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Also my first game, but i've read the rules, reading through the XXXVII thread atm and read the rules and all. | ||
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EDIT: also, do the bodyguards protect you from being lynched aswell? And i guess that in a equal vote scenario, the major vote is deciding? | ||
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On March 23 2011 21:44 Rean wrote: Awesome. And i assume that red/black can be picked as mayor aswell? EDIT: also, do the bodyguards protect you from being lynched aswell? And i guess that in a equal vote scenario, the major vote is deciding? Another question on top of these: are bodyguards picked before or after the mayor is elected? | ||
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On March 23 2011 22:17 LSB wrote: Don't worry about balance! The game should be balanced... I think But as for your question, there are only 4 blues, so it shouldn't be an issue. Just a little hint, it is a really bad idea to claim your role. A really really bad idea Yep, the town basically elects a mayor. People will have to run for the mayorship and the players will vote who will become the mayor. In the event of a tie, the player who first reached the tying amount of votes will be granted mayorship. Before Sorry, i typed major instead of mayor: if, during the mid-game, there's a tie between who to lynch, will they both die or does the mayor's vote decide? | ||
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Behold, Rean's brilliant plan to improve the wonderful city that is Liquidia: - We will make more jobs available in the agricultural sector by allowing farmers to settle on the land owned by the city of Liquidia. These farmers may only sell their goods to the inhabitants of Liquidia, driving down the prices of dairy and meat. - We're starting several public gyms that have free membership access and skilled coaches to help everyone stay in good shape. - We're renovating Liquidian security with a simple three step plan: 1. We're training a elite 4 man team dedicated to catching the most evil of evil villians terrorizing the streets of Liquidia. They will be called "The Liqui-tastic Four" . 2. We're installing hidden infra-red camera's in houses. These will activate between midnight and 6 AM, and once someone is detected moving around at that time, they'll swiftly be arrested by the Liquidia police team. 3. We will publicly hang anyone who stands against the - Every Liquidian will receive a free tophat voucher to collect your tophat at RebirthofLegend's Top Hat store ("We're the TOP hat store in the city!"). Because tophats are awesome: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/8UhsV.jpg) Vote Rean for a better future of Liquidia! P.S. I promise i'll try not to make more terrible jokes like TOP hat store or Liqui-tastic four. | ||
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If there is a blue out there not aligned to Bum: CLAIM. If he isn't really blue we've found a free first scum. | ||
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On March 24 2011 18:26 bumatlarge wrote: Well I mean someone counter claiming doesn't automatically make me scum >_> they could be lying but I doubt mafia or third party has the balls. My balls should be getting cold, as they are hanging loosely from my open fly. They remain warm and filled with virility. Yeah, that's what i meant, sorry, bad wording Admittedly, it'd be stupid to claim if you're really a blue because it'd just be suicide. Not to mention it'd also be suicide to claim a blue day 1 when you're not, because then you're also fucked. | ||
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On March 25 2011 00:20 BrownBear wrote: It's POSSIBLE that bum is a 3rd-party and our blue team is retarded. Very very unlikely though. I see no reason to not vote for him at least for the time being. Although, probably not happening, but imagine this: bum is 3rd party. Blues counterclaim. another 3rd party CCs the blue's counterclaim (nah guys, bum's a blue, so am i!). Blues with another of theirs. So on and so forth. Mafia rofls. We lose pretty hard  So on until it's 4-4, we give Mayor to someone else, lynch Bum and see what he flips as. Blue? Kill the 4 counterclaiming. Black? Kill the 3 defending him. At worst we trade Bum for the ENTIRE black party. Hell of a trade if you ask me. | ||
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On March 23 2011 15:10 LSB wrote: No kills will take place night 0 Godfatheresque selections will take place night 0 Day 1 will be a mayoral election with the mayor deciding the lynch the first day. | ||
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And considering that, from what i've seen, Chaoser is way to impulsive (not sure if that's the word, i mean letting emotions cloud your clear thinking) and arrogant/proud, i don't trust him as a Mayor. Therefore, i'm going to make myself a candidate aswell. - I'm going to decide day 1 lynch by everyone getting 1 vote (obviously including myself), exactly how a normal lynch would go. - I will continue to speak my mind and do the analysis i always do (a person-by-person analysis taking into account everything said regarding/by them). - I will not give my vote to RoL blindly. I realize that i'm rather unknown on TL Mafia, and that DF mafia made me look like a fucking moron the way i let myself get played, but that will NOT happen again. | ||
