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On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way.
Yes
Of course it did, you were accusing me
I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum.
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On April 14 2011 23:40 M0nsterChef wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:36 Rean wrote:On April 14 2011 23:00 redFF wrote:On April 14 2011 12:52 aidnai wrote:On April 14 2011 12:49 MetalFace wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2011 12:22 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 12:01 kitaman27 wrote:Another person I think we should look at: MetalFace
I played with this guy as scum and he was a horrible, horrible lurker. Here are some gems so far: On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:
Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. From his previous game, I think this post speaks a lot to his approach as scum. On October 22 2010 23:08 MetalFace wrote:
This is my first time playing and I didn't want to screw myself over by saying something dumb OMG YES, he has 3 posts in this thread and his signup. Let's look at them. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:On April 11 2011 11:15 MetalFace wrote:This thread blew up way too fast. So much spam to sift through...  Anyways, I think it's important to look at how people have reacted to the Protactinium Campaign. Ideally we want a townie as mayor. Worst case scenario is mafia get mayor. I'd say a third party getting mayor falls in between these two. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing who is who. So, for a second, let's just assume he is, in fact, an assassin. People who want him in think that he would benefit their faction more than the opposing. So let's see how an assassin mayor would actually affect the game. Pretty much, the big power of the mayor is the first day lynch and the subsequent triple vote count. Who, then, is he likely to kill? His kill priorities, as I see it, are as follows: A) Other assassins B) Mafia C) Townies Why? Well, A is obvious. He wants to win, and needs to kill the other assassins. B and C, though, are tricky. The mayor can only die in one of 2 ways: the bodyguards are eliminated and then the mayor is vulnerable to night attacks, OR, the mayor is lynched. The bodyguards will presumably remain anonymous, so that Protactinium can protect himself. Therefore, it is unlikely they will be quickly expended.* Protactinium's biggest concern, then, is the town lynching him. Townies hold a majority vote, and if Protactinium doesn't act in a clearly pro-town way, then he will be lynched. Essentially, if he doesn't act pro-town he will lose. Thus, an assassin mayor would benefit the town and hurt the mafia, and would be supported by townies and attacked by scum in the election. *A situation may occur where assassins may try to kill off the bodyguards in an attempt to make Protactinium vulnerable. This is in my mind unlikely, because an assassin would have to waste kills. To be honest though, I am not entirely sure how this would affect the game as a whole. It is for this reason that I am still thinking about who to vote for. Also, remember that an assassin mayor is not ideal; a townie mayor is. Hopefully a townie can sweet talk the rest of us to voting him in, but with all the idiotic spamming and name calling going on, it's awful tough to trust anyone right now. I gotta think about this more... This is your first post in this thread. You state the obvious, use a lot of filler sentences, and repeat pretty much exactly what other people have said e.g. you talk about how if protact were mayor he would be in a LYLO situation, something you would know has been already discussed if you actually read the thread. So assuming you have read the thread you seem to be posting without contributing. I actually responded to it already when it was posted, now that it is relevant again i can bring attention to it. There is no fucking direction or contribution to this opening post. Now let's look at every other post he made in this thread... Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 12:15 MetalFace wrote:On April 11 2011 11:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Posts like the ones MetalHead just made are pretty scummy imo, you have to look past the "wordswordswordswordswords" and think about what the direction of their post is. His post had no direction other than to appear contributive. That's not good. My direction was the implication that people who attacked Protactinium's campaign have scummy motives. Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 23:38 MetalFace wrote:
After sleeping with it, I'm voting for Protactinium. Pretty much for the reasons I said before. Plus, my gut is telling me not to trust anyone else.
