want it. The pardoner power is pretty insignificant compared to the mayoral power and I suppose we could make some use of him. As long as our focus is using proactinium to find scum NOT using him to find other assassins. -Pandain is stupid and bad. You should never roleclaim DT day 1 and he is essentially using his role to hold us hostage into voting for him. This makes perfect sense if he is godfather and it makes even more sense if he is on a scumteam with Protactinium. Unfortunately, DT is probably the most valuable town role and I really hate the idea of just letting him die. Pandain is a terrible scumhunter and is bad at almost every aspect of the game and the idea of him in a leadership position makes my skin crawl. I would be okay if he was pardoner and no one took him seriously/listened to him by accident. -This idea that you can't scumhunt on day 1 is retarded. That's my favorite bad point to make when I'm mafia. yeah the game is designed on the assumption that town mislynches on the first day. But we should all absolutely be focused on figuring out who is scum, who isn't. What is each persons motivation. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY POSTING THIS. that's the question you should ask! Not: -what contradictions do they make (townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia) i'm gonna repeat that 100 times for emphasis: townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium Gmarshal/Pandain Scenarios I prefer: Myself/Pandain Myself/Coagulation Myself/Gmarshal Gmarshal/Myself Gmarshal/Pandain Pandain might be the DT. Give him a worthless role like pardoner and watch him closely. I don't want to throw the DT away or waste medics on someone like him. Who I feel comfortable lynching and why: Kavdragon - His posts after role PMs were sent were designed to do two things. To seem as pro-town and helpful as possible and to contribute nothing at all. Lots of obvious "advice" and redundant bullshit. When called out he becomes defensive and tries to turn the tables on me. Not good. However kavdragon is a useful player if town, this is a risky lynch choice but I have a strong scum read on him. mib - Same deal. Tries to "contribute" but says nothing at all. Regurgitates talking points from previously in the thread and has a bad excuse to explain why that is. He's a new player and mostly inactive so lynching him should be no big loss if he's town anyway. So that's my thoughts. My plan is to have myself as mayor, I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. If bodyguards start dying, lynch pandain. He's an idiot so it won't be long before he fucks up if he faked his roleclaim, so I feel pretty safe about that. | ||
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On April 11 2011 05:58 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The assassins are going to turn into the Item Game of Insane 2.... I was scum that game, so what I did, was try to keep everyone focused on the item game and away from actual analysis. I see the same thing starting to happen now, where town is going to latch onto the assassin game and get too distracted from everything else when it should be a non-issue... Anyways, Why giving out both the names of the bodyguards is not a very good idea: At their core, the bodyguard and pardoner are supposed to be very powerful roles that we would like to get a hold of and use for the benefit of the town. When used correctly, these roles seem like they'd be more than capable of wreaking havoc on the mafia and bringing town victory. If no mafia are elected into office, and they are not confident that they can sway the mayor easily, the best course of action for the reds is to kill the mayor/pardoner. In order to do so, they must first kill the two bodyguards. These bodyguards are unrevealed to the town and mafia, so first mafia need to find them as well. Now, you, Pandain, want to reveal the bodyguards to everyone. Why? To ostensibly put trackers on them in order to catch any assassins/mafia who want to take a shot at the mayor. However, doing this is cringe-worthy to say the least. So why wouldn't it work out? Mafia have four KP, and there are supposedly two other assassins. This means, that if there are no medics, that mafia can kill the two bodyguards as well as the mayor and pardoner in one fell swoop. So, what we'd achieve, is the entire public office dead, traded at the cost of one mafia revealed. The only way to counteract that, would be if we now, IN ADDITION to our trackers, put medic protection on the bodyguards as well. So, you're asking us to focus all of our blue power on two people. But then we just get into a WIFOM spiral where we need to decide to protect either the bodyguards to the detriment of all other pro-town players or other players to the detriment of our bodyguards and mayor/pardoner. In my opinion, this becomes too convoluted to even work with, when compared to keeping the bodyguards known only to the mayor/pardoner. In other words, a bad idea. you're a reasonable man i like you everyone listen to this guy if you don't you're bad or scum | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:01 Pandain wrote: actually you know what. IT would still work. I just don't run. I'm not dt why do you fake claim in every single fucking game | ||
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so vote for me and put protact in as pardoner so we can at least force him to use his powers for us without wasting a significant role on him imo | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote: A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments. I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time. The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him. Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him. I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments. Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious. now im 100% sure | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:10 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so vote for me and put protact in as pardoner so we can at least force him to use his powers for us without wasting a significant role on him imo we can't "force" him to do anything without hurting the town... we've gone through this, the only conceivable plan of forcing him to do anything wastes far too many town resources. We can *hope* he does what he says he will, and I'm not voting based on *hope*. Either way, I'm done arguing about pro. I think if he is at least put up as pardoner then we will shut up about him at least. As long as he agrees to use his check on our whim I don't see the problem with that. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:12 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:01 Pandain wrote: actually you know what. IT would still work. I just don't run. I'm not dt After reading through Pandain's flight of fancy, I just wanted to give my two cents. Assuming Pandain is either green or scum, which I'm going to because anything else is going to break my brain/heart/misc vital organs, I still believe protecting Protact with the Pardoner position only is a good idea. Arguing about assassin business is not. Just forget he's an assassin imo, which is why I don't endorse him for Mayor. That would make it impossible to forget he's black. I have no idea about who should be mayor. I want someone who's calm, collected, and proven a good analyst. Someone people can get behind and argue with without creating a mess for scum to hide behind. The more vets post about each mayoral candidate and their thoughts, the better reads we newbies can get on the whole thing. Sorry if any of my points are disagreeable, I am admittedly new at this. i'm the most calm and collected person here | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:13 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 06:10 GMarshal wrote: On April 11 2011 06:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so vote for me and put protact in as pardoner so we can at least force him to use his powers for us without wasting a significant role on him imo we can't "force" him to do anything without hurting the town... we've gone through this, the only conceivable plan of forcing him to do anything wastes far too many town resources. We can *hope* he does what he says he will, and I'm not voting based on *hope*. Either way, I'm done arguing about pro. I think if he is at least put up as pardoner then we will shut up about him at least. As long as he agrees to use his check on our whim I don't see the problem with that. No, quite the opposite. If we put him as pardoner, he will be scrutinized and distract the town for the first half of the game. The real way for us to stop talking about him is to not elect him and let him get night killed by the other assassins. Pandain does have a point that if he's elected he is somehow accountable to us to use his powers in a pro-town way. Pardoner isn't a very useful role for town. I do worry though that too much attention will be focused on protactinium. If the town can hold itself together and manipulate protact while still focusing on scumhunting that would be great but maybe I'm too optimistic. | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:14 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote: Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy. Yes, sorry about that. Regardless of whether or not I win, I'm going to be trying to help everyone get jump started. I'm currently working on a rather large post, but it was interrupted by a sudden realization. I'll reveal later, but it wouldn't make sense to do so now. Hopefully I'll have both done by this afternoon. i hope your realization is that i am scum | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:21 AirbladeOrange wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 06:14 Kavdragon wrote: On April 10 2011 21:17 Barundar wrote: Kavdragon, I feel you need to put more effort into your campaign, you posted a lot during night 0, but seem to have gone more quiet around your own candidacy. Yes, sorry about that. Regardless of whether or not I win, I'm going to be trying to help everyone get jump started. I'm currently working on a rather large post, but it was interrupted by a sudden realization. I'll reveal later, but it wouldn't make sense to do so now. Hopefully I'll have both done by this afternoon. i hope your realization is that i am scum Stay tuned for the dramatic announcement! I thought his posts before the game started were decent, but not I'm not so sure. I guess we can decide after the big announcement is made. I hope it's juicy. why? yeah they're "good" advice and thats why scum post like that, but it really comes off as a front to me see aidnai in experimental mini mafia for a great example of what im talking about | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:24 The_Roist wrote: On April 11 2011 04:54 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 04:51 The_Roist wrote: I've never seen a game get so worked up over a ninja/witch hunt before. Never one that the town has won anyway... We always brawl on day 1. Do you guys? Its my first time playing Mafia with TL, you guys are far more...aggressive? Then the guys i'm used to playing with. It's the BROOKLYN RAGE in all of us. Show nested quote + Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium I concur but....Y U NO INCLUDE ME???? my read on you is blank, that's why | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:37 Barundar wrote: In loving memory: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:29 Robellicose wrote: On April 11 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote: A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments. I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time. The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him. Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him. I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments. Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious. now im 100% sure Going to agree with you here. This just makes mig sooo much more suspicious. Also withdrawing my suspicion from you DocH. Your posts that made me worry have been outweighed by the solid ones since. Also Pandain, if you're going to fake roleclaim, on Day 1 no less, then we can't trust anything you're going to do for the rest of the game really. can we lynch him soon please? I find it interesting you want to lynch someone you don't think is scum. I have a much clearer town read on GMarshal than on DrH, and I find lynching kavdragon day 1 silly. why is it silly what about mib why do you think gmarshal is town? | ||
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On April 11 2011 06:58 OriginalName wrote: My scum reads: Pandain - Fakeclaim into lolno sorry not DT Protact - Assassin or Mafia Kavs arguement against him is solid My not sure reads: DrH - Why so aggro bro? Leaning scum Chaoser - Leaning pro town would be imo a great pardoner Everyone not listed (Most leaning town to various degrees) Town Reads: Kavdragon - This is not his scum style at all GMarshal Tnk great analysis thx 4 contributing | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:02 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:55 GMarshal wrote: Fuck, I had to decide to check the thread before leaving Kav, I think that your call that Dr.H is scum is flat out wrong, there's no way (in my mind) that the scum team would put out two vets like that day one, especially considering one of them is a really, really influential and powerful player. Still if you get mayor which of them do you think you would lynch? Tbh I have a town read on Dr.H for his mindless aggression, it reminds me sort of coag, except perhaps more refined. Why not? Refuge in audacity has its uses. While I will state that if DrH is not scum Protact is the assassin. DrH: What happens if Kav turns ou town after hes lynched D1? Protact: Why should we trust you to use your shots for town instead of backstabbing us? if he's town then i admit i was wrong and then we move on? it's very rare that anyone is correct in 100% of their scumreads and I'm exaggerating my sureness to provoke reactions. I'm about 70% on kav in favor of him being mafia, but of course there is a chance he's town. nothing is really sure in mafia. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if I was wrong. I feel better about mib, i'd rather lynch him and get protact in as pardoner and have him use his check on kav. | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:23 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i have a plan and a reason for doing what i do ok trust me mac daddy curiously town lynched takster on a phrase just like this in insane 2. Did you read the part of my campaign where I tell people to provide reasons? Specifically the part about we ignore people who don't explain their reasons? yeah i read it i just didn't care | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:34 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers... THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative! i'll kill your entire fucking family j/k I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act. | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:39 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:34 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers... THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative! i'll kill your entire fucking family j/k I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act. Thanks! + Show Spoiler + I retract that if you continue I still think you're mafia by the way. This is by no means me kowtowing to you, but this aggressive behavior is no longer working in my favor and I'm sure the mafia have already caught on to what I'm trying to do. | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:49 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:39 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:34 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers... THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative! i'll kill your entire fucking family j/k I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act. Thanks! + Show Spoiler + I retract that if you continue I still think you're mafia by the way. This is by no means me kowtowing to you, but this aggressive behavior is no longer working in my favor and I'm sure the mafia have already caught on to what I'm trying to do. So you pressured me all that time, spammed that much, and still didn't get a read on me? W/e. If you're done with the agressive behavior, I'm done yelling at you for it. my read is mafia i had that read from the beginning i got some other reads yet that i need to consider more wholly later though, it wasn't fruitless | ||
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On April 11 2011 07:52 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:49 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:39 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:34 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers... THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative! i'll kill your entire fucking family j/k I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act. Thanks! + Show Spoiler + I retract that if you continue I still think you're mafia by the way. This is by no means me kowtowing to you, but this aggressive behavior is no longer working in my favor and I'm sure the mafia have already caught on to what I'm trying to do. So you pressured me all that time, spammed that much, and still didn't get a read on me? W/e. If you're done with the agressive behavior, I'm done yelling at you for it. my read is mafia i had that read from the beginning i got some other reads yet that i need to consider more wholly later though, it wasn't fruitless Lol, sorry I meant the right read. Heh. that looks like I planned that now. w/e don't care. i don't think anyone will have the balls to lynch you day 1, even i don't, i'll wait until day 2 to make my case on you unless your tune changes | ||
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On April 11 2011 09:00 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol mr wiggles gives me the strongest town read Why? or is it your gut? Gut, it's the vibe I've been getting from him but I haven't combed through all his posts. | ||
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On April 11 2011 09:05 Coagulation wrote: Redff you been fucking calling everyone scum left and right. we get it. your the only town in game we get it. Its pretty clear when the candidates are #1 Assassin UMM IM NOT GONNA EXPLAIN WHY VOTING HIM IS BAD. NOPE. #2 Pandain LETS SEE FAKE DT CLAIM DAY1 AND WANTS ASSASSIN IN MAYOR SEAT. NOPE #3 Doch TO BUSY SHITTING ON ENTIRE TOWN TO FORMULATE A PLAN. NOPE. #4 Chaoser WANTS ASSASSIN AS PARDONER REALLY REALLY FUCKING BAD. NOPE. #5 KAVDRAGON. The only other REASONABLE Candidate aside from GM but Doch is putting me off of him. #6 Only player that has a town read from majority of players And isnt acting retarted. OK! Sit the fuck down redFF I formulated a plan it's just everyone ignores me when I post constructively : / | ||
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On April 11 2011 09:35 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: It may be overreacting, but this seems like perfect kita logic. I read every single post of PYP3 with excruciating detail, and let's not talk about how kitaman27 played... Cough cough shoot the pretty much confirmed townie that netted a ridiculous number of Mafia multiple times. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: I feel like I could say a lot more to you and lecture on and on for hours, but it's not worth it. Also, I didn't respond to you because you weren't worth responding to. This is exactly the same as your obstinate and utterly stupid play in PYP3: you don't see reason buddy. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:05 Protactinium wrote: You are historically not a pro-town player. PYP3 again . Nothing further needed on that. I highly doubt you're able to argue down a bandwagon, and as said before that's not how Pardons are to be used anyway. Is that going to be your response to everything? If you want to address my play in a game outside the thread then fine, but to bring it up 5 months later and use it as the basis for why you think I'm stupid just because I don't want a black in office is silly. Since you insist on bringing up PYP3 so much, how did it work out for the town when they decided to ally with the "SK third party"? chaoser redFF urashimakt Protactinium loses if town wins. Let me repeat that. Protactinium loses if town wins. This is a point he cannot deny. Therefore we do not want him around for late game. Giving him two bodyguards will likely bring him to late game. Incorrect | ||
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On April 11 2011 08:21 DarthThienAn wrote: ##Vote Pandain also no one voting for me wtf | ||
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On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... this post in 2 sentences: blablabla stuff other people already said. also i am too scared to make a decision so im gonna stall. | ||
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Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon | ||
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On April 11 2011 11:29 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... this post in 2 sentences: blablabla stuff other people already said. also i am too scared to make a decision so im gonna stall. This post in 1 sentence. I'm being a dick. this post in 1 second: i haven't done anything this whole game but criticize DrH and im old | ||
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On April 11 2011 11:23 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... This is your first post in this thread. You state the obvious, use a lot of filler sentences, and repeat pretty much exactly what other people have said e.g. you talk about how if protact were mayor he would be in a LYLO situation, something you would know has been already discussed if you actually read the thread. So assuming you have read the thread you seem to be posting without contributing. red said so well here my point is this is another one of those kavdragonesque "look at me contribute!" posts where he contributes nothing On April 11 2011 11:29 chaoser wrote: Bro, I'd vote for you but I already got my vote on Prot change it! | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On April 11 2011 11:31 AirbladeOrange wrote: I thought you were going to tone it down Dr. H? And for the record I don't believe you to be scum anymore. I think you're just upfront and bitter. Fine by me as long as you are as good as people think you are at this game. Ha, I'm a nice person but my point stands from earlier. I'm just teasing jackal. Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On April 11 2011 11:36 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 11:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 11:29 Jackal58 wrote: On April 11 2011 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote: This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through... Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... this post in 2 sentences: blablabla stuff other people already said. also i am too scared to make a decision so im gonna stall. This post in 1 sentence. I'm being a dick. this post in 1 second: i haven't done anything this whole game but criticize DrH and im old I've been critical of your dick swinging play style. Not the content of it. If I want to hear 13 year old punks call everybody an idiot I'll start playing on Battlenet again. That's alright. It rubs people the wrong way and that's not an accident. We've played together before so you know I'm not always like this. I got some good reactions and material to think about and I think this will make my Day 2 analysis much much stronger. The ends justifies the means if it means the town is better off later imo. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
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On April 11 2011 11:38 Jackal58 wrote: Ya pretty much. DocH calls it like it is. Coag types in caps and I get warnings. oh the wacky hijinks the three of us could get into | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 05:52 GMT
#1030
On April 11 2011 14:05 tnkted wrote: Ok I've been gone all day. Town. WTF. Where are all these emotional outbursts coming from? Almost all of the FoS's that have come out so far this game have been ridiculous, targeted at new players for not posting enough, or not reading properly, or acting like typical newbie players. DrH, some throwing accusations at people like they're candy. Read up, gather some information, and present it in a big large wall of text like everyone else does. Theres a reason we do it that way. Now, for newbies, you might not know who you should be listening to in this game if you're green (which you probably are since its your first game). You want to be listening to people with calm, levelheaded opinions, who have put a fair amount of thought and effort into their posts. You can tell these people by the amount that they post and the sheer quality of their posts. Spammers are generally not that helpful for analytic purposes. Here's my list of people that should be your role models, town or not town. This is how good mafia players behave in thread: Kita GM Protract ON Lanaia Kav myself () and urashimakt is doing pretty good too, for a newbie. There are a few other players that are doing well, but those 7 are the ones you should pay attention to when they post. Keep in mind that you should be reading their stuff with an open mind; feel free to challenge them where you think they are acting scummy, but rather then throw out an FoS (which is a fairly serious, formal accusation in this forum and is currently being abused to great extent) simply point out their scummy play. If you want to post an FoS make sure you've done your research; big posts with lots of quotes and analysis are what we're after. Putting effort into your posts is what makes you town. My analysis on Tracestorm is incoming. this is almost artistically scummy throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is i'll still be lynching originalname though | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 05:53 GMT
#1031
On April 11 2011 14:34 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 14:23 chaoser wrote: On April 11 2011 14:15 tnkted wrote: Sigh.. its late. I'll post my analysis tomorrow, I have like 9 hours of class I need to be ready for. -_- mondays suck. gnite yall! Answer my question pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. How is ON and lanaia playing pro town? Oh. I don't know! I'm not saying that anyone on my list is pro town, just that they're acting like you should in this forum which is to say that they are not spamming, are spending time on their posts, and are therefore worth reading. I'd rather read one players long, well thought out post than I would one player's half a dozen posts responding to absolutely every single little spasm of activity in the thread. Quality > quantity in this forum. lanaia and ON are terrible examples of quality, so are kav's terrible arguments and giant posts of absolutely nothing. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 16:43 GMT
#1077
On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote: So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right? Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play. Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies! This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it? My Thoughts OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 16:50 GMT
#1078
On April 11 2011 12:20 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Yes, after the other scum told you that you had to provide a reason and what to reasons to provide. I am now pretty sure you are scum. thats not a good argument "You're scum because you're scum" is basically what you just said | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:00 GMT
#1082
On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:06 GMT
#1086
On April 12 2011 02:04 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh here's just a tip for people: I advise keeping like a spreadsheet/word document and try to keep track of who you think is scum, who defends/attacks who, basically where people stand in the game. On April 12 2011 01:58 Barundar wrote: Frankly this early scum will have a pretty easy time spreading out, both vote-wise and post-wise. If you want to look for connections, try and look for people who simply ignore each others posts - scum rarely have to read their allies' posts or think about them, because they know the posts are just there to confuse town. On April 12 2011 01:42 darmousseh wrote: I changed my mind about gmarshal, I think DrH's plan is better. ##Unvote ##Vote DrH Does this mean you think GM is scum now? What relevance does DrH's plan have to your opinion about GM? He probably means changing his mind about GM being mayor. Or a notepad! You too can be a noir detective! I also suggest smoking a cigarette and wearing a trenchcoat during post analysis | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:10 GMT
#1090
On April 12 2011 02:07 Robellicose wrote: Realised I've only really been responding, and haven't put my own thoughts on all the candidates out there, so I'm going to clarify my position on the election race. Protact: Your main points are seemingly valid, but if it comes to the late game, and you've completed your win condition then we will not have a town mayor in a position of safety from which to lynch scum. I do not believe that the other assassins would be gunning for our bodyguards however - I believe they would wait for the bodyguards to be taken out by the mafia, and then go in for the kill. Mafia may even try to discover who the other assassins are, completing the assassin game more quickly and stripping town of their mayor position even more quickly. Too much risk for us in these cases, compared to us having a townie in the position. Massive props for the 10-ton steel balls you had to announce yourself that early on though. I would like to know your position in this case: If you become mayor, and determine the last assassin other than you, would you willingly delay using your last KP on this person? As far as I can see, that would put you at risk of not completing your win condition as mafia + assassin could well take you out if they find out the BGs. We would obviously want you to stay in position as long as possible, not only for the assassin abilities but for the votes the mayoral position has. At what point would your position become untenable and you'd have to kill the last assassin and leave the game? Chaoser: I think you're probably green. Not certain though. I would like to know why you decided to switch your vote from GM to Protact after the assassin reveal. Do you believe that having an assassin (I'm pretty certain protact wasn't lying when he claimed assassin) is preferable to having a town player (again, pretty certain GM is town, no clue whether green or blue though) and if so, why? Dr. H: As I've mentioned previously, I no longer have a read on you. Your initial post about assassins was great Show nested quote + we should help assassins simply so that they do not accidentally kill townies. so if you suspect someone may be an assassin, by all means announce it and give your analysis. if that guides the assassins toward killing eachother instead of us, that's great. you could also analayse someone you believe to be mafia as assassin if you are confident you can goad an assassin into hitting them, that would work as well. but you then became quite aggressive, and seemingly changed your mind about an assassin mayor. I'd like to know why at that point you felt you could no longer trust protact? Kavdragon:I personally do not have a read on you at all. A lot of people are saying they read you as red. What do you believe in your posts contradicts this heavily? What is your long term plan for this game if you were to become mayor? GMarshall: I think you're green, so most of my questions are to do with your plans as mayor. Why do you believe lynching inactives is a superior choice as opposed to lynching lurker posters? Is it solely a scare tactic to encourage posting, or is there an additional motive behind this? Who would your ideal pick be for a pardoner - suspected green, a roleclaiming blue, or a practically confirmed black? I'm not talking about this game in particular - would like to hear your choices just based on this information. Finally, sorry if I've forgotten to mention a candidate, but two questions to every candidate - Who are the two people you most want to lynch, and who are the two people you are most sure are green? My mind didn't change on whether or not I trust protactinium, it changed on whether or not he should be mayor. If he is pardoner, this would be absolutely sufficient to fulfill both his needs and our needs while spinning the assassin game to be in our advantage. At first I thought like Jackal, this would guarantee a non-scum mayor and this would basically do away with all the pesky election analysis that wastes time, but the mayor is pretty strong in this game and it's going to be better for town with a green/blue mayor and a black pardoner I think. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:49 GMT
#1105
Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities. I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:53 GMT
#1106
On April 12 2011 02:48 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote: So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right? Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play. Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies! This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote: On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it? My Thoughts OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. If you keep posting like this I'll retract everything I've said about you. Finally, a post with content that gives a good example for the newbies! But you're wrong. You have accused me of being scum several times, sheeping off protract. Several of your other 'gut' accusations have been people who disagreed with you. Responding to protracts absolutely stupid list of scum/people who disagreed with his plan: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: tnkted is assassin probably kavdragon/mib are mafia gmarshal is probably town imo Responding to me immediately afterwards: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment Lets look at your scum list. MiB made one newbie post and you immediately jumped on him and started tunnelling. Jackal has been playing this game precicely the same as he has last time, with short contentless posts talking about how much he hates scum, etc, interspaced with witty play on words and condescending nicknames. He was green last time. Ironically, you started thinking he was scum immediately after arguing with him over... what exactly? Aidnai I haven't analyzed very much, so you may be right about him. You've been tunnelling kav since the beginning of the game with no evidence, purely because he wanted to be mayor. Either give solid reasons, with quotes, for all of those people (including myself) or stop throwing around stupid accusations. Personally I think you've missed all of the real mafia in this thread. I'll be posting my own list later when I'm not in class (ie, like 9 or 10 CST tonight) and not one person on my list is on yours. Disregarding all of that for a moment, I hope you keep posting like this because this is the sort of example we need to give newbies. That list was an old gut list mostly meant to see if i could provoke a reaction out of jackal/aidnai. So it was a failure. If I seriously suspect someone, I'll make a case. Sometimes I like to FoS people just to see how they respond or how others respond. Anyway assassins ! = scum. By scum I mean mafia. If you're an assassin, I don't particularly care. Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 17:53 GMT
#1107
On April 12 2011 02:48 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:36 kitaman27 wrote: On April 12 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote: On April 12 2011 02:25 GMarshal wrote: Oh, and I just realized something, kitaman should be shot by vigis stating night 2 because he is running for pardoner, I just re-read the description and the pardoner is horribly, horribly anti town, it makes the day end on no lynch essentially giving the mafia a free night. I say vigi and not lynch because its too easy a bandwagon to policy lynch someone, it gives us no real information on the lynch. LOL. So you agree with my policy enough to vote for me and now you are calling for a vig shot? You really are a dirty politician I ran specifically for pardoner because it is horribly, horribly anti-town. If I win, I guarantee that mafia cannot reach LYLO a day earlier. If you want to address any of my stances so far, then I'm open to discussion, but to call for a vig shot without providing reasoning is scummy. Furthermore, your buddy Chaoser ran solely for pardoner too. Surely, you want him lynched too if your reasoning is consistent? HAHA medic protection? Either that post was not well thought out or you have an ulterior motive against me. Chaoser retracted his candidacy fairly early, and I've been getting a fairly steady town read off of him, you were also the first person to run for pardoner which suggests to me that you realized its power pretty much off the bat, both chaoser and I thought that what pardoning did was get the second highest vote count player lynched, as opposed to just ending the day. Also you neglect the rest of my post, what do you think about the medic and DT lists? do you have a good reason for kitaman27 being scum other than "he ran for pardoner"? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 18:06 GMT