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On March 25 2011 05:40 CubEdIn wrote: @ annul: if you think for one second that a team of black would give up ALL 4 members in order to out 4 blues (and possibly kill 1), and completely throw away their chances of winning, during which they give red a significant advantage, then you're out of your mind. They have different winning conditions (reds and blacks), so the only teams that would want to work together is greens and blues. I like that Tackster is being methodical about this, but I will say it right now, if there are no counter-claims, I'll be highly suspicious of anyone who keeps claiming that picking bum is a bad idea. In fact, it's such a GOOD idea I was actually going over the rules a few times to make sure there's no slip from the mod that would allow a confirmed townie to get picked as mayor. While I do admit that the blue team MIGHT be a bunch of afk-ers or too dumb to counter-claim (sorry, but it's true), you all must accept that that's a very small possibility. Did you even read his post? His worries are more Bum being red then black. He realizes that for black this'd be suicide. | ||
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On March 25 2011 05:46 CubEdIn wrote: Oh right, and it's MUCH better for reds to lose 4 people, get left with 2 against 4 blacks who are bulletproof + town, assuming they would even be able to kill the four blues who will obviously be defended by medics. You're right, it MAKES MUCH MORE SENSE FOR RED! READ. I'm not saying it's good for red either, i'm just pointing something out. Besides, if Bum is red: blue counter-claims to stop him from taking mayor, then red would just leave it at that because giving away 2 red names to the blue party AND the black party would be very dangerous. But the most important thing of all here is, IMO: No-one knows their roles yet. Red could be risking their most powerful member of all if Bum is infact red, but blue wouldn't be risking nearly as much putting Bum out there since he'd be confirmed town if no-one counterclaims, and if someone does and he ends up not getting mayor, he can get medic attention still. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills: Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless. Also, Darmo's unbanned now. Doesn't this go both ways though? If red/black intends to CC, they'd wait until day 1 so they don't need to risk sending out their most powerful member. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:19 darmousseh wrote: Secondly, I am in the item game, it is very important that a townie win the item game. Also, statistically speaking it's better to choose someone from the item game since there is a higher percentage of townies. Randomly picking someone from item-game: 66% chance it hits a townie. Randomly picking someone from entire list: 66% chance you hit a town-aligned player, with it being even better to hit a blue then a green. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote: are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. and how do we know that with you we're not voting said black player to be our mayor? that'd be awful now wouldn't it? | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:08 annul wrote: nominating the black player in item game doesn't LOSE us as much as we would GAIN by nominating a green in item game, if that makes sense. black already has nighttime immunity, which is what we are trying to get to green by nominating a green in item game. the bad situation would be to nominate the red in item game, actually. but since i am green and not red nor black, there isn't this problem <3 It's a risk that i wouldn't consider to be worth it, especially if there's no counter-claim on Bum. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:26 annul wrote: "The lack of a counter-claim DOES confirm him as blue. If things stay that way 'till the end of day one, then he is blue." imagine this scenario: 1. hatter 2. multi-shot vig 3. mass medic 4. jack would any of these 4 give themselves up in a trade 1:1 to take out ONE scum? of course not. each strong empowered player needs to use their abilities to take out MULTIPLE scum. in this game, for all intents and purposes, it's 10 scum vs 20 nonscum. that is 33% scum when standard play is 20% scum. 1:1 trades are no good here. Multi-shot vigilante can just shoot Bum upright? And what is a jack? | ||
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I mean, we don't know roles at all, maybe blue are all day vig's, maybe they're a secret chippendale's police force that can investigate's people's alignment by stripping for them at night. Nobody knows. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:39 Rean wrote: You're now just randomly making compositions up in a desperate attempt to stop us voting Bum. I mean, we don't know roles at all, maybe blue are all day vig's, maybe they're a secret chippendale's police force that can investigate's people's alignment by stripping for them at night. Nobody knows. this @annul | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:42 deconduo wrote: Item game: -Town mayor good -Mafia mayor bad -3rd P mayor bad 33% chance of good Actual game: -Town mayor good -Blue mayor good -Mafia mayor bad -3rd P mayor bad 50% chance of good Non-item game is better See how pointless arguing maths is? You can't just reduce a game to stats, you have to take meta into account. lol. it's 20 pro-town against 10 scum, 33% chance | ||
