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Was his theory correct, and mafia killed him because he was dangerous? Or maybe his theory was wrong and mafia just want us to think it's right Or maybe it's right, and mafia want us to think they want us to think it's wrong... Into infinity. Normally scum will kill vet players because they do become dangerous to them and have strong analysis skills. Being killed doesn't validate your analysis though, you have to take it on its own merit. That's a problem a lot of TL towns have is sheeping to stronger players' analysis, but I think this mostly stems from a lack of analysis from the majority of town, causing a reliance on the efforts of these few. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles' Mayoral Candidate Round-up! tnkted + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 11:04 tnkted wrote: night 0 will end at this time tomorrow right? Anyway, i'd like to reiterate my plan i said before: Basically, we elect me and i promise to let the first lynch be a vote. That way, if I'm secretly scum or something I don't get a free kill, and we won't accidently elect somebody who IS scum. Or we can elect somebody else. Its not a big deal. I promise if elected to keep my nose clean though! Jackal58 + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 11:06 Jackal58 wrote: Jackal58 for mayor. If I am mayor I will not hold an election for 1st lynch. I will listen to all inputs and arguments but ultimately I will lynch who I believe to be scum. A mayor that goes with a vote is a scum candidate. Scum knows day 1 is a crap shoot. Scum knows they can manipulate a vote to town. Vote me for mayor. I'm town. I'm down. Is there going to be a separate voting thread for? GMarshal + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 11:09 GMarshal wrote: GMarshals Mayor Campaign Why you should vote GM: 1.) I am one of the better players at analyzing and breaking setups, I can demonstrably come up with working plans that benefit town on the spur of the moment, this however requires me to be alive when the information becomes available, which being the mayor would help me achieve 2.) I’ll leave the day 1 lynch in the hands of the town, I will not be like some other candidates who are going to lynch a specific player based on a grudge or “policy”, it will be whatever I feel the majority of people want, within reason, if I don’t think they are scum then I will not kill them, in the end I suspect it will probably be a lurker unless someone comes off as particularly scummy 3.) I hate inactive and lurkers and will pursue them with fiery vengeance, that’s right whether I’m mayor or not I’m going to squelch those who don’t contribute to the town, I refuse to go to lylo with a bunch of people who barely posted again, obviously if I’m the mayor then I’ll have a better shot at doing so 4.) I talk, a lot, I may not always be the best poster, but I am certainly one of the most prolific, if I am scum or third party I’ll leave a huge trail you can use to lynch me, if I’m not then my towniness will make itself manifest 5.) I don’t lie, ever, I may perform gambits, but I don’t lie (with the exception of about my role, I do reserve the right to tell blatant untruths about that), and I endorse the LaL policy, in fact if I am mayor I’ll make sure we follow it as much as possible 6.) I’m kicking my scum analyzing skills into full gear, after rereading XXXVII I’m confident that I can identify scum (or at least identify town) 7.) This is my redemption game, I’m in it to kick the mafia’s ass as payback for duping me in XXXVII, and by god I’ll do it, being a mayor would help with this. I won’t promise you victory, but I promise you I’ll do my damndest to slaughter the scum. 8.) I’m GMarshal, why wouldn’t you vote for me? These dogs dressed as bananas endorse my campaign ![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/16lla9w.jpg) Vote GMarshal for Vengeance and the slaughter of those who would oppose the good of the town !! annul + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 11:31 annul wrote: hi, elect me for mayor i am a townie with no abilities apparently (???), so give me something to do pl0x. Kavdragon + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 12:11 Kavdragon wrote: Dear Liquidia Four score and seven minutes ago our hosts brought forth in this fourm a new thread conceived in awesomeness and dedicated to the proposition that all men should post a lot. Now we are engaged in a great Mafia game testing whether this thread, or any thread so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great postingfield in honor of previous games. We have come to dedicate a portion of this thread as a final resting-place for those who here were active that that thier game might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate, we cannot hallow this ground. The brave men, posting and dead, who struggled here have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The TL Mafia forum will little note nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain, that this thread under Node and LSB shall have a new birth of activity, and that my mayorship of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the thread. Now we must move onward, with the memory of these invaluable players