#1109
is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 18:07 GMT
#1110
On April 12 2011 03:06 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote: As for the outrage at my medic list, I want to hear who you guys would rather have on it, thats half the point of my list. Not outrage at all. Actually I'm a bit flattered. But I got ask also - Why Tackster? He has been absent this entire day 1 so far. He may actually be in danger of being mod killed. I'd have to go back and verify that. Dunno if he's posted since the day post or not. But he certainly hasn't posted anything noteworthy yet. I don't get it GMan. And poor Tack might get a complex if he thinks I'm bagging on him. But I'm not. I just wanna know how you can say he's medic protection worthy when he hasn't even posted yet? And redFF. - I don't get comfy vibes from him man. I don't know what it is but he's not town like I'd want town to be. He's more like somebody else's mouthpiece. I'll give him time to grow on me but right now he makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I agree. I'm getting the vibe that he's gonna be that mafia maverick type, the guy on the scumteam who calls out his buddies and kinda plays lone wolf. I usually like to take that role, I know it well. But he's made a lot of good points so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 18:14 GMT
#1113
On April 12 2011 03:13 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 03:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: gmarshal what about pandain? he faked a DT roleclaim to get the role of pardoner. he announced in his post (on page 35) that he was running for pardoner, not mayor. why vig kitaman27 over him? is it because kitaman27 has been on the money with his logic and scumhunting ability or? Pandian should be vigied too, I assumed that was factored in everyones calculations by now, the only reason why we *might* keep him around is if his blue claim held true, I mentioned I subscribe to LaL, by my account pandian should die too Well at least you're keeping consistency. I'd like to see Protact kill Pandain or Kavdragon on Night 2, but I think we should wait for Day 2 to resolve itself before plans are made for the second night, yeah? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 18:26 GMT
#1119
On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities. I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious? how about we dont have a list | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 18:57 GMT
#1124
On April 12 2011 03:55 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On March 26 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote: 4. You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. tnkted, pandain,DrH Kita. I believe this is assumed to mean you can not vote to lynch yourself. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 19:07 GMT
#1131
On April 12 2011 04:04 AirbladeOrange wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 03:22 chaoser wrote: Hmmm, that's a good point...pardoner is just a prince of darkness...good catch GM. That means red in any type of elected position is powerful. Which means there's DEFINITELY a red run campaign out there. Do reds generally run multiple people for mayor/pardoner, or just throw all their support to one of them? Depends. Usually only one and they want to make sure the race is close so if the mafia mayor/pardoner gets lynched they don't all get caught. Rarely do mafia all just landslide onto a target. Sometimes mafia will drop out though. Pandain in Insane Mafia 1 is a perfect example of a failed mafia campaign for mayor. Also I think I know who all three assassins are. Protactinium, my request is you hold back. If you are elected you have no reason to finish your game so quickly and if you're half as good at analysing as I am you've probably come to the same conclusion. This assassin thing could resolve itself pretty quickly though. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 19:15 GMT
#1133
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 19:42 GMT
#1139
On April 12 2011 04:40 Eiii wrote: So I just caught up on the thread again, and to jump back a few pages-- why am I on everyone's list for assassin, again? I confused 'thee banhammers' for 'three assassins' since three is the number of assassins there seem to always be in a game, as evidenced by prot admitting that there are in fact three assassins. Is that the entire foundation of the case against me or what? I don't want to get insta-shot for this when the game's barely begun. :/ yes and the fact that you're laying so low otherwise. is that all you have to say with all that has happened today? "hey im not the assassin dont shoot me" | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 19:47 GMT
#1142
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 19:53 GMT
#1144
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 20:10 GMT
#1151
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 20:20 GMT
#1158
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 22:39 GMT
#1182
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 22:45 GMT
#1187
On April 12 2011 07:43 aidnai wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 07:41 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 07:39 aidnai wrote: GM, what makes you say tackster was town? Good on you for quitting tackster. On to a healthier, nicer smelling future! Hopefully you'll find someone that can replace me rather than lose a green altogther... He said he was green in his goodbye post. oh well that proves it lol if i were mafia leaving thats exactly what i would say "i was just a worthless townie anyway" or smth like that doesnt mean jack | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 22:46 GMT
#1189
On April 12 2011 07:42 aidnai wrote: yeah, i'm not sticking my neck out for that guy anymore -_- "yeah, I had a plan that involved contributing without contributing but now i see the folly of my ways and I'll now seem like I'm really going to contribute and my plan was good at heart but i just didn't foresee everything but look at me contributing see how long my posts are i must be protown" hes playing a lot like whatshisname in salem mafia where he said "yeah i promise im gonna contribute and scumhunt guys im totally ready to scumhunt" and just never did it and he was mafia | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 22:57 GMT
#1193
On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote: My Thoughts on the Game First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. wowwowowowowowowwwwwww | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 22:59 GMT
#1195
what else does it do "EVERYONE NEEDS TO SCUMHUNT RALLY AROUND MY GREAT IDEALS WHILE I CONTRIBUTE NOTHING" i remember that dudes name. Radfield! Read his posts in Salem Mafia! That's exactly what kav's doing rn | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:07 GMT
#1199
his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:12 GMT
#1207
On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:14 GMT
#1208
On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:16 GMT
#1213
On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:17 GMT
#1215
On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:19 GMT
#1217
On April 12 2011 08:18 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 07:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ^correct what else does it do "EVERYONE NEEDS TO SCUMHUNT RALLY AROUND MY GREAT IDEALS WHILE I CONTRIBUTE NOTHING" i remember that dudes name. Radfield! Read his posts in Salem Mafia! That's exactly what kav's doing rn Meta would really help your read. If you will remember, Salem was the first game i played. I watched it a ton because it was one of, if not aidnai's first games as well. I was interested. Radfield's posting was something that made me think he was town, because I was a noob at the game. After I learned that he was mafia, that became the number one scum tell for me. When I'm scum, I'm extremely careful not to post stuff like that. Call wifom all you want, but this is not how I play scum. I'm careful to avoid obvious scum tells like this. In the event that I am actually lynched, I hope everyone remembers my analysis of Dr.H, and the way that I predicted mafia would act. The next step after alienating new players, destroying the heath of the thread, and getting someone into the mayor seat is to remove the analysts. I believe that Dr.H is a good enough player to read me correctly, even if he is missing some of my meta. It has also been said that we shouldn't lynch veterans day one. I've held this position in, and out of game threads. Protact actually quoted my post a while ago where I was talking about how people expect veterans to play really well, when it's an unfair assessment of thier play. well you're playing exactly like him so that's interesting "i cant be mafia because i learned not to do the exact mafia-like thing i am doing right now so i wouldn't do it wifom wifom wifom wifom wifom" you are my number one suspect and i am lynching you if i am elected. that is all. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:21 GMT
#1221
On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:23 GMT
#1226
On April 12 2011 08:23 kevconsim wrote: hes never played before... He said that... Why would you lynch someone who has a role. We will know if he is mafia after tonight. no we wont | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:25 GMT
#1230
On April 12 2011 08:24 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:20 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? im killing kavdragon im saying the mafia is probably going to hit him for that But now we know that if he doesnt die he could be mafia. -.- WIFOM not even worth considering On April 12 2011 08:20 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:16 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 08:15 kevconsim wrote: On April 12 2011 08:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? bye Why would you kill him. What if he is a medic or a dt? Because he is being a fucking moron and acting anti-town. Useless spam posts pleading ignorance and trying to be "funny" are not helping the town find scum, or really do anything else, in my opinion he is either scum or a bored townie that it trolling, either way he's better dead than alive. another thing i will do as mayor i will never kill/vote for someone i believe to be town/assassin aligned just because they are "bad" I'm not voting for him because he is "bad" Im voting for him because he is anti-town and not even trying to hide it. Find me a single helpful post of his, there are none. He isn't even trying and is distracting the town. But do you believe that he is mafia? I don't so I have bigger fish to fry. Scum like kavdragon or barundar for instance I think I'm 60% certain he is mafia, I don't think any town player in his right mind would play like that. Kav has been posting large contentless posts I grant you that, but I'm not sure he is scum, again I'll be interested to see his flip, but I like lynching the troll better. Also this is the first time I've seen you mention Barundar, whats your case against him if you dont mind explaining? pointless because im killing kavdragon and its just a distraction ill talk about it day 2 | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:48 GMT
#1243
On April 12 2011 08:27 Kavdragon wrote: Kenpachi Kenpachi has ten posts, non of which say anything, all but two are not even related to the game. This looks like scum to me, but Kenpachi looks like scum ususally. I know others have good meta on him, so I'd like to hear from you. He's not putting any effort into looking like town, and he's not acting like a frustrated townie. Based on what I know, he's following his usual town play. Useless. (That's not even being harsh. Take a look at his posts.) ilovejonn Ilovejonn has only five posts, one of which is somewhat informative: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 00:11 ilovejonn wrote: If I appear to be inactive, that's because I am really sick atm. I've read 10+ pages and right now GMarshal and Protactinium are top of my list for mayor. However as there is no voting thread yet for whatever reason :S, I'm going to stay in bed and rest until the thread is up and my voting is required. I also like Protact's posts a lot more than GM. Yes, GM is easy to read, but I agree with Protact that he isn't superbly great at analysis. Protact's each and every post was filled with so much content, meeting quality over quantity in my eyes, and gets to the point without beating around the bush. As a town leader (yes, I know his win-condition is not town) and an analyst, I would much more likely be in favor of Protact. I believe even by having him alive in the early game while he still feels like siding with town, he can create a much ideal environment for the town. At least his posts motivate me to play and post better. Also, sure if you think me being sick is an excuse, but I just wanted to get this out there in the case I really cannot post due to illness. I'm already trying my best to keep up with this thread by at least posting Day 1. This one post is town oriented. Yes, I disagree with his voting protact, but he brings new reasons for it, and they are protown reasons. Not much to make a read off of, but I would say that he looks town. good meta on kenpachi lolololololol i am of the firm opinion that kenpachi is so uniquely bad at mafia that attempting to analyse him is absolutely worthless. I don't even read his posts tbh i skip over them completely he could have been talking about how I am an asshole and like to wear panties and i wouldn't even know only in a desperate lategame situation will i attempt to analyse anything he writes | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:52 GMT
#1244
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 11 2011 23:55 GMT
#1248
On April 12 2011 08:54 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: HEY GMARSHAL I LIKE YOUR EARLIER PLAN OF LYNCHING THE PARDONER ASAP WHAT DO U THINK If it helps town go for it, I dont fear death, as long as its in the benefit of the town. Only scum are afraid to die. I don't fear death, I fear a fruitless death. no im still lynching kavdragon | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 00:10 GMT
#1253
On April 12 2011 08:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: When are the bodyguards revealed to public office? Show nested quote + We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. I forgot about the BGs -_- . The point of this though, would be to lynch the pardoner NOW, right as the mayor is elected, so we wouldn't have to deal with him. Ideally, we would have a pro-town player as the pardoner, who would probably never use the pardoning ability. However, if we vote someone who could be scum in, that's not very good for town at all. Thus, my proposal that we could potentially just kill the pardoner Day 1, by voting in an agreed lynch. Honestly, I can't think of any situation where we'd really want to pardon somebody. It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 00:15 GMT
#1257
On April 12 2011 09:14 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 09:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote: When are the bodyguards revealed to public office? We do NOT want any scum in the leadership positions at all as they will learn the identities of the bodyguards. I forgot about the BGs -_- . The point of this though, would be to lynch the pardoner NOW, right as the mayor is elected, so we wouldn't have to deal with him. Ideally, we would have a pro-town player as the pardoner, who would probably never use the pardoning ability. However, if we vote someone who could be scum in, that's not very good for town at all. Thus, my proposal that we could potentially just kill the pardoner Day 1, by voting in an agreed lynch. Honestly, I can't think of any situation where we'd really want to pardon somebody. It's kind of a truce thing. If mafia starts killing off bodyguards then I know either A) Pardoner is scum or B) One of the bodyguards is scum and makes scumhunting considerably easier for me. Vice-versa for the pardoner as well. I had thought bodyguards could not be scum considering they are "random townies". I also believe they do not know each others identities. Might need some clarification on this though. Oh, there used to be a mechanic where mafia could sub in a bodyguard. That makes life considerably easier for me then. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 00:16 GMT
#1259
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 00:30 GMT
#1267
The mayor is not the only player in this game. Every town aligned player must bring it on themselves to do their own analysis and help guide the discussion toward killing scum. Just because I'm not going to vote how everyone else wants me to vote does not = town relying on just me. If you sheep me and rely only on what I say and do that's a choice YOU make. Don't make that choice. I'm making the choice not to sheep with the majority and do my own scumhunting. Everyone in this game should do the same thing. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:14 GMT
#1279
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#1284
On April 12 2011 10:26 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts I'm just reading through, but it looks like everyone else missed this. Wtf? Why are you in a chat room with meapak and GGQ? I thought only mafia had circles. FOS Meapak GGQ and Rean loloolol yeah wait this needs to be cleared up asap | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#1286
On April 12 2011 10:26 tnkted wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts I'm just reading through, but it looks like everyone else missed this. Wtf? Why are you in a chat room with meapak and GGQ? I thought only mafia had circles. FOS Meapak GGQ and Rean meapak is cohost by the way | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:28 GMT
#1288
On April 12 2011 10:28 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 10:26 tnkted wrote: On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts I'm just reading through, but it looks like everyone else missed this. Wtf? Why are you in a chat room with meapak and GGQ? I thought only mafia had circles. FOS Meapak GGQ and Rean tlmafia IRC? you know our hangout for all of tl mafia? #TLMafia IRC on quakenet. jump in, its where we banter uselessly while we wait for dayposts to come up and such ^_^ o | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:40 GMT
#1296
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 01:42 GMT
#1298
I'm not too set on you as town right now either. Who I lynch will depend heavily on whether or not Protactinium is pardoner. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 02:02 GMT
#1306
On April 12 2011 11:01 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 10:57 kitaman27 wrote: On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote: A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. Never trust a guy who requests a dt check. Yet another thing i don't know about. Why is this. Since somebody else requested a dt check on me i think it is fair to say that i wouldn't mind being dt checked. Correct me if i'm wrong. cuz godfather | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 02:46 GMT
#1313
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 02:47 GMT
#1315
On April 12 2011 11:46 OriginalName wrote: Also notice how while he did chill out it was after KAV the guy who hes going to lynch told him too. Why abide his request then kill him, he just wants him out of the way. ??? Because he made a good point but I still think he's mafia. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 02:52 GMT
#1319
On April 12 2011 11:49 tnkted wrote: Switching from DrH to GM because while GMs ideas are stupid, I'd still rather have him as mayor than DrH. ##unvote DrH ##vote GMarshal Do i rub you the wrong way that badly | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:30 GMT
#1394
On April 12 2011 12:57 Coagulation wrote: LOL MAFIA PROCT LAST MINUTE BANDWAGON ISNT SO LAST MINUTE ANYMORE LOLZ Because he isn't mafia probably. Mafia has no real incentive, I don't think they want to see him as pardoner. His check could be really troublesome. I find it amusing that people think I'm scum simply because I pulled ahead after rationalizing my posting and making good points. So if the later switches from GMarshal to me scummy, aren't late switches from me to GMarshal scummy? Oh it isn't scummy. It's all WIFOM. People change their minds, peoples idea of best candidate will change. Let's focus scumhunting on how we actually catch scum: 1. Posting behavior 2. lynching scum -> hindsight analysis Please and thank you. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:34 GMT
#1398
On April 12 2011 13:26 Lemonwalrus wrote: Mafia cannot be assassins Mafia will not kill each other an assassin mayors best play will be to try and direct lynches towards townies He wants all 8 mafia shooting into the town as long as possible he wants townies (some of which are his enemies) to die as quickly as possible voting a known assassin into mayor will help scum please point out a flaw in this logic if you can find one It doesn't really matter what he wants because we have the upper hand. He has to direct his hits and his check the way we want it, or he gets lynched. That is what he trades in return for protection which gives him a huge leg up in this assassin game. Considering I am already pretty sure of who at least one other assassin is, someone as meticulous as Protactinium should be able to figure it out as well. My wager, if he gets pardoner, is he must use his check ASAP in a manner we agree upon. He has agreed to use his powers to serve the town. I would say who I think the other assassins are, but I don't want protactinium to win too quickly, if he wins that is. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:35 GMT
#1402
I will be lynching Barundar if elected. He is my #2 suspect and he has never shown any ability to be a town power player. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:36 GMT
#1405
On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote: GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:36 GMT
#1406
On April 12 2011 13:34 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:32 jaminz wrote: I realize I've been inactive for pretty much the entire game so far, and I don't really have a great excuse other than that I've been a bit busy lately. However, I'm working my way through the thread right now, and plan to be completely caught up by the end of the night. I've only played one game of Mafia before (Haunted Mafia this past Halloween - put on by Doctor H), so I'm still fairly new to the game, but I'm doing what I can to take everything in. Thanks in advance for everyone being patient with me. Claims he needs to catch up. Voted DrH hours in advance proof im scum | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:38 GMT
#1411
Well as far as I see it, there was a switch off Gmarshal to me (bandwagon gets split) and at the last second it goes back to GMarshal giving him the small push he needs to be mayor. This is exactly how i ran my first scum mayor campaign. This is a WIFOM argument but if you think I'm scum because people switched votes to me, you should think GMarshal is scum for the same reason ; / | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:40 GMT
#1415
On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote: Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy. This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum. However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum) I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact. I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea. Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race. I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:42 GMT
#1417
On April 12 2011 13:40 Kenpachi wrote: THEN LYNCH HIM DrH? why you lynch Barundar. Kavdragon has 1 post that came off as pro-town to me whereas Barundar has 0 and I am also pretty sure is scum. The difference is if I'm wrong about Barundar, it's no huge loss to town. Kavdragon is a potential power player. The problem is not getting him now means he can probably weasel his way out of future lynches (see Pandain in Insane Mafia 1) . So I'm a bit conflicted at the moment. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:44 GMT
#1421
On April 12 2011 13:43 Protactinium wrote: It's very interesting to see how much panic there is at the thought of me getting office. I'm not the serial killer lol, I don't have to kill the town to lose. If I'm in office I actually want to lower mafia KP because I don't want my bodyguards dying because when that happens it's game over. But things are always a little deeper than they appear at the surface. If you think about it, you'll actually find that really there isn't any way I can effectively screw town and win. So the only question is, will I screw over the town just because? No that would be stupid because playing against your win condition is a modkill offense. So basically your only other argument against me is that I might screw up the endgame (chaoser proved that was nonsense). Now, as I have established that I have no reason not to cooperate with the town, the question is, what does the town get from me being in office? Simple. First of all, there is no suspicion against me of being mafia so you won't mislynch me. I won't even bother addressing anyone who insinuates that. Please consult a coach if you really think that and take whatever they say as the word of god. Secondly, you get 2 extra vigi shots and a fully public DT check, which totally breaks the blue balance (I imagine we should use them as a second lynch type vote during the day and I would shoot the highest pick). Town gets those benefits and loses what? The pardoner office dies when I leave the game? Who cares, town doesn't need pardoner. Look closely at what people are saying. The anti-Protact rhetoric is inflammatory, panicky, and illogical. no man coagulation is the paragon of logic and cool | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:45 GMT
#1424
On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote: GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that. Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:46 GMT
#1425
On April 12 2011 13:45 GMarshal wrote: Dr.H the abridged version of my case since it isn't written out. Votes for me becuase I am "flashy" and have pics in my campaign, proposes you as a lynch target which I think is unwaranted, wants you to kill him, which to me seems like the argument a scum would try to pull to look either town or stupid. he throws around some wifom arguments about what it means if you were not elected and got hit by scum. Argues against hitting inactives/lurkers and most of his posts scream filler at me, his post about the mayoral candidates is substanceless yet long. The other bulk of his posts want to lynch m0nster or ON, which was an easy thing to ask for . He just strikes me as scum. Sorry for not actually writing it PbP, no time Yeah I thought his village idiot claim was very strange, seemed like he's trying to play that "Oh I'm too crazy to be mafia!" sort of card. Also I'm not happy about the people tunneling ON/m0nster, meaning mostly redFF although now there is a link with AO. I'll give his posts a look-see. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:47 GMT
#1428
On April 12 2011 13:47 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:38 Kavdragon wrote: Dr.H, GMarshal and Aidnai have all said that I have been acting scummy. This is based off of posts that stated obvious facts in an atempt to make not obvious things obvious to newer players. This IS helpful to the town. I will say it again, it is pro-town. It does NOT mean that I am town because I post it however. Scum can say stuff like that too. It does NOT mean that I am scum though. To this point in the game, those posts are the reason people have called me scum. However, the stances I have taken, against Protact and Dr.H, are both definetly pro-town. Even Dr.H adimited that I had a good point when I told him to cool down with his posting. An Assassin in office has some upsides, but not enough to cover the down sides/risks. (Like a high likelihood of the assassin actually being scum) I have played pro town this game. I'm not referring to my posts for noobs. I'm referring to my stances against Dr.H's aggressive and alienating play, my overall direction and goals for the town, and to some extent my stance against Protact. I'm not 100% sure that GMarshal is town, but right now, it's him, Dr.H or Protact. That still not enough people running to keep Dr.H and Protact out of office. I'm still running for mayor. Laugh at me if you want, but look at my play, think for yourselves, and you'll see that it's not a ridiculous idea. Again you contributed nothing with this post. The only goal of this post is to make yourself look as pro-town as possible when in fact I stated I was considering NOT lynching you, when most people have been supporting you, and I've fallen behind in the mayoral race. I find it funny that you said those kind of posts you immediately realized are the best scumtell and that you'd stop doing them and start contributing, and now you're back with this kind of BS. It's really obvious kav. You're missing the point entirely, and I did contribute with it. I said I'm not happy with two of the three candidates that we have. Since we have to pick two, I'm going to run because I don't want you OR Protact in office. Because you think both of us are mafia. I also know you're not bad enough at this game to get a red read on me, so that just makes me more sure tbh : / | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:50 GMT
#1432
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:52 GMT
#1436
On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:54 GMT
#1439
On April 12 2011 13:52 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:44 Kavdragon wrote: On April 12 2011 13:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:34 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 13:32 chaoser wrote: GM, who are you lynching again if you're elected mayor? Not ON but airbladeorange? I'll let you choose, which one do you think is a better lynch? AO's posts are coming off as super scummy to me, but I have a personal bias towards ON as I liked him when we were a scumteam in factory mafia, and I think he is playing his usual poor town game. I'm purple on airbladeorange. I wish we could PM each other but could you post a full case for him please? He's one of the few players I haven't analysed fully and if your case is good I'd consider lynching him over Bdar. Oh man, I would LOVE to see your "full" analyses of everyone else Dr.H. I know that I may not have been playing the most obviously pro town game per say, but there's no f'ing way that after analyzing everyone, that I am your #1 scum read. I know you're better than that. Yeah you're the most obvious followed by Barundar You're the only 2 I feel really good about after Day 1. On my purple list (leaning toward mafia/assassin) i have coagulation chaoser redFF and metalface I didn't ask for your scum list, or your purple list. You very clearly said that you had "full" analyses on almost every player. I call BS. I want to see it. Not a list of your reads, Analysis. You are talking about lynching a player when you haven't done analysis. No one who lynches without analysis should be mayor. When did I imply I had anything written down. I've looked at most players entire post historys and placed them in a color coded list based on my conclusions. I did this in the early afternoon today. Analysis is when you break information into smaller parts to gain a better understanding of it. That's what I did when I read peoples entire posting histories. You've come back with more scummy posts so I think I'll just end up lynching you anywho. And I've already made my analysis and case on you, so you can't really complain there. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:55 GMT
#1441
On April 12 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well it's pretty obvious at this point protact isn't getting anywhere. I think you should vote for me chaoser. It's too late at this point for a significant shift from Gmarshal -> protact to put me and him in the lead. If you don't trust him your best bet is to cut your losses and ensure he doesn't get mayor. I will do no such thing. Prot is, in my opinion, the best choice and I intend to stick by it. He's making great arguments and people are drowning him out with hyperbola and inflammatory rhetoric. I'm calling the bullshit out. He's explained the situation and it makes logical sense. People come in throwing out hate and a mud slinging campaign against him saying "HE'S BLACK HE'S BLACK BLACKKKKKK" to scare all the newbies into not voting him when his positive far outweigh his negatives (Already said this multiple times) And it's very doubtfully going to happen. Unless 2 switch off gmarshal onto me and all the random voters go to protact. I can respect that you are sticking to your convictions though. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:55 GMT
#1443
On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:56 GMT
#1444
On April 12 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it. lol elected mayor not mafia inb4 people try to read that as a "scum slip" because they are stupid | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:57 GMT
#1446
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:59 GMT
#1450
On April 12 2011 13:58 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:55 Kavdragon wrote: On April 12 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. Well it's because you don't really post anything else and now you only show up out of NOWHERE to defend yourself as soon as your name is brought up again. That doesn't look good for you, just sayin. But kavdragon is the real problem here I dare you to lynch me. You are so sure that I'm mafia, eh? I know you won't. You know why? Because you're mafia. There's no need to lynch me and draw suspicion on yourself when you can just kill me tonight. I promise I will lynch you if I am elected mafia and if I go back I encourage the town to lynch me for it. Unvote: GMarshal Vote: Dr.Helvetica I do this because I know that I don't have the time or the skill to argue with Dr.H. He's really good with words. Don't let him out of this one, town. Lynch him tomorrow. on what case the terrible one you made? lol if you're trying to scare me out of this it isn't going to work. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 04:59 GMT
#1451
On April 12 2011 13:58 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: gmarshal you admit you're bad at scumhunting so can you trust me and just lynch kavdragon or at least barundar Sticking to my guns, AO is scum and I will kill him, I thought you wanted an independent mayor, Dr.H? Can't argue with that. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:00 GMT
#1456
On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Kenpachi dude seriously oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:01 GMT
#1463
On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote: I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game. Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him. voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:03 GMT
#1468
On April 12 2011 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote: I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game. Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him. voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play also this is a classic mafia technique meant to fool town into pussying out of a lynch "well if he was mafia he would just shut up and die right?" nah. if you're mafia you insist to the bitter end that the person who wagoned you is scum and that when you die and flip green/blue town better lynch them. because it sows seeds of doubt. it's a technique that a real townie wouldn't use, they know that just becuase someone got a wrong read it doesn't mean they are scum and very rarely use this kind of chainsaw/OMGUS defense at the last minute | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:04 GMT
#1470
On April 12 2011 14:02 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:01 Kenpachi wrote: On April 12 2011 14:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Kenpachi dude seriously oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh whats best for town is a fit leader. KENPACHI FOR MAYOR.. too late I tried my best Kenpachi. lol am I your secret assassin suspect DrH? <3 i think it's you/protactinium/coagulation | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:04 GMT
#1471
On April 12 2011 14:03 GMarshal wrote: The fuck? Dr.H won, right? At least I kept the assassin out of office and made sure the pardoner wasn't in the hands of scum. I'll consider that a victory. And you're 100% sure I'm not scum why? You speak so assuredly :3 | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:05 GMT
#1476
execute kill whatever lynch him and get the night started. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:06 GMT