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Just remember, if you're to hipster to vote Bum, there's always Rean! | ||
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On March 26 2011 01:01 Insanious wrote: So apparently I used the return button to send me to the page that sent my last msg in game resending it... I probably would of sent it like 8 times if TL didn't block double posts... Note to self, don't use backspace to go back through pages if you have sent a message... Just navigate your way there. Ugh. Sorry about that. you kept the same browser open for 21 hours? | ||
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On March 26 2011 05:18 Coagulation wrote: PEOPLE LOVE LIST'S 1. RebirthOfLeGenD 2. Jackal58 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 7. darmousseh 8. bumatlarge 9. GMarshal 10. Coagulation 11. orgolove 12. chaoser 13. Meapak_Ziphh 14. annul 15. kevconsim 16. Mr. Wiggles 17. CubEdIn 18. GGQ 19. ilovejonn 20. Amber[LighT] 21. BrownBear 22. Lemonwalrus 23. Rean 24. tnkted 25. Tackster 26. Lanaia 27. iGrok 28. Beneather 29. Insanious 30. Eiii if red means mafia: tackster and darmousseh are both IG players. | ||
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Out of the 6 players currently i've got a gut feeling that Annul is scum (my gut feeling for Annul is notoriously bad though >.>), and as for the second scum... I really don't have a clue, without access to some of the pm's going around it's hard to judge, so i think we're gonna need to rely on IG players to give us some solid analysis. I reckon it's best to DT check annul for now (miller claims will NOT be believed this time ), medic the best analyzer in there and pray it doesn't all go to hell. | ||
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On March 26 2011 06:23 annul wrote: and bumatlarge: if you and the entire town wants me dead, give me one night to live. vote me out day 2 or something. there is something i need to do. first you want to be voted out day 2 at the earliest and now your fate is sealed? the fuck? | ||
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On March 26 2011 07:07 Kenpachi wrote: does anyone have thoughts on my first analysis in like 5 mafia games? :S your analysis was mostly bullshit, you quoted things like spam posts for no real reason, and when you quoted the mod question i just facepalmed. I mean, maybe he asked the question because he wants to know the answer? Please make your next analysis somewhat higher quality. As for iGrok being scum: he's definitely one to keep a eye on, strange behavior so far, try's to appear active but has contributed next to nothing to actual analysis. | ||
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On March 26 2011 07:36 Kenpachi wrote: Why is he asking the question when he isnt even playing in the item game? i was looking for the reason but didnt see it. came out of the blue. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XmHgY.jpg) Maybe because he wants to know if in said scenario the items get deleted or randomly spread? | ||
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Others play mafia :D | ||
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Personally i dream of the Ghost but it'll be a while before i get there | ||
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On March 28 2011 01:14 Tackster wrote: cos i'm new i want to ask - does the shot count as cheating? Typing ##shoot isn't cheating. Sending smily's over AIM to people you don't have PM rights with is a capital crime however. | ||
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On March 28 2011 02:10 Barundar wrote: No epic game without controversy! Completely off topic, can anyone remember that post where someone tried to photoshop their inbox and got called out on it? I remember it as a few good lol's, but the search provided no results. Feel free to PM me to not spam the thread with non-dramatic posts ^^ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117745#5 | ||
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On March 28 2011 04:04 kitaman27 wrote: Wow, looks like RoL doesn't even win the award for most drama filled smiley. :DDD My liquibet is being raped, but i'm loling my ass off. Love it when IdrA gets a taste of his own medicine :D | ||
