By the way, mafia DON'T want prot in office. That's one less chance of them getting a red into office, which is what they actually want. And for the black to offer his KP and check to town makes it even less likely mafia would want black in office. Thus everyone saying no, whether they're actually town or not, needs to be given a look at later.
Especially Mig, sorry bro. He's been very wishy washy:
After all the other assassins are eliminated protactinium would just leave the game right? So if he managed to eliminate the other assassins early we could lose the chance to have a powerful town mayor for the rest of the game.
Goes from hinting prot isn't a good pick.
I do think making an assassin the mayor would turn the other assassins against the town but they are still extremely limited in what they can do since they only have 3 kills to use. But the 2nd point doesn't make any sense at all. What motive could the assassin possibly have to tell the mafia who the body guards were? The assassin would need to protect his bodyguards just as much as anyone. As long as his body guards are alive hes free to hunt the other assassins without there being any threat to his well being.
To being ambiguous about it. Basically he says "Assassins might attack town so maybe we shouldn't vote Prot. But maybe it's ok since they only have 3 kills each to use."
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members.
good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said
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I wasn't trying to repeat what others said I was typing the posts up at the same time. You can see my other post where I basically said the exact same thing as you went up at the same time.
If my posts are just saying nothing then I don't have any defense against that haha. I am just adding points I thought were valid.
So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions
Who is your #1 town read? Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read? Who is your favorite Starcraft Player?
On April 10 2011 14:58 GMarshal wrote: Because as far as I can tell you are playing to your usual town meta.
However if you are bored I can give you questions
Between all the mayor candidates, which do you think is most likely scum (Assuming they are running) ?
Name 2 players who you expected to see more action from who are not posting as much as you think they should
Favorite SC BW map?
lol last time you thought I was town you were wrong =P
Kav is probably most scummy out of you me and kav. Kita's is a throw away campaign. I think you should be mayor, I can be pardoner and we can lead the town into an era of prosperity. I'd rather I be pardoner but I love balls to the wall play and having a black in office and taking up a spot for sure instead of a red is appealing so he'd be a third place runner after me in my book.
I want ON and Tackster to speak up.
ON because he came in, said some throwaway stuff, voted you and then didn't say anything else. Even though just moments before Prot did his balls to the wall claim. ON hasn't said a single thing. Whether that's cause he's busy or cause he's afraid of commenting on it cause he's mafia and needs to consult his team is up in the air. I'mma keep a close watch on him all game.
Tackster because he posted well in insane II and I hope to see more of the same. He's on the other side of the world so I understand time differences would cause him to not be posting right now.
Wuthering Heights because it used the Twilight template and also because it's named after the saddest book I've ever read.
You've repeated this point in a later post, so I'll take the liberty of not responding to that one. For this one, I've already dropped a couple hints responding to GMarshal as to who I actually am. Once you figure out who I am, then you can judge if I'm qualified as a leader/analyst.
I remember who you are now =P. Ok, i'm willing to give up my spot for yous.
You've repeated this point in a later post, so I'll take the liberty of not responding to that one. For this one, I've already dropped a couple hints responding to GMarshal as to who I actually am. Once you figure out who I am, then you can judge if I'm qualified as a leader/analyst.
I remember who you are now =P. Ok, i'm willing to give up my spot for yous.
##vote Protacinium
To clarify, he is both a decent leader and analyst.
On April 10 2011 13:24 GMarshal wrote: Protactinium I applaude your ballsy move, I however hate to have to condemn you to a painful death, since not having a townie as mayor hurts us, frankly the mayor and pardoner roles are extremely strong and we need them in the hands of the town. Also as an assassin you are likely to want to aim the lynch at other assasins.
I offer you a counter deal, you put your kp/DT check at the service of the town and we will have medics protect you. Is as good as being the mayor, but it dosn't cost the town those roles.
Still kudos for your balls of steel in making that claim
I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet.
I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins.
Go read the rest of it -_-. He wants to have fun, not wins ASAP. Probably be banned in any other part of the forum for saying something like that lol. And also that's a horribly anti-town thing to say.