#1484
On April 12 2011 14:05 Kavdragon wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:00 Kavdragon wrote: I will say it again, there is absolutely no way that someone of his caliber of player would make a mistake and lynch someone who is a veteran player, a known scum hunter, and an active (but not spammy) voice in this game. Dr.Helvetica is Scum. Lynch him. voice of absolutely zero contribution scum hunting all you've done is defend yourself (badly) and you ignore obvious occurrences like the pandain fiasco and really only seem concerned about your image, not whats happening in the town if you are green i hope you take some time to seriously reevaulate your town play also this is a classic mafia technique meant to fool town into pussying out of a lynch "well if he was mafia he would just shut up and die right?" nah. if you're mafia you insist to the bitter end that the person who wagoned you is scum and that when you die and flip green/blue town better lynch them. because it sows seeds of doubt. it's a technique that a real townie wouldn't use, they know that just becuase someone got a wrong read it doesn't mean they are scum and very rarely use this kind of chainsaw/OMGUS defense at the last minute Yo. You got elected. Are you going to lynch me? Go on. Confirm me as town. You fail at reads if you still think I'm mafia. But you don't think I'm mafia, because I'm not on your team. terrible attempts at psyching me out | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:06 GMT
#1486
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:07 GMT
#1487
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:10 GMT
#1499
But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:11 GMT
#1501
On April 12 2011 14:09 OriginalName wrote: Good fucking job DrH Fucking amazing Thanks | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:15 GMT
#1509
On April 12 2011 14:11 Foolishness wrote: If someone could find me a good picture of a facepalm I would be most grateful. The reward will include cookies. the reason i quit tl mafia is because of the two times me vs youngminii ended up in two townie deaths if that happens again i'll probably ragequit forever. i hate it when shit like this happens but I mean I guess it's the likely outcome. One of the bigger reasons I don't like the mayor position is it gives the mafia someone to blame for what is the most likely outcome anyway - lynching a townie on the first day. All we can do now is reevaluate whatever information we have. Playing the blame game isn't getting us anywhere. If your only reason for thinking I'm scum is I picked a non-mafia out of 40 people to lynch, then maybe you should keep it to yourself. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:16 GMT
#1510
On April 12 2011 14:14 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? Not in tge slightest Extreme Finger of Suspicion: DocterHelvetica have any other reasons other than i picked a wrong lynch on day 1 like happens in 99% of games anyway? might as well get that out of the way before people make the mistake of paying attention to you | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:17 GMT
#1514
On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote: On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me. But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is. Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any. In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:18 GMT
#1516
On April 12 2011 14:17 Coagulation wrote: why the fuck did you lynch Kav Jesus christ i fucking told you it was a shit move. And im not a fucking assassin. try again. yeah my mistake for not listening to someone who posts their ideas in all caps with no reasoning and just tries in general to stir shit up as much as possible all the time hey man at least I know when to get my head in the game and try to post reasonably | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:20 GMT
#1519
On April 12 2011 14:19 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 12 2011 14:01 Kenpachi wrote: On April 12 2011 14:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 13:59 kitaman27 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Kenpachi dude seriously oh wait i forgot you're an assassin so you don't really care whats best for town huh whats best for town is a fit leader. KENPACHI FOR MAYOR.. too late I tried my best Kenpachi. lol am I your secret assassin suspect DrH? <3 i think it's you/protactinium/coagulation Earlier you laughed at the idea of calling for a vig shot for me. Calling me an assassin is essentially the same, if not worse. You mentioned that your secret assassin suspect made a slip. Would you care to reveal that? Can you quote that post directly? I was referring to eiii who after reconsideration I no longer believe is the assassin. No it is very different because a vig hit is a waste of a town KP. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:25 GMT
#1528
On April 12 2011 14:22 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote: On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote: On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me. But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is. Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any. In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking. i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much. Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that. Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time. I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think. Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:26 GMT
#1529
On April 12 2011 14:25 Barundar wrote: Let's day one lynch one of the best analysts in the game on day 1 because he post too much advice! Ooops sry guis, lol! laugh it up cause I'm asking to lynch you next :3 | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:31 GMT
#1535
On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. MEDICS Don't protect protact, that's all. WATCHERS - Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic. TRACKER - Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death. If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:34 GMT
#1537
On April 12 2011 14:34 kevconsim wrote: i have an idea Watch protact so that if someone kills him you can out that they are assasins so there are less random kp's in the game. read the rules again this is an impossiblity | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 05:39 GMT
#1542
On April 12 2011 14:38 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It is night. I will now cease posting because I don't like talking at night. I will post this baseline advice once more. Detectives should read this carefully and heed it well. On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. MEDICS Don't protect protact, that's all. WATCHERS - Go for people you think will be hit. If you are a fucking genius and think you can predict the roleblocker then go for that, but stick with that. Pretend you are a medic. TRACKER - Go for people you think are scum. Your job is NOT TO CONFIRM BLUES. Your job is to track scum targets and see if they are implicated in someones death. If a mafia is tracked, will he automatically show up as "visiting" someone who was killed? Can you elaborate as MUCH as possible on how mafia kills are determined? One mafia will visit each of the targets they kill. Roleblockers will visit who they roleblock. So that means there are a certain amount of mafia who are "idle" at night correct? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 16:04 GMT
#1611
I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that. This is my conflict: Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually. But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles. That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 16:47 GMT
#1616
On April 13 2011 01:15 GMarshal wrote: EBWODP: Also Dr.H I thought it was your policy not to post at night? I felt the need to. This isn't really going to affect who the scum hit, they can't hit me, they can't do anything to me, and it shouldn't really alter their opinions on anyone else. If Bumatlarge is spot on with his analysis, they're wary of him regardless of whether or not I say he's great. I think this will be pretty much non-effectual. I'll never make a lynch case/scum case at night though. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 16:55 GMT
#1619
On April 13 2011 01:13 GMarshal wrote: I'm going to point out that "did the mafia get me elected to kill kav, or because they couldn't stop me is wifom" I agree that bum is making some solid points and actualy hunting scum, which is what we need. I think his focus might be missplaced, but if it gets discussion going I'm willing to weather any and all accussations. Because I know its coming, yes I did contradict myself a lot, I do that often, I doubt myself a lot, its something I'm working on fixing in my play. however you'll notice that when I decide to take a stance I stand firm, like my conviction that AO is scum, I still think he is. However if you guys want to lynch me I'll understand, my play hasn't been stellar and my binge of posting while drunk and angry isn't helping matters. Oh, and chaoser I went for AO because I felt his posts were legitimately scummy as opposed to ON's which felt more like a bored townie to me. However if you feel strongly that ON is scum (and your case against him looks good) then I am willing to go along with it. Well sure it's WIFOM, it's impossible to know what they were thinking. But you can't win mafia without making guesses about what people are thinking or trying to read into it/figure out scum plans. It's something I need to think about, regardless. I don't think it'll hurt to share whats on my mind right now. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 18:24 GMT
#1625
medics should protect experienced/scumhunting players | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 18:51 GMT
#1630
On April 13 2011 03:50 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 23:20 Serejai wrote: Can a mod please help me with the game objective? I thought we were supposed to kill mafia or assassins but the mayor is killing town instead Kenpachis got competition. is there a secret mini game where the goal is to be as useless as possible and whoever is the most useless wins? serejai is killing it | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 20:46 GMT
#1640
On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. The reason I wanted to bring him up was the I was suspicious of him ever since the blind GMarshal vote. As the game goes on GM is looking more and more red. GM is even accusing me without any real analysis and has yet to ask me questions directly, which I am more than happy to address. But I guess my beef with GM will be left for another post later. I am always leery of people who look like scum from the very beginning and fail to ever help their own public image. With all that said I want everyone to be clear who are on my scummy list: M0nsterChef GMarshal OriginalName What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 22:10 GMT
#1647
+ Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 05:42 AirbladeOrange wrote: I have been advocating M0nsterChef as one of my main suspects for being red even before all the shitstorm about the mayor campaign. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:03 M0nsterChef wrote: I'm also in favour of a strong analyst over a strong leader, simply because it should help achieve the final goal of hunting mafia. Keeping the town focused, and applying pressure to scum can all be done by careful and well thought out analysis. This is in response to being called out for blindly voting for GMarshal. He provides us with this extensive post of bold reasoning. A strong analysis over a strong leader? What does that even mean? Dr. H and GMarshal both appeared to be good analyzers as well as leaders. The rest of the post is just pointless blabble about the goal of the game and keeping the town united. Obvious fluffy stuff. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? And here is his second reply when GMarshal wanted a better explanation of his vote. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 08:20 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 11 2011 07:35 Mr. Wiggles wrote: On April 11 2011 07:32 M0nsterChef wrote: I read the thread and made a vote based on who I think I deserves the role the most. Am I not allowed to vote? No, but it looks highly suspicious that you don't post any thoughts/opinions (or anything at all really) since the game has started, and then come in and vote. What are your thoughts on the current situation? Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? Why don't you like the other candidates? Alright, so I made a really noob mistake of not posting a bunch before I make a vote. It's my first game here, and while I know that shouldn't be an excuse, it's the only one I can come up with. Anyways, as for questions What are your thoughts on the current situation? Just reading the past pages of posts has made me realize I need to be more careful with what I post, and I should post more often. Why do you like GMarshal the best for mayor? -Seems to be more analyst oriented -Is willing to consider the lynch of kavdragon -Seems to be "Pro-town" -Protactium seems to care too much about the assassin game. -Pandain is trying to get Protactium to be mayor by making people support him through his dt reveal, I don't think this is smart. Why don't you like the other candidates? -Now that I voted for GMarshal , AirbladeOrange, RedFF say I should be lynched. -Protactium has said he is not town. Here is an apology and admitting to making a mistake. I think he is being real when he says he knows he made a mistake but again, the rest of his post is just throwing out relatively useless questions which many people have already been addressing. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 12:14 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 11 2011 11:31 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I feel terrible abotu gmarshal right now. I think mayor should be me but everyone hates me so I guess kitaman27 is a rational choice. Just to re iterate. I AM RUNNING FOR MAYOR. My platform: -ignore assassin bullshit for the most part -I'd consider protact for pardoner because a. he will use his powers to help the town in exchange for the bodyguard protection so he can win his game b. pardoner isn't a strong role for the town -keep town focused on hunting scum -ignore everything pandain and kenpachi say so if those seem like things you like, you should vote for me. My top 3 lynch candidates are: 1. originalname 2. mig 3. kavdragon That makes 2 of us. I have been pushing for a day one lynch of originalname for a while, I think you should consider m0nsterChef too. I will do everything I can do to try and convince people to not vote gmarshal as the amount of reasonless votes for him is still unfathomable. Yeah i'm stalling on who i vote for because i want to see more solid numbers. That being said: ##Unvote Protact ## Vote DrH As i feel we need a rational town mayor as opposed to an assassin mayor, though i still want Protact as pardoner. 2 extra kills for town and a check guys come on. This is the third time you have insisted on lynching me, yet provide no other reason other than that I voted for Gmarshal without explaining why. If you read a couple pages back you'll see why I voted for him in one of my posts. Here is the next useless post. He claims he explained why he voted for GMarshal, which I guess he did. I'm just not sure you can even call it an explanation. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:05 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. And by catching scum do you mean making multiple posts asking about lynching me and ON? I don't know if this really points to anything but it should be noted that he is quite defensive. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:51 M0nsterChef wrote: Why do people think I'm still scum? Is there anything other than my poor decision at the beginning at the game that suggests that I am? I think a lot of unnecessary pressure has been put on me because of that stupid beginner mistake. I take this as playing the noob card to the extreme. "Come on guys, stop picking on me." The rest of his posts were even more pointless than the ones I quotes. One of them being saying "dang" after Kav was found out to be green. Another was just a comment about the spamming in the tread. He only has 10 posts thus far in the game and has contributed even less than me. At least I'm trying and open to answering questions. All of his responses were the opposite of compelling. M0nsterChef's scumminess has been summed up quite effectively already I think, and DocH has added a finishing touch which I didn't realise: [QUOTE]On April 13 2011 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What should be noted is that m0nsterchef really only showed up to defend himself. Otherwise he contributed nothing but it's obvious he was lurking the thread, posting when his name was brought up as a lynching possibility. That's a major scumtell imo. redFF voting for different candidates is not a reliable sign that you're not scum - in fact I imagine it would be better for mafia if they could avoid voting as a block as much as possible (unless they had a key vote they wanted to swing). However, things that have concerned me regarding your alignment: [QUOTE]On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips.[/QUOTE] I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. a reasonably large amount of posts by you are also one liners, and you've been feeding the trolls quite a lot, although that has calmed down the the past 15 pages or so. Finally, there is this analysis from Kavdragon, our late lamented townie: + Show Spoiler + On April 12 2011 10:49 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 10:09 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. This is a sentiment that RedFF takes very quickly. He trusts that Protact is town right from the get go. That is NOT a townie reaction, nor is a noob reaction. A new player who is townie would be quick to question things like this, and while he may eventually come to the same conclusion, there's no way that a townie would reach certainty this quickly. His certainty betrays hidden knowledge, knowledge that only scum would have. On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica Up to this point (and beyond for a while) he has displayed the same characteristics that he is condemning Dr.H for. Your own FoS back onto you. You are trying to look like you are contributing, and it's not working. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 04:56 redFF wrote: I compiled a little list on inactives/lurkers Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up He complies a list of inactives, but it's early in the day. No one needs to see the inactives that early. Another of many ploys to look like he's contributing. A few posts later he complains about everyone ignoring this out of place list, and posts it again. It's funny, because this fits Ver's profiling for a new scum player almost exactly. Right down to the out of place list. (See: Ver's analysis of XXX) On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. So if [redFF] flip scum we have a pretty good innocent list. It's an odd thing to say when you've FoS'd him not too long ago. Why would you guess that mafia would shoot someone who is scum? On April 11 2011 05:38 redFF wrote: btw this is fun as fuck and i will be playing tl mafia for quite a while ^^ I actually consider this a scum slip. Mafia have the funnest time day one. Townies are usually interested, but not really having fun till they start getting near the lynch deadline. But perhaps that's just me. + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote: On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? The list returns! Still out of place. Also, lol at his guess that the mafia are all found in that. He quotes this again to bring attention to the list yet again, and to FoS M0nster. He still hasn't given any opinions. He's tunneling this inactive list, and bringing it up over and over without even bothering to update it. This reaks of scum. He later slightly modifies his plan to tunnel those mostly inactive people that voted for Gmarshal. On April 11 2011 10:27 Coagulation wrote: On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. On April 11 2011 08:42 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 07:49 kevconsim wrote: I think i have decided that the safe bet is too put gmarshal in their. ##Vote Gmarshal for mayor Oh yeah that just happened throwing it out there right now I THINK GMARSHALL IS SCUM, as well as a number of his voters including M0nsterChef, Kevconsim and Original name, although everyone in my first gmarshall vote count post is officially fos by me WAT? Then we have this contradiction pointed out by Coag. Refer to my guide if you don't get why this is scummy. On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. On April 12 2011 07:58 redFF wrote: On April 12 2011 07:51 Kavdragon wrote: My Thoughts on the Game First and foremost, the spam needs to come down. We need to be able to read through this thread to scum hunt, and the amount of spam is making it really hard to read. Obviously a good idea, right? So why is everyone still spamming? A few people on the top of my spam list are RedFF (For posting a lot of lists pointing at people, and asking tons of questions of people, but not actually contributing as much) Gmarshal (For posting more than is healthy. I know that you have a lot of things to say, but when you have that much to say you need to learn how to condense it. You don't have to reply to every single person when almost everyone is talking to you.) Dr.H (Not bad like RedFF, but in the similar vein as GMarshal, I think that you can condense what you are saying. If there are three people who say something scummy, wait a bit, then put your responses into the same post or something.) I don't think anyone is used to having 50 pages to analyse by day one. I'm certainly not. I've often been told that it's useless to analyse on day one, and I've disagreed with it before. As daunting a task as it is, I agree with Dr.H that there's plenty of material to get started on. Sure it won't be as reliable as the material that we will have by day 3/4, but there's no better time to start analyzing than NOW. If you wait, it won't happen, so I'm going to ask EVERYONE, even those who are bad at it, to try thier hand. By this time, the only people who don't have scum reads are scum. Take someone who you think is scummy, and analyse them. Right now my main concern will be inactive/lurker types, because they are the higher priority for lynching. I get your point about spamming, i will try to tone it down. Sorry if I'm spamming a lot, just trying to learn/catch scum. That said, this post doesn't really have any content. Agrees with my sentiment that there should be less spam, and then proceeds to post more frequently than he has all game. Wtf mate? RedFF has been tunneling, spamming, and not contributed to the thread yet. He has posted that he thinks that Protact and dr.H are good candidates, but simply mirrors others arguments when he gives his reasons. He has yet to really come up with any good reasoning that is his own. He fits a clear pattern for new scum. RedFF is RedFF Ok then. Now bearing in mind this is my first mafia game. I submit to you that i have been playing town badly. So i will try to explain each quote and why i did what i did. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:46 redFF wrote: Protactinium is the only person that has impressed me so far and the only person i can tell is not scum, that said, votes are subject to change. I said this because i thought that no mafia in their right mind would claim assassin. At the time he was the only person who i thought i could read as telling the truth. I also said votes are subject to change. And mine has. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica I was put off by his aggressive posting, and honestly had no real idea what i was doing at that time anyway. Yeah it was a mistake and i went and read through some old games of his and saw that he plays like that. In my mind i knew quite soon after i posted that that i was wrong, and am now in support of DrH's campaign for mayor. On to my list of inactives. I originally made it because gmarshall said he wanted to lynch an inactive/lurker. I posted it a bunch of times because i thought that keeping an inactive list updated on the thread would be a good idea to help more experienced players analyse. After people telling me it was bad and realising myself it was not useful i decided to stop posting it. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:11 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im not pro-protact at all, that's just my read on you right now i mean it's day 1 so these reads are shitty but i think the scum team is: kavdragon mib aidnai jackal58 and some other people idk, thats just a baseline guess i'm really only feeling good about kav and mib at the moment So if DrH gets hit night one we have a pretty good mafia list. I kinda posted this without thinking, as i have done a lot in my first ever day of mafia. Maybe i thought it would help. I guess i wanted people to just take note in case he did get hit. Kinda dumb thing to say i realise now since it was so early and so many things were and are subject to change. Me saying i'm enjoying myself is a scumtell. I honestly can't really respond to that except that now you think I am scum a lot of my posts are probably scumtells. In regards to posting that list again. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:40 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 06:38 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 06:35 kitaman27 wrote: On April 11 2011 06:34 M0nsterChef wrote: ##Vote: Gmarshal This guy is voting without posting. List of inactives Metalface-no posts since sign up Ream- no posts since game started Lattrommi-is he even playing??? was signed up by someone else and hasn't posted TranceStorm- lurking hardcore lemonwalrus- hasnt posted since day 1 began milkyst- no posts since sign up The_Roist- just posted above me for the first time XD Jaminz- no post since sign up DarthThienAn- no posts since day 1 M0nsterChef- hasn't posted since day 1, has 14 posts so could just not play. Serejai- no posts since sign up Thin we have found a newbie mafia? M0nsterChef - No posts since day 1, proceeds to vote without posting, never played mafia on tl before. I actually posted this 2 posts after in clarification that the only mafia member i thought was on that list was m0nsterhunter. You seem to have ignored that posts. So lol at thinking that anyone would think everyone on that list is scum. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 10:22 redFF wrote: On April 11 2011 10:15 kevconsim wrote: i dont think there is a scum bandwagon for GM. I think people trust him more. I think other people who havent played before are seeing others endorse him and jumping on. Well i didn't say it was a scum bandwagon,you said that, just a bandwagon. and that is what i mean, there are sheep right now. This was dumb. I posted this soon after as my explanation, also ignored by you. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 10:30 redFF wrote: Yeah i was just referring to the post directly above the one i quoted but yeah that was dumb, i realised it soon after posting, hoped nobody would notice T-T Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I understand that getting anything 100% definitive out of a lynch is wrong. This was a bad post. I was really tunneling ON at the time pushing for a lynch because he was and is my number one scum read. I still maintain that if ON flips red that implicates M0nsterChef and Gmarshall in my eyes. Because m0nsterchef has argued against me with ON, but they haven't really communicated with each other. And because they both voted for GM with little to no reasoning. About the spamming, I am trying but when i hear something i disagree with i've been trying to get down what I think far too quickly. I took some time with this post to be fair. Please anybody tell me where i'm going wrong and why they think i am scum. A dt check asked for by DrH on me would be a good idea so I don't have to explain my noobie town behaviour and can analise instead. would you mind reformatting this post? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 22:44 GMT
#1655
On April 13 2011 07:35 TranceStorm wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity. Lol yes, that is one way to put it, but the information we could get from lynching ON is extremely limited. If he were to show up red, the people that he might implicate would be Mig and possibly GMarshal as well due to their association with him, but those links are still relatively weak. You'd need more evidence then 'association with a mafia' to justify a lynch in the later days. If ON turns up green, we get just about zero information since a ton of people have already suspected him of being mafia. Correct. He's an almost entirely inactive player, if he flips green there isn't really anything to examine. This "Lynch for information" is a terrible terrible idea. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 23:31 GMT
#1662
On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote: On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote: Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out. I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that. This is my conflict: Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually. But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles. That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... I'll respond to you when you have actual analysis. I'm not going to respond to your attempts to provoke me, that's not going to help anybody. This could just as well become the bumatlarge vs DrH show but that's just going to clutter the thread and I have no intention of doing that. You're free to analyse me and call me scum all you want of course, but I remember how badly I've fucked up the town before doing arguments like this (me vs youngminii in salem, me vs youngminii in some mini mafia game, me vs pandain in insane mafia i) and I hope to avoid that. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 12 2011 23:57 GMT
#1670
On April 13 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote: On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote: On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote: Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out. I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that. This is my conflict: Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually. But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles. That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here. If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier. If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him. Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck. Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard" Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it. Yes it is. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 02:21 GMT
#1687
On April 13 2011 09:17 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 09:14 Serejai wrote: Hey guys, I'm sorry for my lack of game knowledge. The mods sat down and explained some of the rules and gameplay to me so I think I have an idea of what's going on now. Here is my analysis of all players. I think I have everyone figured out now. The mafia is easy... cause only mafia can change their votes so we know who they are already. I don't know why the thread says there are only six... cause it looks like there's at least 10 or so. Next I did the assassins cause they're pretty easy, too. Jackal seems very hostile so I think he's an assassin. Protactinium said he was assassin. I don't know who the last assassin is but it's probably one of the red people because maybe assassins can change votes, too. Blues were tricky... most are just guesses. Pandain said he's DT but I think he's lying about that. I still think he's a blue something though. bumatlarge and coagulation seem very good at this game so I think the mods probably picked them to be blue since they have experience. I also think Barundar is blue and the mayor probably thinks so too which is why he's trying to kill him. 1. Jackal58 2. Rean 3. Coagulation 4. GMarshal 5. Pandain 6. GGQ 7. OriginalName 8. Kenpachi 9. ilovejonn 10.Mr. Wiggles 11.chaoser 12.Latrommi 13.kevconsim 14.Protactinium 15.TranceStorm 16.tnkted 17.Eiii 18.urashimakt 19.Lemonwalrus 20.Milkyst 21.DropBear 22.The_Roist 23.kitaman27 24.bumatlarge 25.jaminz 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 28.darmousseh 29.AirbladeOrange 30.MetalFace 31.Barundar 32.Kavdragon - Day 1 Lynch 33.redFF 34.M0nsterChef 35.Serejai 36.Robellicose 37.Mig 38.aidnai 39.Conversion 40.CubEdIn This guy is amazing, you should be more specific though as Im sure you'd be able to peg our exact roles. I'm the veteran role of course, and coagulation is a vig. Is that a serious veteran claim? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 02:24 GMT
#1689