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On March 28 2011 19:21 Jackal58 wrote: Lemon was role reversed or some other such thing. And maybe you should stop for a second and think: why? Role reversal is a powerful ability. Randomly using it on someone, that'd be silly. So they definitely used it on Lemonwalrus for a reason. Now, what could that reason be? Assume Lemonwalrus is scum: they'd be using it on him to make sure that he will not be detected by DT's. A logical thing to do. Assume he's town: they used it on him in the hopes that the DT would check out Lemonwalrus. A long shot, especially considering that Tack was the main suspect, AND that blue's would also want some sort of confirmation that Jackal and Coagulation aren't making a huge mistake trusting each other. However, if Lemon is town, Tackster is almost certainly mafia, and Tackster was sure to get DT'd with all the suspicion around him. So they'd be much better off using it on Tackster instead, to avoid having him being suspected. I'm not to familiar with all the crazy roles mafia could have, but this certainly isn't the work of a framer role (if framer means they can choose someone and he appears as whatever the framer wants to DT checks), because a framer would've simply picked him to show up as town. The only other option is that Lemonwalrus is indeed the Godfather and he picked to show up as blue roles. That could've been either a newbie mistake (he's new afterall), or he choose it to mess with everyone's mind. Either way, i'd say the chances of Lemonwalrus being mafia are much higher then Tackster being mafia. And to top this all off: his item claim seems dodgy to me. All items in this game were balanced to force you to make a choice: use, steal or defend. However, Lemon claims his item is passive. That doesn't fit in at all with the other items, as his vest would be by far the strongest item, since he only has to steal or defend, use happens automatically. I call bullshit on his item claim for exactly these reasons. Conclusion: Lemonwalrus, i accuse thee of being SCUM. | ||
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On March 28 2011 19:40 Coagulation wrote: if Lemon is scum WHY DIDNT HE STEAL MY GUN? SOMEONE ANSWER PLZ He knew that you were gonna shoot Tack, he had nothing to fear from your gun. And stealing it would make it very obvious that either Jackal or himself were scum, since they were the only 2 knowing you had the gun rather then Jackal. On the other hand, he knows that if his team just busses annul and Tackster he could easily put all the blame on Tackster. The obvious choice there would be to let you keep it. | ||
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On March 28 2011 20:45 Coagulation wrote: Dont fall for this shit if your town look at whats fucking happening. Scum is jumping all over the chance to get the lynch of tackster Look at deconduo he comes in thread after everything that happens and completely ignores everything that IG townies are telling people about the bus and the gun not being stolen and just straight up jumps all over how town sucks and lemon is scum. THAT ISNT TOWN PLAY. I dont see how you guys are fucking acting all surprised a scum used his role on Lemon last night The IG players have been the SOLE attention of the entire game OF COURSE they are going to focus abilitys on the IG PLAYERS. USE YOUR HEADS DAMNIT. Do you really think a first time mafia player is going to be able to completely 100% deceive 3 mafia veterans? Are you fucking kidding? 1. Are you calling me scum? 2. Nobody is acting surprised that scum used their power on Lemon, and you would know that if you stopped being a tunneling idiot and actually tried to READ what people are saying >.> Right now you're just tunneling Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments made. That's not helping town at all. | ||
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On March 28 2011 21:33 Jackal58 wrote: I didn't care if Gryff was town or not. I simply didn't want him at end game. Town would have lost. You know it. I know it. And you're right. I don't let go. XXXVII - Had the last 3 scum nailed. Nailed all of your asses to a tree. My incessant pounding of that point was through PMs though. Not so much in the game. Town wins XXXVI - CubeDin and Divinek - Nailed them. Would not let go. Town wins. No Guts No Glory - Named the entire scum team right before I died. If I had lived damn straight I would not have let go. You know why Mafia rapes town here? Because you guys are so damn terrified of being wrong you can't do anything. As soon as somebody say "lets do something" You all go OK and then when the doing gets started you all develop paralysis by analysis. You're terrified you might get it wrong. Well guess what. If I get it wrong I get it wrong. I'm not afraid of fucking up. Fear is how scum plays. When town plays that way town loses. I have no fucking intentions of losing because I can't come up with a plan of action and stick to it. I have no intentions of losing because I'm too goddamned afraid I might make a mistake. If that's tunneling so be it. If that's not the way this game has ever been played here before so be it. That's how I play now, that's how I'll play tomorrow. And yes sometimes I'm going to get it wrong and kill a townie. Shit happens. You guys lynch townies all day long without my help. When you guys do it it's because you're afraid you might be wrong. And it's amazing how similar Tacks defense has been to your last day in XXXVII. You're coaching him well. Translation: i'm gonna tunnel the shit out of Tackster, completely ignoring any arguments whatsoever. If you don't like it, deal with it. Such a helpful attitude...... Everyone gets lucky once in a while. If you really are so damn sure that Lemon is town, GIVE US SOLID REASONS. All you've said so far is "dw guys, trust me, i'm pro lol, it's cool". That's nowhere near a good reason. | ||