##Vote: Protactinium He says that his direction was that people who attacked protact's campaign had scummy motives. Who had said the exact same thing? Protact had, he is simply mimicking what protact had already wrote. Kita actually summed it up quite nicely with those quotes of him stating the obvious. He hasn't posted since that vote for protact. No reaction to the assassin he voted for mayor claiming dt. Lurking bigtime because he is afraid of someone reading him as scum? Already happened bro, gotta come out and post now. Hey, cool. Sorry I don't post a ton. Don't have access to a computer at all times of the day and this thread fills up faster than you'd think  And if you're upset that I haven't come in yet with some groundbreaking analysis or huge lead, well, you who played with me last time can attest that I'm actually just not that great at the game. And, unfortunately, as I think of things, people seem to have posted it before I get the chance. Anywho, I think Prot is full of crap. Someone else mentioned it but I think it's true that he is actually just an assassin who is upset he didn't get immunity from becoming mayor, so now he needs a new lie to keep himself alive. I think Lynch All Liars should be applied here and we should just out him now, but apparently other people think differently. There's a lot of pointless arguing right now. Just kill Prot. Hot damn you showed up fast SCUM. Doesn't post at all and as soon as he is accused of not contributing he shows up. FUCKING SURPRISE. still should lynch ON/LSB, but this guy just got 100X more scummy. you can add this under my analysis of redff as another argument why he's scum He did this before to to me though, when I came out of lurking to defend myself, I'd say it doesn't mean anything.
It means he's trying to get town to lynch them for lurking. Both to waste a lynch and because newbie blue's usually lurk and only come out to defend themself or try to make someone they checked to be scum look suspicious.
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As far as the coag lynch goes, I am indifferent on it, as I said I have an absolutely null read on coag, as I see it he is playing his usual capslocked ranting style, which means that as usual his alignment is a mystery to me. I think a vigi shot is still a better idea as it proves him one way or another without killing him if he is town and allows us to use our lynch on someone else.
All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target.
Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them
Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum
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On April 14 2011 21:26 redFF wrote:
Coag may or may not be scum. Frankly, it doesn't matter to me, because listening to a proven LIAR is wrong. He claimed assassin then dt, just ignore him. I prefer ignore all liars over lynch all liars, because we don't have to waste a lynch. I thought ON was scum day 1 so my vote for now is on LSB, leave FW to rot and we can see how he flips. He deserves no trust.
You know, this is the exact logic I used to try to get LSB lynched in XXXVII and guess what, I WAS MAFIA. To look logic and analysis in the face and go NOPE! HE LIED! WE LYNCH LIARS! is wrong!
There comes a point where, even though he lied about his alignment, his argument still holds water. The fact that you're jumping straight to saying that it's not because his analysis of Coagulation is wrong that we shouldn't vote Coag but that we shouldn't vote Coagulation merely on the simple fact that he lied, focusing more of our attention on the lie than to analysis to get us off Coag's vote sends big scum signs off for me, not that I haven't been thinking you are scum all game.
FoS RedFF for now, we can lynch you at a later date
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EWODP:
You know, this is the exact logic I used to try to get LSB lynched in XXXVII and guess what, I WAS MAFIA. To look logic and analysis in the face and go NOPE! HE LIED! WE LYNCH LIARS! WE IGNORE LIARS! is wrong!
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On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum.
Wait what? You're trying to cause some WIFOM to avoid being lynched? How is this pro-town in the slightest? What kind of town worries so much about being lynched, right from the start?
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On April 14 2011 14:32 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +You may invoke the power at any time during the day cycle you choose, and no lynch will happen that day. If he pardons there's no lynch that day so we can't do anything against it Mr. Wiggles. BTW, I still think you're scum GM and I still think ON/LSB is scum. I've already analyzed ON previously but if you look at LSB's posting all day today it's a complete chainsaw defense of Coag onto Prot
So you know Coag is red?
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On April 15 2011 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote:On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum. Wait what? You're trying to cause some WIFOM to avoid being lynched? How is this pro-town in the slightest? What kind of town worries so much about being lynched, right from the start?