On April 10 2011 16:28 GMarshal wrote: Sorry Protactinium but despite the fact that you make compelling arguments and are a great player, its an undeniable fact that you have a non-town win condition, and I dont think you'll be using all your powers to further our win.
If town wants you as pardoner, then there is nothing I can do to stop them, obviously, but for the record my previous argument that if we elect you we have no means of controlling you other than wasting a lynch still stands.
I don't want to make you die night one. but I will not vote for someone who I think does not have the towns best interests at heart, sorry.
That's debatable though. To vote into office someone who is not that great at leading/analyzing would mean bad things for town too. Like we had previously discussed, a leader/analyst would be the best choice to vote into office. And prot can do that. Just look at his massive info filled post just now, clearly he is able to do it.
While his win condition is different from ours it doesn't mean that it is against ours. In fact it has some overlap. There's no reason for prot to go "out of control" so there's no real reason for us to "control him". For him to go out of control is for him to fuck his win condition out the window and lose so he'll be playing protown. He's pretty much running on the same platform everyone else is running on "I'll be pro-town" except he is 99% transparent. He already talked about the reason why playing pro-town black is better than playing pro-red black. I wish I had pm so we could sort out the logic a bit better but I really see almost no problems with electing prot. They would be negligible at best.
On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: Unless you actively lynch Assassins (who most likely are going to either keep quiet or try to act overly pro-town) or they are killed by Mafia, I don't complete my mission objective. I don't really care how long it takes: there are 40 people in this game with no extra Mafia KP and no hatters.
Ladies and gents, this is why I am not voting for Protactinium. Should he be elected, the longer he stays in office the more desperate the other assassins will get. They have incentive to kill the bodyguards. What incentive does he have to do anything to help us? We're his shield. It's in his interest to stay til the end and the longer he stays in the more likely townies will die unnecessarily.
I am much more comfortable voting for someone who is useful AND pro-town like chaoser or GMarshal. The back and forth between Kavdragon and DocH is suss and I don't trust either of them enough.
I think it's been covered but assassins acting desperate won't help them win. They have incentive to kill bodyguards yes, but shooting indiscriminately into town isn't going to net them bodyguard kills. It's a 40 man game. They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to kill bodyguards which they don't know who is? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know how they are.
On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: I forgot to highlight the bit saying unless you actively lynch assassins, he doesn't win. Basically, he wants us to lynch assassin's for him.
On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet.
I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins.
Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow.
He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him. Just like how any other player would be dealt with. If a mayor was red and playing anti-town, we lynch. If it was a green who was elected and he was plying subpar and anti-town, we'd lynch. We basically treat everyone who's in a mayor position in the same way. At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green.
On April 10 2011 17:05 DropBear wrote: I forgot to highlight the bit saying unless you actively lynch assassins, he doesn't win. Basically, he wants us to lynch assassin's for him.
On April 10 2011 16:06 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:02 Protactinium wrote: I don't need to and I don't care to lynch other Assassins. I shoot them at night with my last bullet.
I stopped reading here. The assassin, whose goal is the kill other assassins, is trying to tell us he doesn't want to lynch assassins.
Good point by Kita. You are going to direct lynches at them, yes you are not. There is pretty blatant contradiction here. More thoughts to follow.
He does win, he doesn't need to lynch assassins to win, he just needs them to all be dead. Whether that's from his own KP, mafia's KP or lynch, doesn't matter. The moment we think he's not playing "pro-town" we can lynch him.
What's to stop him from blackmailing town with the identities of the bodyguards once we decide the time has come? Or maybe the identity of the medic/dt? He certainly wouldn't go down without a fight, plus that's a lynch we should be using on scum, not black.
On April 10 2011 17:11 chaoser wrote: At least he brings two KP and a check to the table. He has no real reason to go against town. There's no way he'll win the assassin game by day 2, not even close. At most he'll win late game. I say we give him pardoner, use his sexy sexy brain and KP/check powers and profit. It'd then be in the mafia's best interest to take out black so that the assassin game can end early and Prot is whisked off. That's good for town cause then they need to focus on black, not green.
