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Marshal and Dr. H both being mafia? I don't know how plausible that is but it could really throw us for a loop and is something we should keep in mind. I know I don't have sound examples for this but all the major candidates seem to be good players and it could easily throw newer players like myself off. I just wanted to let everyone know I'm trying to think about this and this is what's on my mind.
Instead of fear mongering, why don't you tell us why you think either of them is scum?
My preference is town mayor and Protac pardoner, but I don't want to plant my vote on a third party in case something crazy happens while I sleep. If kita was actually running for mayor he would be my pick, since unlike GM I find Kita has actively been trying to push inactives and question people.
I have to vote before I go to bed, so GM I'd like to hear who you anticipate on lynching if you get voted in. DrH is still (probably) ON?
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It's so quiet...
##Vote GMarshal
Don't disappoint me, lynch an inactive/lurker please.
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Let's day one lynch one of the best analysts in the game on day 1 because he post too much advice! Ooops sry guis, lol!
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Perfect, more lambs to the slaughter.
Pro town drh would not be so quick to lynch off every active player in this game. I wonder how long it will take town to see that 
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I posted why DrH was playing his mafia style earlier, and that's when he decided to change his playstyle and post helpful generic advice. He has been condemning kav and myself simply as scum, with no analysis. He even went as far as lynching kav day 1. I simply don't believe he would be this bad as town.
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For medic prot someone please protect coagulation. He is clearly town this game, and put up a fight against a retarded lynch.
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On April 12 2011 16:09 bumatlarge wrote:
My apologies at the moment chaoser. I shouldn't baselessly accuse you by association. I will finish reading the thread now.
Kitaman, Barundar and coagulation are town. Yes?
I most certainly am, and I believe GM is too. He has posted tons of stupid shit, but nothing I would call anti town. I disagreed with the majority of his reads, but that's entirely normal for him. Kita would have been my pick for mayor if he had actually made a real campaign instead of the pardoner campaign.
Chaoser could just be a townie misguided by DrH's scare campaign, there must be plenty of them voting for him. Besides he is contributing.
Now, here is who I would have lynched: Conversion
He has barely posted all day. He asked for advice as to DrH's town meta. His reason for voting DrH is just hilarious:
On April 12 2011 09:33 Conversion wrote:
Well, I'll be frank. I don't like DocH. He comes off right off the bat as an asshole that was acting aggressively to draw responses, as some of you have stated (kav in particular) in your posts.
However, I am not going to let something so trivial deter my vote. He also taught me something, albeit small, most of you attempting to help have not by pointing out that my defense was not very town-like. I'm very confident that, after reading Doc's posts, DocH is green.
Though I disagree with his first lynch (kav), I feel like a more experienced townie in a mayor position would be more beneficial. I have not been able to read his past games- and no one answered my questions- so I'll take the word from a few of you that DocH actually does have an aggressive town meta in a few of his games.
With that said,
##vote DoctorHelvetica
He votes for DrH albeit "he doesn't like him". He blames his vote on a general opinion, trying to undermine his own credibility. This is a requiring theme from him:
On April 12 2011 12:32 Conversion wrote:
Didn't most town want proct as pardoner?
Unvoted and voted proct. hoping for some kind of vote switch before day ends...
He gets called out on the post regarding DrH and decides to switch. Again he blames his vote on general town opinion. Typical mafia who need other peoples reasons to justify their actions.
On April 12 2011 13:00 Conversion wrote:
Why would mafia bandwagon a nonscum, or assassin, to pardoner? Someone explain this to me?
More questioning to belittle his own influence.
All his posts screams: pay no attention to me, I'm just a quiet person who wants to further towns wishes. Lurker at best and mafia at worst.
DT check please.
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On April 12 2011 20:00 Conversion wrote:
I'm fine with a DT check waste on me with anything. You'll get a townie read and, unless for some retarded reason you think mafia will make me godfather, no other information.