On April 13 2011 08:59 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 08:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 13 2011 08:50 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 08:39 bumatlarge wrote: On April 13 2011 08:22 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 08:03 bumatlarge wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. How about we lynch for information and lynch scum? That's a good option. I was going to respond to GMarshal's defense, but he hardly refers to my main point that his posts on content-less scum posts. On April 12 2011 22:00 GMarshal wrote: On April 12 2011 18:12 bumatlarge wrote: On April 12 2011 18:05 chaoser wrote: Pardoner can't pardon themselves bum. You enjoy the same bodyguard-protection the mayor has. You are not immune to lynch, and if you are the lynch target, you may not pardon yourself. Oh sweet, looks like GM is dead. Cool, then I can give some blue advice since what I've seen so far has been woefully inadequate. Medics: Who you think will be hit. No further discussion. Tracker: DR. H! Since vigs and assasins can't hit tonight, this is an obvious choice. Even if you disagree with Kav and I, you can't really argue that this won't produce results. Watcher: This role is so strong, especially night 1. Act like a medic, sting like a DT. DT: Obv scummy people, ignore that there is a GF imo. Just keep it to yourself if you visit town. Just be smart. Bum will help you the rest of the way. Also remember you accused me of posting generic advice? I at least got it first. Also Dr.H cannot be tracked as he is immune to *all* night actions, that includes tracking. Instead of this generic advice I'd like to see a list of who exactly you think needs protection and who needs dt checks, as well as who needs to be tracked or watched, I'm curious to see where if anywhere our lists overlap Well it's fairly obvious that I am town who knows how to play, so my blue advice is good. I missed the mayor pardoner immunity which makes me sad. I was mainly pointing trackers at Dr.H anyway, but since that is ruled out, everyone can disregard the blue advice. On April 13 2011 01:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Bumatlarge makes good points against Gmarshal and rereading Barundar's posts, his meta read on me is pretty valid. Although I disagree, he has no way of knowing what I'm thinking or reading my mind so I would probably think the same thing if I were him. There are a few of his posts that I thought were scummy and I'll point them out. I'll be reading through all of GMarshal's shit soon. The fact is, by the time GMarshal's campaign was going strong, I really just scanned his posts because I was too tunneled onto Kavdragon and GMarshal was much more placid. Everyone seemed to find him agreeable so there was never a huge red flag get off, although I started getting vibes later on that he was trying too hard and he was actually contradicting himself a lot. But I wanted my read on Kavdragon to be true so bad I overlooked that and that is really shitty town play. I actually should apologize for that. This is my conflict: Did the mafia put me in office because they thought it was worth it to kill Kavdragon? In a normal situation, mafia wouldn't want me in mayor, but (they would know for sure Kavdragon is innocent) if they can get a guaranteed lynch off on a town-aligned power player (they do take the chance he's an assassin tho) and then flip that around to get me lynched that's a big first two days for scum. Seems like a good plan actually. But are they willing to put me in as mayor? If GMarshal is scum, and his platform as mayor was really to do the thing that pissed off the least amount of people, he still gets the pardoner protection from night actions which allows the scum to pick a second person as godfather. That's a pretty big advantage against investigative roles. That's sort of my vision of whats happened right now. I have reading to do and I need to cool my jets this time. Bumatlarge you're making a lot of good points, I know you think I'm scum and you want me lynched, but I guess I'm inspired now to do better analysis? I'm glad you're in this game anyway, if I get mislynched for the poor decision I made and my bad attitude in the beginning of this game then I think you'll lead town in the right direction. Icing on the cake. I make good points. Naturally, because you know I am right. You were tunneling Kav and ignoring GMarshal. Also very apparent, that seemed like it was part of the plan. I accept your apology but if you have 1) Shitty town play and 2) great scum play all rolled up into one, you have yourself a great lynch. The next two paragraphs aren't making me sympathetic. Your drawing modern art on a chalkboard while I'm playing connect the dots. And thank you again for the compliments, I'll make sure to give you more. I'm actually not one for bashing aggressive play, but yours was pointlessly aggressive. I recall a response to Kav where you said that you were going to drop the charade of constant aggression. I had to pause for a moment and see if that was a legitimate excuse. I think you would have to be attempting to pressure people to get an alignment read. Except you ignored GM at that time, the number 1 offender. I'll try to get a Dr.H analysis up. In the mean time, read every post Kav has made when the the lynch on him was going to be apparent. It has great stuff on Dr. H in there. Kav's lynch was not a mistake, it was a desperate move. And if GM doesn't flip scum, you have nothing to worry about right DH? Right?.... Ok, I post large posts that are not always content-full, but I *am* trying to contribute and help. I provided a blue list during the day to foster discussion, it was ignored, I pressured kita to see how he would responds, people got pissed at me for it, I tried to keep the assassin out of office, that was apparently anti-town (although I stand by it btw). It seems like theres nothing I can do that won't have you people yelling scum. Also, guess who else posted large posts that were even emptier than mine? Kavdragon. Sensuously lynching me is stupid, we are already down one active townie, are we just going to lynch them all until we reach the endgame with Serejai, M0nsterchef and Mig? Because thats going to be a very dull endgame, where lynching is going to be a guess. Still if your buddy is Dr.H this a great plan, link us through really tentative evidence and when I flip green be like "oops, I guess he wasn't scum, guess that means Dr.H is town". Proceed to lead the town with some more great "analysis" and get the rest of the vocal players killed. Proceed to lead the remaining players in circles. You know what, I want a DT check on this guy. I thoughts his motives were pure because he was trying, but now I think there could be something more sinister here. If you really think Kav's posts were empty compared to yours, you need to read them again. I read Kav's posts and yours in my first read through, and the difference was apparent. Kav wasn't posting for his benefit. He was genuinely unconcerned of convincing people of his alignment, it would be nice, but he was focused on town cohesion, and he got it. Your agenda was yourself. Proving yourself and the newer townies, and it worked to an extent. It was a shame I was not here earlier. If you think Dr. H is my scumbuddy, anaylize myself and analyze Dr. H. You're so desperate that you just want to throw things around hoping it doesn't hit you in the back of the head. I don't need a DT check on you, I know you are scum. Dr. H has given HEAPS on posts that link you to him, and the only thing you have is my threat to him. Ok, I'm not starting a shitstorm over this, I've done nothing but try to be protown all game long, foster discussion and make people talk, what I'm getting here are baseless accusations of "not posting enough content" and "trying too hard to get elected". Congrats, you caught up to my meta, I post mountains and mountains of posts, some of them end up not having very much content, I assure you its not intentional, but I post whatever I'm thinking, if its stupid or wifom then I'm fine with people calling out on it, but it isn't anti-town, and if you think its a cause for a lynch well then, see if you can get the town to agree to it. Mind you these are the same people who put eight votes on an assassin for mayor, so I wouldn't be surprised if they went for my neck. Anyway, I'll answer any new accusations, I covered your points thus far and apparently me answering your accusations would also be " contentless posting" or "trying to hard" Do answer me one question though, why, when I was in the lead to win the elections did I post a blue list and pressure Kita? it actually made voters switch off me, and I took all kinds of hell for it. Yes it is. Why? It ensures everyone has a clear view on my stances... and despite the accusations of "contentless" posts I think most of my posts contain something worth seeing. No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 02:24 GMT
#1690
On April 13 2011 11:23 bumatlarge wrote: Whatever makes things difficult for you. That's not a very pro-town attitude. I'm asking if you're claiming veteran or joking. Answer the question. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 02:31 GMT
#1692
that's very helpful | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 02:36 GMT
#1695
On April 13 2011 11:33 bumatlarge wrote: No im not actually a veteran. If you really push GM doctor there is a good chance you wont get lynched the next day. Just saying. I don't like time delay on your response but fair enough. Like I said, I'm going to go through what he said myself. Expect my thoughts pretty soon after Day 2 begins. I unfortunately have 3 essays to write tonight and am procrastinating like a motherfucker T_T | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 05:43 GMT
#1745
On April 13 2011 14:40 Barundar wrote: I was roleblocked last night. Reading up on thread. God I hoped pandain was just green . why would you do that | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 05:49 GMT
#1748
On April 13 2011 14:47 aidnai wrote: Show nested quote + Your experiments with various controlled substances have produced the hottest new drug that's about to hit the black market: tdotium. This drug is so powerful of a psychoactive, it actually causes people to believe they've been transported to a magical land called Rainbow Rumpus Partytown, where the mushrooms are made of cake and you can ride ponies all night long. You've decided to put this drug to work to help the rest of your organization gain control of TLHQ. You may visit one person per night and slip a dose of your drug into their food. They will be far too drugged-out to do anything that night, so they will not perform their normal night-action. They will be informed that they were drugged-out as shit the next morning (sadly, your drug does not impair their memory). Being drugged-out does not prevent a Veteran from being a stone-cold badass, so he still takes 2 hits to kill. I assumed that you would be informed whether green/blue/black. I don't think barundar is claiming anything. Oh I see. Well that's fair then. I don't want to see any blue claims : / | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 05:55 GMT
#1751
bumatlarge chaoser kitaman27 jackal58 aidnai redFF all potential power players or people who had very strong opinions/cases on day 1 that avoided death during the night. hopefully DT's got a hit last night and there will be a strong push for a good lynch today based off that. I would think any of these people would make great investigation targets. Surprised at the choice of darmousseh, otherwise I'm not that shocked at the hit choice. If I'm mafia I'm thinking I want to take out big town talkers though. Don't wanna WIFOM about it too much, but anyone who was a "big town target" that didn't get hit (there were no missed hits) is worth an analysis and a dt check. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 06:34 GMT
#1753
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact. Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me: Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins. You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people. I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim? Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 06:41 GMT
#1758
But if he is assassin, he has nothing to lose. THe other assassin's wont take a chance. They WILL hit him Night 2. IF he believes coagulation is teh other assassin, this is his only opportunity to win his game if im not mistaken | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 06:41 GMT
#1759
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 07:13 GMT
#1771
On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play" however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact. Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me: Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins. You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people. I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim? Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game. Works for me. Everyone should be voting for Coagulation. No getting around this one. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 07:27 GMT
#1783
On April 13 2011 16:22 Lemonwalrus wrote: Protact...who is 'we'? the town, the people playing this game, looking too had for a slip that isn't there imo | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 07:54 GMT
#1803
On April 13 2011 16:48 Coagulation wrote: Why the fuck would a experienced player like FW ever claim to be an assassin when hes a DT. Do you really think he would put that kind of heat on himself if he was honestly a PRO TOWN ROLE. This whole thing reeks of desperate scum he has nothing to gain from this as scum it doesn't reek of anything besides you getting lynched | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 07:56 GMT
#1805
On April 13 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote: What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum. As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing. Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote. No, go with the DT check. This is absurdly bad mafia play for someone like protactinium. What does he have to gain from this as scum? delaying his death? How? If he's scum - Assassins will still kill him tonight he's trading himself for coagulation which is a worthless trade and doesn't benefit mafia HOW DOES MAFIA SEEK TO BENEFIT FROM FAKING A DT CHECK ON COAGULATION. If mafia are gonna pull a power play like this it is becuase they are looking to reap a HUGE BENEFIT you don't bus yourself to kill coagulation of all people, jesus christ | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:00 GMT
#1810
On April 13 2011 16:56 Coagulation wrote: I ment scum as in assassin. DOCH please use your head man. are you really surprised hes pulling this? he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:02 GMT
#1813
-There are two assassins -The two assassins are Coagulation and Protactinium Both of these things must be true or Protactinium is fucked. Let's look at other scenarios and how they'd play out: -There are three assassins -The three assassins are protactinium/coagulation/kitaman27 -Coagulation is lynched -Night 2 Protactinium hits Kitaman27, Kitaman27 hits Protactinium -Nobody wins -There are four assassins -The four assassins are protactinium/coagulation/kitaman27/chaoser -Coagulation is lynched -Night 2 Protactinium hits Kitaman27, kitaman27 hits protactinium, chaoser hits protactinium -Chaoser wins etc. So it's either a Flamewheel win with 2 assassins (if coag is the other assassin) or no one wins, or someone else wins, or there are more than four which seems unlikely. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:03 GMT
#1814
On April 13 2011 17:00 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 16:56 chaoser wrote: So all of you are saying this is all a ploy for mafia to buy ONE EXTRA NIGHT. Basically you're saying this comes down to mafia sacrificing a mafia member, FLAMEWHEEL BTW, early in the game to lynch a townie, have him flip town, and then have us lynch flamewheel (who would have been lying and now obviously mafia) all so we waste a lynch? Come on now...That's some bullshit logic and you know. If Flamewheel was actually mafia there'd be no reason to pull this shit since he could have just posted normally and raped us two ways to friday. I doubt lynching Protactinium is even going to be required. Barring medic intervention, he's probably going to get hit by black tonight whether he's red, green, or black. Probably. If you are an assassin in this game and DON'T use one of your hits on protactinium, then that's pretty fucking dumb I must say. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:04 GMT
#1816
On April 13 2011 17:03 Mig wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. That plan is all based on him trying to wipe the assassins out in 1 night. But what if instead hes just going to try and get medic protection from us by role claiming dt and hitting a scum? That way he can hope we either lynch or the mafia hits the other assassins while he has protection. And if hes assassin he can use his actual dt check to continue the lie the next night. what if monkeys fly out of my butt If he hits a scum and then gets another with his real dt check then what is the problem lol, that's great for us. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:05 GMT
#1817
He'll continue his "charade" with his assassin check and hey guess what, it totally helps the town. I don't see why you'd be against that... | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:09 GMT
#1823
On April 13 2011 17:06 Barundar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 16:51 Protactinium wrote: On April 13 2011 15:57 Barundar wrote: Oh dramaz! First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim. It seems all too convenient to me that he would A) Fake claim assassin over DT B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office. C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2. I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response. Like I said, claiming DT doesn't work. But I find it interesting how you say that it's "convenient" that I found Mafia in the first go when I didn't get elected to office. I am easily the best player in this game. Yet you seem to think that the Mafia are hiding well. I'm sure you didn't want to let that slip, did you? As to your third part, I roleclaimed while building a case, which is something you've either blatantly ignored or didn't notice. Obviously, you didn't read any of my case on Coagulation, did you? Didn't think so. We have Coag's response now. He's blowing up and getting desperate, so you can honestly just give up. Your defense of him is laughably transparent. Coagulation is nowhere near being pro-town. Why do you think that? Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green. But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. Actually his main point was that he checked coagulation and got "mafia" | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:16 GMT
#1828
The only way Protactinium can get a win off this play is if he and Coagulation are the two assassins. This assumes that: -Coagulation is an assassin -There are only two assassins in the game. I find the second prospect highly unlikely. In the event of 3 assassins, Protactinium is almost guaranteed loss. I seriously doubt this is a bid for medic protection and honestly I don't care because: a)In order to get the medic protection he'd have to be correct about Chaoser. This is a huge gamble. b)This will still give him a real check on night 2 to use again in our favor, particularly if he strikes red with it. This benefits town. However this play could also make sense under a third condition: Protactinium and Coagulation are both red. An early bus like this puts Protactinium in a position where he is trusted and he could simply spend the rest of the game saying he never got another red check while busting out misleading analysis. I find this very unlikely. Detective is imo the trickiest and worst claim for a mafia to make and he really had no reason to be desperate. If he wanted to avoid getting hit by assassins he could have just made a safe claim that's easy to fake like Veteran or Vigilante. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:17 GMT
#1830
On April 13 2011 17:14 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 13 2011 16:56 Coagulation wrote: I ment scum as in assassin. DOCH please use your head man. are you really surprised hes pulling this? he has nothing to gain from this as assassin i thought about it. if you are assassin and we lynch you and he hits kitaman27 (or whoever he thinks is the next assassin) he's pretty much guaranteed to be killed that same night. if there are 3 assassins this would result in a TIE the only way this makes sense is if there are two assassins. if protact was assassin he would know that and lynching you is a way to get you killed without letting you take him down as well. That way he can win his game and he is transported out immediately. Hes gambling im RED so he can get MED PROTECT HE DIDNT DT CHECK ME I FUCKING KNOW THIS LET THE ASSASSIN DIE NIGHT 2 I would love to be DT checked night 2 and have this cleared up without the town losing a town role in the process. Give me till night 2 to prove i am town. I CAN PROVE IT. There are easier ways to get the medic protection if he's that desperate for protection. This move doesn't sit right with me. You can prove it? There are no confirmation roles in this game buddy. The closest thing is vig. OH WAIT MAFIA CAN FAKE THAT PERFECTLY HUH | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:18 GMT
#1831
On April 13 2011 17:17 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + a)In order to get the medic protection he'd have to be correct about Chaoser. This is a huge gamble. Wait, what'd he say about me? lol I'm tired from writing a paper, did I miss something? Sorry, you were on my mind when I was typing. I meant Coagulation. Errr not in any sort of homoerotic way. In a "I want to re-read your day 1 meta" way because something doesn't sit right with me but I'm not ready to FoS you or anything so I wouldn't worry about it. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:21 GMT
#1834
On April 13 2011 17:19 Coagulation wrote: I CAN PROVE IT WHEN Protactinium FLIPS ASSASSIN THEN U GUYS CAN DT CHECK ME FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. ITS JUST IF U GIVE ME 1 NIGHT THIS WILL RESOLVE ITSELF. DONT LYNCH A TOWNIE CAUSE AN ASSASSIN IS SPEWING LIES TO STAY ALIVE. If your plan is to claim vig i'm not impressed because that won't actually prove shit and that's the only role that can do anything like "prove" itself unless you're about to make some insane calleresque claim | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:23 GMT
#1841
On April 13 2011 17:22 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 13 2011 17:19 Coagulation wrote: I CAN PROVE IT WHEN Protactinium FLIPS ASSASSIN THEN U GUYS CAN DT CHECK ME FOR ALL I FUCKING CARE. ITS JUST IF U GIVE ME 1 NIGHT THIS WILL RESOLVE ITSELF. DONT LYNCH A TOWNIE CAUSE AN ASSASSIN IS SPEWING LIES TO STAY ALIVE. If your plan is to claim vig i'm not impressed because that won't actually prove shit and that's the only role that can do anything like "prove" itself unless you're about to make some insane calleresque claim I already told you guys im vet. I dont have to do anything. The assassins will fucking kill prot night 2 THAT SHOULD BE PRETTY OBVIOUS HE DIDNT DT CHECK ME AT THAT POINT. AND IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF YOU WOULD HOLD ME TO A DT CHECK NIGHT 2 ALSO. Veteran? as in the one that survives one night kill? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:26 GMT
#1846
On April 13 2011 17:26 Coagulation wrote: I havnt been lying to town all game. wouldnt it make sense to give me the benefit of the doubt. LAL can you clarify are you claiming veteran yes or no | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:28 GMT
#1848
Because I'm the veteran. And unless this is a no medic tons of veterans set-up, there is almost NEVER more than one veteran. Veteran is also the EASIEST and SAFEST fake roleclaim for mafia. bye coagulation | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:31 GMT
#1851
I used this bait just earlier On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not a very pro-town attitude. I'm asking if you're claiming veteran or joking. Answer the question. If bumatlarge claimed veteran I hoped to nail him for it. But he didn't which secured my trust in him quite a bit. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:31 GMT
#1854
On April 13 2011 17:30 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good now I know you're full of shit. Because I'm the veteran. And unless this is a no medic tons of veterans set-up, there is almost NEVER more than one veteran. Veteran is also the EASIEST and SAFEST fake roleclaim for mafia. bye coagulation Well I think we have to lynch Coag now. If he blue/green, DrH and Prot have both put themselves on the chopping block. This is like the best town day ever, no? There is the remote possibility that in this set-up there are no medics and instead there are many veterans. but really if me and protact and scum why would we go through SO MUCH effort to kill COAGULATION ITS COAGULATION | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:33 GMT
#1858
On April 13 2011 17:31 Coagulation wrote: I dunno what to tell you Doch Have fun lynching another townie. It's a collective decision this time. If you were in my position you'd make the same choice, you don't just write off a DT check claim on day 2. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:33 GMT
#1859
On April 13 2011 17:32 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 13 2011 17:30 urashimakt wrote: On April 13 2011 17:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Good now I know you're full of shit. Because I'm the veteran. And unless this is a no medic tons of veterans set-up, there is almost NEVER more than one veteran. Veteran is also the EASIEST and SAFEST fake roleclaim for mafia. bye coagulation Well I think we have to lynch Coag now. If he blue/green, DrH and Prot have both put themselves on the chopping block. This is like the best town day ever, no? There is the remote possibility that in this set-up there are no medics and instead there are many veterans. but really if me and protact and scum why would we go through SO MUCH effort to kill COAGULATION ITS COAGULATION All that name means to me as a newbie, honestly, is allcaps. Well that's about all there is to it. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:36 GMT
#1867
On April 13 2011 17:35 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:32 Mig wrote: I believe you anyway DrH. It seems like it would be such a retarded play to risk your position as mayor by fake roleclaiming vet. he isn't risking anything, he can't be DT checked as long as a bodyguard lives. Not saying he is scum, but if he really believes that coag is mafia this is an easy way to try and influence town opinion to go with him, and it will be an exceedingly long time before anyone would know that his claim was fake. wait you're not implying i'm mafia trying to get mafia lynched right because that would be absolutely ridiculous | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:40 GMT
#1875
No claim is guaranteed Coagulation is mafia. So if you are a veteran, I actually urge you to claim. 1 would suffice. There is a hidden element to this plan of course. If you have it figured out, kindly keep it to yourself. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:49 GMT
#1885
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:50 GMT
#1886
On April 13 2011 17:48 ilovejonn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote: at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER. hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP. Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target? inb4 scum pick a bad case and say "Well lets lynch this person he's OBVIOUSLY scum and let coagulation at least prove himself like he said he could..." | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:55 GMT
#1892
On April 13 2011 17:53 aidnai wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: All that has to happen to save Coagulation in my mind is a veteran claim. That would show that this is a special gametype and I'd reevaulate Protactiniums position. 40 player game, why are you convinced there's only one vet?! and why fish for them that's just facepalm dumb. Vets are totally useless once they claim :/ maybe you're hoping coag is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims vet as well now? I just don't get what you're thinking... because if you take assassins out of the picture, this isn't a very large setup. I've balanced and seen enough set-ups to know that the multiple vet scenario is pretty rare in the case that there are medics. if a second vet claims then that gives me a jumping off point to at least reevaluate the situation. otherwise there is no choice to lynch coagulation think critically maybe some things are better left unsaid aidnai | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 08:59 GMT
#1896
On April 13 2011 17:58 Barundar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote: why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN. My problem is that I can't find a scenario where flamewheel can be mafia. And if he is assassin, he only has this one chance of trying to survive by guessing on a red, and he picks you. He is an experienced player, and of all the possibilities he chose you. This means there is a pretty good reason to lynch you, whether he is an assassin or DT. that scenario is flamewheel and coagulation are both red and coagulation is getting bused to put flamewheel in a position of trust we should absolutely go through with this lynch because anything should be a potential bus and if flamewheel is bussing then that is STILL A MAFIA KILL FOR US | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:07 GMT
#1902
If he's black and wrong, we don't lynch him. We certainly don't protect him. He simply dies night 2 and we take the loss in stride and move on. On April 13 2011 18:04 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 18:01 Coagulation wrote: I want you to feel that Flamewheel. FEEL IT. THINK IT LONG AND HARD. You damn well know you took a GAMBLE. And you lost buddy. Its a shame you had to take me down with you. but you lost. I look forward to his next claim, if that turns out to be the case. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From BrownBear: Yes, there is a hidden role not mentioned in the OP. Don't tell anyone, but: The Prismatist - You are the Prismatist. Once and only once per day/night cycle, you may make a role claim. If you manage to claim a red, black, green, and blue role before being hit or lynched, you win. You will be removed from the main game. Show nested quote + Original Message From urashimakt: Is there a hidden role? Come on now, truthsies. Goodnight. Uh please confirm that this is a joke | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:11 GMT
#1904
people have tried to pass off even crazier shit as true before ahem caller ahem | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:13 GMT
#1906
On April 13 2011 18:11 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 18:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Protact would choose his #1 black target to make a scum analysis on. I have a hard time believing he thought Chaoser was assassin over kitaman27. If he's black and wrong, we don't lynch him. We certainly don't protect him. He simply dies night 2 and we take the loss in stride and move on. On April 13 2011 18:04 urashimakt wrote: On April 13 2011 18:01 Coagulation wrote: I want you to feel that Flamewheel. FEEL IT. THINK IT LONG AND HARD. You damn well know you took a GAMBLE. And you lost buddy. Its a shame you had to take me down with you. but you lost. I look forward to his next claim, if that turns out to be the case. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From BrownBear: Yes, there is a hidden role not mentioned in the OP. Don't tell anyone, but: The Prismatist - You are the Prismatist. Once and only once per day/night cycle, you may make a role claim. If you manage to claim a red, black, green, and blue role before being hit or lynched, you win. You will be removed from the main game. Show nested quote + Original Message From urashimakt: Is there a hidden role? Come on now, truthsies. Goodnight. Uh please confirm that this is a joke Sorry im not willing to "take the loss in stride" when an assassin is spreading lies about me. I wouldn't expect anybody regardless of alignment to say "Oh yeah guys lynch me, that's the efficient and pro-town thing to do!" Especially a player with a tendency to get as emotional and confrontational as you. But if you were in the town position in this scenario, I believe you'd be reasonable enough to do the same thing everyone else is doing. Voting for you. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:27 GMT
#1913
On April 13 2011 18:25 Coagulation wrote: Why the fuck would flamewheel claim to be an assassin if he is a DT. IF HE WAS A DT DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD JUST PUSH HIS CAMPAIGN BASED ON HIM BEING A GODAMN TOWNIE AND JUST PLAY PRO TOWN AND GET IN SAFE. hell half the fucking TOWN wanted to vote him as MAYOR WHEN THEY KNEW HE WAS A GODAMN ASSASSIN. DO YOU KNOW HOW EASY HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN MAYOR IF HE DIDNT CLAIM ASSASSIN. Do you really think he would FAKE CLAIM ASSASSIN TO GET ELECTED IF HE WAS A GODAMN DT. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? he honestly would have gotten mayor easier if he didn't claim assassin in the first place anyway | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:36 GMT
#1916
If flamewheel has doubts about his gamble his best bet for medic protection is to admit he is actually the assassin and lied. So I expect if he is the assassin this will resolve itself because ultimately he's acting in his best interest and we still have almost 48 hours to go before anyone is dead. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 09:42 GMT
#1918
On April 13 2011 18:38 Coagulation wrote: Fuck that thats stupid as fuck DONT WASTE A FUCKING MED ON HIM. LET HIM DIE. I'm not saying "medics protect him" Can you calm the fuck down and turn off caps lock? This is all based on the assumption that there are TWO assassins and Flamewheel strongly believes you (over the much more black acting kitaman27) are the second assassin. You should be trying to convince HIM that you aren't the assassin, not US that you aren't scum. In fact, if you are so sure that he is the assassin and this is his gamble why have you not done that? You're preaching to the wrong choir here if you really think about it. Of course if you're mafia you have no reason to try to convince him. You'd know he was the detective you'd know he was right and you'd KNOW the only angle you can take is spreading distrust of HIM amongst the TOWN. If you were TOWN trying to avoid being lynched by a fake claim by the assassin I would hope you'd realize he's acting in his own self interest and would certainly spare you/admit his lie if you could convince him you were not the assassin and that he could survive Night 2. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 14:36 GMT
#1936
On April 13 2011 18:50 Barundar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 13 2011 18:38 Coagulation wrote: Fuck that thats stupid as fuck DONT WASTE A FUCKING MED ON HIM. LET HIM DIE. I'm not saying "medics protect him" Can you calm the fuck down and turn off caps lock? This is all based on the assumption that there are TWO assassins and Flamewheel strongly believes you (over the much more black acting kitaman27) are the second assassin. You should be trying to convince HIM that you aren't the assassin, not US that you aren't scum. In fact, if you are so sure that he is the assassin and this is his gamble why have you not done that? You're preaching to the wrong choir here if you really think about it. Of course if you're mafia you have no reason to try to convince him. You'd know he was the detective you'd know he was right and you'd KNOW the only angle you can take is spreading distrust of HIM amongst the TOWN. If you were TOWN trying to avoid being lynched by a fake claim by the assassin I would hope you'd realize he's acting in his own self interest and would certainly spare you/admit his lie if you could convince him you were not the assassin and that he could survive Night 2. You scum hunting by guessing on the numbers of veterans and assassins in the game is making my brain hurt. Same when Rean comes and say Coag should die, no matter if Flamewheel is assassin or not. Glad we have another 2 days to figure this out. It's just fuel to the fire. DT claims he has a red hit. We lynch. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 14:38 GMT
#1937
On April 13 2011 22:10 bumatlarge wrote: Since the thread is fresh in my head~ Lotta people run for mayor Pandain claims DT (not DT of course) Protactinum claims assasin Doctor H gets mayor, lynches Kav because DH is probably scum and couldnt handle kav anylizing him GM is scum pardoner I diesel my way into the game Night hits come, no mis-hits sad town Prot is claims DT instead having checked coag and geting scum That basically it in a nutshell, and there are a lot of people running around doing nothing (see serejai). In fact, I don't remember prot actually saying that serjai, so please get vig'd. You might notice my case against Kav began WAYYYYYYYYYY before he ever accused me. It started on Night 0 even. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 20:53 GMT
#2039
If he is black, it's a big waste of a lynch. I could consider not lynching Coagulation, but killing flamewheel is a waste of a lynch. Big time. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 22:35 GMT
#2056
On April 14 2011 07:18 Kenpachi wrote: Scum Team Coagulation Barundar GMarshal RedFF Mister Wiggles Robellicose ilovejonn ~~~~~~ -runs away like a noob who accuses people and dont post reasons why they are scum because their reason for believe they are scum is actually bandwagoning other people's idea on the people they accused- lol this is almost identical to my list | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 22:40 GMT
#2060
On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote: If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW? Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks? It won't matter because he will die to assassins on Night 2. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 22:44 GMT
#2063
Out of that list who do you suspect? Barundar Coagulation GMarshal RedFF ilovejonn are all on my shitlist. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 23:15 GMT
#2079
On April 14 2011 08:04 aidnai wrote: LSB, I'm glad you're with us. I don't think anyone took time to say 'hi' to you yet, so, hi! Your thought process regarding protact pretty much mirrored mine, so naturally I kinda trust you at the moment. I'd love to have you on board with the lynching rean, so tell me what you think please! Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I disagree hugely with a large part of your analysis on Rean, I'll talk about that later with you. ... You replied so fast I don't think you read it. Also there's only one large part to my analysis on rean, and I don't see how you can disagree with it... T.T And, to take care of this for now, ##Vote: Rean I read 300 words a minute bruh don't underestimate me IM A WIZARD | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 23:24 GMT
#2081
On April 14 2011 08:15 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 08:12 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 14 2011 08:10 GMarshal wrote: On April 14 2011 08:06 M0nsterChef wrote: On April 14 2011 07:45 redFF wrote: On April 14 2011 07:38 M0nsterChef wrote: If we lynch coagulation and he flips green, then do we automatically lynch FW? Also: which people do you guys think deserve dt/ tracker checks? Why do you ask, are u dt/tracker? How about you post your opinions on anything for once. Do you trust Flamewheel? Do you think we should lynch coag? What do you think of the huge post i made trying to prove to other people you are scum??? You haven't made one post talking about your stance on any issues, come on!!! THIS GUY IS FUCKING SCUM I'm not scum. Wonderful defense, I love how you indexed it and everything so I could easily refernce the different points. Theres a well bodied accusation against you out there. Please try to defend yourself better than this. I'm a tracker. I tracked RedFF and he didn't go anywhere. /facepalm /facepalm /facepalm Word cannot describe how foolish this claim was. There are a lot of newbies in this game. Roleclaims seem like an easy way to "defend" to the newer player. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 13 2011 23:50 GMT
#2087
