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On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there.
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On April 15 2011 14:56 Barundar wrote:
Well if you want to WIFOM medic lists, BG's are first priority protection, but chaoser is almost guaranteed town at this point...
(I know I said that about coag yesterday, but hey!)
Just wanted to WIFOM if there were both medics and watchers on BGs like whoever was proposing. If we just do medics, then medics can just do BGs. Chaoser is a good choice though, too.
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but chaoser is almost guaranteed town at this point...
Have I...have I obtained it?? The GOD HAND?!?
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And yeah, I can't see any reason to suspect chaoser based on what we currently know, he would be a good target for any sort of protective/tracker/watcher ability.
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On April 15 2011 14:58 Lemonwalrus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there.
im going to call it.
tnkted
Robellicose
LSB
Coag
Latrommi
ilovejonn
RedFF
yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there.
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On April 15 2011 15:02 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 14:58 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there. im going to call it. tnkted Robellicose LSB Coag Latrommi ilovejonn RedFF yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there.
And you incidentally.
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On April 15 2011 15:03 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 15:02 Kenpachi wrote:On April 15 2011 14:58 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there. im going to call it. tnkted Robellicose LSB Coag Latrommi ilovejonn RedFF yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there. And you incidentally.
lololololol please tell me why your arguement is valid and maybe ill respond to you.
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United States4714 Posts
tnkted was already killed as a townie kenpachi haha
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On April 15 2011 15:02 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 14:58 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there. im going to call it. tnkted Robellicose LSB Coag Latrommi ilovejonn RedFF yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there.
you've yet to say why you think i am mafia. OMGUS FOS KENPACHI. i can do this too yo
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Red's post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2011 14:54 redFF wrote:So we suspect LSB as scum right? I think enough of a case has been made against him and ON before him. So assuming all goes well and LSB and coag get vigid, I propose we lynch MigShow nested quote +On April 10 2011 15:13 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's just shit everyone else said, sounds like you're regurgitating the points strong players have made to make yourself sound agreeable somehow. if you were typing up that small post at the same time we already went through all that then you're the worlds slowest typist I am really slow. On April 10 2011 14:51 GMarshal wrote:
So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions
Who is your #1 town read?
Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read?
Who is your favorite Starcraft Player? #1 town read you- a lot of people vouched they could tell if you were mafia. If you were all mafia I don't think they would put themselves out there backing you because if you did end up being mafia it could be traced right back to all of them so I assume their opinions are genuine. #2 kavdragon but only because I didn't agree with his points about the assassin. I don't have any other real analysis. #3 for bw it was mondragon for sc2 jinro I guess I am playing pretty terribly so far regardless of what I am. All I can say is this is my first time playing and I was genuinely trying to help. As the game goes on and I learn I will provide better analysis. Look who is questioning him. Look who his number one town read is... Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote:
It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him.
The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me.
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. repeating pro town stuff that had already been said tons of times yo. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 06:09 Mig wrote:
A couple things since Dr.H is still saying I am mafia. It's incorrect to say all I I am trying to do is repeat pro town comments.
I believe there are only 2 posts where this could be argued. The first one I made on p27 I basically said exactly what Dr.H did but I posted it at almost the exact same time as him because I was typing it up at the same time.
The 2nd post that could look suspicious was on the top of p28. In that post I made 2 points that hadn't been mentioned previously. That A) if we were worried about prot not doing what we tell him if he becomes mayor we can control him with the medics. If we just give him medic protection then hes basically held hostage by us since if he doesn't do exactly what we want we can just not protect him and we don't lose anything. B) that its still a risk to use medics on him since we don't know the actual role numbers and the assassins may outnumber our medics to where we can't possibly protect him.
Someone said I was wishy washy for listing both points but I was trying to discuss what our optimal play was so I listed the pros and cons as I saw them, I still gave my opinion that it was too risky to use our medics on him.
I want to add I think it is suspicious how Dr.H is playing. It's in the best interest for the town for the new players to post as much as possible. They are the ones most likely to give up information and they will be most easily read by the vets so the more they post the better. With how Dr.H is playing it really discourages new people from posting out of fear that they may just be labeled as bandwagoning onto other pro town comments.
Dr.H can say hes just putting pressure on people to force mistakes but I think attacking the new players would be a very viable strategy for an aggressive mafia. After they attack a new player its likely the new player will either attack them back blindly or will start to post less. Either of which would make the new player appear suspicious.
same again, makes me even more sure. + Show Spoiler +On April 11 2011 07:53 OriginalName wrote:MiG Analysis Postcount 8/863 Total (1 pregame post) Experience Level: Newbie Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 12:04 Mig wrote:
Yea excited for the game to finally start!