Shooting scum does not further his win condition. If he shoots, its going to be because he thinks he is hitting an assassin. He brought up a good point earlier. If town wins, he loses. Why are you defending him so much?
Because once he blackmails he's lost the game. It's game over for him. He won't be able to win the assassin game cause we'll lynch him the next day. What's the point of doing something that is akin to fucking your own win condition out the window? He has no reason to help black just as he has no inherent reason to help town. But he's making a call and saying, I will help town. It's already been explained that black playing pro-town is a better game plan then to play pro-red. It's been proven in a few games too where black ended up selling his services to help town in return for protection/checks.
Shooting scum doesn't further his win condition, yes. But becoming protected by bodyguards does. He can't be killed till the BGs die. In return he'll give town control over two of his KP and his check. You think town is going to win from two KP and a check and then he screws himself over? Please. Most likely he'll be close to winning by mid-late game at the earliest.
Why am I defending him so much? Why do you ask? Let's think about the choices:
1) I'm black - lawl, why would black help black get into office, no 2) I'm red - lawl, why would I cut my team's chances of getting into office by letting a black into office, especially one that says he'll give town 2 KP and a check who can also prove himself since he can't be roleblocked, no 3) I'm green and I can see the inherent positives that he brings to the table and that the negatives are negligible at best given all the other risks we are taking with other candidates. At least his platform has more substance than anyone else out there that is pretty much "PLEASE BELIEVE ME!! I'M TOWN!" - ding ding ding
You are either black, red, or stupid town. You can pick.
As I said, the longer it takes for him to win, the more likely bodyguards or randoms townies get killed by the other assassins. With this many players there are likely to be a few as well. Much higher chance of crossfire.
They have 3 KP a piece, 1 of which has to be used on an assassin. So really they all have 2 KP apiece to use whichever way they feel like. Aside from hunting other assassins, you really think they're all going to be trying to randomly kill bodyguards which they don't know? If anything they'll try to kill each other off first, hope mafia hits bodyguards and then when all the bodyguards are dead, shoot Prot. There's no reason for them to throw their KP away trying to kill BG when they don't know who they are.
There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do.
On April 11 2011 03:59 chaoser wrote: There's no way Prot is mafia btw. He says he has 2 KP and a check. He can't be roleblocked. He either does it or he doesn't. No way mafia would claim assassin to be sent into office only to be proven he can't do the things he says he can do.
Are you sure assassins can't be roleblocked? I went back and double checked that and I can't confirm it.
Mayor and Pardoners can't be roleblocked
They will protect you, making you immune to night actions OF ANY KIND until after they both are dead (any actions placed on you while a Bodyguard is alive will be ignored). You are not immune to lynching.
On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum.
Why do mafia want an assassin in office again? Mafia want mafia in office. A Mafia as mayor is effectively pushing up LYLO 3 days. They don't want a black to clog up a space that they want to take. They can't communicate with him via PMs to tell him what to do.They can't control him as well as town can because they can't kill him with KP if he decides to say fuck you to them. They barely gain anything from having a black in office.
On April 11 2011 04:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: There's no hidden roles, are there?
I don't think so
This is a semi-open setup. Roles and their abilities will be disclosed, however role counts will not. Roles below may or may not be a part of this setup. Likewise, Mafia numbers are disclosed, but number of Mafia roles are not. Number of Assassins is not disclosed to anyone except the Assassins
On April 11 2011 04:03 kitaman27 wrote: It should also be noted that mafia wants an assassin in office. Think about all the unnecessary distraction and chaos it would cause. Focus will be put on whether or not to lynch our pardoner when he starts acting up, rather than hunting scum.
Scum want scum in office. Either townie or assassin is a detriment to them. Assassins don't want an assassin in office. They would prefer scum over townie. Townies don't want scum in office. Townies want non scum in office. Doesn't matter to me if it's an assassin or a townie. I just think their is a higher probability of truth in the assassins claim than any of the other candidates.
so i can see you don't really have the towns best interest in mind. noted.
Bullshit. If you took a minute to stop swinging your dick around you'd see more than a spray of smegma.
You're either assassin or scum. I'm leaning towards assassin.
EPT