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On March 28 2011 22:10 Jackal58 wrote: I promised 2 out of 3. 1 down 1 to go. Tack is scum. If I got there by hook or by crook or just dumb luck it doesn't really matter. What are your reasons for presenting a multitude of what if scenarios and pointless circular arguments? I have a destination. You have nothing. Who do you think people are going to believe, the guy giving arguments, reasons and explanations as motivation to have Lemon lynched, or the guy blindly tunneling Tackster constantly saying "dw guys, he's defo scum, just trust me" not giving anyone any reason to trust him? | ||
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On March 28 2011 22:25 Jackal58 wrote: Coag shot Tackster Tackster stole my item because he thought it was a gun. Tackster was protected by a bus driver. Tackster admits to his theft. If he were town why would he feel compelled to steal from me? But this has all been put out there before. Over and over again. You are either terrified of being wrong or scum. I'm leaning towards scum. Regarding the stealing: as both red and green he would have a reason to stay alive. As red because obviously he would want to win his team the item-game. As green because him dying would bring it to a 4 player scenario, where one day lynch and a double night-hit could decide the item game. As town he couldn't have known he was gonna get bussed so he would've assumed that there would still be 5 players. Conclusion: regardless of Tackster's alignment, he would've stolen your item. Your argument is worthless. | ||
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On March 28 2011 22:38 Jackal58 wrote: It's the fact that he had assistance from a 3rd party to ensure his survival that nails him. I'm really enjoying all you guys outing yourselves. Ok. Let's, for a second, imagine you're Lemonwalrus. You're mafia. You know this. Your only purpose in this game is to win your team the item-game, so obviously that's what you do. You know Jackal and Coagulation trust each other to be town. You've tricked both of them into thinking you're town (lord knows how), they're gonna shoot Tackster. They told Tackster that Jackal has a gun and he's gonna shoot Tackster with it, while Coagulation actually has the gun. You know this, because again, you have their trust. Annul got tricked by RoL into revealing he's town. So once Tackster dies and flips green, you know you're fucked. So you consult your mafia buddy's and make a plan. You bus Annul and Tackster, killing off Annul, keeping Tackster alive. Jackal and Coagulation will obviously blame Tackster, saying he had his buddies bus him away. If they get him lynched, it's down to a 3 man scenario at night, and since the only medic item is in the hands of Tackster, you can just kill both Jackal and Coagulation and it's game over, mafia wins the item game. The only problem left is DT checks. Since you obviously didn't elect your Godfather into the item-game (since he's guaranteed to die, and you need the Godfather to be able to win after the item-game), you decide to use the role-reversal of your teammate on yourself. Boom, DT will just check himself, and that problem is solved. The only mistake Lemon made was claiming that his item worked without being used, which does NOT fit in with every other item in this game, and is obviously a bullshit claim. You're walking blindly into his trap, Jackal. | ||
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On March 28 2011 11:29 LSB wrote: Clarification, the potato did not blow up. It was simply removed from the game with Annul's death for those talking about the potato: it didn't go off. | ||
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On March 29 2011 00:51 chaoser wrote: Ok, Tack, why didn't you come out and say your item was stolen? LSB didn't put it in for a while, it's possible Tackster wasn't informed either. Also: LSB, when Darmousseh asked you to give him a copy of the town message because he considered it cheating to check the role messages, did you give him a copy of the town message? | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:10 deconduo wrote: @Jackal, Coag How would the mind control ability affect your plan to confirm each other? Their entire plan was probably based on them breadcumbing townie pm's to each other to confirm that they're town. | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:37 deconduo wrote: Oh, and this is niggling me too: 'Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people' Why split successful into two words? Feels like a hint/clue. He didn't spell success right either so i wouldn't bother with that to much. It's much more likely they hit a veteran type. | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:42 deconduo wrote: One last thing, alignment PMs: Annul: GMarshal: Mine: Darm: Your pm was for the waiting, Annul's PM was because he didn't get any powers at all due to being in the item game. Annul got your pm as well initially, and you got another PM describing your powers after the one you linked. GMarshal's pm was the power-describing one aswell, same as Darmousseh. | ||