emrasened in out minds. But who will lead us to that play that glorious and active game? I humbly submit myself to the public office, willing to server the thread, of the actives, by the actives, and for the actives. Under my leadership, the attacks of the enemy will be rebuffed, the confusion sown by the mafia will be scilence! Inactivity banished, and analysis rewarded! I stand for a town, united in activity and lynches for all scum! So come to my banner fellow Liquidians, let us run a race that will likely be quickly forgotten! Vote for activity! Vote for Scumhunting! Vote for Victory! Vote for KAV! Be convinced, if not by my words, then by the words of those who came before me. If not by words than by the pictured I created for the occasion. If not by pictures, then by the epic music I wrote! + Show Spoiler [Text Endorsments] + From my last game: (I was mayor) On February 11 2011 10:49 Jackal58 wrote: My life for you Kav. On February 11 2011 11:46 GMarshal wrote: I vote Kav for MVP this game On February 11 2011 11:49 LSB wrote: Kav too. On February 11 2011 11:51 OriginalName wrote: Kav MVP On February 11 2011 14:15 bumatlarge wrote: Kav was the MVP by far. No one on town came close, and without him, we would still be in the game, everyone would have though me a DT still and I think it would be lylo. On February 11 2011 15:59 Barundar wrote: Town MVP: KavDragon. Ballsy to run mayor as medic! + Show Spoiler [Pictoral Endorsmants] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rYprY.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uPQtV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xP1gN.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xk6JX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CzzTt.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Music] + Vote for Victory. Vote for Kav. chaoser + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2011 12:32 chaoser wrote: You know what, fuck it, I'll run for mayor too. Reasons why? One reason: 1) I have some sort of vision while others don't really: Bum's plan also intrigues me and if a blue claims and runs I will immediately step down from running. This will be, of course, after I consider it some more to see if there are any glaring flaws in it. I'm willing to compromise in terms of the voting/not voting for day 1 lynch. I'll go along with the town but also make my own analysis as well. If I believe town to be voting to lynch someone who is 80% not mafia in my eyes I will tell town and take a stand if I have to. Aside from that, I will be a mere civil servant, at the mercy of the people. I don't have flashy pictures or heart swelling music, but I do believe beer should be cold, boots should be dusty. I think 9/11 was bad and freedom? Well, I think that's just a little bit better. | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote: I guess, but Kav also is onboard with the letting town vote thing too so it's pretty much voting v. no voting. At this point I want to see how this bum/blue situation plays out. I'm going to think long and hard about if it has a big flaw in it or not. I think the nuances will come in what you say you can offer town in terms of skills and experience. That's just one facet of the mayorship. For example, how will you use your position as an influential member of town to change the course of the game? | ||
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On March 24 2011 13:08 Kenpachi wrote: wtf you guys forgot about my campaign I just ctrl+f'ed mayor and tried to find them. I also only used ones from after the start of the game. Are you still running? :p | ||
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For me, this is really between Kav and bum. At the moment, I'm trying to figure out how much I want to trust bum's blue claim. So far, he is uncontested, which possibly bodes well for him being a true blue. However, as others have stated, and I've been considering, there is still the possibility of his being scum, even with no counterclaim. It really comes down to the likelihood of Blues wanting to make a 1-1 trade so early in the game, and before roles have even been given. I am assuming, since everyone will have a power, that blues will be much stronger than greens. There is also a disparity between the number of powerful town roles (Blues) and scum in this game, and while I personally feel analysis is a far stronger tool, most of the TL towns I've been in have been reverent of Blue's power, often to the point of reliance (Eg: XXXV). So just applying metagame, it seems unusual a blue would be willing to put himself out there so quickly and prominently. I see this either as a power move by the blues (as most people are assuming), or as a cunning play by scum. A lot of my suspicion comes from timing. Bum claimed before night 0 is over, and I would have trusted it a lot more if it was on Day 1, as he would have his role already. For example, bum could be scum, but conceivably a blue wouldn't bother to contest him until they get their roles, so they can use the weakest combination of role/player on their team to out him, which makes it harder for them, considering the amount of time bum has been uncontested, which can also be used for a WIFOM argument from him. Kav on the other hand, has no real assurances that he is