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Also, re: bus driver.
Just so no one is confused about what this role does:
The bus driver picks two players. All abilities that target either of those two players during the night phase now target the other player instead. This means that, judging from the way the Day Post was written, the bus driver picked Tackster and annul. Since it seems like annul was shot twice, that means that two shots were used on Tackster, one of which came from coagulation.
I played the bus driver as town in Harry Potter Mafia (to pretty good effect, I might add :D) but the driver role is more commonly a scum role, and (given that it spreads chaos and confusion) it is much more suited to scum.
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well maybe that can be explained by a Vigi shot that hasnt been claimed yet. or possibly a black i dunno. I told you everything i did. but its not hard to imagine something unknown to me has occurred. this is insane mafia afterall
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On March 28 2011 15:27 Coagulation wrote: OK well for the sake of the thread not getting flooded with circular arguments this is what im gonna do
Tackster is mafia. its my gut feeling and lemon walrus and jackals and annuls
can you argue about me having a gut feeling tackster? didnt think so. im pretty sure i have raped enough scum as town to be given the time of die when it comes to town listening to my gut feeling.
so that ends it.
lol wtf? When did you ever launch a successful campaign against a mafia single handedly? That is such a huge claim that has absolutely no backing. Hell, even when I make claims like that I feel a bit foolish knowing I am not anywhere near as good as players like Ver/Foolishness or the other vets, even if I am generally considered one of the better players.
so in short, I won't follow your gut just because of that. Explain your reasoning properly and account for everything and present a legitimate argument and I will listen to you. No one should trust you based off of your "gut" feeling without any actual evidential backing.
And yes, I have read and I understand what you are saying and I agree it looks fishy and I will lynch him for it. But can you explain how tack/annul were bussed and somehow Annul was still hit twice when Jackal was announcing his hit all day?
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On March 28 2011 15:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Oh I think I remembered the other part. Show nested quote + Well, looks like people aren't really using their items well. Only one person was able to use his item. Only problem is that he found himself in the wrong place. He stood over the dead body of Annul and wondered what happened. And why was there two bullets when he only loaded one in his gun? And what's up with all the blood smeared on him?
From what I recall you don't answer this. If what you are saying is correct coagulation then Annul and Tack were bussed, meaning all night actions focused on one hits the other and vice versa. The first part of the bold seems to infer that he was shot twice. Once by you, and once by another. While the second part implies that you were the one who was bussed, because YOU are the confused one. So what you are saying can't follow a logical progression of thought. You hit Tack and the mafia bussed tack and annul to save him, meaning someone else would of also had to hit tack for Annul to have gotten shot twice. But if we accept those events then we have to ask ourselves why the third party (or mafia?) would hit tack while bussing him while KNOWING you were going to try to hit him too. Something just seems off, unless you can explain that and I misread something.
You know you seem to be confusing bussing. However as the more experienced player I assume you're likely the right one.
Bussing to me means: Player A targets Player B with abilities Player A is bussed to Player C Player A now targets Player C with abilities
Bussing to you seems to me: Stuff happens to Player A Player A is bussed to Player B Stuff now happens to Player B instead
By your definition what you said makes sense.
By my definition someone shot annul. Coag aimed at me. Coag was bussed to annul. Coag shot annul. Hence 2 shots on annul.
So which definition is right?
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On March 28 2011 15:35 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 15:27 Coagulation wrote: OK well for the sake of the thread not getting flooded with circular arguments this is what im gonna do
Tackster is mafia. its my gut feeling and lemon walrus and jackals and annuls
can you argue about me having a gut feeling tackster? didnt think so. im pretty sure i have raped enough scum as town to be given the time of die when it comes to town listening to my gut feeling.
so that ends it.
lol wtf? When did you ever launch a successful campaign against a mafia single handedly? That is such a huge claim that has absolutely no backing. Hell, even when I make claims like that I feel a bit foolish knowing I am not anywhere near as good as players like Ver/Foolishness or the other vets, even if I am generally considered one of the better players. so in short, I won't follow your gut just because of that. Explain your reasoning properly and account for everything and present a legitimate argument and I will listen to you. No one should trust you based off of your "gut" feeling without any actual evidential backing. And yes, I have read and I understand what you are saying and I agree it looks fishy and I will lynch him for it. But can you explain how tack/annul were bussed and somehow Annul was still hit twice when Jackal was announcing his hit all day?
you got me. i told you guys everything i know.