The kind of town that doesn't want to be lynched maybe? If you were town would you let yourself get lynched because hey, you're a townie, you're supposed to be okay with being lynched?
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On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. Yes Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum.
Can I tell you how unresonable that is?
"hmm, its day 1, I could post analysis on the candidates for mayor, weigh in on any of the many discussions or try to pressure inactives/lurkers... nah, I'll just troll, lol"
Seriously, "I didn't want to be hanged" is the single worst justification I have heard for not contributing/trolling ever.
"and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum." also a cute way to OMGUS anyone that considers you suspicious at all, since in that case they must be "scum using you as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum."
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On April 15 2011 00:36 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote:On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum. Wait what? You're trying to cause some WIFOM to avoid being lynched? How is this pro-town in the slightest? What kind of town worries so much about being lynched, right from the start? The kind of town that doesn't want to be lynched maybe? If you were town would you let yourself get lynched because hey, you're a townie, you're supposed to be okay with being lynched?
No, you are supposed to play pro-town so you *aren't* lynched.
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On April 15 2011 00:36 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:On April 15 2011 00:18 Rean wrote:On April 14 2011 23:47 kitaman27 wrote:On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
Scum, tries to add to the analysis of aidnai because the bandwagon isn't really getting along.
Upon seeing it fail, he starts a whole new bandwagon: Does this mean you think MetalFace is innocent? On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
The jewel in this setup. He declares he's somewhat suspicious about me Did that catch your attention way back then? Seems to have been ignored by everyone else. On April 14 2011 23:35 Rean wrote:
He then re-inforces his point some more by trying to compare my play to my previous games, being ignorant to the fact that I would never play the same this game since in the other two I was unlynchable and not worried of looking like scum to anyone. Oh I see, so you are worried about looking like scum? Thanks. Nice OMGUS by the way. Of course it did, you were accusing me I didn't just want to be lynched day 1 so I decided to troll around causing some WIFOM, figured it'd both keep me from being sacked day 1 and make it easier for scum to use me as a lynch target to try to switch a bandwagon off scum. Wait what? You're trying to cause some WIFOM to avoid being lynched? How is this pro-town in the slightest? What kind of town worries so much about being lynched, right from the start? The kind of town that doesn't want to be lynched maybe? If you were town would you let yourself get lynched because hey, you're a townie, you're supposed to be okay with being lynched?
It's the fact that you prioritize not getting lynched over scum hunting, which worries me. Why does it take someone to call you out for you to be willing to post a scum list or analysis.
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Just for clarification so i'm straight on this: are you two calling me scum or just a retarded townie?
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On April 15 2011 00:40 Rean wrote:
Just for clarification so i'm straight on this: are you two calling me scum or just a retarded townie?
I'm not decided yet, your responses are making me lean scum more and more, seriously that has to be the worst justification I have heard, ever.
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On April 15 2011 00:21 GMarshal wrote:
As far as the coag lynch goes, I am indifferent on it, as I said I have an absolutely null read on coag, as I see it he is playing his usual capslocked ranting style, which means that as usual his alignment is a mystery to me. I think a vigi shot is still a better idea as it proves him one way or another without killing him if he is town and allows us to use our lynch on someone else.
All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target.
Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them
Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum
I read your accusation of AO, and really you are just bashing all his posts. There is no discussion of them, you are simply looking for negative points. Looking for scum tells in every post is not behavior analysis.
I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
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On April 15 2011 00:45 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 00:21 GMarshal wrote:
As far as the coag lynch goes, I am indifferent on it, as I said I have an absolutely null read on coag, as I see it he is playing his usual capslocked ranting style, which means that as usual his alignment is a mystery to me. I think a vigi shot is still a better idea as it proves him one way or another without killing him if he is town and allows us to use our lynch on someone else.