On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: The big problem with this debate is 1) likely scenario is protact = assassin, coag = vet 2) mafia don't really care about who we kill here 3) debating this is therefore mostly a waste of time. Best course of action is let protact die tonight, decide about a coag lynch based on the flip (or vig him pretty please Therefore it's time to post my lynch candidate: Rean. + Show Spoiler [rean's posts with commentary] + On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + I told you: if elected, I am an invincible double-shot vigilante. How are vigilantes generally used? You kill people who are very predominantly Mafia, and that's what I'm going to do. Being that I have my own excellentlucky hunches to back up my analysis, as well as a Detective check, you can bet that I'll be shooting Mafia, and I'm going to obviously be calling out my shots. Vigilantes generally confirm themselves in other games by breadcrumbing shots, and I have no need for such subtlety. yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress Show nested quote + Reiterating what I said above, I'm shooting anti-town targets, predominantly Mafia at first then moving into Assassins later on. If hits overlap, traditionally Mafia takes precedence. Yet again, that's a waste of KP for them. And if they hit Veterans, then obviously the Vet speaks up like normal, saying he took a shot in the night. YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 22:52 DropBear wrote: Pandain have you died or something? Also Rean. You have approximately double the posts in Insane2, a completed game, than you have here since day 1 started. What's so boring about our game? I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. On April 12 2011 23:10 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 23:08 DropBear wrote: On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: On April 12 2011 22:52 DropBear wrote: Pandain have you died or something? Also Rean. You have approximately double the posts in Insane2, a completed game, than you have here since day 1 started. What's so boring about our game? I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? You're sounding like serejai lol. Nah, he's my teammate but he's putting the "ask stupid questions and look like a total newbie" method to the test. I'm trying out the strategy I explained above trollolol -_- On April 12 2011 23:29 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 23:20 Serejai wrote: Can a mod please help me with the game objective? I thought we were supposed to kill mafia or assassins but the mayor is killing town instead Don't complain, we want them to kill town so they don't lynch us. We talked over this yesterday, remember? zzz... On April 13 2011 00:13 Rean wrote: Awesome. Now all we need is iGrok to swap in for one of my other scumbuddy's and the famed Insane Mafia 2 police team is back worket together once more! ON, can't you suddenly be inable to play so iGrok can swap in or something? At this point, it's obvious that Rean is trying to bring his activity level to 'normal' levels while ignoring what is actually going on so he doesn't have to take a stance. On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 07:33 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 07:29 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynching for information is like fucking for virginity. ....that has to be the most retarded analogy yet. no comment On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote: Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot. Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean On April 13 2011 17:12 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 17:06 urashimakt wrote: On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote: Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot. Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. I don't have anything against what you've said except that you should care if he's assassin, since assassin can't use their DT check night 1. Just a thought. I'm saying that if he's a assassin, he just made the read on Coagulation because it's pretty easy to see he's scum based on his posting. He's a veteran player after all, it wouldn't be all that far-fetched. Sure, he'd be lying his ass off but he's not actually being detrimental to town so /care. Once again, contradicting his original rejection of protact. This is huge: before he couldn't accept for one second that protact would play in a way that didn't hurt town, now he's convinced of the opposite. What's the difference? well, in case one protact is denying scum a chance at mayor, in case two, protact is tying up a medic, but still role-blockable. On April 13 2011 17:35 Rean wrote: That just about seals the deal. Cya Coagulation. This alone makes me sure that coag is a bad lynch today. On April 13 2011 18:32 Rean wrote: So he is a assassin, whatever. Doesn't clear you one bit, you've still acted pretty damn scummy all game long. Yes, acted scummy by opposing protact as mayor amirite? On April 13 2011 21:09 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 20:33 redFF wrote: Very skeptical and lynching coag is a bad idea when pretty much nobody has read him as scum and as he said, he's been read as assassin by multiple people. Read the damn thread, plenty of people are reading him as scum, notably because of his extreme opposition towards Prot while also heavily promoting GMarshal to be mayor (without ever giving any solid reason as to why GM other then "had town read on him". You're following scum 101: one of your buddies under threat? Suggest they lynch someone else. Try harder please. mudslinging On April 13 2011 22:07 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 22:04 LSB wrote: Hey guys, I don't want to read ~100 pages. Can someone link me Mr. Wiggle's latest analysis of people? Thanks! Is he one of your scumbuddy's? more mudslinging. If you don't want to read the whole wall of text, read only the quotes that I posted red under. Important points to remember: 1) Rean's attitude towards protact and coag proves that he is mafia 2) Rean's attitude towards his activity level and his responses to criticism indicate he is mafia 3) Rean's lack of contribution and mudslinging just put the nail in the coffin. Lynch Red. Lynch Rean. I really dislike this for a few reasons. Your rhetoric at the end is alarming. Using the word proves takes it a bit far. However I do understand the intoxication of confidence in scumhunting and the desire to be a bit provocative. Pot calling the kettle black but I feel the need to point it out because it's a mistake I make too. "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. A lot of shitty townies are in this mentality. This is bad reasoning on Rean's part but it isn't enough for a lynch. a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. He's saying coagulation is a likely assassin choice because he was so vehement in his opposition for protact as mayor. I picked up on this as well. FoS on coagulation/gmarshal isn't a scumtell. I think you misunderstand the last part. I said basically the same thing, I'm surprised you aren't going after me for it. Picking the easy target? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 00:00 GMT
#2091
On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Thanks for reminding me to look at the kills jackal, I remember I thought it was something important to do (some vet mentioned it after insane 2, I forget who), and then day came and I woke up to the whole Assassin claiming DT mess. Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away. So, one by one now darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea. A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing. Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 00:16 GMT
#2098
On April 14 2011 09:07 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 09:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 08:57 GMarshal wrote: Thanks for reminding me to look at the kills jackal, I remember I thought it was something important to do (some vet mentioned it after insane 2, I forget who), and then day came and I woke up to the whole Assassin claiming DT mess. Anyway, my take on the kills, I'm going back and looking at every post by this person to see why they might have been killed. Mafia will often off those who start to suspect them to draw attention away. So, one by one now darmousseh: Thinks I am town, thinks Dr.H is town, thinks Kav is scum, almost no relevant posts tnkted: FoS on TranceStorm, Defends ON based on the same stuff I said, Thinks I'm town, Defends MiB CubEdIn: had all of *three* posts before his death... yeah makes no sense to me. at least he was restored to us! Pandain: I can only assume that the shit with his DT claim worried the mafia enough to shoot him, although this kill makes the least sense of all, in my opinion at least. Pandian didn't have any credibility or any posts outside of his DT claim conclusion: is the mafia team retarded? or just slow on the uptake? The missed all the good analysts and people with thread presence and went after people who weren't doing much. While im glad the missed all the people posting alot of analysis, I have to suspect that they don't enjoy a very strong leadership. Either that or they consciously chose to avoid people on my medic list, (well except for tnkted) which would point to the medic lists being a good idea. A common trait is that all these people (Except pandian) thought I was town at one point or another, which is noteworthy, although it proves nothing. Also Dr.H waiting on your reply to me ^_^ I hope you're comfortable waiting quite a while. I scanned it and saw mostly bad point. I don't intend to have a back and forth with you. I'll tell you why you're misguided once and leave it at that unless you have specific questions. Well, thats one way to defend oneself I guess, refuse to argue. Ok, tell me why I'm "misguided" if it doesn't satisfy me I'll keep bothering you No, I'm saying I will respond to your post just not anytime very soon because I am too busy to make a long drawn out post right this very minute. I'm saying that once I defend myself, I've defended myself. I don't want to have a big argument with you, it's just noise. People can look at what you said and what I said and decide for themselves what makes sense. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 01:17 GMT
#2113
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 02:22 GMT
#2147
On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 02:28 GMT
#2150
On April 14 2011 11:27 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. Read the description in the op very carefully. I'm not going to say more than that either way. It says reveal their "true profession". This does not necessarily imply that they will not get alignment. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 02:32 GMT
#2155
On April 14 2011 11:30 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 11:27 GMarshal wrote: On April 14 2011 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. Read the description in the op very carefully. I'm not going to say more than that either way. It says reveal their "true profession". This does not necessarily imply that they will not get alignment. Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. No scum would do this to save coagulation of all people. My vote is off Coagulation. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 02:42 GMT
#2160
On April 14 2011 11:36 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 11:30 GMarshal wrote: On April 14 2011 11:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 11:27 GMarshal wrote: On April 14 2011 11:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 14 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: On April 13 2011 15:26 Protactinium wrote: Alright guys, now that night is over, I have another announcement to make. I checked Coagulation last night, and he is Mafia. you sir are not a DT, because that is not how DT's funcion in this game. DTs here return a role from which you must infer alignment. You didn't claim your check revealed coag to be a goon or a roleblocker, because you had no way of knowing that that is what you would get back as a dt, you didn't check coag last night because you are an assassin, hence you dont know if he is scum and if he is you dont know what role. Can we now as a town ignore the assassin? If you explain how exactly you know this then I am fully ready to abandon the coagulation lynch and do a new analysis. Read the description in the op very carefully. I'm not going to say more than that either way. It says reveal their "true profession". This does not necessarily imply that they will not get alignment. Well then I guess I have no choice but to claim. I'm a DT. I will *not* reveal who I checked as to not put them into any danger. I was hoping to keep this as a surprise to the scum in the lategame, but I'm not going to let the assassin get away with shit. Your attitude toward Protact made it obvious, tbh. Frankly, I'm not sure I believe it, and I'll explain why in a minute. coagulation is not a power player I can't see any mafia faking a DT claim to save a lynch on coagulation. that's pretty desperate play especially considering how much dissent there already is to the lynch: and the fact that mafia has no reason to try to get protactinium lynched/killed if they believe he is the assassin (unlike the reasons they would have to keep him out of office) | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 03:26 GMT
#2183
On April 14 2011 12:23 BrownBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 11:28 chaoser wrote: BrownBear Does DT checks give back alignment or roles? Role, from which alignment can be inferred. Well that's it then. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 05:04 GMT
#2219
On April 14 2011 13:28 tnkted wrote: mafia is talking to me in PM they say hi, and that you guys are all going to die like i did GO GET EM TOWN Please stop posting. This interferes with my analysis of the game whether you think what you're posting is relevant or not. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 21:55 GMT
#2309
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#2314
Why do you trust Coagulations roleclaim in the first place? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#2315
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:07 GMT
#2318
On April 15 2011 07:02 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Wouldn't you rather lynch scum (other than coag), than an assassin? Who else is up for the lynch? Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd rather lynch scum. Why do you trust Coagulations roleclaim in the first place? I don't get why don't people accept Coag's claim at face value? If he was mafia he'd claim townie. if i were mafia i'd claim veteran | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:12 GMT
#2323
On April 15 2011 07:07 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 07:02 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Wouldn't you rather lynch scum (other than coag), than an assassin? Who else is up for the lynch? On April 15 2011 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'd rather lynch scum. Why do you trust Coagulations roleclaim in the first place? I don't get why don't people accept Coag's claim at face value? If he was mafia he'd claim townie. if i were mafia i'd claim veteran Just saying, you kindof suck at fake claims. By suck I mean you really really suck at fake claims. I guess so because I've never done it except in HP veteran = easiest blue role to fake | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:22 GMT
#2332
On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote: Read this So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan: Today we lynch Prot no Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NO If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid. Why this is preferable that letting Prot live Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:23 GMT
#2333
On April 15 2011 07:15 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:08 Eiii wrote: Even if prot is mafia, why should we waste a lynch on him? Given how mixed up he is with his assassin claim, I'd be willing to bet that he dies tonight. Lynching him just gets him killed 24h sooner, and forces the assassins to look elsewhere for their first hit. Think. If you are an assassin and you know that Prot is a mafia. Would you shoot Prot? Or would you shoot someone else you think is an assassin? You would shoot the second person. The assassin knows that Prot will be lynched Day 3. And Prot being lynched day three is good for the assassin for two reasons. 1) They don't have to waste a hit, and can search somewhere else. 2) They are saved from suspicion for one day. thats impossible soooo | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:26 GMT
#2335
On April 15 2011 07:17 ilovejonn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:09 Serejai wrote: On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:54 Kenpachi wrote: On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Would you lose a DT over a Vet? Think about it, Protact is a waste of a lynch. Directs KP (black) to 1 person if Coag is town. He is not a DT Um, I think this guy is right cause he's a DT (check his icon next to name) Seriously, what is up with this guy? Why are we keeping him alive? Because he's new? When I was new I actually tried to play the game.. but this is just ridiculous. Also, I will not discuss the Coag vs Prot situation anymore, and I'm keeping my vote on who I think is scum. Vig hitting Coag and letting Prot die at night is the best situation if Coag is red and Prot is blue. If Prot is DT then he knows he did his best and at least did a 1 - 1 trade for town despite town not voting for Coag. The only BAD situation I can think of for town is if we have no Vig's left after Pandain died. Therefore if Coag lives the night and claims a hit, and if no VIGI's step up to claim they shot Coag, I'm willing to bet Coag is scum. oh wait we have someone coming along with LSB's "plan" with a much softer claim. You've contributed very little to the thread and you start off your post insinuating we should lynch someone regardless of their alignment. bolded proven to be false Prot is not the dt. This plan is nearly identical to LSB's except: -you insinuate protact could be blue which we all know isn't true now -involves vigi roleclaim -involves possibly wasting a vigi hit what I find interesting is you don't consider how awful this plan is IF coagulation is blue and Protact is black/red. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:27 GMT
#2336
On April 15 2011 07:25 ilovejonn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:19 chaoser wrote: The only BAD situation I can think of for town is if we have no Vig's left after Pandain died. Therefore if Coag lives the night and claims a hit, and if no VIGI's step up to claim they shot Coag, I'm willing to bet Coag is scum. or a red can claim vigi, that they shot coag but coag didn't die "proving" he's a vet? Hmm, that's bad too. Ah shit, that's actually a really good point if a mafia does that we won't know if they're telling the truth unless there's a DT check.. + we don't know how many blue roles there are.. Also, LSB I agree with your points. Now that I think about it, Prot's DT/black claim is very good for him.. Mafia might be hesistant to hit him at night if he's truly black, but they would also want to hit a DT. Blacks wouldn't want to hit him since they have a secured black target to use their last hammer on, or at least their DT check on Prot first. This situation just gets messier unless we lynch one of them.. ugh. Why don't we lynch neither, have GMarshal check Coagulation and then march on? I think we should find a scum outside this whole situation to lynch today and resolve whats going with this during the night. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:28 GMT
#2339
nice coincidence | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:29 GMT
#2341
why not do that LSB and ilovejonn? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:31 GMT
#2342
On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote: Read this So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan: Today we lynch Prot no Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NO If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid. Why this is preferable that letting Prot live Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:35 GMT
#2346
because: this plan can "fail" and mafia can simply stack a hit on somebody tonight. when that happens coagulation claims "i took a hit" and seeing as there are only 2-3 deaths, the town believes the claim. The "vig check" can be manipulate to make coagulation look a veteran if he is mafia and his claim could just be a set-up. Why would he have to claim Veteran in the first place? How does that help his "case against prot" at all? He says he can "prove it", is this plan by LSB the "proof" they had planned on? This puts in my mind two scenarios: LSB/ilovejonn are mafia trying to waste a vig hit on BLUE coagulation and a lynch and protactinium LSB/ilovejonn are mafia with coagulation and trying to save him with an indirect defense The GMarshal check is the safest and most pro-town way to resolve this situation. I say we look for a good analysis elsewhere and have a new lynch. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:37 GMT
#2348
On April 15 2011 07:34 ilovejonn wrote: Actually LSB's post ninja'd mine while I just came back, and when you bring a better case to the table when there are wayyy more people scummier than me to be considered a lynch target for today (Rean, Serejai, etc.), I might consider defending myself. Actually I just did. Would you rather lynch a target 70% likely to be scum or 50%? i seriously doubt serejai is scum and after reconsidering aidnai's analysis of rean he does look sort of suspicious but more like just a bad newbie LSB is not a bad newbie, this is deliberate misleading of the town and I'm calling it. Lynch LSB, check coagulation. If LSB is red/Coag blue lynch ilovejonn. If LSB is red/coagulation red lynch Coag and hit ilovejonn imo. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:40 GMT
#2352
On April 15 2011 07:36 ilovejonn wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 07:28 ilovejonn wrote: On April 15 2011 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 07:14 LSB wrote: Read this So, you, yes you. Why are you lynching Coagulation? Are you trusting the words of a Mafia (presumptuous) who lied about being an Assassin how do you know that, and has been Proven by Gmarshall to be lying about his role of detective? Why are you lynching coagulation? Because you think he's red? How about this. A compromise. The Plan: Today we lynch Prot no Tonight we will call for a Vig hit on Coagulation LOL NO If Coagulation is hit and survives the night, that means he is vet. If he isn't vet, he'll just be dead. Win win. This makes perfect sense if you are scum and coagulation is not. This means town wastes lynch on the assassin and we lose a vig hit that will be useful later. The vig hit is NOT to be used as a confirmation power, don't be silly. In a 40 person game that's just stupid. Why this is preferable that letting Prot live Contrary to popular belief, Mafia and assassins have little incentive to kill Prot. LOL This is because they know that if they let Prot live, he'll just be lynched. Incorrect. Assassins have a HUGE incentive to kill Prot. Because A= they gain 1 KP, B= they come closer to winning the game. This is good for them because it takes heat off of them for one day. We will need to lynch Prot one way or the other. If we do it this way according to plan, we 1) Save a lynch. 2) If coag is saying the truth, we'll have 1 more townie. we DO NOT need to lynch Prot because there is no way assassins wont hit him on night 2. This is a plan meant to make town WASTE a lynch and a VIG hit. You've contradicted yourself a lot trying to put this "plan" into place, I'll have a longer post on you coming up shortly. Reading LSB's recent posts has put me in a bit of a new perspective. If he's scum, I doubt the mafia is all going along with this. Unfortunately Coagulations alignment gives a HUGE amount of information. I think we should lynch Rean or m0nsterchef, someone like that. Have GMarshal check coagulation on night 2 and report the results. This way we can get the "information" without potentially losing a townie. That's my plan : / Also going to take a look at: redFF I know GM claimed DT, but can we really trust his claim as well? He has bodyguards and no one can check GM. He also hasn't revealed who he checked Night 1 in order to protect him, but I can understand that. because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Huh... I actually would have assumed he PM'd the host to ask specifically about how a DT works. His claim is as trust worthy as Prot's, and Prot even explained why he just said Coag is mafia, why go into specifics if he is not a Roleblocker and just a Goon? Look, I am not here to defend Prot or push GM. I still stand that I feel Rean and Serejai are scum. You assumed the reason that would lead us to distrust GMarshal's claim because you don't like the idea of an invincible DT do you? That sort of breadcrumbing strategy, this much manipulation, it's not how Gmarshal plays scum. This is one of those things it's very easy to say scum might do but they probably never would. He didn't come right out and say it, he breadcrumbed and asked about it for a bit before he revealed the information. He didn't want to claim. Scums goal is to get the claim in right away. He didn't claim until I actually pressured him to. It sounds like you have a preset agenda, you don't want to analyse the information to come to a conclusion, you want to manipulate the information to come to your conclusion. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:41 GMT
#2354
On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Show nested quote + Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. wut lol He isn't inactive. He's contributing but he isn't good at it. The game I played with him he said nothing and just asked other people to make decisions for him basically. Very different play overall. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:42 GMT
#2356
On April 15 2011 07:40 ilovejonn wrote: Wow Dr. H. Yeah, go ahead and lynch/hit me. Once I flip green you'll REALLY have to reconsider what you are looking at to find scum this game. AND STOP NINJA REPLYING TO MY POSTS, you are too fast. Why don't you defend yourself properly instead of this guilt trip/sob story/psych me out bs | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:43 GMT
#2358
On April 15 2011 07:38 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + because gmarshal proved mechanically that protactinium wasn't the DT. IF he was scum gambling to save coag he wouldn't do it in that nature, he'd say "bullshit cuz im the DT and i checked coag and he's veteran" or something like that. But he went into specifics about the way the DT works that only a DT would know. Even I figured out that DT gave back alignment from the OP and I ain't a DT. That makes his claim pretty trustworthy in my eyes. Show nested quote + Also last game I was in (not tooo long ago) Gmarshal was the wishy washiest and most inactive lurker scum I've ever seen. Totally not how he's playing this game. Shit he gunned to get me lynched. He's just a bad scumhunter. Show nested quote + On April 13 2011 11:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: No, it's a bad and shitty play. Bum's analysis on you is pretty good. Looking back you've contributed much less than Kav. You've been wishy washy in your lynch choices. At first you said you'd lynch an inactive, this draws the least attention and is agreeable to most people. Then as soon as you're criticized for that seriously, you say "Yeah I'm gonna change! Stand up and be a man!" Then you go back to being completely indecisive and pretty much poking at inactives as soon as everything blows over. Your defenses here aren't convincing, they actually make you look a bit worse. I wish I had a read on your meta but I'm starting to think bum is right. Of course I won't put my votes on you until I read your post history for myself, I wish I had the time to do it today, but like I said: I'll wait until Day 2 to make a scum case. For the reason that I don't have time to analyse things much today and that it's just pointless to post it all at night since I'm invulnerable to hits for the time being. wut lol er you mean "didn't give back" right? i like that you appear minutes after i start pressuring lsb/ilovejonn to try to shut down my check plan if gmarshal is lying about being the DT then this puts pressure on him to actually make something out of it. if he's mafia, this actually puts a ton of pressure on him. especially if a second DT does the same check. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 22:44 GMT
#2359
On April 15 2011 07:42 chaoser wrote: You said he was wishy washy. and now you're saying he's not wishy washy. Which is it? inactive !=wishy washy | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#2368
On April 15 2011 07:53 ilovejonn wrote: Okay, look. I don't like where this is going. If you think I am scum and want to build a case around me fine. I will defend myself when I need to. I will let you have the last post on this matter if you will, but for now I will shut up and think about the situation and think of clear lynch targets. I still FOS Rean and Serejai. If you are a newb Serejai please read some games and post better. You have not responded to any attacks towards you, whether you realized it or not, and are making people believe you are scum trying to coast along as a newbie more and more. Last game in Insane mafia 2, Lemonwalrus said it was his first game, Coag believed him to be a townie trying to learn the game when in fact he was scum, I will not tolerate people coasting by as a newb. Does it really take 3 posts for you to tell me "if you want to call me scum build a case around me" On April 15 2011 07:47 chaoser wrote: I'm not asking about the inactive part. I'm asking about the wishy washy part. Yes he is and I think that's just bad town play on his part. He admitted himself he isn't a great scumhunter and it shows in his poor analysis. But he's a lot less wishy washy. He didn't have the courage to even TRY to make a scumcase when he was scum before and in this game he calls me out and I'm the most vocal poster. Big difference. Also noted: you show up at the same time I pressure LSB/Ilovejonn to indirectly defend them by discrediting Gmarshal. Here's an important thing I realized while I was on my way to take the bus home: Ilovejonn is completely willing to reject GMarshal's claim based on the idea that "oh he probably PM'd BrownBear to find out" yet insinuated Flamewheel could VERY WELL be the detective. This is completely contradictory logic. This is not the mistake of a townie who isn't thinking this is the mistake of someone who has a GOAL (to discredit GMarshal and block my plan from going through) and fucked up trying to achieve it. Trying to discredit GMarshal's DT claim while ignoring the fact that Protactinium 100% CONFIRMED lied about his claim is ridiculous. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:33 GMT
#2369
On April 15 2011 07:53 ilovejonn wrote: Okay, look. I don't like where this is going. If you think I am scum and want to build a case around me fine. I will defend myself when I need to. I will let you have the last post on this matter if you will, but for now I will shut up and think about the situation and think of clear lynch targets. I still FOS Rean and Serejai. If you are a newb Serejai please read some games and post better. You have not responded to any attacks towards you, whether you realized it or not, and are making people believe you are scum trying to coast along as a newbie more and more. Last game in Insane mafia 2, Lemonwalrus said it was his first game, Coag believed him to be a townie trying to learn the game when in fact he was scum, I will not tolerate people coasting by as a newb. of course you don't because i'm sayin you and lsb are scum | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#2370
On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote: I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town? From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors. I think Serajai is definitely town aligned. I have an issue with Serajai that must be resolved with the mod first though. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:39 GMT
#2372
On April 15 2011 08:37 TranceStorm wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 08:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 08:31 TranceStorm wrote: I just got back to this thread, and jesus christ I have missed so much. Personally, I feel that Serejai is definitely mafia because of his almost complete lack of comprehension in his posts. If you read his comments in some other threads, they seem rational and well thought-out as in he was definitely trying to understand the situation at hand. Here, however, he doesn't act like he's actively trying to understand whats going on and blatantly makes statements that defy logic What motivation would he have for doing so if he were town? From my cursory glance at the thread, no one has seemed to step up and deny that Serejai is probably a mafia, but everyone seems to glide over the issue to focus on other lynch targets. I think this is currently misguided, we can't know for certain if any of those people are mafia or not so we should wait for a few more night actions. On the other hand, we have an almost guaranteed mafia in the form of Serejai. The likelihood that Serejai is mafia is far greater than that of any of the other players, each of whom seems to have lots of supporters and detractors. I think Serajai is definitely town aligned. I have an issue with Serajai that must be resolved with the mod first though. Really? If you read his posts, they just seem to ignore all possible notions of logic meaning that he is deliberately putting on this facade of being new. No person would ever say that they believe that someone is correct because their icon is that of a DT unless they were deliberately acting in an illogical fashion. Yes, I think he is town aligned. No one is taking his posts seriously, he isn't doing anything to affect the lynch/mislead town, he's essentially just posting jokes. It's hard to read that and I think there are bigger fish to deal with. i.e scum actively trying to mislead lynches/town i.e lsb | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:52 GMT
#2375
DoctorHelvetica's Plan -GMarshal and the other (or if there are three all of them) check Coagulation on Night 2. -GMarshal announces his results. -If his results are incorrect, the other DT will claim and out him (and get medic protection that night) This is undeniably a winning scenario for town. Look at each scenario. GMarshal and Coagulation are SCUM. -GMarshal is forced to bus him. -If GMarshal lies about his claim to save Coagulation, the other DT calls him out and we lynch GMarshal and VIG HIT Coagulation. Netting a double scum kill. GMarshal is DT and Coagulation is scum -We lynch Coagulation and get a mafia kill. GMarshal is scum and Coagulation is blue -GMarshal is forced to lie and he will always lie that Coagulation is the veteran. -If Coagulation is actually a different green/blue role or an assassin the real DT will claim this and we lynch GMarshal. Both GMarshal and Coagulation are the roles they originally claimed. -We now have good information we can use to reevaluate Day 2 and we avoid wasting a lynch on Coag or Protactinium. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:54 GMT
#2376
On April 15 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: DoctorHelvetica's Plan -GMarshal and the other (or if there are three all of them) check Coagulation on Night 2. -GMarshal announces his results. -If his results are incorrect, the other DT will claim and out him (and get medic protection that night) This is undeniably a winning scenario for town. Look at each scenario. GMarshal and Coagulation are SCUM. -GMarshal is forced to bus him. -If GMarshal lies about his claim to save Coagulation, the other DT calls him out and we lynch GMarshal and VIG HIT Coagulation. Netting a double scum kill. GMarshal is DT and Coagulation is scum -We lynch Coagulation and get a mafia kill. GMarshal is scum and Coagulation is blue -GMarshal is forced to lie and he will always lie that Coagulation is the veteran. -If Coagulation is actually a different green/blue role or an assassin the real DT will claim this and we lynch GMarshal. Both GMarshal and Coagulation are the roles they originally claimed. -We now have good information we can use to reevaluate Day 2 and we avoid wasting a lynch on Coag or Protactinium. This will either: -Put huge pressure on GMarshal if he lied about his DT claim. -Get a scum kill -Confirm Coagulation without wasting vig hits/lynch and "give information" the proper way instead of the scum way (lynching/viging people) | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:56 GMT
#2378
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 14 2011 23:57 GMT
#2380
On April 15 2011 08:56 Rean wrote: LSB is a waste of a lynch. He's on a crusade to get Protactinium lynched when mafia would just leave him to die to the assassins. I think it's pretty clear LSB is scum, but not the red kind, and hence not the kind worth wasting a lynch on. And to get town to waste a vig and to save coagulation and to get the town to waste a lynch overall getting an assassin lynched is a success for mafia especially if he's pressuring one of their teammates. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:00 GMT
#2382
You have no real reason to tunnel Coagulation though I guess unless you are the DT. I hate second guessing myself but I have to rethink. There is the fact that there are no other veteran counterclaims and I think it's unlikely there are 2 vets thats a really weird number. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:00 GMT
#2385
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:16 GMT
#2401
On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:26 GMT