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My definition is the correct one on this forum. If A shot B but B was bussed with C then A would of actually have shot C. What you are referring to I only ever saw once in ExMiMa. I can't remember what DrH called it though.
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On March 28 2011 15:34 GGQ wrote: Also, re: bus driver.
Just so no one is confused about what this role does:
The bus driver picks two players. All abilities that target either of those two players during the night phase now target the other player instead. This means that, judging from the way the Day Post was written, the bus driver picked Tackster and annul. Since it seems like annul was shot twice, that means that two shots were used on Tackster, one of which came from coagulation.
I played the bus driver as town in Harry Potter Mafia (to pretty good effect, I might add :D) but the driver role is more commonly a scum role, and (given that it spreads chaos and confusion) it is much more suited to scum.
If this is how the bus driver works it does indeed imply I was shot twice.
If one of these shots were scum that should help my case. Let's investigate this!!
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On March 28 2011 15:26 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +This is a matter of opinion. Feeling we lynch a town tonight is acceptable doesn't mean you should gamble with the vote anyway. Use some logic maybe? Nah son, it's straight up fact. Just like how there's a difference between loose and lose. That shit is grammar. That is a fact. Droppin' KNOWLEDGE!!
Completely off topic but
My friends are fucking douches
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On March 28 2011 15:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: My definition is the correct one on this forum. If A shot B but B was bussed with C then A would of actually have shot C. What you are referring to I only ever saw once in ExMiMa. I can't remember what DrH called it though.
On epic mafia it's the other way. Happy to learn!!
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On March 28 2011 15:27 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 15:20 GGQ wrote: Also, I was gonna point out what Chaoser or Coagulation pointed out above.
If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red. By your standards: Situation 1: I DT check and get shot. Town now has more reason to lynch Jackal (GOOD) Situation 2: I DT check and some1 else gets shot. I 'claim' a check on Jackal that can't be confirmed and we end up in this situation. (BAD) Situation 3: I steal and get the gun. We're now in the same situation as yesterday except town gets to lynch instead of leaving the kill to someone else (VERY GOOD) Situation 4: I steal and don't get gun. I am shot. Same situation as 1. (GOOD) Situation 5: I steal and don't get gun. I am not shot. We are now in this position.(BAD) So a DT check either has 50% chance for the positive result you're looking for or 50% this situation comes up. A steal on the other hand has a 66% chance for a positive result or 33% this situation comes up.
Your logic is poor because you assume that each situation has an equal chance of playing out under each scenario.
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On March 28 2011 15:40 Tackster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 15:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: My definition is the correct one on this forum. If A shot B but B was bussed with C then A would of actually have shot C. What you are referring to I only ever saw once in ExMiMa. I can't remember what DrH called it though. On epic mafia it's the other way. Happy to learn!!
Errr, I'm pretty sure that how I described it is how it works on EM, too.
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On March 28 2011 15:43 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 15:27 Tackster wrote:On March 28 2011 15:20 GGQ wrote: Also, I was gonna point out what Chaoser or Coagulation pointed out above.
If you are town, stealing Jackal's item was retarded. The town thing to do would be to role-check someone. If you lived or died, you would be giving the town some great information. The much simpler explanation is that you are red. By your standards: Situation 1: I DT check and get shot. Town now has more reason to lynch Jackal (GOOD) Situation 2: I DT check and some1 else gets shot. I 'claim' a check on Jackal that can't be confirmed and we end up in this situation. (BAD) Situation 3: I steal and get the gun. We're now in the same situation as yesterday except town gets to lynch instead of leaving the kill to someone else (VERY GOOD) Situation 4: I steal and don't get gun. I am shot. Same situation as 1. (GOOD) Situation 5: I steal and don't get gun. I am not shot. We are now in this position.(BAD) So a DT check either has 50% chance for the positive result you're looking for or 50% this situation comes up. A steal on the other hand has a 66% chance for a positive result or 33% this situation comes up. Your logic is poor because you assume that each situation has an equal chance of playing out under each scenario.