All that said I find chaoser's analysis of ON/LSB to be compelling, still, LSB is a really good player, and I'm loath to lynch him day 2, I would at least wait till day 3 where we will have more information to lynch on. I find Rean's attitude much scummier than his usual play, which in my mind makes him an ideal lynch target.
Also I'm frustrated that I wrote two separate analysis of people and both have either postponed their answer or flat out ignored them. Seriously look at AO. he has been scooting along all game long making longish posts that say *nothing* and he just says my analysis is wrong and moves on. Why is no one jumping on this? its typical of scum to just dismiss accusations as wrong without answering them
Unless AO replies to my accusation and justifies himself he will remain on my list as scum
I read your accusation of AO, and really you are just bashing all his posts. There is no discussion of them, you are simply looking for negative points. Looking for scum tells in every post is not behavior analysis. I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
I'm not refusing to have an opinion on coag, I *really* don't know either way I looked at protacs analysis, if it were any player other than coag I would be pushing for his lynch, but you've been in games with him before, this is how coag plays! He is chaotic and random and enjoys flaming, what read do you expect me to have? Should I be suspicious because he claimed blue day 2? He does that more often than not, hell he claimed *medic* in XXXVII
I forget who the quote is from, but coag flips a coin to determine what day of the week it is, so yeah, I have no idea, I want a vigi to shoot him so we can just be done with discussing this, seriously to me this is like analyzing Kenpachi, or serj its all crap that hurts the eyes to read. (and yes I went back and read over his posts, my conclusion is that his is drunk)
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On April 15 2011 00:45 Barundar wrote:I don't like that you refuse to have an opinion on coag either. Like chaoser said, him lieing or not holds no relevance for his case.
Bullshit. It makes everything he says suspect. As far as I know he pulled Coags name out of his ass.
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also from the voting thread, right now
On April 15 2011 00:46 Serejai wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Rean
care to explain yourself Serejai? or do you want to talk about building towns?
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@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
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On April 15 2011 01:06 Barundar wrote:
@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
I know. And I'm waiting for somebody to tell me how hard I'm defending Coag. I'm not defending Coag.
I'm completely dismissing what Proact says. He has an agenda that is neither town nor scum. I honestly have no idea what we get lynching Coag. I just feel that doing so furthers the agenda of another unknown quantity in Proact and I think we should all avoid it.
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On April 15 2011 01:06 Barundar wrote:
@GM Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion on him, coag's meta is no where as solid as a player like Ace. You just ignored that I critized your analysis of AO and went on a rant about coag, I guess you are more touchy on the last issue?
@Jackal Yeah we don't have to believe his DT claim. His arguments are like any other arguments though, you either agree or disagree. LSB lied so much in last game that I stopped looking at the arguments against chaoser and just wanted him dead, which turned out to be a huge mistake as you know.
Well what am I going to say about your criticism of my arguments? You brought up no real points other than its "bashing" not much I can reply to that, now is there? I could argue the point, but anyone who reads the analysis can come to their own conclusions, there's no need for me to get upset over it ^_^
I dont follow what you are implying about coag's meta, as far as I know every game I have played with coag he has played exactly the same. Either way, its irrelevant, we are either going to hang him today or have him shot tonight, that will clear up the situation wonderfully.
In regards to protacs arguments, which seems to be what really concerns you; find that much of what protac says seems to make sense to me, his arguments are persuasive, I even agree with some if his points, and then I remember it coagulation I'm talking about, the guy who ten minutes into the day in Guts and Glory suicided into our medic, the guy who claimed medic to LSB in XXXVII based only on his gut.
So yes, I do find the liars arguments persuasive, fw is a great poster and I find his analysis to be excellent, if he had tried this on almost any other player I would probably be waving a pitchfork and going for the lynch of his chosen target.
Is that enough of an opinion for you?
Anyway I'm done discussing coag, if you guys want to lynch him then do so, otherwise a vigi will shoot him tonight (assuming we have any around).
I'm off to class, I'll be back later to scumhunt.
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