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On March 29 2011 02:51 Lanaia wrote: LSB said that was GMarshal's ALIGNMENT PM. Hence, that must mean that it was his waiting PM as well. LSB also said that that was Annul's ALIGNMENT PM. Deconduo's right there. This means that not everyone has the same alignment PM. The crumbing of alighment PMs was likely futile then, no? You're right. Alignment pm's would've also included a possible team then, which was the case in GMarshal. In cases where townies didn't have a team, they got deconduo's PM. And lastly, the item game players got Annul's PM. This is probably what happened. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:01 Tackster wrote: Guys I have some extremely pro-town information I got earlier. However as it would help the mafia if they knew it i really want a way to tell bum without others knowing. If any blues or greens can somehow PM me please do so as soon as possible so I can out this information. If there are suggestions on another way I can let bum know please tell me. I'm not sure if this info is worth outing in case mafia get it so let me know before I have to decide to out it or not. I got this information by asking LSB a question in PM that I don't believe anyone else has asked. While it concerns the IG it does not concern any actions or persons in the game - only the IG mechanics. Despite the fact that it'd be good to have this information reach Bum, PM's are off-limits in this game unless specified that you can pm a certain person. | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:12 tnkted wrote: Wait actually, theres no way that hits on bum could be shifted to his BGs... Mafia could just use both hits on bum and then have mind control shift coags gun to bum. We don't know if the hit was on bum or on lemon. Theres no way to tell because both would have blocked the shot. Uhm, it does work like you say so. If they can actually mind control then they could've indeed killed Bum in the first night. However, that still leaves town at a 4-1 advantage in the IG and they didn't like those odds i bet. | ||
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First off, tnkted swapped Lemonwalrus and Bum. Therefore, the DT check on Lemonwalrus was redirected to Bum, who returned blue, making the DT check useless. The items: There were 5 item game players alive: Annul stole from Tackster, he got his mood ring. Jackal has had his bandages stolen from him. He seems to have either tried to use them, or was stealing from someone, but was unsuccesful. Coagulation claims he fired at Tackster. Lemonwalrus defended his own item. Tackster stole the bandages from Jackal. Alright, everyone accounted for. Then, the big mystery: who shot who? Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him? So the person in this story is more then likely Coagulation. However, he fired his shot at Tackster, not annul! That doesn't make alot of sense. There was also another shot on annul. The money question is: was this from the red or the black party? No way to tell for now. Next up Gmarshal was minding his own business. Suddenly he was kidnapped and wrapped in duct tape. His kidnapper left. Then someone else came back with a gun, and shot him. Well, that's weird. The kidnapping part is hard to explain here, maybe a roleblocker? I don't know. However, considering he was a bodyguard, the shot was more then likely fired at the mayor. Funny enough, the mayor was bussed with Lemonwalrus, so the shot must've been either directly on GMarshal (why would they do that?) or it was meant for Lemonwalrus. Mystery's. Someone wasn't as sucess full at killing people. Another person started giggling at gifts he left people. Another person drove his bus around, confusing a few people. This indicates a lot of things: 1. Someone failed to shoot someone. Maybe red shot a black, maybe black shot a vigilante, maybe either one shot a medic'd person. Who knows. 2. Someone left gifts. I'm not to familiar with mafia roles but this probably indicates a Mad Hatter role? Not sure. 3. Another PERSON (note how it's not plural) bussed someone. That indicates only one person got bussed. Now, let's figure out who shot who. Avaible shots: Coagulation: 1. Mafia: 2. Black: 1. 1 of the shots failed, 2 of the shots hit annul, 1 shot killed GMarshal the bodyguard. Now, let's look at the following fact: Black has no interest in the item-game. They're already a man down, they lost the item-game and their CEO is dead. They're behind big-time, and speeding up the item-game would only be detrimental to their chances of survival. Let town and mafia fuck around with IG, they can start picking people off. So, there's two possibility's: black fired randomly on GMarshal and got lucky. A chance of 30-1(darmousseh)-1(bum)-5(item-game players) = 1 in 23. I don't like those odds. Possibility two: they fired at the person that survived. Far more likely, they could've fired at a veteran. Then, we have Coagulation's shot. He claims this was fired at Tackster. There was no bus-driver to swap them around, and since Tackster was still alive, this is obviously bullshit. Lying about who you fired on, that's not very nice of you, Coagulation. Care to explain? Finally, there's our mafia shooters. 