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I'm officially announcing my candidacy for mayor of this city. I will not be making promises or threats. I will not campaign for myself, nor will I attack other candidates. I do not believe a mayoral campaign has any meaning. Rhetoric has nothing to do with the best choice for mayor. Most of you have seen me play mafia in several games by now; make your choice based on what you've seen so far. I'm intelligent and analytically talented. I'm well-spoken and skilled in robustly expressing thoughts. I'm town-sided in this game. I'm GGQ and I'm available to be your mayor. | ||
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On March 24 2011 14:08 kevconsim wrote: Hello everyone!!! hi | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:29 bumatlarge wrote: GGQ - Kenpachi syndrome You take that back! There's nothing to post right now. I offered to be mayor, but I don't think I'm the best choice, and apparently no one else does either, so there's nothing more to say about that. I'm staying caught up with the thread, but I'm waiting for roles to come out before making my mind up about anything. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote: are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. Wow, racism. Your political career is over. | ||
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Suggesting darmousseh as primary lynch target for now. | ||
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On March 26 2011 10:55 GGQ wrote: Voting bumatlarge for mayor. Suggesting darmousseh as primary lynch target for now. Oh, hi! I know I've been pretty inactive thus far, so I'm quoting this post where I'm the first person wanting to lynch darmousseh in order to boost my credibility in this game. Quality, not quantity! I'm suggesting Lanaia and maybe Amber[Light], after going through all of their posts, as additional blacks. Less sure about reds, but Meapak and OriginalName are on my list. Let's get some suggestions of protects/investigates out there. Specific people, not just generalities. | ||
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I also have a sub point here about Lemons vest. The items list we have is: 1) A Role Checker 2) An Alignment Checker 3) A bomb (potato) 4) A gun 5) A medic style item 6) A medic style item This is insane mafia. Even though 2 of the other items are similar they are not identical. So why do we have a vest and bandages that seem to do the same things? Is that likely? Of course my item can protect others where as Lemons possibly does not need to be used. Either way I'm saying this is a tentative point to analyze. The vest is not a medic style item, it is a veteran style item. It makes perfect sense and fits the pattern of the items. | ||
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If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red. | ||
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Just so no one is confused about what this role does: The bus driver picks two players. All abilities that target either of those two players during the night phase now target the other player instead. This means that, judging from the way the Day Post was written, the bus driver picked Tackster and annul. Since it seems like annul was shot twice, that means that two shots were used on Tackster, one of which came from coagulation. I played the bus driver as town in Harry Potter Mafia (to pretty good effect, I might add :D) but the driver role is more commonly a scum role, and (given that it spreads chaos and confusion) it is much more suited to scum. | ||
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On March 28 2011 15:27 Tackster wrote: By your standards: Situation 1: I DT check and get shot. Town now has more reason to lynch Jackal (GOOD) Situation 2: I DT check and some1 else gets shot. I 'claim' a check on Jackal that can't be confirmed and we end up in this situation. (BAD) Situation 3: I steal and get the gun. We're now in the same situation as yesterday except town gets to lynch instead of leaving the kill to someone else (VERY GOOD) Situation 4: I steal and don't get gun. I am shot. Same situation as 1. (GOOD) Situation 5: I steal and don't get gun. I am not shot. We are now in this position.(BAD) So a DT check either has 50% chance for the positive result you're looking for or 50% this situation comes up. A steal on the other hand has a 66% chance for a positive result or 33% this situation comes up. Your logic is poor because you assume that each situation has an equal chance of playing out under each scenario. | ||
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On March 28 2011 15:40 Tackster wrote: On epic mafia it's the other way. Happy to learn!! Errr, I'm pretty sure that how I described it is how it works on EM, too. | ||
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On March 28 2011 15:45 Tackster wrote: LOL actually I stated by your standards. I was being pessimistic. By my standards the chances are much higher... You realise you're implying the situation YOU suggested would be worse for town right? Lastly my stats would be poor not my logic and unlike the other players in this thread that can't confirm their abilities I can confirm when I state I am good at stats. Theoretical Physics is not an easy degree to get! Perhaps not, but it has little to do with stats. For the rest of this post, I feel like you are mixed up in both your semantics and logic, but I'm just going to leave all that alone and try to be more clear. What I meant is that you are just looking at some percentages without taking the context of the game into account. Let's assume you are a green. You know that all the other townies in the IG want you dead. You know that most of the town has you pegged as scum and wants you dead. Given that your death would NOT result in town losing the item game (there's not enough KP