#2409
On April 15 2011 09:18 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 09:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 09:11 chaoser wrote: If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT This is true That's a good point. In fact coagulation being godfather would explain the major save. also I see absolutely no reason for you to tunnel coag unless you're the DT. If you're scum that only makes sense if you're busing him which is still a scum lynch for us. If you're DT it makes perfect sense. IF you're assassin it would have been easier to admit your lie and try a different bid for medic protection. Voting for Coagulation is the sensible thing to do. If you're wrong you're dead in the night anyway. If coag is GF he would've shown up as Veteran to the DT check, like Trance just pointed out. Yeah, i just realized this. Good call by TranceStorm. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:27 GMT
#2410
On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red. GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on. I'm starting to think Rean is Red. Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 00:30 GMT
#2416
On April 15 2011 09:29 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 09:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 09:23 chaoser wrote: On April 15 2011 09:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote: LSB is anti-town. I think he's a sure Red. GMarshal, I'm 50-50 on. I'm starting to think Rean is Red. Coag might be red, I'd like to see a check/vig. I'd rather have a Coag lynch, LSB check/vigi. There's so much defense over coag himself where they're merely arguing against Prot's alignment and not the actual analysis. There's throwaway lines like "he's always spammy, this is how he is" etc. when really, yeah he's spammy, but it's a focused targetted spam. He'd be on someone's ass hardcore. But he hasn't this game. I haven't felt the need to be like god damnit coag, chill the fuck out that I usually do. He's playing different. Pretty sure at this point we all know prot is black and he's going to get shot to shit. Doesn't mean the theory of Coag being GF any less true. It lines up with why people are coming out in FORCE to save him. Sure, we can flip that. GMarshal, do you commit to using a DT check on LSB on Night 2? I think that would give the mafia extra incentive to hit LSB if he is town, and otherwise makes it so that medics have to stack on him just in case. I'd rather remain autonomous, but if the town insists that that that is what they want, then I am happy to comply. Then comply. How does that give mafia extra incentive to hit LSB? If he's town they want to hit him anyway cause he's experienced. You are an invincible DT don't weasel your way out of this. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:23 GMT
#2468
On April 15 2011 10:21 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Anyone voting for protact, please change off, it's a stupid lynch and a waste of your vote. How about me? There are two people up for vote, me and coagulation. I don't want to lynch coag, and voting for myself is stupid You could put the effort into real scumhunting | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:25 GMT
#2472
On April 15 2011 10:03 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 09:55 GMarshal wrote: On April 15 2011 09:53 LSB wrote: Summary of the reasons why people are being pushed to lynch. Flamewheel Lied about being DT. Is obviously ainitown Coagulation Flamewheel said he is DT and check coagulation who turned up red LSB Defends coagulation. Coagulation was checked by Flamewheel and is red. Therefore LSB is red. All I can say is wow You argue with them, I'm tired of fighting against a know liar and the town just flatly ignoring me, and/or siding with the assassin. Town is going to lose this. It's like Mafia XXXV. The town is a mob and is only as smart as the leader. Although people may think individually they are smart and analyze much, most people play a game of follow the leader. XXXVIII worked nicely since of the lucky Day 1 lynch got quiet a few of the vets to become the leader However this game is kindof doomed. Anyone competent is either killed (kavdragon) or ignored. Tonight the mafia will snipe a few more vets. In addition, the leaders that have emerged Flamewheel and DocH are not suited for their roles. Flamewheel because his role PM is not green or blue, DocH because he screws over any town he is in. If I were you Gmarshal, I would count on my bodyguards. Once the town calms down, use your immunity to push for a lynch on the clear mafia. Saying this bullshit now instead of trying to help. Vote LSB. Protact agree's he's scum with me so why not kill this idiot now, have GMarshal check Coag and if GMarshal lies to save him then we can nab both. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:25 GMT
#2473
On April 15 2011 10:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:21 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 10:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Anyone voting for protact, please change off, it's a stupid lynch and a waste of your vote. How about me? There are two people up for vote, me and coagulation. I don't want to lynch coag, and voting for myself is stupid Then pick someone you think is scum. If you think protact is scum, sure, vote for him. But for everyone voting for him because he's an assassin, it's silly. Lynching an assassin isn't very great for town. secret : he doesn't want to help town at all | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:26 GMT
#2478
hey remember the time when I got the mafia team pinned in insane as mayor and the town fell apart after I died? no ofc you don't, you only helped host that game and you don't want to admit I've done anything good cause that wouldn't mislead town now would it | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:28 GMT
#2483
On April 15 2011 10:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: Don't waste your votes on Protactinium, THEY are probably about to get modkilled. ??? What makes you think it's two people on that account? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:33 GMT
#2488
-90% based on DT claiming bullshit that we can not resolve until the night phase. Case on LSB: -Posting behavior -Misleading town -Complaining about no one helping/bad leadership while failing to provide anything concrete -Wants to lynch Protactinium, a ridiculous plan cleary this will waste a lynch -His "night plan" involves burning a town vig and lynching someone who most people believe is assassin -Usually somewhat helpful/optimistic as town, usually has a somewhat sensible plan that falls apart due to one simple mistake, not playing his town meta at all here -Has inactive players parroting his ideas without ever responding to his posts -Protact agrees LSB is scummy as hell -LSB is inadvertently defending Coagulation, the other main lynch target Kill LSB, GMarshal will check N2. If LSB is red that puts Coag/ilovejonn/kevconsm in a bad position. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:34 GMT
#2490
On April 15 2011 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:29 Lemonwalrus wrote: It is at least 3, I will have all the proof you need as soon as it is confirmed that this is against the rules and will get them modkilled. Smurfs are supposed to have checked in with the host before the game has begun, so if it's true, then BB probably knows about it. Also, aren't strategic modkills not allowed? If you catch another player cheating: report it. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:41 GMT
#2502
On April 14 2011 03:12 GMarshal wrote: Well, since I don't want to waste our lynch on coag I thought I would provide you something nice to work with. GMarshal's Analysis of Dr.H This originally started as a PbP but man, Dr.H posts in a volume to rival mine is the first non-troll post Dr.H makes besides stating that he does not talk at night. Interesting to see how he is tunneling from the start This is not a scumtell. I have no reason to tunnel Kavdragon. If I am mafia honestly the people I want dead from N0 are Protactinium and Aidnai. I tunneled him because I honestly believed he was scum. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 04:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: kavdragon is saying a lot of useless bullshit trying to appear protown and basically his posts are this: words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words words obviously no mafia would say THIS much "pro-town" stuff that everyone already knows amirite ;o???? i'm not buying it. you did this same thing in pokemafia which i hosted Kav was trying to help the newibes in the early game and as we had aready stated there was not much to discuss but generalities. Also notable that Dr.H calls on his experience as a host to try impress upon us how right he is.huh this is a basic meta read that same sentence written as "you did this same thing in pokemafia" would have made the same point, without pointing out how much of a "vet" you are I was pointing out I had a very vested interest in the game since I HOSTED it i knew very clearly everyones thought process and motivation as I was monitoring the scumteam in irc as they planned their strategy lol Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 05:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 05:01 Kavdragon wrote: On April 10 2011 04:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 03:15 GMarshal wrote: On April 10 2011 03:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 10 2011 02:44 TranceStorm wrote: Furthermore, since the pardoner/mayor knows who the bodyguards are, meaning that the mafia could hit those roles easier. This part gives the mafia more incentive to run as mayor than usual. The last thing they want is two town running around causing trouble, with no way to kill them. The fact that they are rewarded for running, but coming in second also gives them a nice bonus. The pardon ability is an awesome way to completely derail town focus when mafia is in a tough spot. I would feel real unwary having a pardoner around late game if I wasn't sure of his alignment. This means we should focus our attentions on people who run and on really analyzing the hell out of our mayor/pardoner. Also I think that the mayor's power is being understated, he has a triple vote, in the hands of scum that would be lethally dangerous, bringing lylo much, much closer than it should be. Personally I think we should only vote for players we think are probably town, because the idea of having one or both of those power roles in the hands of the mafia is pretty worrying. So yeah, let me state the obvious, make damn sure you are voting for pro town players, as these roles are pretty damn powerful. what happens if the mafia doesn't run Then we have a bunch of analysis that says "soandso" is town. Confirming townies is very useful as well. You seem to be working hard to put down my efforts, but the only thing I see you doing is encouraging spam, an putting down others. Why don't you put forth any of your ideas? because i dont feel the need to write paragraphs about useless shit saying basically: 1. the mayor is important! 2. the pardoner is also important 3. be careful who you vote for! 4. mafia may or may not run for mayor! 5. we should pressure inactive people! this is all obvious stuff. no one has said anything of value yet and because the game hasn't even started I haven't taken the time to scrutinize the game setup and come up with a plan for how I'm going to play this game or where I think the town should go. but that doesn't mean i can't smell your "look at me and how townie i'm acting!" bs right away more tunneling, oh joy, lets discard any value in night 0 discussion explaining to people how to play and put it down to trying to look pro-town When this comes up right away it's suspicious to me. It sets off red flags and I'm reminded of Radfield in Salem or Aidnai in ExMiMa Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: idk honestly if im mafia im thinking "lets not run and then try to keep all the pressure on the people who ran for mayor for a few days while we wreak havoc." even if a few lynches don't go that way, it's pretty easy to keep attention on the mayoral/pardoner candidates since they usually post a lot in the beginning and townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once so imo the mayor powers are not nearly as strong as the power to manipulate the towns focus by any means necessary that's just my take on it Here, I'll translate, "I dont want any suspicion cast on me if I run" and "No way scum would run, lol" right... the mafia team is just going to ignore the possibility of getting 3 more votes or the pardon in order to "keep attention on the mayor, pardoner" sure thing. then he has a series of posts where he basically uses one liners to criticizes every word out of kavs mouth. Then comes the assassin claim. Dr.H seems to be pretty happy to support him, as it "keeps the role out of mafia hands" I wont go into the discussion of the assassin again, but it *is* anti town to hand out the role to a third party out of fear I later realized this and changed my mind. Because at first I thought "This could really work out in our favor" then I realized it would be ideal to have an assassin pardoner instead. I still believe that would have been the best scenario. Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 13:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 13:55 tnkted wrote: On April 10 2011 13:54 chaoser wrote: This is a semi-open setup. Roles and their abilities will be disclosed, however role counts will not. Roles below may or may not be a part of this setup. Touche. Still, I think not having a medic would be pretty insane. more than likely: 2 medics 2 dts 1 vig 2 vets 2 nosy neighbors contributing without contributing, its easy to speculate on balance, watch "I bet there are 3 vigs, 3 vets, no medics and a dt" is this conformable? Does this help the town? No. not worth addressing it was relevant to the discussion at the time Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 13:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 10 2011 13:31 tnkted wrote: Yeah we better make this clear: when you vote, vote in both threads. that way we can see who voted for what. not voting in this thread will be considered a scumtell, so be careful. no its not a scumtell ill vote in the vote thread im not gonna waste my time posting all my votes in here especially since i tend to switch votes a lot this is dumb. there will be a dedicated vote thread. if you want to know who votes for who, you can read that thread. less clutter here = better do I even have to bother rebutting why allowing people to hide their voteswitches is bad? Oh wait this is the guy that benefited from people voting for him at the very last second with no in thread justification. never mind. and then he tunnels on Kav , I'm noticing a trend, 1 get tunnel kav, 2 get the assassin elected 3 tunnel kav somemore Show nested quote + On April 10 2011 14:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: im gonna run because i can only trust myself here is my "policy" mayor: -use my votes on whoever i think is scummiest not who the "town" tells me to vote for -lynch kavdragon on day 1 pardoner: -pardon whoever i think is getting lynched on a dumb bandwagon even if the rest of the town is pretty sure they are scum that's it also as far as the assassin game like i said we should post who we suspect of being an assassin so they dont kill townies but 90% of posts in this thread should be geared toward finding mafia so really i think this game should be kinda disregarded unless it becomes important later i have a bad reputation of getting too much attention in games though but i came pretty close to nailing the entire scumteam in salem and in insane mafia so i think i'll just get better every game vote 4 me I thought he was only going to run if he was mafia? Well lets deconstruction his campaign as well, I mean it can't be as bad as mine, right? Let me sum it up "I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want" well then thank god he didn't land pardoner. Well I'm sure glad that a player who says he isn't going to be held accountable for his actions landed the mayor. he then spends 2 pages arguing the meaning of FoS. His response to being told he was overly agressive over a small issue? "build a bridge and get over it" I applaud his building of town spirit. Wonderful work, *that* is how you encourage new players Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 02:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 01:28 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2011 01:18 Barundar wrote: Honestly Jackal, you want to leave our first lynch to be decided by a non-town player? We have a role in the pardoner that gives him the protection he needs to act as vigi for him, and pardoner is more of a mafia role than a town role anyways. He can have that, but mayor is too powerful to let a third party have. I agree that it's great to have a non-scum player in office, but it's not irrelevant that Protactinum has a different win condition. For Protactinum to win, he needs to prolong the game untill he have killed all the other assassins. If town is too far ahead, it will be in his interest to slow us down, and vice verca when scum is ahead. Since he will work against us when we are ahead, he will not win the game for us, no matter how great an analyst he is. His hands are basically tied on the lynch. He votes for who town puts forth or he gets lynched. He is in a lylo on day 1. If it gets to the point where we are that far ahead that he's a detriment to town we no longer need him anyways so again he's in a lylo. He is forced into being pro town or losing. this is exactly what the mafia wants btw a mayor who they can manipulate, force his votes to go the way they want to get him lynched (waste of town KP on a useless role like assassin and also ridding town of mayor). so being held accountable for your votes if you have three of them is being "manipulatable" right? Why did people vote for someone who said that he wasn't going to take responsibility for his actions with a powerful role again? Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 03:47 Coagulation wrote: On April 11 2011 03:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: GMarshal are you going to lynch kavdragon/mib if you're elected? PLease do On April 11 2011 03:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: th emayor should not consider what the town thinks or wants. nevermind im not gonna vote for you STFU DOCH bite me I dont think I need to comment on this, do I? then again he did say "townies who post a lot are likely to contradict themselves at least once" so I suppose he is cleared Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 03:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 03:51 redFF wrote: Yeah Doch seems to be posting a lot without really saying much, whilst being overly aggressive to people with little reasoning. FOS: DoctorHelvetica rofl these replies without answering the substance of an accusation always worry me, since its easy to say "lol" and not so easy to either justify your behavior or own up to your mistakes. however his later attitude towards the assassin and his reaction to pandians claims agree with mine, which is positive. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:11 Pandain wrote: On April 11 2011 05:09 Coagulation wrote: WE ARE NOT AIMING TO KILL ASSASSINS WE ARE AIMING TO KILL SCUM We're aiming to kill both. Why? Assasins have kp. Anything with a constant kp is bad for town as it increases the chance of civilian deaths. If Assasins fulfill they're role conditions that means those are 3 less people we have to worry about. wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong His debating skills know no bounds. Seriously when a serious argument is presented this is *not* the appropriate reply. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:13 Coagulation wrote: Why are people fucking not understanding this? I think this whole assassin debate is pretty much derailing us from hunting scum. Mafia are probably most inclined to support this assassin in mayor SHIT because #1 it doesnt endanger themselves and #2 they get the benefit of having town deal with fucking assassins all fucking game instead of IGNORING THEM LIKE WE SHOULD and hunting scum. Fuck Pandains prolly the fucking GF What kind of idiot town would claim DT DAY 1 ? WTF. pandain is a special kind of idiot well at least we can be a duo of reason trying to push the town onto scumhunting doctorhelvetica/coagulation '11?? I'm going to assume this was a joke post, because otherwise I have to question Dr.H's sanity, and that would be bad. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 05:26 chaoser wrote: On April 11 2011 05:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah me and coagulation are the most reasonable right now Objection! Alternative GMarshal/Chaoser 2011! We'll win the game AND get your Chinese Princess Back! gmarshal is wishy washy and you supported protact i'm obviously the best choice also my behavior is clearly the most pro-town anyone can see this my behavior is obviously pro town, "I will do whatever the fuck I want if I get the pardon", my behavior is obviously pro town, I think theres a disconnect here. Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 06:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the big tl;dr post where I explain all my thoughts I think I've done all the poking and prodding I can. We're in a sticky situation and we need to make the best of it. So I'll lay out my platform simply. -Protactinium should NOT be mayor. The mayor role is designed to be very helpful to either town/mafia depending on who gets it. Our goal is not to simply have non-scum as mayor, our goal is to have town as mayor. Why? More votes. Protactinium has no interest in who is lynched, he will simply vote the way the "town" wants him to so that he is not lynched himself. This is bad. Huh? Shouldn't the mayor use his votes the way the town wants? No, because the town is quite often wrong. Mafia will manipulate/split bandwagons and then try to influence the mayor to pad the lynch they want. The mayor should always vote for the person HE thinks is scum. The mayor should act autonomously and vote based on his own thoughts and instincts. An autonomous third party mayor is a terrible idea, an autonomous town-aligned mayor is not. -I'm okay with Protactinium being Pardoner. This will give him some protection and allow us to threaten him into using his DT check/kill power where we want it. The pardoner power is pretty insignificant compared to the mayoral power and I suppose we could make some use of him. As long as our focus is using proactinium to find scum NOT using him to find other assassins. -Pandain is stupid and bad. You should never roleclaim DT day 1 and he is essentially using his role to hold us hostage into voting for him. This makes perfect sense if he is godfather and it makes even more sense if he is on a scumteam with Protactinium. Unfortunately, DT is probably the most valuable town role and I really hate the idea of just letting him die. Pandain is a terrible scumhunter and is bad at almost every aspect of the game and the idea of him in a leadership position makes my skin crawl. I would be okay if he was pardoner and no one took him seriously/listened to him by accident. -This idea that you can't scumhunt on day 1 is retarded. That's my favorite bad point to make when I'm mafia. yeah the game is designed on the assumption that town mislynches on the first day. But we should all absolutely be focused on figuring out who is scum, who isn't. What is each persons motivation. WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY POSTING THIS. that's the question you should ask! Not: -what contradictions do they make (townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia) i'm gonna repeat that 100 times for emphasis: townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia townies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafiatownies contradict themselves as much if not more than mafia Okay. These are scenarios I am somewhat comfortable with: Mayor/Pardoner: Myself/Protactinium Gmarshal/Protacinium Gmarshal/Pandain Scenarios I prefer: Myself/Pandain Myself/Coagulation Myself/Gmarshal Gmarshal/Myself Gmarshal/Pandain Pandain might be the DT. Give him a worthless role like pardoner and watch him closely. I don't want to throw the DT away or waste medics on someone like him. Who I feel comfortable lynching and why: Kavdragon - His posts after role PMs were sent were designed to do two things. To seem as pro-town and helpful as possible and to contribute nothing at all. Lots of obvious "advice" and redundant bullshit. When called out he becomes defensive and tries to turn the tables on me. Not good. However kavdragon is a useful player if town, this is a risky lynch choice but I have a strong scum read on him. mib - Same deal. Tries to "contribute" but says nothing at all. Regurgitates talking points from previously in the thread and has a bad excuse to explain why that is. He's a new player and mostly inactive so lynching him should be no big loss if he's town anyway. So that's my thoughts. My plan is to have myself as mayor, I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. If bodyguards start dying, lynch pandain. He's an idiot so it won't be long before he fucks up if he faked his roleclaim, so I feel pretty safe about that. This one is juicy, lets dismantle it, point one about the assassin had already been made, time and time again, but its good he includes it here, I agree with him. His second post about electing an assassin to an anti-town role is downright bad if he didn't want the mayor to be in the hands of the assassin and wanted to avoid the assassin game entirly, then why is he proposing the assassin as a pardoner. I will not be held accountable for my votes is a little less pro-town then point one, I understand the "I'll vote for who I feel is scum" thats the duty of every townie mayor or not, what worries me is that he is setting out the groundwork for covering for a pardon with "I said I would be autonomous so I autonomously pardoned the guy you were convinced was scum, because I can" The fact that he would be ok with pandian in a protected position after his stupid claim and after having sustained that Pandian sucks makes me wtf. Dr.H seems to not want people to look for contradictions, which is interesting, I agree that townies often change their mind, thats the issue with imperfect information, but blatant contradictions on core issues are a sure sign of scum. "I will disregard everything the town says completely, and to have pandain as pardoner so if he is DT he doesn't die. " we go from pandian is probably lying and should be ignored to pandian is ok as pardoner, also I'm *still* going to ignore anything the town says. Also note how thought he refers to how "worthless" the pardoner role is, when in reality it is a strongly anti town role Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:02 OriginalName wrote: On April 11 2011 06:55 GMarshal wrote: Fuck, I had to decide to check the thread before leaving Kav, I think that your call that Dr.H is scum is flat out wrong, there's no way (in my mind) that the scum team would put out two vets like that day one, especially considering one of them is a really, really influential and powerful player. Still if you get mayor which of them do you think you would lynch? Tbh I have a town read on Dr.H for his mindless aggression, it reminds me sort of coag, except perhaps more refined. Why not? Refuge in audacity has its uses. While I will state that if DrH is not scum Protact is the assassin. DrH: What happens if Kav turns ou town after hes lynched D1? Protact: Why should we trust you to use your shots for town instead of backstabbing us? if he's town then i admit i was wrong and then we move on? it's very rare that anyone is correct in 100% of their scumreads and I'm exaggerating my sureness to provoke reactions. I'm about 70% on kav in favor of him being mafia, but of course there is a chance he's town. nothing is really sure in mafia. I wouldn't be terribly shocked if I was wrong. I feel better about mib, i'd rather lynch him and get protact in as pardoner and have him use his check on kav. already setting up the groundwork for "oops", and look, it *was* "oops" Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:52 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:49 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:39 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 07:34 Kavdragon wrote: On April 11 2011 07:29 The_Roist wrote: Other notes: My mafia.txt is filling up rather fast, you guys are kind of rude but it makes for an interesting game so I don't mind too much. but its maybe not the best first impression on real first timers... THIS DR.H. THIS is what I was talking about. I don't care if you have a plan. We are already looking at a huge inactives list. Thank god we have a few replacements, but for the love of the TLMafia community, stop being so negative! i'll kill your entire fucking family j/k I know that. I think I've done about as much damage as I can at this point so I'll slink into the shadows and try to play cool now. i like to shit it up on day 1 to see how people react so I get a better idea of where everyone really stands. The more unreasonable I get, the more unreasonable the mafia gets, but I think now is a good time to cut the act. Thanks! + Show Spoiler + I retract that if you continue I still think you're mafia by the way. This is by no means me kowtowing to you, but this aggressive behavior is no longer working in my favor and I'm sure the mafia have already caught on to what I'm trying to do. So you pressured me all that time, spammed that much, and still didn't get a read on me? W/e. If you're done with the agressive behavior, I'm done yelling at you for it. my read is mafia i had that read from the beginning i got some other reads yet that i need to consider more wholly later though, it wasn't fruitless Lol, sorry I meant the right read. Heh. that looks like I planned that now. w/e don't care. i don't think anyone will have the balls to lynch you day 1, even i don't, i'll wait until day 2 to make my case on you unless your tune changes right... ok... again with this "see I wasn't 100% sure, but I was *interdependent*" Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 14:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 11 2011 14:05 tnkted wrote: Ok I've been gone all day. Town. WTF. Where are all these emotional outbursts coming from? Almost all of the FoS's that have come out so far this game have been ridiculous, targeted at new players for not posting enough, or not reading properly, or acting like typical newbie players. DrH, some throwing accusations at people like they're candy. Read up, gather some information, and present it in a big large wall of text like everyone else does. Theres a reason we do it that way. Now, for newbies, you might not know who you should be listening to in this game if you're green (which you probably are since its your first game). You want to be listening to people with calm, levelheaded opinions, who have put a fair amount of thought and effort into their posts. You can tell these people by the amount that they post and the sheer quality of their posts. Spammers are generally not that helpful for analytic purposes. Here's my list of people that should be your role models, town or not town. This is how good mafia players behave in thread: Kita GM Protract ON Lanaia Kav myself () and urashimakt is doing pretty good too, for a newbie. There are a few other players that are doing well, but those 7 are the ones you should pay attention to when they post. Keep in mind that you should be reading their stuff with an open mind; feel free to challenge them where you think they are acting scummy, but rather then throw out an FoS (which is a fairly serious, formal accusation in this forum and is currently being abused to great extent) simply point out their scummy play. If you want to post an FoS make sure you've done your research; big posts with lots of quotes and analysis are what we're after. Putting effort into your posts is what makes you town. My analysis on Tracestorm is incoming. this is almost artistically scummy throwout some people who have contributed basically nothing (On/Lanaia), pad Kav's shitty arguments, make a big "come on guys can we all just get along and play well???" post that doesn't serve any purpose or contribute any analysis anyway you're on my shitlist and hopefully everyone can see how ridiculous this post is i'll still be lynching originalname though well, interesting thing with the ON lynch, huh? Also nice little accusation of tnkted, what did he flip again? Have you made a right call yet? Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 01:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 01:21 GMarshal wrote: So you guys want to lynch ON for information? You do realize that that is absolutely awful play, right? Think about it, this is DAY 1 people are flip flopping right and left, we are surrounded by new players, they behave erratically so any information that lynching ON "reveals" about them is worthless . Lynching ON proves nothing either way, about me or any other players. If you people want to lynch him because you think he is a red, then thats fine, but lynching for information day 1, with no clearly drawn lines, and not much to go on is terrible, terrible play. Come on people, lets lynch scum, not townies! This is a good point from Gmarshal. "Let's lynch for information" is something scum love to say, because really "information" is just a WIFOM scenario that they can push in whichever way they want. If ON turns up green/red that doesn't really give us that much relevant information. Mafia will often attack/accuse other mafia on day 1 and use confounding tactics to make sure they can not be discovered if a teammate is lynched. On April 11 2011 22:55 tnkted wrote: On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. Actually, Protract is the one that would give us the most information. ON is nowhere near a threat right now. Meanwhile, I am convinced that DrH is a horrible candidate for mayor. How many of the people that disagree with him has he targeted for a lynch? So far he's accused myself, Kav, Kita, and Potract of being scum. The only one he doesn't think is scum is GM and he's been taking Protract and other people's arguements to support that. He isn't running on a platform of substance, just one of accusing all the other candidates of scumming. And lynching ON won't clear up anything. Maybe he was just acting like he disagreed with you to prove that you're actually green when you're read? You have know idea exactly how devious the mafia can act in this game. Lynching ON won't prove anyone's greenness other than ONs. You need to be extremely careful with bandwagoning in this game. If nobody is disagreeing with you it means that mafia likes your idea, or is laying low because its late game and there are 6 people alive. Do not be sheep, newbies. I'd like to ask, what exactly is a platform of substance? It seems like your only goal here really is to discourage people from voting for me, even though you don't seem to think I'm scum. I have never accused Protactinium, you, or kita of being scum. Kavdragon/mib were the only two I made a real case for. Either you really misunderstood some things I said or you're putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. Which is it? My Thoughts OriginalName is still my top lynch candidate, but if I'm elected mayor I will re-read everybodies posting to make a decision. If I am elected and don't lynch OriginalName don't accuse me of "going back on my promises" or anything like that. I will lynch my top suspect no matter what, I will always vote for my top suspect, NO MATTER WHAT the "town" (a.k.a the mafia) wants me to do. But let's talk about this ON situation. If ON flips red, this is when you, the town aligned player, want to go through his posts. Who does he avoid talking to? Who does he defend? Does he ever attack/accuse someone in a way that seems fake? That's a good way to find potential teammates. From that list, go through all of their posts and try to analyse their behavior. Do they treat ON strangely? Are their posts scummy at all? AFTER YOU DO ALLLLLLLL OF THAT Go ahead and build a case. Otherwise keep your mouth shut. It does not "prove" Gmarshal is mafia or anyone else. If he flips green then it doesn't mean anything other than he played poorly, really. What it does mean that it is likely mafia aren't going to be outright opposing his lynch, maybe a couple will weakly, but by and large mafia will have no reason to try to stop him from being lynched. Keep that in mind, but don't run too far with that idea. If I'm offering any "substance" (whatever that means), it's a mayor who won't let the mafia pressure him into making bad decisions. I will analyse independently and vote based on my own conclusions, that's the safest way. Oh goodie, another long post! First of all he calls out my post as being good, which I have no comment on other than when Kav pointed out something as a good point Dr.H's reply was "no one cares" I do agree with his question of "what is a plataform of substance?" I thought I had one, but apparently posting why you would make a good mayor is anti-town. Oh look, he is already setting himself up to be able to lynch kav, nice to know he thought things out ahead of time. At least the town should have been able to figure out what was going to happen Also his "thoughts" boil down to what I said earlier, lynching ON proves absolutely nothing, one way or another. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I don't like the idea of a blue "list". Here is my advice: Detective - Investigate the person you most suspect of being scum. Medics - Protect the a person you believe to be town who you think might get hit (active scumhunters/people who hinted they might be blue) Trackers - Track inactive players. If they do something, read their posts and try to determine if they are quiet blues or scum. Watchers - Watch someone you believe to be town who you think might get hit. I'm not going to put out a list of names, use your own judgment. Don't rely on what others tell you, mafia will try to make you waste your abilities. I really dislike the direction GMarshal is taking right now. Vig Kitaman? Are you serious? See, the part about kita makes sense, that was the reactions I was fishing for, both from kita and form the players around him. I find that Dr.H's reasoning for not using a blue list for argument on the basis that the mafia can mislead you to be wrong. The point of a blue list is to open discussion on the topic and increase the power of the blues, if the medic part of the list contains 6 people then maifa will likely try to hit outside of it, increasing the effectiveness of the medics (since the list effectively protected 6 people). This proved slightly flawed as the mafia shot into my list last night. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Tunneling is not a bad thing. Tunneling is exactly how you should scumhunt. Focus down on one person, pressure them hard, force them to defend themselves until you're either more sure they are mafia or are satisfied. MiB's defense has neutered my suspicions slightly, but he's on my shitlist for sure. theres tunneling and theres tunneling, sustained aggression is not necessarily bad, irrationally tunneling is. with no attached explanation of why he goes from a ON lynch to a Kav lynch... interesting Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 08:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: yeah im feeling really bad about redFF right now but what purpose doeshe really have to tunnel ON and m0nsterchef so hard if he's mafia. his actions don't really make sense from either alignment to me (but I assume everyone is good, my main error) but he's made a lot of points I agree with so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. IMO redFF would make a great DT check. Here's one of the few times I'll give advice for blues in this game. DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS i accidentally hit enter woops DETECTIVES FUCKING READ THIS INSTEAD: Let's say you investigate your target and you get a hit! They're scum! Well, is it time to roleclaim and reveal your results? Hell fucking no it is not. If you do that you will die and now have no worth in the late game. But DrH! I can just request constant medic protection! And now the medics are busy protecting you and not someone else who is gonna get hit. If the mafia know for sure who medics will protect, it doesn't reduce their KP. You WANT the mafia to hit those targets, you WANT them to guess wrongly about where medics are going. Ok so what do you do with your result? Well go look at their posts. Go to their profile, go to their posts, and read fucking eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything they've posted. Come up with a case. Now you have the confidence to call them out, use their posts as evidence and support. Now take your case and sit on it for a while. Because some good townie (or another DT) will probably FoS that person. This is a great jumping off point for you to introduce your case. If there is already suspicion, let that suspicion grow, add fuel to the fire, then introduce your stronger points (the fact that they are scum is made much more obvious in your posting now that you have your check for confidence) and make a strong case during this aggression to nail the lynch. If YOU cold start the bandwagon and are really the only one making all these great points, the mafia is thinking "Well I guess we found our DT" and you're dead. If you're lucky you get medic protection but if the mafia is sure you're the DT I wouldn't be surprised if they doublestacked. I don't suggest using code/hints/breadcrumbs because the mafia can decipher this juuuuuuuuust as easily as the town can. In fact, they can decipher it better because they are in contact with each other. you know the generic advice he accused kav of posting. Yeah, this is an example of it. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 13:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 12:57 Coagulation wrote: LOL MAFIA PROCT LAST MINUTE BANDWAGON ISNT SO LAST MINUTE ANYMORE LOLZ Because he isn't mafia probably. Mafia has no real incentive, I don't think they want to see him as pardoner. His check could be really troublesome. I find it amusing that people think I'm scum simply because I pulled ahead after rationalizing my posting and making good points. So if the later switches from GMarshal to me scummy, aren't late switches from me to GMarshal scummy? Oh it isn't scummy. It's all WIFOM. People change their minds, peoples idea of best candidate will change. Let's focus scumhunting on how we actually catch scum: 1. Posting behavior 2. lynching scum -> hindsight analysis Please and thank you. when people are switching votes off of GM because of a "mafia bandwagon" in the first 24 hours of day 1 thats ok, no need to comment. When people suddenly start electing the assassin at the last minute thats not suspicious at all. Could say the same thing about the sudden switches back to you. It's all a bunch of WIFOM bullshit And then he lynches Kav, after kav requests to be lynched... Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:11 Foolishness wrote: If someone could find me a good picture of a facepalm I would be most grateful. The reward will include cookies. the reason i quit tl mafia is because of the two times me vs youngminii ended up in two townie deaths if that happens again i'll probably ragequit forever. i hate it when shit like this happens but I mean I guess it's the likely outcome. One of the bigger reasons I don't like the mayor position is it gives the mafia someone to blame for what is the most likely outcome anyway - lynching a townie on the first day. All we can do now is reevaluate whatever information we have. Playing the blame game isn't getting us anywhere. If your only reason for thinking I'm scum is I picked a non-mafia out of 40 people to lynch, then maybe you should keep it to yourself. Oh, no dont berate me for mis-lynching, I might just ragequit! forever! Goes hand in hand with "dont hold me accountable" and it seems to work too. No, I should be berated. I should not be called scum because I mislynched. Huge difference. I berated myself for that decision more than any of you ever will anyway. Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:14 OriginalName wrote: On April 12 2011 14:11 AirbladeOrange wrote: Is anyone besides Dr. H actually surprised? Not in tge slightest Extreme Finger of Suspicion: DocterHelvetica have any other reasons other than i picked a wrong lynch on day 1 like happens in 99% of games anyway? might as well get that out of the way before people make the mistake of paying attention to you any fingers of suspicion on me must be silenced! Although I agree ON failed to provide reasons Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:22 OriginalName wrote: On April 12 2011 14:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 12 2011 14:16 OriginalName wrote: On April 12 2011 14:14 Protactinium wrote: On April 12 2011 14:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh well, I don't know what the fuck he was thinking with his posting. Time to reevaluate and move on. This game is built on the assumption that a townie is lynched day 1 but this is a big confidence loss for me. But we're even more screwed if I get too upset about this. It is what it is. Dont worry man there'll be some good surprises for us. Let's get this game started. And I still believe you are innocent because mafia would never have dared attempt that in the first place. Anyone who suspects him for that flip should heavily consider that. Thats total WIFOM Mafia could expect that and go for a really ballsy move to kill off a very pro-town player WIFOM works both ways though. So it doesn't help your argument any. In fact all behavioral analysis is on some level WIFOM. I hate overuse of WIFOM because it discourages people from thinking. i hate WIFOM as much as the next guy but really when you kill somebody who made an arguement against you it doesnt help you much. Also im sorry for my conduct earlier Im kinda biased towards kav from Insane 2 and figured the two styles just didnt line up for me to consider him scum but I still shouldnt of raged like that. Im still on the fence about you but really dont go balls to the walls on what can be valuble town assets as mayor next time. I'm actually glad I didn't second guess myself. I was wrong but I've spent my entire "scumhunting" career never sticking to my guns and this kind of confidence is going to make me dangerous when I tighten my analysis up, I think. Since I know I'm town I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me. That is kind of the lynchpin of why I dislike Barundar's posting in this game. I sort of use it as a jjumping point, because I know the mafia want me out of this game. "I'm incredibly wary of anyone who goes out of their way to defame me." = I reserve the right to OMGUS anyone who questions my poor decisions. TL:DR: Dr.H got himself elected on a funky vote switch, killed a town analyst and continues to support an assassin. He is supporting a know liar rather than doing what is reasonable and ran for mayor with the worst possible role to get in office, which is *also* unprovable until he dies. Yeah, Dr.H is scum i didn't respond to all of this. all the point you make are really bad and honestly it just isn't worth my time. anyone who pays attention can see the points you are making are just poor. this is a shitty analysis. that's my defense if it isn't good enough for you sorry i'm done discussing this until there is a real bandwagon on me. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:42 GMT
#2503
On April 15 2011 10:38 Protactinium wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Saying this bullshit now instead of trying to help. Vote LSB. Protact agree's he's scum with me so why not kill this idiot now, have GMarshal check Coag and if GMarshal lies to save him then we can nab both. I disagree. LSB is town. Until Coagulation flips red. Coagulation is THE lynch target of the day. Don't split the vote by voting LSB, that will just let mafia come in and switch the vote to a random townie. Er you just called him scum a while ago | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:42 GMT
#2505
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:44 GMT
#2509
On April 15 2011 10:43 GMarshal wrote: Ok, I am going to try this one more time. What we know from today is pretty clear. FW has been caught lying of being a dt. His fake claim of his role was debunked and yet he is still being listened to. The general consensus is that he is indeed an assassin. Now. Why would an Assassin push to have someone killed? Because his only shot at winning is getting one lynched, and killing the other in the night. The person accused not only role claimed a blue role, He claimed a blue role easily proven. Now for clarifications sake, and to point out the massive stupidity of the people reading and going “coag is deff mafia, the assassin says so.” Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 09:08 Protactinium wrote: On April 15 2011 08:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You are not the DT. You don't know Coagulation is mafia. Please read my post. You're just ignoring logic and are building cases off of false assumptions. You were elected based on the premise that you think for yourself and don't sheep town. But clearly you are being tricked by GMarshal's and others' statements and have not taken a step back to evaluate the situation objectively. Let me prove it to you. Right now, you just stated 4 possibilities in your plan: On April 15 2011 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: DoctorHelvetica's Plan -GMarshal and the other (or if there are three all of them) check Coagulation on Night 2. -GMarshal announces his results. -If his results are incorrect, the other DT will claim and out him (and get medic protection that night) This is undeniably a winning scenario for town. Look at each scenario. GMarshal and Coagulation are SCUM. -GMarshal is forced to bus him. -If GMarshal lies about his claim to save Coagulation, the other DT calls him out and we lynch GMarshal and VIG HIT Coagulation. Netting a double scum kill. GMarshal is DT and Coagulation is scum -We lynch Coagulation and get a mafia kill. GMarshal is scum and Coagulation is blue -GMarshal is forced to lie and he will always lie that Coagulation is the veteran. -If Coagulation is actually a different green/blue role or an assassin the real DT will claim this and we lynch GMarshal. Both GMarshal and Coagulation are the roles they originally claimed. -We now have good information we can use to reevaluate Day 2 and we avoid wasting a lynch on Coag or Protactinium. However, there is 1 option you left out. Lets go with your stubborn assumption that I am not a DT, and that I in fact do not know Coagulation's role. If I am not DT, then you forgot the option that Coagulation is actually the Godfather. In this case, Scenario 1 would be false, and would work perfectly for the mafia. GMarshal would not be forced to bus him and will claim that Coagulation is a Vet. The other DTs will stay silent because they have no reason to believe that GMarshal is lying. Thus, Coagulation is saved for another day, town thinks he is "confirmed", and GMarshal is "proven" to be the DT. You did not consider this situation, which shows that you subconsciously believe my DT claim. I have already proven why GMarshal is blatantly lying about being DT. Please evaluate this situation objectively before jumping off a cliff in an attempt to be the town hero. You're trying to convolute things too much. The simplest answer is: I'm a DT, I checked Coagulation, and he is red. Now let us look at this very very carefully. FW has been caught lying. He has also shown to be tunneling a target (which is uncharacteristic of him). He also mentions the possibility of coag being the gf. Now. IF he was a dt, this option would never have to be described. He uses it as a convoluted method to attempt to prove himself. Why, if he was a dt, would he even describe the potential of coag being the gf? He would know for a fact. But you ask yourself, why would I mention this? because he uses the example to prove occams razor. ISSUE BEING. He has been caught lying and fake claiming. The simplest explanation per Occam's razor is that he is scum/assassin. Town has no reason to lie. Especially with a power role such as dt. If your still going "but but" think of it again. Since when would a "DT" in the hands of an experienced player such as FW create a convoluted plan that if he was not elected guarenteed he died. No matter what happens with this lynch, assassins are obligated to hit him. Town vigi's might hit him, mafia might hit him. No matter what, he dies. Who in their right mind, would operate on a plan thats only gain is to get in office. Factor in that he ran for Pardoner. A role that in the hands of an anti town player would lead to potential disaster. Now, normally with all this evidence stacked against someone, you would LaL policy. But since the consensus is that he is an assassin, he gets to live (seriously the fuck?) based on him dying at night. Ok say he dies in the night, that still makes me wonder. Why are we lynching the target of a liar? The target who's alignment can be easily proven by a dt/vig. If he's legit, mafia have to waste shots shooting a veteran, if hes mafia he dies. However, lynching based on the word of a known liar / word of an anti town is simply stupid. Now you would think this would lead to a day of scumhunting. Instead the people who are challenging this obviously anti town movement are viewed as scum. Are you guys seriously not following this? Step back and think this through. But now its too late for that. You have let a third party derail the thread for an entire day while getting no closer to actually lynching anyone. Its up to me to save you from yourselves again. I'm not going to allow a lynch led by anti-town forces go through. No chance in hell. If you persist in this you leave me no choice. You wanted an interdependent mayor and pardoner, you got them, if town persists with this stupidity I will pardon coag, and see the assassin flip tonight, when he flips black you will thank me. I've discovered I'm tired of fighting for sheep. Become wolves or let them devour you. YOU JUST VOTED FOR HIM EARLIER hey remember when you shat on anyone for even wanting to be pardoner because it was so clearly anti-town and it can only ever be anti-town "you leave me no choice" everyone is saying if you pardon you're dead so maybe you should reconsider. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:45 GMT
#2510
On April 15 2011 10:43 Lemonwalrus wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:42 Jackal58 wrote: On April 15 2011 10:38 Lemonwalrus wrote: If that is cheating, please modkill them, if you believe I have cheated in revealing this, modkill me. Only Proact is in the game. Non issue. No one is allowed to PM. This is 3 people communicating outside of the game. I believe that this is cheating. I won't play in a game where 3 vets are allowed to share an account. What an overwhelming advantage. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:49 GMT
#2517
DT for Vet is "saving the town"? Maybe it's saving your scumteam. If you pardon Coag's just getting vig'd and you're getting lynched. If you're doing this to "prove a point" you can hardly call yourself pro-town. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:52 GMT
#2520
maybe we'll just lynch you right now do you realize how dumb and senseless what you are saying right now is? The assassin wins if he kills the other assassins. Not if he lynches Coagulation. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:52 GMT
#2522
On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel it'll do none of those things | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:53 GMT
#2525
On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! YOUR POLICY WAS THAT THE PARDONER WAS ANTI-TOWN AND THAT THE PARDONER SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER USE HIS POWER AND IT IS INHERENTLY ANTI-TOWN YOU EVEN CALLED ME FUCKING SCUM BECAUSE YOU SAID "I WAS WILLING TO USE THE PARDONER POWER AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE TOWN" EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING THIS VERY SECOND policies and principles my ass | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:55 GMT
#2526
If it's multiple people on the same account I demand a modkill. IF BrownBear is allowing 3 vets to share and play on one account I'm just never gonna play in one of his games ever again | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:56 GMT
#2528
[QUOTE]On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote: [QUOTE]On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: [QUOTE]On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it.[/QUOTE] I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN![/QUOTE] Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel[/QUOTE] I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. []/QUOTE] then you should probably never run for mayor or play tl mafia ever again because you clearly don't understand how to play this game. lol you sit on your high horse "pardoner is anti-town. look at how scummy DrH is saying he will stick to his convictions and do what he thinks is right!" then you do exactly that even though it's obviously the wrong move. this is why i stopped playing mafia because of childish moves like this. get over yourself. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 01:57 GMT
#2530
On April 15 2011 10:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:55 GMarshal wrote: On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel I'm not willing to be reasonable about this. I am sticking to my guns, if it means I die then so fucking be it. See you in hell fw! I do not lynch on the words of someone who is anti town I do not follow a liar I will not allow the town to do the same while it is in my power to prevent it. This isn't about weather or not coag is scum, I dont give a damn if protac guessed right. This is about fighting for my principles And I will be damned, to the pits of hell, if I go back on my principles. then you should probably never run for mayor or play tl mafia ever again because you clearly don't understand how to play this game. lol you sit on your high horse "pardoner is anti-town. look at how scummy DrH is saying he will stick to his convictions and do what he thinks is right!" then you do exactly that even though it's obviously the wrong move. this is why i stopped playing mafia because of childish moves like this. get over yourself. EBWOP | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 02:04 GMT
#2540
so who's it gonna be? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 02:43 GMT
#2569
On April 15 2011 11:23 GMarshal wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 11:22 Protactinium wrote: On April 15 2011 11:16 GMarshal wrote: Because apparently I need to spell it out. These are principles that transcend this game. There are certain ways the town has to play to play well. There are reasons for LaL, and all my other policies, this isn't about the pardon being anti-town or not. This is about teaching you fools how town should play. If I have to die to prove the point that you are being stupid and playing badly then so be it. At least I will have played correctly. Sometimes its about more than just winning. How hypocritical! To you its all about winning. Pardoning is anti-town. That's a principle. Yet you're willing to break it. The reasons for LAL are usually bad. Just look at how you played in XXXVII. And now you decide you're the one who has the moral authority to teach town how to play? Lol. Although I guess since you're mafia I can accept this more as a "I want to win" rather than actual advice. Please try not to pass it off that way though. You'll give people the wrong impression. You will *not* talk to me about principle. Not you. Ugh get off your high horse please. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 03:01 GMT
#2583
On April 15 2011 12:00 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 11:58 DropBear wrote: Marshal you are on my scum team as well. Your sheep have jumped onto Coag as soon as the accusation came out. Noone seems to be listening to me at all. I am happy to change my Kenpachi vote to you if I can't convince anyone otherwise. LOL SCUM SLIP? -_- | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 03:03 GMT
#2587
"scum team" as in people he suspects of being scum. he's pretty obviously saying something to the effect of "you're on my list". don't be so desperate. gmarshal is getting lynched and not you anyway so why do you care | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 03:04 GMT
#2592
On April 15 2011 12:04 Serejai wrote: Are you guys serious? I finally find a post I can make a meaningful analysis on and you tell me it was a mistake? ~_~ Yes | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 03:10 GMT
#2600
On April 15 2011 12:04 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: that is not a scum slip "scum team" as in people he suspects of being scum. he's pretty obviously saying something to the effect of "you're on my list". don't be so desperate. gmarshal is getting lynched and not you anyway so why do you care Why do i care? Cause im looking for scum? Wtf are you thinking? You're not looking for scum you're just making noise. This is really bad play and you know that's an awful scumtell. You're experienced at this point, act like it. On April 15 2011 12:04 CubEdIn wrote: *measures Serejai's neck* This isn't mafia play, it's bad town play. I wouldn't be surprised if a vig targeted Serajai and he's worth a check/track but I don't think he's scum anyway. If I did, I'd advocate lynching somebody else instead. Serajai hasn't really posted in regards to anything, his lynch won't lead to a better situation for town on the next day whereas catching a scum like GMarshal/LSB would have a pretty severe domino effect. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 03:18 GMT
#2606
The last time I recall Coagulation being "outed" as scum by a DT check it was a situation in which it would have been even easier to call the DT a liar (insane mafia) and coagulation didn't defend himself as quickly, as well, or as emotionally as he did here. In fact he actually just kinda let it happen in that game. That's why I personally feel LSB is most likely scum. His "plan" revolves around coagulation being a blue to waste our vig hit. I think it's less about him trying to protect Coagulation than it is him trying to manipulate our suspicion of him in a way that hurts the town even more. IMO wasting a lynch on an assassin and wasting a vig hit is worse than lynching a non-contributing vet and letting the assassin die. WIFOM though, people change playstyles. Just a thought. If GMarshal flips blue, besides noting him down as never to be listened to again, I'd start to look less at the Coagulation and his little defense force. Not that this clears him by any means. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 04:04 GMT
#2623
On April 15 2011 12:52 DropBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 12:45 Kenpachi wrote: DropBear i wont argue with you. you're just new. I might be new but I still think you're scum. Kenpachi is the permanent "scummiest town player". Trust me this happens every game he is in and he has been lynched on day 1 many times and always flips town. Players like this are hard to analyse because of skill gap/meta so if they're getting lynched it should be near the end and they should be DT checked not lynched on behavioral analysis because their behavior is very difficult to read. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 04:14 GMT
#2634
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 04:54 GMT
#2647
On April 15 2011 13:54 Barundar wrote: So we are all switching to GM I presume? Do we get extra voting time? I think GM is already leading by a pretty huge margin. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 04:55 GMT
#2652
On April 15 2011 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 13:03 GMarshal wrote: Well, ladies and gentlemen, it was nice knowing you and I hope you have fun lynching me. tomorrow. Take this as a personal and very dear fuck you to the cheaters that ruined this game. You will not have your victory, I personally will not let you have it. My policy is fuck over cheaters and then worry about my win condition, screw LaL, screw survival. When people cheated the game stopped mattering. ##Pardon: AirbladeOrange. Goodnight, sweethearts, I hope the taste of victory snatched away from you is as bitter as the taste of having the game ruined is for me So what was this all about? He tried to pardon himself based on a loophole in the rhetoric of the pardoner description. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 04:59 GMT
#2661
On April 15 2011 13:58 Kenpachi wrote: thats pointless :< yeah fuck mods they don't need time to write posts | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:00 GMT
#2663
On April 15 2011 13:56 jaminz wrote: #Vote DoctorHelvetica it's a placeholder, yell at me if you want YELL YELL YELL | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:01 GMT
#2666
On April 15 2011 14:00 kitaman27 wrote: Guess that means the bodyguard identities are known to mafia. After the flip, DrH might as well post their identities so we have 2 confirmed townies and medic targets. Yeah wait for the flip and I absolutely will. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#2689
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:31 GMT
#2702
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#2720
MetalFace and The_Roist | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:43 GMT
#2724
watch bodyguards/medic DT LSB imo | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:48 GMT
#2730
On April 15 2011 14:47 Mig wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 14:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Vig hit coagulation watch bodyguards/medic DT LSB imo Vigs can't hit yet right? In the op it says they can't hit until after night 2. Show nested quote + VIGILANTE: You've had enough of all this bullshit. You have raided the armory and stole one (1) banhammer. That was all you could carry, cause these things are freakin' heavy, man! Of course, you're keeping this secret until you use it, because the instant someone realizes you have a banhammer they'll confiscate it from you. That said, you probably have just enough time to use it on someone once. Once during the game, after night 2 (gotta lay low for a bit and let it all blow over, man!), you may choose to visit one unlucky soul and introduce him to the business end of your new banhammer. I thinkt hat means the beginning of N2. It's standard protocol that vig's get their KP on n2 | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 05:52 GMT
#2733
On April 15 2011 14:51 Eiii wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 14:47 AirbladeOrange wrote: I agree with the assessment protac is almost certainly an assassin. The Gmarshal thing was really weird to me. Is this normal in games? Like someone else said it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He wanted me dead but just pardoned me to waste his pardon? Is that what happened? I have been suspicious of coag for a while now but I'm actually starting to not see him as scummy as I think most people do. GM was red and he defended coag a great deal even though he, himself, was under a lot of heat. A good mafia goon would not make it so obvious that another member of his team was red because of the high chance GM would die thus exposing coag as red. I would like others opinions on this one because they seem to know GM's play from previous games. As far as I can tell, he used his pardon on someone that wasn't him (since he's not allowed to pardon himself) but the rules say that using his pardon pardon whoever would be lynched that day cycle. Those two mechanics don't exactly match up, but the intent is obvious. He was just trying to exploit a loophole, the rest of his crazy ravings were just last-ditch attempts to keep town from lynching him. I've never seen someone get that nasty and actually mean what they say Anyway, the most interesting part of all of this is why GM put himself in that position in the first place-- there was pressure on coag that was getting a bit diverted by talks of a ON/LSB lynch and stuff, and suddenly he just comes out and says that he'll pardon coag. Suddenly, everyone's paying attention to him, he throws a fit so it looks like he's trying to get out of the lynch, and he flips red. Would scum really trade one for one like that? Was this just a huge mistake on GM's part? I'm really not sure what the explanation is. Yes, just absolutely terrible play. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:18 GMT
#2765
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:21 GMT
#2768
i could have got LSB killed or coagulation i could have done whatever but i kinda started the domino that got him killed. Oh well, at least you're sticking to your guns, I respect that in a sense. I'll just keep doing my thing. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:23 GMT
#2772
On April 15 2011 15:22 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 15:20 chaoser wrote: son, i was calling him out long before you came around Yeah but your stuff was shit! couldn't you tell mine my vastly superior? FTFY | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:25 GMT
#2773
On April 15 2011 15:23 bumatlarge wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 15:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: dude i switched the lynch onto gmarshal for no reason i could have got LSB killed or coagulation i could have done whatever but i kinda started the domino that got him killed. Oh well, at least you're sticking to your guns, I respect that in a sense. I'll just keep doing my thing. Hm you're right, I'd better ask Kav the townie's opinion on the matter. Oh wait. Is the lynchpin of your scum analysis on me the fact that I mislynched on day 1? Because obviously if I were town I would have caught a mafia no ifs ands or buts right? I tunneled him stupidly when I should have paid attention to what was right in front of my face. That's really no reason for me to set up a useless bus on GMarshal. If I bused him, we're pretty good actors considering I've been flaming him here and in IRC for the better half of tonight for his childish reaction. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:26 GMT
#2775
On April 15 2011 15:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I voted GM cause he threatened to pardon and that was more anti-town than whatever I thought about LSB. -_- I'm more disturbed that the mafia actually let him do that. Perhaps he didn't consult or Coagulation just begged him to do whatever it takes. Whatever it is they put on a nice little show. Could just be a distraction. I have a lot of WIFOM scenarios running through my head agh | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:26 GMT
#2776
On April 15 2011 15:26 chaoser wrote: don't worry DrH, I don't think you're scum and I have the most important opinion obviously | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:35 GMT
#2782
On April 15 2011 15:32 bumatlarge wrote: Mafia doesn't threaten to pardon a blue after he says he will never use the pardon. Coag is scum obviously, and needs a vig. No worries Dr. H, I'm not gonna send you to the chopping block anytime soon, but I you have a red tinted glow. It's matches your eyes. I've done jack shit on LSB, so whatever analyses people have on him would be cool. I'm gonna chill this night, so I can die happy if I do. I'll repost a better version of mine for you during the day. No need for big scum cases tonight. VIG COAGULATION | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:35 GMT
#2784
On April 15 2011 15:32 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + I'm more disturbed that the mafia actually let him do that. Perhaps he didn't consult or Coagulation just begged him to do whatever it takes. Whatever it is they put on a nice little show. He got frustrated by the Prot situation. That's the explanation for it. Mafia at that point must have been pissed as shit so he basically gave up. He wanted to leave the game and knew the easiest way to get out of the game in a legit manner was to threaten Pardon. Whatever, it's all speculation, let's put it behind us and win this off ANALYSIS. good idea! | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:35 GMT
#2787
On April 15 2011 15:35 Coagulation wrote: Guys We should lynch Milkyst I Might be 100% Sure hes scum this sounds more like the scum coagulation i know | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 06:36 GMT
#2788
On April 15 2011 15:35 Coagulation wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 15:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 15 2011 15:32 bumatlarge wrote: Mafia doesn't threaten to pardon a blue after he says he will never use the pardon. Coag is scum obviously, and needs a vig. No worries Dr. H, I'm not gonna send you to the chopping block anytime soon, but I you have a red tinted glow. It's matches your eyes. I've done jack shit on LSB, so whatever analyses people have on him would be cool. I'm gonna chill this night, so I can die happy if I do. I'll repost a better version of mine for you during the day. No need for big scum cases tonight. VIG COAGULATION THAT WONT WORK IM VET well we'll see about that after tonight | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 07:11 GMT
#2798
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 07:25 GMT
#2803
comforting because the only reason I had any confidence you might not be scum would be if -you continued your strange defense meta -gmarshal flipped dt vig hit coagulation vig hit coagulation | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 08:38 GMT
#2816
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:16 GMT
#2848
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:18 GMT
#2849