not scum. So far, his posting has seemed pro-town, but he hasn't really expounded on any of his views besides that he wants to stay alive to analyze and direct the town. I've had first-hand experience with him as mayor, working closely with him in XXXVI, so I know that he is a very capable and active player. Before I'd vote for him though, I'd need to hear more about what he'd do Day 1 lynch, and what other things he'd try to do with his longevity. So, in short, I feel both Bum and Kav would make good mayors. Kav based on personal experience with him, and Bum on the condition of being blue. I'm still trying to evaluate the likelihood of a Night 0 blue claim though, because I really don't like the timing, and would like to see if there are counterclaims Day 1. Hopefully if Bum isn't blue, someone would eventually counterclaim, because blues wouldn't want to let scum become mayor. I also don't think the lack of Night 0 counterclaims really strengthens his claim in any way, because as I've said, blues probably wouldn't counterclaim until Day 1 anyways, when they can make a much better choice of counterclaiming player. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:01 Lanaia wrote: What I'm wondering is what if bum isn't blue and blue isn't around/isn't paying enough attention to cc him. Is that possible? For example, there are still some people who are inactive and that guy who is banned. I'm not sure about that. That would mean 4 players, all blue, are all inactive. Like I said, I really wouldn't expect a counterclaim until day 1 at least. Let's say, there are 4 blues, and these are their roles and skills: Blue #1: 3 shot day/night vig Blue #2: Veteran Blue #3: Medic Blue #4: Mad Hatter So, barring any huge discrepancies in scum hunting ability, the Blues would be likely to send out the Veteran before the other players, but if they sent out a player to counterclaim before Day 1, there is a high likelihood they'd send out one of their players with a stronger, more useful ability. It would be reckless. Also, Darmo's unbanned now. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:10 Rean wrote: Doesn't this go both ways though? If red/black intends to CC, they'd wait until day 1 so they don't need to risk sending out their most powerful member. I guess it would work both ways, but I still think Blues would like to wait until Day 1. Keep in mind, everyone has roles in this set-up, and scum has extra abilities too, like KP and bulletproof-ness, so Blue roles are likely to be very powerful in comparison to town and possibly scum roles too. I'm still standing by what I said, I'm not going to trust Bum's claim until roles have gone out and more time has passed. If we approach the end of day 1, and no one has counterclaimed, he is most likely Blue, but I'm not going to trust him more simply for being uncontested night 0, when there is a huge lack of information. | ||
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On March 25 2011 06:37 Tackster wrote: @Bum now you're saying that instead of giving RoL the lynch you're giving us the lynch?? The whole point of you being elected was a clear role that wouldn't by swayed by mafia. When you decide to lynch take your own scumhunting abilities into account and try not to let mafia influence you too much when you read the posts on who to lynch. DONT leave the lynch up to a town vote.... Then we're trading any point of you being clear with the mafia's ability to influence town. Just say you're gonna take our votes into account but make your own decision and reserve the right to shoot who you want. It's the pro-town thing to do! I agree, that whether or not the lynch is decided by town vote, the mayor should make it appear that way. What I'm saying, is that mayor should make everyone in the town vote, and then decide if he wants to use that result or not. This way, maybe scum sways the vote, but mayor can still veto it, and we still get a lot of information based on people actually having to vote and contribute. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:29 bumatlarge wrote: I wouldn't really call something I do on purpose a "slip" Depends on when you were planning on claiming. After your first few posts about the mayorship, it was obvious you were blue before you even mentioned: "Hey guys, I'm blue". | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:27 annul wrote: because black players can only die in the daytime, so in the item game, i want to take a swing at someone when i control the kill, so the town doesnt get misled and start voting to lynch people not in item game So why not aim for reds either? It shouldn't make a difference to kill red/black if all you want to do is get people looking at the item game players. You would only worry about hitting blacks more than reds if you were expecting KP to kill the red, which could only come from a black, or vigi-shot. If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. So this is either bad logic, or a mafia-slip. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:32 annul wrote: "obvious you were blue" or "obvious you set yourself up to appear as if you were blue" he may or may not be blue. do not assume he automagically is. Well I mean obvious he was blue if he really is blue, and isn't just faking blue. He made it look like he was blue, and now that you mention it, hints like that could be either slipping, or scum looking for a follow-up. I'm still waiting on Day 1 counterclaims though. | ||