LOL actually I stated by your standards. I was being pessimistic. By my standards the chances are much higher...
You realise you're implying the situation YOU suggested would be worse for town right?
Lastly my stats would be poor not my logic and unlike the other players in this thread that can't confirm their abilities I can confirm when I state I am good at stats. Theoretical Physics is not an easy degree to get!
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so tackster who are you gonna vote for?
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Jackal but I'm of course saving my vote in case any new evidence pops up.
And yes I know that I can always unvote but I don't like the idea of deciding im totally right before the day is a quarter through.
You're posts are so much nicer when they aren't in caps!! Beautiful handwriting
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On March 28 2011 15:17 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 15:11 kevconsim wrote:On March 28 2011 15:07 Lanaia wrote:
15. kevconsim - I don't understand his play, he's being silly.
bold or red (both is i'm not sure of which) = scum, green = townie/blue, italics = unsure.
Can you explain why i am "being silly". You aren't contributing, you're asking silly questions, haven't posted much if anything in your views. Tell us, what are your views?
I am asking "silly" questions because this is only my second game of mafia and i dont know what all of the roles do.
Basically what you are saying is I am scum because i ask silly questions?
My views are:
Player List of People I Have Reads On 1. RebirthOfLeGenD- Seemed very very townie to me in begining. Hes at 60%townie for me now 8.bumatlarge- I trust that he is blue and that he knows what hes doing. 9. GMarshal Night 2 death by RB and another killer 11. orgolove-Hasnt read the whole thread but he said he was going to. 12. chaoser- likes to post things off of facebook and his real name is chao? 15. kevconsim- hes a really awesome person and hes cute and smart 16. Mr. Wiggles- seems town in his arguments. 17. CubEdIn- Has he talked at all? 18. GGQ- He had one really good post. I dont remember anything after that. 19. ilovejonn Seems pro town brings up good arguments and backs them up with fact 20. Amber[LighT]- scummy 26. Lanaia- Doesnt like me. Seems pro town but doesnt understand that some people ask questions when they dont understand things 27. iGrok- I dont know where i stand here.(UNsure) 28. Beneather- Hasn't posted a lot 29. Insanious- Feels scummy but he posts a lot so thats a + 30. Eiii- Doesnt seem to post a lot
Player List of People I Do NOT Have Reads On 3. OriginalName 4. Kenpachi 5. deconduo 6. Kavdragon 13. Meapak_Ziphh 21. BrownBear 23. Rean 24. tnkted
ITEM GAME PLAYERS
2.Jackal58 7. darmousseh Day 1 lynch 10. Coagulation 14. annul Night 2 death by two different people 22. Lemonwalrus 25. Tackster
I feel like were missing some major information with this but i dont know what it is? I feel like Tackster could have been tricked by someone but the only person smart enough in this list is coag. But i am the most sure that Coag is town.
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SCUM TOWNIE POLICE
On March 28 2011 15:21 Lanaia wrote:kevconsim, there is typically no reason to ask the same question a couple times. Eventually someone will get to it (sooner rather than later). If it takes too long, ask again after a decent amount of time (I'm talking a couple of hours, not a couple of minutes). You could always have googled "mafia bus driver." The first result gives you the gist of what the role is.
Whats wrong with asking? I got my question answered. I didnt think about googling and i will try that in the future.
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lol random /quote sitting in there
That is the longest post i have ever written Just to let you know
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@kevconism - What are you saying I got 'tricked' into?
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On March 28 2011 15:56 kevconsim wrote:Player List of People I Have Reads On 27. iGrok- I dont know where i stand here.(UNsure)
What.
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i dont mean you personally got tricked
I mean they tricked other people into believing that you are scum.
Which you may or may not be.
Tricked into being called scum when you are not
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