floating around for that), there's no reason for you to try to stay alive. As long as you are around, covered in scum and drawing votes your way, you'll just distract town from finding the real scum tomorrow. If someone is going to shoot you, then you thank them and look forward to seeing jackal hang the next day. Furthermore, on the chance that you might survive (hey, you never know; it's insane mafia! look at what you are claiming now... you are a green and someone out there somewhere decided to save your ass) you would use your DT check item because you know how valuable a DT check is for town. Even if it's not from a trusted source (you)... you know you are going to die soon (most likely to a lynch the next day) so then town will know your check was true. In that situation, any town with killing power would very much like to know whether or not jackal is scum going into night 2. Instead you have simply shrugged off a DT check from you, saying that it wouldnt be trusted (guilty conscience?). Finally, on to why your logic was just bad. Take a look back at all those "situations" you listed. Compare your 'bad' situation (5) to your 'very good' one (3). The only difference between these two situations is that you have the gun in the 'very good' one. Seriously. Not only is that bad logic, it's also a possible scumslip in wanting the gun for yourself. TL;DR stealing instead of inspecting was very anti-town | ||
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On March 29 2011 06:50 tnkted wrote: I'm ok with sacrificing myself in exchange for somebody in the item game living... We just have to make sure that I'm not roleblocked. I asked LSB and apparently my bus happens before hits. So if i switch somebody, I'm killed after switching them. That means that i can switch coag with some random townie and the only chance coag has of dying is if that random townie is hit too. However, that means i'd die which would make me sad. Well, hopefully we'll win the item game and I can use the vest. I'll see what happens when we lynch before i decide what to do. I do think that if we can win the item game tonight we can win the game very quickly. Ideally you bus the IG player you think is town with someone you think is scum  . Medic + vigilante ftw. | ||
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Coagulation claimed that he had a stun gun that would disable his target's power. That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato so that it wouldn't blow up and kill the other scum who was assigned to shoot annul. Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him. That fact that Coagulation ended up shooting annul was completely accidental by the mafia. Thus the 4 kp are as follows: Red hit annul Red hit Kav or Gmarshal Black hit Kav or Gmarshal Coag hit Tackster, but was redirected by scum to hit annul because scum thought that his stun gun would stop annul's potato from killing the scum who killed annul. GG lynch Tackster | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:09 Amber[LighT] wrote: So are we confirming Coagulation as well under this assumption? This assumes that Tackster is red, which would mean Coagulation is confirmed because all of the remaining IG players are town. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:29 tnkted wrote: Ok, well if Tack dies then I could bus some other people around... Hmm... :D I'd like to recommend again that you pick someone that you think is going to get shot by mafia, and pick a mafia. Then mafia shoots their own teammate. We all lol. | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:39 Lemonwalrus wrote: My last post was 21 pages ago, in much, much simpler times. I've read the thread from then so far but not as thoroughly as I would have liked to so I'm gonna go back and try to piece things together. In the mean time, if anyone (specifically bumatlarge) has any questions for me to answer go ahead and post them and I'll try to help you out. I have a question for you. Can you confirm that your item is a vest that protects you from night kills? If so, someone in the thread earlier (jackal?) said that your vest would automatically protect you even if you were protecting it rather than using it. This seems wrong to me, so I'd like to hear it from you. Do you have to use the vest for it to protect you or does it do so automatically? And, finally, did your best block a bullet last night? | ||
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On March 29 2011 11:58 orgolove wrote: LSB, does the "no abstain" rule only apply for the mayoral election, or does it apply forall votes? Can I please see where coagulation specifically mentioned the stun gun issue? I don't remember reading Tackster talking about a stun gun at all. I went to go find it, saw that coag had about 8000 posts in this thread, and said fuck it. | ||
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On March 30 2011 00:57 Tackster wrote: [/i]That's why scum redirected Coagulation to annul; to disable annul's hot potato [b]This is not how the stun gun was claimed to work Meanwhile Tackster stole from jackal to prevent jackal from shooting him This has already been proved not to make me scummy. Tonnes of town would have stolen from jackal too. Seeing as there was no way scum thought that controlling coag to 'use' his item on annul could have worked this disproves the theory entirely! I've already explained why it would be bad town play for you to steal from jackal. | ||