Yes I played rather poorly, but are you aeriously accusing me of being scum? Maybe I was too wishy washy with the way I voted, saying that I had the town's best interest, but whatever floats your boat.
I was only trying to benefit town with what I read in this shitstorm of a thread.
Damn right you where wishy washy, you don't "like" DrH, and you don't think Kav is a good lynch, yet you vote for him. That's how scum tries to justify an action they know is anti town. You have provided nothing to the town so far, and have been voting after "towns" wishes over individual opinion. I'd be very suprised if you turn out anything but red.
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On April 12 2011 23:34 CubEdIn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 23:25 Jackal58 wrote:On April 12 2011 22:38 CubEdIn wrote:On April 12 2011 18:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Tackster is most likely scum too. Or whoever replaces him.
Ummm... about that... The clues all point to you man. Did you replace Tack? Sorry if there was a post. I missed it. Not yet, but BB asked and I said yes, I'm guessing I will when he gets back online. Quite curious myself.
So you haven't gotten your role PM yet? Just want to know if what you say is relevant for analysis.
And can people PLEASE put a [ spoiler] [ /spoiler] around big posts if they want to quote them. It's annoying to scroll down for ages to get to one line of content.
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I was roleblocked last night.
Reading up on thread. God I hoped pandain was just green  .
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On April 13 2011 14:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Note who didn't get hit:
bumatlarge
chaoser
kitaman27
jackal58
aidnai
redFF
all potential power players or people who had very strong opinions/cases on day 1 that avoided death during the night. hopefully DT's got a hit last night and there will be a strong push for a good lynch today based off that. I would think any of these people would make great investigation targets.
Surprised at the choice of darmousseh, otherwise I'm not that shocked at the hit choice. If I'm mafia I'm thinking I want to take out big town talkers though.
Don't wanna WIFOM about it too much, but anyone who was a "big town target" that didn't get hit (there were no missed hits) is worth an analysis and a dt check.
I'm actually quite relived that scum decided to blue snipe instead of hunting active players. It means they are helping us dealing with the inactives.
We should in my opinion avoid focus day 2 on killing our elected players, no matter how scummy they might look. It's the easiest way to have the town blow up itself, and quite frankly it's not unusual for me to suspect the "town leader" of being scum and being wrong about it. We have a bunch of people laying low, and neither of them is it.
Aidnai I'd love to hear your suspects and why. Same for you GGQ.
My top suspects:
Jaminez, you where very active in haunted mafia as green, I expect more of you if you are town. Looking forward to your posts.
Rean was quite active as a blue in insane mafia 2, and was inactive (and got modkilled for it) as scum in mafia 36. Now he is inactive again, and he is trolling to boot.
Conversion is still my favorite lynch target. Pressure vote.
##Vote: Conversion
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Oh dramaz!
First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim.
It seems all too convenient to me that he would
A) Fake claim assassin over DT
B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office.
C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2.
I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response.
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On April 13 2011 16:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:08 Protactinium wrote:On April 13 2011 15:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Today on the shitter I thought "flamewheel is either assassin or detective making some ballsy play"
however i don't believe you are bad enough to DT claim day 2 on a check, I mean really? that's textbook shit. This pandain stuff sounds like mumbo jumbo you made up after the fact.
Here's what I think. I think you're the assassin. I think you came to the same conclusion as me:
Coagulation and Kitaman27 are the other two assasins.
You think you can win very quickly, if coagulation is lynched and you burn your hit on Kitaman27. I'm not convinced. This is just very odd behavior and I wouldn't expect this from a player like you of all people.
I'll look back on coagulations posts and crosscheck with your analysis tomorrow. Still working on homework tonight but I'm skeptical right off the bat. Please elaborate more on your DT gambit ESPECIALLY why you decided to claim?