2 shots. Obviously, they're not gonna hit the same person twice. So their shots were aimed at Annul, and either Lemonwalrus or GMarshal. Annul would make sense, he's an item-game player, and they're thinning the numbers so they can win the item-game. Then, the other shot: this was fired at either Lemon or GM. However, since mafia is so focused on the item-game at this point, it wouldn't make sense to randomly start shooting outside of the item-game. The possibility of them firing at Bum is so retarded i'm not even going to mention it. So, they fired their shots at Annul and Lemonwalrus. Two logical choices at thinning out the item-game. However, due to tnkted's interference, Lemonwalrus was saved. Therefore, the conclusion I draw is the following: Black used their shot to hit somebody that survived the assault. The failed shot in the post. Red used their first shot on Annul, eliminating him. Their second shot killed GMarshal. Either they directly fired at him (VERY unlikely), or they decided to hit Lemonwalrus, and got pwned by tnkted. Coagulation hit annul. Why would he do that? The only explanation in the thread so far has been mind-control, which seems like a long shot to me. However, it's also the only shot, as no-one else can explain what happened. If anyone disagrees with this analysis feel free to say so. | ||
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Care explaining what i misread rather then just saying i failed? | ||
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Black's shot would've gone to GMarshal, since they didn't really know who to hit and just randomly picked him. Annul got shot by the reds and Coagulation then, the question still remains: why or how did coagulation end up shooting annul? | ||
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On March 29 2011 03:26 deconduo wrote: Coag stood over the dead body of annul and wondered what happened. Clearly not indicative of freely choosing to shoot him. Hmm, yeah, you're right. Mind control powers then i guess. | ||
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Why would mafia try to shoot Kav when their interest is in the item game? | ||
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On March 29 2011 08:03 Jackal58 wrote: So much this. Where the fuck is our mayor. Why is Tackster 100% scum then 85 - 100% scum. And wtf is the goddamn deal with Annul. I'm starting to think the only reason our mayor is blue is because he's still holding his breath hoping we all still fall for his bs. WTF bum. You're the goddamn mayor start fucking acting like one. I believe he said earlier on he went to sleep ;/ So it might be a few hours before he could clear things up (if he even can). | ||
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On March 29 2011 18:57 deconduo wrote: 1. Tack is town 2. Lemon is Maf 3. Kav is Black I've explained 1+2 to the best of my ability, but unfortunately TL townies just sheep whoever shouts loudest. Once again there is NO CASE against Tack that doesn't apply to any of the other item game players bar Coag. But hey, don't let that stop you. 3 is kinda cool. Kav is black and got hit last night. As he didn't know whether it was maf or town that hit him, he claimed vet to stop any suspicion towards him. He made a fatal error however, vets work a little differently in this game: I can't convince you not to lynch Tack today it seems, so we are doomed to lose the item game. At least when he flips town it clears me and you can lynch kav though. Kav, care to comment on this? | ||
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On March 29 2011 21:57 OriginalName wrote: Isnt claiming vet kinda pointless? Like Im still newbish (Nothing to do with the lurking I actually wanted to do analysis yesterday but ended up in the hospital >_<) But wouldnt scum be less inclined to hit you after you claim vet (Which kinda ruins the point of hit absorption?) He's claiming it to point out that Kavdragon might very well be black. | ||
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On March 30 2011 08:10 Tackster wrote: Ok i'm going to bed. It seems like I will be lynched. I fought as hard as I could and tried to out as much scum as possible. My information has been outed. My accusations have been outlined. All is left is to say goodbye. I figured I would do this by pinning quotes onto my staunchest adversaries: Dear Jackal: You came up with a stupid plan, You stuck to the stupid plane, You die with your stupid plan. Next time try and actually invest effort into the game. In the words of Noel Coward: Dear Coagulation: You let scum into your life, You allowed yourself to be blinded, You refused the gift of sight. Next time consider that you probably are wrong. In the words of Brian Eno: Dear Chaoser: You didn't try to be right - you simply chose to be right. That just isn't right. In the words of Marshall McLuhan: And lastly BumAtLarge: You got elected mayor You misused your power You revealed bad information You told me not to defend myself If you don't get things right start re-evaluating instead of being defensive. In the words of Massimo Banzi To everyone my thanks for letting me play with you. LSB hosted great, I had some laughs and hopefully I helped town the best I could. A shout out to my buddy in the Graveyard - i'll see you soon bro!! Ciao amici! Buona Fortuna!! @LSB Could you please give me the game info when I die? Want to see what's been happenin here! I hope you're not discouraged from trying forum mafia some more in the future Sometimes, this happens, a townie has to die for the real scum to show up. Rest assured that your death was not in feign, mafia will get what they deserve ^^ | ||