This is my first time playing so I don't really think I have the experience to be able to tell which mayor candidates are the best at analysis or the best leader etc. So I am going to base my vote purely on who I think is the most likely to be town. Nothing inherently wrong here: excited states he wants a protown mayor. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 13:26 Mig wrote:
After all the other assassins are eliminated protactinium would just leave the game right? So if he managed to eliminate the other assassins early we could lose the chance to have a powerful town mayor for the rest of the game. Still looking protown here, doesnt add anything that his first post doesn't. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:25 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 13:59 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh man, Protact, you just made my day. That was brilliant, but not quite thought through enough.
The biggest problem, first and foremost, is that other assassins will be gunning for our body guards if you were Mayor/Pardoner. You may have two KP you are willing to lend us, but is it worth it if all the other assassins are going to be attacking townies because of it?
Another problem is that putting you in the position of Pardoner OR mayor would give you information about the bodyguards, something that would be quite valuable to the mafia. Since your win condition is not the same as our, I don't think that it would be wise for us to trust you with that information.
I loved the idea when I first read it, because I was thinking about how the assassins don't have a conflict of interest with the town, so it'd be great to get them working for us, but the problem becomes that we have to pick one of you to work with. That will set all the others against the town, and that counteracts the usefulness in a pretty big way. I do think making an assassin the mayor would turn the other assassins against the town but they are still extremely limited in what they can do since they only have 3 kills to use. But the 2nd point doesn't make any sense at all. What motive could the assassin possibly have to tell the mafia who the body guards were? The assassin would need to protect his bodyguards just as much as anyone. As long as his body guards are alive hes free to hunt the other assassins without there being any threat to his well being. This first point should be stressed more, who cares if we elect an assassin sure that one is pro town BUT ALL THE REST OF THEM NEED TO KILL POSSIBLY TOWNIE BODYGUARDS TO GET HIM! And there will be crapshoots by the assassins which may hit either alignment but since townies outnumber scum by so much (as is balanced) the chances of them reducing our town count before we lose signifcantly more than we gain by the assassins is a great reason why Protact should not have BGs. Im still not seeing the scuminess here. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:42 Mig wrote:
It's definitely way too big of a risk to put an assassin as mayor so I think the main question is whether we should use the medics to protect him. Obviously prot would accept the medic proposal if he doesn't get elected because otherwise hes insta dead. Also it would be a way for the town to control him because if he ever refuses to use his powers the town can just not use the medics to protect him.
The problem with using the medics on prot would be A) it would give the assassins incentive to attack townies, similar to if he was mayor, also we don't know the role numbers. If we only have 1 medic and there are 3 assassins or 4 assassins and 2 medics then the assassins could still kill prot and our medics power would be wasted. Btw this is assuming we can stack medics if that's not possible someone can correct me.
Overall I think its too big of a risk to use the medics on prot and they would be better spent protecting the outspoken town members. Adds on how medic protection on Prot would also be another reason to spray and pray and cause more blue sniping for assassins, this leaves reds to kill outspoken townies as well as assassins may handle their blue snipes for them. Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 14:48 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
good job saying nothing and repeating "pro-town" stuff other people said
fos I wasn't trying to repeat what others said I was typing the posts up at the same time. You can see my other post where I basically said the exact same thing as you went up at the same time. If my posts are just saying nothing then I don't have any defense against that haha. I am just adding points I thought were valid. A wild DrH approaches! MiG ran! Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 15:13 Mig wrote:On April 10 2011 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
it's just shit everyone else said, sounds like you're regurgitating the points strong players have made to make yourself sound agreeable somehow. if you were typing up that small post at the same time we already went through all that then you're the worlds slowest typist I am really slow. On April 10 2011 14:51 GMarshal wrote:
So, to counteract the fact that you have been adding little let me ask you a few little questions
Who is your #1 town read?
Not counting inactives, who is your number 1 scum read?