On April 16 2011 01:12 kitaman27 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 07:07 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 07:02 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 07:02 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:59 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: On April 15 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Wouldn't you rather lynch scum (other than coag), than an assassin? Who else is up for the lynch? Are you not going to bother looking and settle for black? Prot is probably mafia, I've already explained why it is very likely. In addition I don't believe that Metalface has enough on him to call him red. I guess I know why no one else found Metalface suspicious. This post from LSB hints to the fact that he probably knew Metal was clean and unlynchable. I'm willing to give Red, or whoever his replacement is, some degree of credibility for being the only other person that thought something was off with Metal. Bodyguards aren't unlynchable but it would be pretty retarded for mafia to push for their lynch. I think LSB is definitely mafia and I'm glad you posted this it only makes me more confident. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:25 GMT
#2851
On April 16 2011 02:23 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2011 02:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Serejai is definitely not mafia. If he is replaced I think he deserves a medic. Considering you thought GMarshal was definitely not mafia after his fake DT claim, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. He claimed blue outside the thread. It's not fair that I'm the only person who knows about it, but really I have a hard time not thinking he's blue in this game after reading these posts: On April 14 2011 06:08 Serejai wrote: Er, what's the difference? I thought the object of the game was to not let people get a read on you. If I posted normal then the mafia would probably figure out I'm a blue due to my inexperience in posting and murder me. On April 14 2011 07:39 Serejai wrote: Oh... I guess I didn't really think of it that way. I was trying to just follow other people's advice and do my role each night because I've been afraid to mis-analyze someone. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:26 GMT
#2852
On April 15 2011 10:51 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 10:50 GMarshal wrote: On April 15 2011 10:47 kitaman27 wrote: GMarshal, if you pardon, you are guaranteed to get lynched tomorrow. Don't even think about it. I'm not letting the assassin win. Hang me if you must. I ran on policy and principles. I will uphold those now. FIGHT FOR THE TOWN! Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel Find this post pretty interesting. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:33 GMT
#2854
i can be two people at once i think | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 17:39 GMT
#2856
On April 16 2011 02:37 GGQ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2011 02:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 16 2011 02:23 GGQ wrote: On April 16 2011 02:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Serejai is definitely not mafia. If he is replaced I think he deserves a medic. Considering you thought GMarshal was definitely not mafia after his fake DT claim, I'm going to take this with a grain of salt. He claimed blue outside the thread. It's not fair that I'm the only person who knows about it, but really I have a hard time not thinking he's blue in this game after reading these posts: On April 14 2011 06:08 Serejai wrote: Er, what's the difference? I thought the object of the game was to not let people get a read on you. If I posted normal then the mafia would probably figure out I'm a blue due to my inexperience in posting and murder me. On April 14 2011 07:39 Serejai wrote: Oh... I guess I didn't really think of it that way. I was trying to just follow other people's advice and do my role each night because I've been afraid to mis-analyze someone. Read his few posts where he's not acting like an idiot. He's not that stupid. Look how he's going out of his way to emphasize that he's blue, that he has a role, etc. I don't believe it for a second. I do simply because of how everyone reacted when I informed the mods of this potential cheating. Obviously, if he was red this would have been serious serious cheating but rather than having anything done about it he simply resigned out of frustration. This is getting a little bit too meta. But I think that this is just newbie slip. If his replacement acts incredibly scummy, I'd reconsider. It's worth a late DT check for confidence. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 18:17 GMT
#2859
You didn't really do much yesterday that I was aware of. You come out today just to criticize me and post thoughts on what blues to do, that hardly warrants medics imo. Yeah I made some bad calls but the flamewheel vs GGQ thing was complex and my plan involving forcing GGQ to use his check would have outed him/coagulation over the course of the night. I still think my analysis on LSB is good and lynching him would have flipped scum. I'm looking over my LSB analysis again and he could very well be assassin. His goal is more focused on hitting Protactinium than it is on saving Coagulation, but he does seem to be in agreeance with GMarshal. When he comes out to attack the pardon he does so very lightly but otherwise ignores GMarshal completely. That sets off a red alarm to me. I admit the kavdragon lynch was a shitty call. Although I don't really think I deserve a lot of criticism for the fact that I didn't hit red it was the fact that I ignored a better case because of my tunneling and that was poor decision making on my part. Regardless, GMarshal the scum pardoner is now dead, I undoubtedly had a role in that. And now hopefully a vig will hit coagulation and an assassin will hit LSB. One of the LSB/ilovejonn camp is certainly an assassin so I really suggest other assassins out there place a hit in that direction. This is the post that made me lean a bit toward black rather than red on LSB: Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel The goal here is to confirm himself (appeals to GMarshal by saying it'll confirm him too) and get rid of Flamewheel. Entirely possible this is part of a plan to fake a vig on Coagulation to save him, but looking at Coag's recent posts it seems he's pretty much being abandoned. Assassin's you have 3 KP. I'm 50/50 scum/assassin read on this guy. You have a pretty good shot with this and if he flips red and not black, I'm certainly not complaining. Watchers/medics whether you care about the bodyguards or not is up to you but I hope we can all agree on those two points: -An assassin should hit LSB -Coagulation should be vig'd | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 18:20 GMT
#2861
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 18:30 GMT
#2863
On April 16 2011 03:21 Jackal58 wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2011 03:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: The death of the bodyguards is not a good thing. I think the best bet is for the watchers to stick on BG's to deter mafia from hitting them while medics protect bigger town targets. Particularly bumatlarge. You didn't really do much yesterday that I was aware of. You come out today just to criticize me and post thoughts on what blues to do, that hardly warrants medics imo. Yeah I made some bad calls but the flamewheel vs GGQ thing was complex and my plan involving forcing GGQ to use his check would have outed him/coagulation over the course of the night. I still think my analysis on LSB is good and lynching him would have flipped scum. I'm looking over my LSB analysis again and he could very well be assassin. His goal is more focused on hitting Protactinium than it is on saving Coagulation, but he does seem to be in agreeance with GMarshal. When he comes out to attack the pardon he does so very lightly but otherwise ignores GMarshal completely. That sets off a red alarm to me. I admit the kavdragon lynch was a shitty call. Although I don't really think I deserve a lot of criticism for the fact that I didn't hit red it was the fact that I ignored a better case because of my tunneling and that was poor decision making on my part. Regardless, GMarshal the scum pardoner is now dead, I undoubtedly had a role in that. And now hopefully a vig will hit coagulation and an assassin will hit LSB. One of the LSB/ilovejonn camp is certainly an assassin so I really suggest other assassins out there place a hit in that direction. This is the post that made me lean a bit toward black rather than red on LSB: Don't pardon. Let coag die, it will green me and you, and red Flamewheel The goal here is to confirm himself (appeals to GMarshal by saying it'll confirm him too) and get rid of Flamewheel. Entirely possible this is part of a plan to fake a vig on Coagulation to save him, but looking at Coag's recent posts it seems he's pretty much being abandoned. Assassin's you have 3 KP. I'm 50/50 scum/assassin read on this guy. You have a pretty good shot with this and if he flips red and not black, I'm certainly not complaining. Watchers/medics whether you care about the bodyguards or not is up to you but I hope we can all agree on those two points: -An assassin should hit LSB -Coagulation should be vig'd Do you mean GMarshall??? yes : / | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 19:06 GMT
#2869
On April 16 2011 03:51 Coagulation wrote: So you guys wanna know whos gonna die tonight? you and lsb | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 21:02 GMT
#2892
dts should check someone on that list against the coag lynch we are getting close now. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 22:15 GMT
#2904
Assassins probably have a good black read on him by now. It's worth a shot. If he survives the night then we just lynch him. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 22:36 GMT
#2907
On April 16 2011 07:20 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + If the mafia or assassins choose to hit the same target as you, and they manage to kill them, they'll reach that target first (again, banhammers are heavy as shit), and you will retain the use of your banhammer. If they both hit the same target, vigis get their hit back. Might as well stack it cause if assassins hit we lose nothing. If we hit, heyo! Good idea. Yeah vigi's hit LSB then. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 22:55 GMT
#2910
The Case of LSB There are already many many analysis' of OriginalName and why he is scum. I will be focusing on how the scumminess continues as LSB replaced ON. On April 14 2011 04:38 LSB wrote: Night 1 Click me for larger size! I'm inclined to believe the fourth case, that Flamewheel is SK and realized after loosing the election he has to do something drastic to try to throw off the other SKs. As the same time though, I'd assume that SKs would have DT checked Flamewheel night 1 so it doesn't really matter in the first place. Note SK=Ninja/Assassin as it's easier to write. And because I didn't read the OP carefully enough before I made the picture This is his first immediate attempt to discredit Flamewheel. He also doesn't have a clear understanding of the rules but thats a WIFOM speculation. That's inconclusive information. On April 14 2011 04:49 LSB wrote: Correction! Lynch Flamewheel! It's a win win! The situation we are looking at is probably situation two. Flamewheel is Mafia, Coagulation is Town Why is this believable? Remember, Flamewheel is still alive today. This must mean that the SKs didn't shoot him. After all, the SKs have a large incentive to shoot Flamewheel, if they succeed they get their banhammer back. This is explained by Flamewheel posting that there are three ninjas. Sks didn't believe him so they didn't shoot him. But now why is he making these wild statements? Because he is mafia. Consider Flamewheels options if he really was DT. Day1, he wants to be mayor. Would you claim DT or Assassin? Obviously you'd claim DT. Although it might get you roleblocked, being an Assassin will also get your roleblocked. Day2, if he actually was DT and got a red check, would he publically claim in thread that he was DT? No! If he does so he's going to be hit night 3 and roleblocked. Instead he should just do the standard do lots and lots of analysis on Coagulation. Now think if he is mafia. Day1: How would he run for mayor? He doesn't have the 'name' that Gmarshal and Doc has because he is smurfing and the players here are relativity new. So he puts together a really convoluted claim. Day2: He knows his time is short so he tries his best to cause chaos before he is dead. TLDR: Flamewheel is not playing like a DT and therefore isn't one ##Vote: Flamewheel Here is his case to vote Flamewheel. This is all reliant on pretty bad analysis and a misunderstanding of the rules. When his entire case falls apart on the basis that "SK's can't use powers N1" he continues on. What does this mean? This mean LSB started with a goal or conclusion which is to get Flamewheel killed and looked for information to support it. This is the opposite manner in which town try to do analysis. Town analysis is starting with a hunch or information and coming to a conclusion which in turn becomes a goal. On April 14 2011 04:50 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 04:42 GGQ wrote: LSB, Assassin's couldnt use any powers night one, so if FW is black he couldnt check coagulation, and other assassins couldnt check him. Oh. That would explain alot if Flamewheel is black. Flamewheel needs to get medic protection any way possible, so he does analysis on someone and tries to find a red. Changing his case instantly without very much elaboration. The goal here is to get Flamewheel killed. He wants to lynch the assassin. This ONLY benefits LSB if LSB is: scum or assassin. On April 14 2011 05:04 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 04:57 ilovejonn wrote: Coagulation if you're playing pro-town, please come up with your analysis of who we SHOULD lynch instead. I know defending yourself is important but at least, like Kavdragon, post out all your thoughts when there is a high chance of you dying today. lol. Since when has Coagulation done analysis? Lynch Flamewheel. I don't see any benefit in keeping him alive "Coagulation isn't good so keep him alive and lynch flamewheel. There is no benefit in keeping him alive." Think about that last sentence and how markedly anti-town it is. The goal of this game is not for us to kill people that offer no benefit, it is to kill mafia players. Flamewheel is clearly not blue. We know this because he does not play like a DT. This is true for two reasons. 1) He claimed assassin instead of DT day 1. Either role will be roleblocked as mafia, and as DT he should have tried to stay away from the spotlight, instead of claimming a role that will results in three hits on him night 2 2) He claimed DT day 2 instead of simple analysis to push Coag. There is a reason why DTs don't publically claim day 2. Because the momement a DT claims, they will be roleblocked/night hit until they are dead. This means Flamewheel must be red or black. Lynch him On April 14 2011 05:11 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 05:08 ilovejonn wrote: I know he hasn't but wouldn't it be smart to put something out there instead of dying useless? I'm not saying Coag is going to die 100% but there's a high chance, especially if he's not mafia then mafia will probably try to put votes on him. Uhh... it's like trying to get Doc H to lynch a red, or Bill Murray to show respect, or Jackal to explain his actions. It's not happening. Wtf is up with the analysis on Coagulation anyways? From what I've read Coagulation is red because 1) Going against the campaign of a claimed black 2) Trying to not get someone he believes is green not lynched 3) And being his normal spammy and unhelpful Offers nothing here. Discredits me immediately, insulting the fact that I mislynched on Day 1 (as most mayors and the huge majority of towns do on Day 1 in mafia games), and then proceeds to offer a very very very poor defense of FW's Coag case. He completely disregards the possibility that FW could actually be the DT. Which at this time seems very likely. On April 14 2011 09:11 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 05:17 Robellicose wrote: LSB, I think you really need to reconsider this decision. Why are you pushing to lynch someone who I believe is extremely unlikely to be red? While my personal read is blue at the moment, a lot of people were convinced he was black (including me) before he claimed DT. If he's black, it's to the town's detriment if we lynch him, as we have lynched someone who will undoubtedly get assassinated if we don't protect them. Just wondering, why do you think he is blue? Imagine if you were the Detective. Would you claim? No, you would push coagulation's lynch in the background instead of outing yourself. In addition, why do you think Coagulation is red? Look through his other games, Coagulation has been playing consistent. However. I'm going to go with Kitaman27 here. Let Protactinium live, don't protect him, and kill him if he is still alive day 3 Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 08:57 chaoser wrote: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Who are you talking about? Sorry I don't keep up with times He changes his position to what it seems the town is doing. On April 14 2011 09:22 LSB wrote: I'll Split Aidnai's analysis of Rean into two portions, the first I agree with, the second I don't. I removed all the fluff. In the future, please remove all the fluff from your Point by Point analysis, I don't want to wade through lots of spam Show nested quote + On April 14 2011 07:36 aidnai wrote: On April 13 2011 07:08 Rean wrote: On April 11 2011 22:06 redFF wrote: If ON flips red it confirms basically everyone thought of as red so far as red. If he flips green(highly unlikely) Then it clears a shit ton of people and we have a few people who would look very red, myself included. I think ON is the lynch which would give us the most information, regardless of how he flips. I do not think that lynching a player for information is ever a good idea. We should lynch a player we think is red, and then gather the information we get as a result of that. OriginalName is nowhere near the top of my list of scum. What he's saying is that lynching ON might be a gamble, but it's one with a high reward. Either we kill him, he flips red and we've got a few red buddies to point out, or he flips green and then people like RedFF will start to be very red. A risk that might just be worth taking, unless there's another good option. Lynch for information, a risk worth taking... I want what this guy has been smoking. On April 13 2011 17:01 Rean wrote: On April 13 2011 15:35 Barundar wrote: Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot. Yeah, nice try. Except my first mafia game here was Death Factory (townie twin with RoL), second game Insane Mafia 2. As for the Coagulation affair: looking through all of his previous posts, two things really stand out above all: he is extremely paranoid of Prot becoming mayor, freaking out whenever it seems likely that he's being elected only to continue lurking once the threat dies down. Secondly, he has another classic "100% town guys dw had town read all along" read a la Lemonwalrus on GMarshal, despite the fact that alot of people have being pointing out how scummy GMarshal has been all along. I don't know, but I doubt anyone not mafia buddy's with him would trust their reads this much when alot of others are doubting him. Then again, that's what I thought in Insane Mafia 2 aswell and look how that turned out >.> If I had to guess right now, i'd say that both Coagulation and GMarshal are red. Protactinium: I honestly don't fucking know if you're assassin or DT, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. Being a veteran player you could've easily made that read as a assassin. Right now i'd say we lynch Coagulation and if he flips red, medic Prot. If he flips green (doubtful) Prot dies. This is where it gets juicy again: a) he once again dodges the activity/trolling issue b) HE THINKS COAG IS SCUMMY FOR REJECTING PROTACT FOR MAYOR DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS c) throwing FOS around at coag/gmarshal d) DOESN'T KNOW/CARE IF PROT IS AN ASSASSIN, BUT STILL CALLS FOR MEDIC ON HIM DING DING DING TWICE IN ONE POST. Thanks for making it easy Rean + Show Spoiler + Stuff I don't agree with On April 11 2011 08:21 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + I told you: if elected, I am an invincible double-shot vigilante. How are vigilantes generally used? You kill people who are very predominantly Mafia, and that's what I'm going to do. Being that I have my own excellentlucky hunches to back up my analysis, as well as a Detective check, you can bet that I'll be shooting Mafia, and I'm going to obviously be calling out my shots. Vigilantes generally confirm themselves in other games by breadcrumbing shots, and I have no need for such subtlety. yeah right you're gonna kill mafia while they actually help you by possibly killing a asassin, giving up your night-actions in the progress Show nested quote + Reiterating what I said above, I'm shooting anti-town targets, predominantly Mafia at first then moving into Assassins later on. If hits overlap, traditionally Mafia takes precedence. Yet again, that's a waste of KP for them. And if they hit Veterans, then obviously the Vet speaks up like normal, saying he took a shot in the night. YEAAAAAAAAAAH, right, you're gonna ignore your own win conditions because you're such a nice person keep trying, you're pretty amusing. One of the quickest and most dismissive responses to protact. Doesn't mean he's scum yet, but in combo with his later acceptance of protact is completely damning. On April 12 2011 07:32 Rean wrote: Placeholder vote on DrH right now, seems to be the best candidate although i'd ask to tone down thew aggresiveness a bit. As for who to lynch: Pandain seems to be a safe bet, his fakeclaim DT is completely retarded and even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him. THIS POST IS IMPORTANT! "even if he's town he's not helping so we might aswell kill him." Absolutely a scumtell. Especially since, seeing the night kills, we know mafia believed the claim more than the retraction. Townies facepalmed or ridiculed pandain, they didn't call for his lynch. On April 11 2011 19:20 Rean wrote: I'm starting to think that the third assasin not Prot or Eiii is laughing his ass off. Both his adversary's have been revealed and with Prot's campaign failing, he has this in the bag, A good thing for town aswell, the quicker these assasins gtfo out of the game the less chance they accidentally kill a townie. not-so-subtley suggesting that eiii is assassin, which I think was unfounded (but maybe not it's not important to my case). On April 12 2011 08:15 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 08:09 Serejai wrote: Also I don't understand how to use my role's abilities... am I allowed to PM a mod for help with this? Meapak says it's okay to pm the host: [01:14] <+Meapak> FUCK [01:14] <+Meapak> redff [01:14] <+Meapak> dude [01:14] <+Meapak> I'm at 1499 posts [01:14] <+Meapak> I can't post [01:14] <+GGQ> i keep accidentally missing my milestone posts [01:14] <+Meapak> just tell him that he can PM the hosts Apparently he's in irc with GGQ zzz... On April 12 2011 23:06 Rean wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2011 22:52 DropBear wrote: Pandain have you died or something? Also Rean. You have approximately double the posts in Insane2, a completed game, than you have here since day 1 started. What's so boring about our game? I'm trying out this new scum strategy: lurk really hardcore and only respond every once every 8 or so hours with meaningless posts, while simultaniously posting a ton in another mafia thread, so i can avoid any suspicion. If anyone accuses me: ignore it. Is it working? Responds to a legitimate point by blowing it off and trolling. 1) His response time shows he's actively reading this thread (responded within 10 minutes) 2) His thread presence in Insane 2 shows his 'normal' activity level 3) His thread presence in this game shows??? and yet all he does for the next several posts is claim mafia -_- Why would a mafia do this? well, the main reason I think would be to be able to ask 'why would a mafia do this?' while at the same time COMPLETELY DODGING THE QUESTION. This game is definitely not boring, there's no excuse for his activity level. Still I don't see it as being too damming. They are just little things, like lynching for information, throwing out FOS. Trying to get people to protect FW doesn't mean that he's necessarily scum. Of course, if FW flips red Rean is going to be in hot water, but Rean's support for FW is based on the fact that FW is a vet. I have a neutral read on Rean, however I'd rather lynch Rean over Coagulation. Defends Rean. Doesn't go out of his way to seem like he's really defending "I have a neutral read" he says. Why go through the effort of dissecting a PBP for a neutral read? Indirect defense of Coagulation here. On April 14 2011 10:47 LSB wrote: Can we lynch Flamewheel now? What happened to letting him live? On April 15 2011 06:58 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + On April 15 2011 06:53 kitaman27 wrote: On April 15 2011 06:52 LSB wrote: Happy birthday Protactinium! And on a somewhat related note, lets lynch him. I've already explained why he's been lying over and over. I have no idea why people are trying to lynch coag. Why do you keep arguing for lyching Prot. Why waste a lynch when the assassins can take care of him tonight? Cause Coag is a vet, and I'd rather lynch a Assassin over a vet. Assuredness here. Coag IS a vet. That's scum confidence I'll just leave it at that to avoid a tl;dr situation. Vig hit LSB tonight. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 23:24 GMT
#2912
On April 16 2011 08:05 chaoser wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204956¤tpage=112#2224 FoS is too mainstream for me sorry | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 15 2011 23:40 GMT
#2914
On April 16 2011 08:26 Rean wrote: can someone point me out to where we started believing flamewheel to be the dt? people keep saying it but he even claimed coag to be red when he was the godfather Oh, I just forgot that detail when I said that. no need to medic FW in that case. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 00:12 GMT
#2918
If scum think they can split the town between GMarshal's plan and LSB's plan they save Coag either way and none of them die. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 00:46 GMT
#2925
On April 16 2011 09:41 Rean wrote: I know that, i'm trying to convince our vigilantes (if we even have any left after Pandain's shenanigans) that LSB should be left to die to our assassins. There's other scum to be killed like aidnai or Lemonwalrus. If the assassins hit LSB/and vigi's do too they vigi's get their hit back. It's really just insurance. I think DT"s should check aidnai/LW. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 05:05 GMT
#2961
That was a really dirty cheat by Serejai. Was that a modkill? Congratulations eii! | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 05:25 GMT
#2983
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 05:29 GMT
#2987
On April 16 2011 14:28 urashimakt wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2011 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote: At least mafia KP got reduced. If DT's got a red result time to make your case. If trackers/watchers found something now is a good time to come forth. KP didn't go down tonight. Show nested quote + Original Message From BrownBear: 1) Just framed. They're pretty blind, sadly 2) Mafia KP is number of mafia/2 rounded up. The only mafia roles in the game, and their powers are in the role list. If you're wondering about roleblocking, it does not cost KP to use. Hope that helps Original Message From urashimakt: I didn't want to ask these in the thread since it might give people reason to suspect my role before the game starts, but: 1) When a Nosy Neighbor witnesses a murder, do they get any information (i.e. killer's identity) or are they just "framed" to any trackers/watchers paying attention? 2) How is the Mafia's KP calculated each night and do they have the option of spending it on anything other than hits? They had 6 people tonight, divide by 2 and round up is 3 KP. Now they have 5 people. Divide by 2 and round up = 3 KP. Oh, that's correct. Derp. I'm so out of it. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 05:38 GMT
#2992
On April 16 2011 14:32 Mig wrote: Wait what sense does it make that barundar was roleblocked again? If we assume they only have 1 roleblock since only 1 person claimed night one why would they not use it on m0nster who claimed tracker? There was no counterclaim. Risky for mafia to do that when the real person they roleblocked can just say "hey thats bs" Although choosing not to use roleblock N1 for that kind of play could be strong. But considering it seems they had decent blue snipes that night I don't think they would have withheld it for something like that. But hey i've been wrong about everything in this game so far except gmarshal and coag | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 05:42 GMT
#2995
On April 16 2011 14:41 ilovejonn wrote: I called Serejai being scum didn't I? Nooooo he's new. = = He cheated and he did it in a thread I made. The fact that he wasn't modkilled is the problem but that can wait for a postgame discussion. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 06:46 GMT
#3023
On April 16 2011 15:42 chaoser wrote: Can we please get a mod kill on Milkyst? He has posted a grand total of once and didn't even vote Day 2 Show nested quote + On April 11 2011 21:18 Milkyst wrote: And that's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm voting for redFF. He wants people to be lynched, been talking alot of trash as well throughout the thread. He's also wanting to urge the townies to vote for one of these three... little bit suspicious if you ask me. ^----only post this entire game apparently modkills are a non-factor in this game for cheating or not following the rules | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 06:50 GMT
#3025
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 16 2011 06:52 GMT
#3029
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 17 2011 19:43 GMT
#3119
On April 17 2011 22:18 Conversion wrote: Also, is DocH busy? He hasn't been contributing much aside from one liners recently. very | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 18 2011 05:24 GMT
#3168
2 roleblockers? | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 05:03 GMT
#3175
On April 18 2011 15:22 Barundar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so should we kill barundar then 2 roleblockers? Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1. If there was a host mistake I hope they own up to it. I see no reason not to lynch you. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 05:25 GMT
#3185
On April 19 2011 14:07 Barundar wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2011 14:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On April 18 2011 15:22 Barundar wrote: On April 18 2011 14:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so should we kill barundar then 2 roleblockers? Unless there was a mistake from the hosts. Im not stupid enough to fakeclaim roleblock and trade myself 1 for 1. If there was a host mistake I hope they own up to it. I see no reason not to lynch you. Already asked. There was no mistake. 2 roleblockers. can brownbear confirm this | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 05:25 GMT
#3186
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 05:59 GMT
#3190
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 06:04 GMT
#3193
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 19 2011 06:22 GMT
#3195
bumatlarge can't be totally ruled out, that's all I'm saying. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 21 2011 07:36 GMT
#3356
On April 21 2011 13:14 DropBear wrote: MR MAYOR You know this guy is dodgy. Help me out here. I just made a rookie mistake and I'm getting shat on for it. I will be catching up on the thread tomorrow. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 21 2011 07:36 GMT
#3357
i thought the day ended tomorrow sweet deal | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 21 2011 10:17 GMT
#3360
On April 21 2011 17:51 Barundar wrote: Since there isn’t much to talk about during night, I thought I would run some numbers. 8. Kenpachi 9. ilovejonn 11.chaoser 15.TranceStorm 18.urashimakt 22.The_Roist 23.kitaman27 24.Lanaia//bumatlarge 25.jaminz 26.DarthThienAn 27.DoctorHelvetica 29.AirbladeOrange 30.MetalFace 31.Barundar 33.redFF//Zorkmid 39.Conversion 16 players remaining total. 3 mafia. This is the worst case scenario, with no medic saves and only mislynches: Night 4: 13 vs 3 – current situation Day 5: 11 vs 3 - Mislynch Night 5: 10 vs 3 Day 6: 8 vs 3 – MYLO if DrH is mafia Night 6: 7 vs 3 Day 7: 5 vs 3 - LYLO if DrH is dead/lieing about being a veteran Night 7: 4 vs 3 Day 8: 2 vs 3 – LYLO if DrH is veteran. What this means is: Basicly if DrH is town, mafia have to gun for him. Otherwise he is able to win the game alone. All the mafia has been pretty confident about their chances though, so I’m a little worried here. If we mislynch tomorrow, we can effectively mislynch DrH at no cost for extra information. If we hit 1 more mafia, town KP=mafia KP, making our odds pretty good. In that case we could lynch DrH to get 2 extra days in case he is mafia. Thoughts? no | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 22 2011 23:12 GMT
#3394
On April 23 2011 06:28 AirbladeOrange wrote: Here's what I'm thinking right now: I feel like mafia's best strategy would be taking out the bodyguards then Doc. H because of his voting power this late in the game. Both people we think to be bodyguards as is Dr. H. Are the mafia just banking on Doc. H. screwing this up? Are they just playing poorly? Maybe I'm wrong here. I would really like to hear from some experienced players as I'm getting suspicious Dr. H. is just playing us. His play has been much different from the beginning of the game to now. He was just spamming shit in the beginning. He made some early calls that were bad, which is easy to overlook when the game is in its early stages. However, he repaired his image with good analysis and hunting. But now he is more inactive than our inactive list. It's tough to know what to make of it and I want to hear what other people think about this. I'm still most likely going to be voting for conversion at this point as I did before. He has done nothing to ease the suspicion of him from before. And now it seems like he has given up. Frustrated, poor-posting townie or frustrated scum? I'm going with frustrated scum. Maybe he's afraid the more he says the more trouble he will get himself into. I'm not really sure. Mafia are now on limited KP and going after bodyguards who may be watched/protected is not the best play. If I'm mafia at this point my goal is to: 1. avoid detection at all costs 2. start hitting inactive/newb townies to guarantee kills. All they have to do is get me to vote the wrong way to neutralize my votes, if they have 1 active player to do that then they're in a good position as far as the mayor is concerned. So we just have to be careful about that kind of manipulation happening. At this point I feel like the mafia have given up in town and are really just trying to avoid being caught while doing as much as they can with their KP. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 22 2011 23:14 GMT
#3396
So I could very well by dead on the next night. Honestly can we take a look at Barundar? From the beginning he's been going after me (on day 1) and now he wants the town to lynch me. He immediately claimed roleblocking when i highly doubt there are 2. Was anyone roleblocked last night? I don't think so. The natural conclusion: he is mafia lying about it. He said BB confirmed there were 2 to him (something a mod really can't do). It'd be ridiculous to lynch anyone else in my mind. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 22 2011 23:16 GMT
#3397
On April 23 2011 08:13 jaminz wrote: Ok, after the events of last night, I feel like I have to reveal this. I'm a Watcher and I saw AirbladeOrange visit kitaman last night. He was the only person to visit kitaman, and as kitaman was killed last night we know for sure that Airblade is Mafia He's trying to get us to kill the bodyguards & Dr. H because that takes pressure off the mafia. I know this will probably mean I'll be a target for the next night, but I don't want Airblade & the rest of the mafia taking this game over. Ok, fair enough. This is really odd though. GMarshal really tried to push a lynch on AirbladeOrange. 3 watchers? This is a really stupid claim if you're mafia though, so lynching AO is still our best play. If the mafia are trying to buy a day so they can get me killed tomorrow night, it's still not gonna win them the game. Lynch AO today, lynch Barundar tomorrow. If AO flips green/blue, lynch jaminz. | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 22 2011 23:33 GMT
#3400
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 23 2011 00:03 GMT
#3412
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 23 2011 01:20 GMT
#3422
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 23 2011 06:50 GMT
#3429
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 23 2011 18:15 GMT
#3439
On April 24 2011 01:15 AirbladeOrange wrote: So why am I the only one claiming role block? because you're mafia and the roleblocker is dead and you're faking it to be consistent with your scumbuddy barundar's claims | ||
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 23 2011 19:21 GMT
#3442
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 24 2011 04:59 GMT
#3517
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
April 24 2011 05:00 GMT
#3518
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