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I believe the pie-chart included in this post should explain why: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/E3xOS.jpg) | ||
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On March 30 2011 23:23 tnkted wrote: I am still extremely concerned with iGrok's rook to E-5 statement from earlier... Why has everyone apparently forgotten about that? WTF was that about? Looked like a genuine bad joke about the King affair to me. | ||
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Stop being such a crybaby. | ||
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On March 31 2011 07:17 Kavdragon wrote: The best way to do this is to make scum dive into wifom to figure out what you are going to do. This should be WIFOM enough: You're Tnkted. You're the bus driver, and there's 3 people in the item game. The mafia has been found and confirmed, it's now up to you to make sure mafia can't kill the other two townies. Do you: a). Use your anti-mind-controlling bus b). Since scum knows you've got a anti-mind-control bus, you decide to use your normal bus since they probably won't try to MC you anyway. Do you: a). Switch Jackal with someone b). Since they assume you're switching Jackal, you switch around Coagulation instead. Do you: a). Switch it to someone immune so mafia can safely gamble on who to bus b). Switch it to someone that's acting very scummy, possibly resulting in a team-kill for the reds if they gamble wrong. | ||
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Also, the Black Market thing kinda sucked from my perspective, i was the only blue that couldn't read it so i was kinda in the dark about it But i really liked the idea, added a nice twist, and blacks were simply better at using it then blue's/reds. Fail on reds side not paying attention to blacks getting waaay to much money. | ||
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Blues had to kill reds, reds had to kill blacks and blacks had to kill blues. | ||
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Then, the one lucky moment I had all game: I dt'd the right person, Lemonwalrus, only to get the result he's blue. Tnkted claims, and my check turns out to be useless since it got bussed to Bum. Next night, mafia decides that they want to kill Jackal. So, to avoid him getting mediced, they decide to MC the busdriver to bus Jackal and someone else around, deciding to pick me out of all the other possibilities. Then LSB decides that this breaks the laws of physics and boom, i get killed without it even being intended. ;/ Not to mention having to watch town fuck stuff up even more after I die, with Bum taking the cake failing to hand in his night actions in time ;/ | ||
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On April 10 2011 03:55 LSB wrote: Blind Fraged: The unluckiest person of them all: Ream! ;_; misspelling my name, that's just mean | ||
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I'm gonna stream this, can cast but i'd probably need someone that actually has a decent amount of BW knowledge as co-caster (and as compensation for my dutch accent). And yeah, dedicated thread shall be made. Working on it. | ||
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On April 12 2011 07:19 tnkted wrote: and oh shit, i need a BW cd key. Anyone willing to lend me their account for the evening? Otherwise I'll just go buy it, shits like 5 bucks now. ICCUP is free. Also, this will be the match format, right?: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/dbKS7.png) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/UQQVa.png) GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/bY3nr.png) BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/46K2c.png) BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD GoD.LSB < > BuS.RebirthOfLegenD | ||
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And yeah, sign me up for the casters list if possible, would love to help out. Can stream/observe the game aswell. | ||
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On April 12 2011 07:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yessir! Although LSB getting to play all his races back to back is hardly fair! It's only fair that you'd get to pick the maps in each matchup then ^^ | ||
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On April 12 2011 11:02 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I wanna cast but I can't drink we should all have a skype call that Rean hosts so he can stream everything. Ill edit in Rean as the streamer but I'll wait on casters till we have it finalized.Yeah, that's probably the best thing to do. I'll get working on my observing skills, but it should be fine. And casters seem to be Wiggles/Tnkted/GMarshal/Meapak/me, right? Is that okay with you, LSB/RoL? | ||
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