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On March 30 2011 01:10 Tackster wrote: [/i]Even if you think that is true given how the stun gun was claimed to work how does your theory make sense? I don't just think it's true, it is true. See this post that you never responded to before: + Show Spoiler + [B]On March 28 2011 16:36 GGQ wrote: Perhaps not, but it has little to do with stats. For the rest of this post, I feel like you are mixed up in both your semantics and logic, but I'm just going to leave all that alone and try to be more clear. What I meant is that you are just looking at some percentages without taking the context of the game into account. Let's assume you are a green. You know that all the other townies in the IG want you dead. You know that most of the town has you pegged as scum and wants you dead. Given that your death would NOT result in town losing the item game (there's not enough KP floating around for that), there's no reason for you to try to stay alive. As long as you are around, covered in scum and drawing votes your way, you'll just distract town from finding the real scum tomorrow. If someone is going to shoot you, then you thank them and look forward to seeing jackal hang the next day. Furthermore, on the chance that you might survive (hey, you never know; it's insane mafia! look at what you are claiming now... you are a green and someone out there somewhere decided to save your ass) you would use your DT check item because you know how valuable a DT check is for town. Even if it's not from a trusted source (you)... you know you are going to die soon (most likely to a lynch the next day) so then town will know your check was true. In that situation, any town with killing power would very much like to know whether or not jackal is scum going into night 2. Instead you have simply shrugged off a DT check from you, saying that it wouldnt be trusted (guilty conscience?). Finally, on to why your logic was just bad. Take a look back at all those "situations" you listed. Compare your 'bad' situation (5) to your 'very good' one (3). The only difference between these two situations is that you have the gun in the 'very good' one. Seriously. Not only is that bad logic, it's also a possible scumslip in wanting the gun for yourself. TL;DR stealing instead of inspecting was very anti-town I'd particularly like a response to my third point there. According to you, if you steal the gun and survive, that's VERY GOOD. If you fail to steal the gun and survive, that's BAD. Wuddup wit dat? And yes, it seems I was mistaken about the stun gun, I remembered it being a simple roleblocker. Perhaps the mafia were hoping that if annul's potato blew up the mafia shooting him, at least it would take Coagulation along with them? The main problem I have with the idea of anyone else in the IG being red is that they knew Coagulation had the gun and Bum insists that it was red who shot annul (a tracker among the blues perhaps? I dunno). I'm depending on both of these things being true, so Bum had better be damn sure. If jackal, coagulation or lemonwalrus were red, then they would know that Coagulation's shot would kill annul. In fact this would be perfect because they kill annul without risking one of their members to the random potato explosion. BUT red also shot annul. Why would reds possibly risk one of their members to the potato if they knew annul was going to die from Coagulation's shot? The only answer is that they didn't know, which means that the red in the IG must be the only person who didn't know that Coagulation had the gun, which is you. Of course, it's conceivable that it was the blacks who misdirected Coagulation's shot to annul. But the blacks didn't know Coagulation had the gun either. If they misdirected Coagulation, they were misdirecting his stun gun. And the only reason that they would do that was if they were trying to shoot him and didn't want him to stun their shooter. And obviously they didn't try to shoot him (nor would they have any motivation to, since they are out of the item game). So it couldn't have been the blacks. PS, if you mosey on over to the voting thread, you'll see I still havent voted for you. I'm not unreasonable or jumping to conclusions here. | ||
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On March 30 2011 04:32 Jackal58 wrote: Bus is one way. Any visits to Coag would go to me. Including medic so ya let's not do that. Actions on me do not go to Coag. Bus is not one way, jackal. Any actions on you would go to Coag, and any actions on Coag would go to you. | ||
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But the fact that jackal isn't spamming like an asshole makes me nervous. | ||
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On March 30 2011 06:17 LSB wrote: Third party are immune from all KP unless explicitly stated that the KP can go through bulletproof. In this case since the bomb did not state it goes through bulletproof, the third party is immune from it. That's really different from regular bulletproof tbh... probably should have been stated in the OP. I've been operating on the assumption that they are just 'bullet' proof. | ||
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Anyways, if you think I'm black, tnkted, you havent looked over all my posts. I was one of the first suggesting darmousseh for bum's day 1 lynch while most people were still on annul/jackal/tackster. Yeah, I fucked up yesterday, but I was working under a couple of assumptions that I found out were both wrong only a few hours before the lynch. I wasn't comfortable switching at that point. Sorry, Tackster. GL to our IG townies tonight. | ||
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On March 31 2011 11:07 LSB wrote: Night post calculations may take a while, you guys just broke Physics FYI Take your time, make sure you get it right. Meanwhile, I'll f5 til my finger falls off. | ||
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iGrok was clearly blue btw. Also, someone thought that bumatlarge was unprotected now, but chaoser was only bg for the king, not for the mayor. Also, afaik the king could have a third bg. We don't know how many are in the kingdom. Hopefully LSB clears up what's going on with the Arena Game soon. | ||