Why not simply make a case? Everyone believed you were trying to help town as the assassin? Why not just say "look coagulation is probably mafia here is my case as to why" and get the lynch onto him? As I see it you have a huge incentive to see Coag dead if you got the same read on him I did and you are indeed the assassin : / It's illogical not to claim. Do you really think that in a game without PMs and in a situation where I'm going to get shot tomorrow night by Assassins I'm not going to tell the town that I've found a red? I have to claim at this point. Otherwise I'm just going to get shot by Asssassins during Night 2, and there's your best blue down the drain. There's honestly nothing else to it: I either claim and prove myself by having Coagulation lynched, thus drawing Medic protection so that I can continue searching, or I die to Assassins Night 2. As to why Coagulation is red, and not black, look again at the Kavdragon issue. Look at how much he was spamming the thread, trying to up his townie cred before it went through. Remember, conveniently after you as Mayor was finalized and you made your announcement that you would lynch him he went silent, only coming out to flame and taunt afterward. An Assassin would have no reason to try to prevent the Kavdragon lynch, and have no reason to taunt you post-lynch anyway, as that just draws suspicion. An Assassin would be more than willing to point out reds since that builds him townie cred and possibly gets him medic protection, which he sorely wants. Coagulation has been really hesitant to point out reds. Combine that with the Kavdragon situation and it's highly unlikely that Coagulation is black. If I were Assassin and Coagulation is lynched and turns up Assassin then I still don't have a chance of winning. If he's not red, that means I obviously didn't rolecheck. I'll still proceed to get shot the next night since there's no way in hell BrownBear would put only two Assassins in a 40 person game. Works for me. Everyone should be voting for Coagulation. No getting around this one.
Rofl ok let's waste a full day on this shit. Still looking forward to coags reply.
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What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum.
As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing.
Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote.
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On April 13 2011 16:51 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 15:57 Barundar wrote:
Oh dramaz!
First of all we knew protac was going to do something drastic to not get killed tonight. Personally I'm not buying the whole "it was safer for me to claim assassin than DT", claiming assassin is painting a huge target on his back. The reason people jumped on Pandain was because of his plan of a non-town mayor, and because his sole platform was the DT claim. We saw from Protac's campaign that he was quite capable of making a case for himself more than just his role claim.
It seems all too convenient to me that he would
A) Fake claim assassin over DT
B) Find mafia in the first go when he doesn't get elected into office.
C) Roleclaims instead of building a case, on day 2.
I found Coag to be one of the most pro town players, quite unlike the analysis provided by our "DT". That said, I'm looking forward to Coags response. Like I said, claiming DT doesn't work. But I find it interesting how you say that it's "convenient" that I found Mafia in the first go when I didn't get elected to office. I am easily the best player in this game. Yet you seem to think that the Mafia are hiding well. I'm sure you didn't want to let that slip, did you? As to your third part, I roleclaimed while building a case, which is something you've either blatantly ignored or didn't notice. Obviously, you didn't read any of my case on Coagulation, did you? Didn't think so. We have Coag's response now. He's blowing up and getting desperate, so you can honestly just give up. Your defense of him is laughably transparent. Coagulation is nowhere near being pro-town. Why do you think that?
Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try
I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green.
But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip.
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On April 13 2011 17:14 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 16:46 Barundar wrote:
What this really comes down to is that protact and coag can't be on the same team. One of them is lieing. Congrats to us, we are getting us a scum.
As for who of them to kill first, I'm going to go with my read on coag, which has been pro town so far, despite what protact has written. Protact is writing a long story to explain his actions, and I'm going to go with the simplest explanation: He has been lieing and is now throwing another gambit to avoid dieing.
Both the simplest explanation and my read points away from coag being scum, that's how I will vote. Explain exactly how Coagulation has been pro-town so far? I think you're just making stuff up out of thin air here. Either way, if he truly is town, then why do you want to lynch me? It's obvious that if Coagulation is not red when he flips, I'm dead. Lynching me is a sorry excuse to save Coagulation.
I didn't say I would want to lynch you? We could just let you die to assassins. My problem is we have to spend a day on this instead of scumhunting and pressuring people.