Who is your favorite Starcraft Player? #1 town read you- a lot of people vouched they could tell if you were mafia. If you were all mafia I don't think they would put themselves out there backing you because if you did end up being mafia it could be traced right back to all of them so I assume their opinions are genuine. #2 kavdragon but only because I didn't agree with his points about the assassin. I don't have any other real analysis. #3 for bw it was mondragon for sc2 jinro I guess I am playing pretty terribly so far regardless of what I am. All I can say is this is my first time playing and I was genuinely trying to help. As the game goes on and I learn I will provide better analysis. Can't Escape! He states his reason for regurgitating information is that he is slow. Im still of the mind that even if he is restating opinions of others at least hes posting SOMETHING. He's sheeping really hard along with town ---> Do note that this is not always a scumtell and while it can be used to base an arguement off of it really doesn't mean anything without other tells along with it. HOWEVER he is also playing the n00b card alot and while it is true I want to see more of this analysis out of him before i truely call him all out scum. His last post is correcting a misspelling of his name. So: Mig is: Sheeping Doesnt want an assassin in a position of power. Wants a Town mayor (Don't we all?) Stressing he is new. I think hes more of a Newbie Sheeping Town than Scum A townie read from LSB/ON. Convenient. Pretty content-light analysis, but i pointed that out when it was posted. Just like i fos'd GM, coag and ON from a very early stage in case people think I'm just throwing around baseless accusations or that I'm scum (lol)
I pretty agree with your main points here. I have suspected ON from day one and have dismissed most of what LSB is saying just because I thought I had a really strong scrum read on ON.
As for Mig, I do find it very strange that he had a very strong town read on GM. Who the hell had a strong town read on GM and WHY? There were no good reasons for it. Having people higher on your lynch list that GM is one thing but getting a strong town read after all that shit with him went down is another thing completely.
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Actually, Mig's pro GM post was a lot earlier than I realized.
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On April 15 2011 15:03 Mig wrote:
tnkted was already killed as a townie kenpachi haha
>_>....
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On April 15 2011 15:04 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 15:02 Kenpachi wrote:On April 15 2011 14:58 Lemonwalrus wrote:On April 12 2011 14:01 BrownBear wrote:
Gmarshal: 13
DoctorHelvetica
Lanaia
Robellicose
Coagulation
OriginalName
Mig
AirbladeOrange
M0nsterChef
kevconsim
darmousseh
Kenpachi
Serejai
Barundar
Lemonwalrus
Kavdragon
GMarshal
tnkted
Latrommi
List of people that voted for GMarhal during his campaign, not sure if we will have the whole mafia team here (doubtful) but good chance there are at least a few in there. im going to call it. tnkted Robellicose LSB Coag Latrommi ilovejonn RedFF yea im aware ilovejonn and Red arent there. you've yet to say why you think i am mafia. OMGUS FOS KENPACHI. i can do this too yo
k do it.
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Gmarshal: 13
Robellicose
Coagulation -> RED
OriginalName -> RED
AirbladeOrange -> Green Probably
M0nsterChef -> Said he was Tracker
Kenpachi
Serejai -> RED
Barundar -> Green Probably
Lemonwalrus -> RED
GMarshal -> RED
Latrommi
My reads
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United States4714 Posts
Before you declare I am mafia can you please analyze more than just my first 3 day1 posts? And yea I had a GM town read at the very beginning of the game just like a lot of people did.
And while it doesn't prove anything I voted for DrH for mayor and he only won by 1 vote. If I had stayed on GM he would have won mayor instead.
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I don't think the point about GMarshal asking him questions means anything really. If you go look in Insane 2, he was doing the exact same thing on Day 1. It'd only stand out to me if he was the only one he was asking questions to, or if it stood out independently. Going to go back and look.
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United States4714 Posts
I will add I think GGQ is almost certainly not mafia.
He posted this right after GM posted his dt claim.
GGQ Canada. April 14 2011 14:37. Posts 1677 PM Profile Blog Report Quote #
Why I have a very hard time believing any DT claim in this game:
In the OP, it states that not every role is guaranteed to be in the game. I believe that the DT is one role that is not in this game. My logic is simple; there's no millers. The miller role has been replaced by the nosy neighbour; a townie that shows up at deaths to throw doubt on tracker/watcher reports. I think that a DT with no miller is too powerful, so we probably only have trackers/watchers as our information roles. So I have a tough time believing GMarshal is a DT.
His argument made a lot of sense and for how important the DT role claim gambit was for the mafia I can't imagine any of them trying to cast doubt on it right after.
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On April 15 2011 15:06 Mig wrote:
Before you declare I am mafia can you please analyze more than just my first 3 day1 posts? And yea I had a GM town read at the very beginning of the game just like a lot of people did.
And while it doesn't prove anything I voted for DrH for mayor and he only won by 1 vote. If I had stayed on GM he would have won mayor instead.
That doesn't mean anything. The last minute switch was what allowed DrH to win the mayor election. If it didn't happen GM would have won. I ain't saying you're mafia, I'm saying that's not something that can clear you
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oh take note of Latrommi's last minute vote on GM.
WHY ITS SUSPICIOUS
hes a newbie and inactive. not even a lurker as he doesnt read the thread. (Conclusion i drew from the posts he made)
Being a newbie, hed likely help mafia if he was mafia.
kk.
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