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Maybe it was a three way village idiot scenario? We'll need BB and Pandain to clear this up. It would explain why RoL has done so little to help town, though. I guess the best way to use the Arena game is to vote in someone we think is scum and have our two town members of the Arena vote the scum person off. Gives town two lynches, basically. Can the people in the Arena be night-killed? | ||
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On March 31 2011 12:29 OriginalName wrote: its back in LSB had to do a quick adjustment. Where, I don't see it. | ||
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I said the rules are gone. They were removed from the day post, and havent been put back in. | ||
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On March 31 2011 13:17 LSB wrote: Please note, Chaoser was the final mayoral bodyguard. It was nice knowing you Bum good luck tonight! You made both the king's bodyguards the mayor's bodyguards as well? -_- Wasn't it supposed to be random? Also, for GMarshal you included his mayor bodyguard pm separately, but not for chaoser. | ||
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On March 31 2011 19:16 bumatlarge wrote: Well that was shit, jackal didnt steal the vest? WHY DIDNT HE STEAL THE VEST? Coagulation was supposed to shoot lemonwalrus as well, and jackal was supposed to steal from lemonwalrus so that lemonwalrus would be forced to protect. Neither of them did those things, so I guess the plan wasn't as clear as it seemed. | ||
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Anyways, with two blues down and both bodyguards dead, black better start hunting reds soon. | ||
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Being a starcraft fan makes April Fools last twice as long. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166527 This is Assassin in the palace, the game that orgolove was talking about. It's a completely different setup, though, so I wouldnt read too much into it. | ||
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On April 02 2011 02:26 Lanaia wrote: I kind of like that idea a lot. It could work well for us. You didnt say that when I suggested it earlier! | ||
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On April 02 2011 05:06 Ace wrote: what the...? I thought LemonWalrus was supposed to die like 40 pages ago? Yeah, we messed that up. | ||
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On April 02 2011 10:39 orgolove wrote: Apologize about the inactivity. Last I checked the thread, we were in the middle of a gigantic rules change, but still LemonWalrus was a clear target from last day cycle. I don't know if I'll be able to read the past 34 pages in the next 20 minutes to vote in time, but from the vote patterns, I see there aren't any compelling reasons the town isn't feeling like it made a mistake. Thus, I am voting for his lynch. Always disappointing when you have to vote for your scumbuddy, isn't it? | ||
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On April 02 2011 11:25 Jackal58 wrote: I don't think putting that info out at this point in time would be prudent. I will say I have easier choices to make than coag. Alright, I wouldn't have asked if you weren't both obvious targets anyway, but I guess we'll find out over time. | ||
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Once the item game was announced, Insanious posted a bunch of stuff (look over those posts) and revealed his old role and said that he was now town-sided. Since Brown Bear flipped green and his revealed alignment/role pm line up with what Insanious claimed, it seems to me that Insanious can be trusted. Brown Bear was also a lyncher/angry-villager that was trying to get Insanious lynched (that's redacted in the night post now, but I saw it before LSB edited it :D). If anyone in the arena is scum it's probably Pandain, who fill in for RoL. RoL used the excuse of being busy for not doing much of anything to help town, but it could just as easily have been because he's scum. Hard to tell. | ||
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I put you on my list of blacks pretty early in the game, and you havent worked your way off of it, btw. | ||
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On April 03 2011 05:53 tnkted wrote: Lanaia is 100% confirmed town in my book, she knows why. :D (im 99% sure that you're a girl, is that right?) Yeah I remember reading one of her blogs. | ||
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Dead people need to stop posting in this thread and join me in the damn graveyard. [/Ouija Board Message] | ||
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.I was saving that power for just such a night as this. | ||
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On April 08 2011 12:41 Lemonwalrus wrote: Us: If we mc tnkted, can we control all of his targets. You: Yes. That is just as good as telling us our plan would work, since you told us we could control his targets, not we could control his targets as long as he didn't bus himself, just 'we could control his targets', flat out, no ifs ands or buts. If you mindcontrol tnkted, you can control all of his targets. This is true, if you had successfully mindcontrolled him, you could have controlled his targets. LSB didn't lie, and his resolution of the actions didn't contradict what he said. The problem is that you didn't mindcontrol tnkted. You attempted to, but the mindcontrol didn't go through. You assumed the mindcontrol would take effect regardless of what tnkted tried to do, but that wasn't how it worked. For the record, I agree that a bus driver probably shouldn't be able to bus himself, and I think mindcontrol should have taken precedence over his self-bus action, but this is why I always pester the host with nit-picky questions about every aspect of my role, just to be sure. | ||
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