The thing that speaks for lynching coag is that if he flips red, it clears you. The problem with just letting you die to assassins is it doesn't say anything of coag's alignment. If you flip assassin, you would have just thrown coags name out there as a gambit, and coag could still be either town or mafia.
I found coag was holding back as well, and I honestly have a problem with a veteran role trying to hide.
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On April 13 2011 17:41 Protactinium wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:06 Barundar wrote:Lol now "It's convenient that you find scum in first go when it's the only way you could survive" translates into "scum is hiding well"? Nice try I like how you keep blowing your own trumpet. I read your case, and your main point is he only defended kavdragon before the lynch was sent in, and that he couldn't point to who he wanted to instead. I didn't specify which lurker I wanted killed myself either, but like coag I got pretty fucking pissed off when I woke up and saw Kavdragon had flipped green. But what it really comes down to is not both of you can be town. One of you is lieing. It's beneficial to trade scum for town 1 for 1, so town wins in any case. Whats up to town to decide is whether we use a lynch on one of you, or just let you die to assassins and lynch coag depending on what you flip. You miss the point. Why would you find it convenient that I found scum? I'm flamewheel. I'm known for catching scum. This should come as no surprise to you. But since it apparently has, it's clear that you're hiding something. You apparently didn't read my whole case. It contains a lot more than you just said right now. But don't worry, we don't need your vote. There are 35 other votes to go around. You miss another point. As people have pointed out, its impossible for me to be Mafia. So why would you lynch me? And since if I'm wrong about Coagulation, the assassins will shoot me, there's even less reason to lynch me! You seem intent on saving Coagulation even if it's for one day. Why wait to see what I flip before lynching Coagulation? It's not like Coagulation is actually a good player...
It's annoying that you are a post of mine behind.
I'll admit that more and more speaks for lynching coag and decide on you during night.
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On April 13 2011 17:48 ilovejonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 17:45 Coagulation wrote:
at least when i flip he will be exposed AS A LIER.
hey flamewheel MARK MY WORDS YOUR FUCKED AT FLIP.
Why do you need to keep stressing this? Blacks will hit him during the night if you're green/blue. Also to people saying this is disrupting us from scum hunting... wtf? Who says you can't scum hunt as well as discuss our current lynch target?
Guess you are talking about me? Because the most effective form of pressure is votes. When the lynch is already decided there is no real pressure on anyone else. This shouldn't stop us from lynching scum though.
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On April 13 2011 17:52 Coagulation wrote:
why are you gonna listen to someone who has already PROVED he has no problems MANIPULATING AND LYING TO TOWN.
My problem is that I can't find a scenario where flamewheel can be mafia. And if he is assassin, he only has this one chance of trying to survive by guessing on a red, and he picks you. He is an experienced player, and of all the possibilities he chose you. This means there is a pretty good reason to lynch you, whether he is an assassin or DT.
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On April 13 2011 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 18:38 Coagulation wrote:
Fuck that thats stupid as fuck
DONT WASTE A FUCKING MED ON HIM. LET HIM DIE. I'm not saying "medics protect him" Can you calm the fuck down and turn off caps lock? This is all based on the assumption that there are TWO assassins and Flamewheel strongly believes you (over the much more black acting kitaman27) are the second assassin. You should be trying to convince HIM that you aren't the assassin, not US that you aren't scum. In fact, if you are so sure that he is the assassin and this is his gamble why have you not done that? You're preaching to the wrong choir here if you really think about it. Of course if you're mafia you have no reason to try to convince him. You'd know he was the detective you'd know he was right and you'd KNOW the only angle you can take is spreading distrust of HIM amongst the TOWN. If you were TOWN trying to avoid being lynched by a fake claim by the assassin I would hope you'd realize he's acting in his own self interest and would certainly spare you/admit his lie if you could convince him you were not the assassin and that he could survive Night 2.
You scum hunting by guessing on the numbers of veterans and assassins in the game is making my brain hurt. Same when Rean comes and say Coag should die, no matter if Flamewheel is assassin or not.
Glad we have another 2 days to figure this out.
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