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On March 25 2011 07:59 annul wrote: are you retarded? the ONLY WAY we win the item game is to use a DAY kill (mayor kill or normal lynch) on the black player in item game (assuming no nonstandard abilities). therefore, of course i am going to try to find the black player in item game if i am elected mayor. There are currently 4/4 Townies remaining. There is currently 1/1 Mafia remaining. There is currently 1/1 Third Party remaining. No need to resort to personal attacks, maybe this is just another case of you failing to read the OP. If you hadn't noticed, but in addition to one third party player, there is also One Mafia in the item game as well. So, it seems like a huge slip, when you say you want to try to kill the black player, and make no mention of the red player also playing in the item game. The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist). From my point of view, that looked like you're red, and you screwed up only mentioning gunning for the black player, who if you were red, would be immune to NK, and thus a huge threat. | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:13 annul wrote: "The ONLY WAY (As town) to win the item game, is to use a DAY kill, to kill BOTH the red and black player, (barring vigi's if they even exist)." this is false. black can night kill the red in item game. it seems you do not actually run all permutations before you speak. I already considered this: If you killed the black, they have no reason to really kill players in the item game, outside of if they wanted to help mafia/town. By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game? That doesn't make any sense at all, and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well, whom you were indeed aware of. So unless you want to rely on the third party killing the red after you remove any interest they have in the item game, what you say is illogical, or a slip. Town would be worried about killing the scum present in the game, mafia would be worried about killing the black first, who is immune to night kills, especially if they got a free attempt at a snipe like you would if you're elected mayor, killing the rest of the greens would be easy from there. So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red? | ||
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On March 25 2011 08:25 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I already considered this: By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game? That doesn't make any sense at all, and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well, whom you were indeed aware of. So unless you want to rely on the third party killing the red after you remove any interest they have in the item game, what you say is illogical, or a slip. Town would be worried about killing the scum present in the game, mafia would be worried about killing the black first, who is immune to night kills, especially if they got a free attempt at a snipe like you would if you're elected mayor, killing the rest of the greens would be easy from there. So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red? On March 25 2011 08:31 annul wrote: "By going for the blacks, you remove any vested interest they have in the item game. So what you are saying is you want to go for the black player, singled out from the two scum present, so that then the black team will try to snipe the mafia in the game?" this is true. HOWEVER, if that happens, consider this: town, town, town, mayor town, red. what is the red going to do? red is now DISINCENTIVIZED to kill item game town at night. there will come a time when it is mayor town vs red. then the red cant actually do anything about it. oh hey we fingered the red, hes dead, we win item game. the red is going to have an incentive to leave the town alone, forcing town to implode and their only chance is to try to get town to lynch the mayor OR buy more time so the reds can take out the bodyguards. in either scenario, it puts the ball back in our court instead of the instant win on day 5 that black has now without item game town mayorship "So why are you so worried about the black, but not the red?" read above. "and you still haven't explained why you don't mention killing the red who is present in the item game as well" am i seriously just not communicating well enough, or does he have reading problems? like honestly, who else does not understand what i am talking about? even if you disagree with the logic, at least everyone else understands my argument, right? Ok, so my point still stands. You either have terrible logic, or you slipped. The exact same scenario happens if you kill the red day 1, too. In that scenario, it will just end up being: Mayor Town vs. Black, same results. Blacks are only bullet-proof, not lynch-proof, and the only people capable of killing reds outside of lynches are power town roles. I'm saying there's no difference between going after either scum party in the item game, after you said you wanted to specifically target blacks. Black only has an auto-win in the item game if you never lynch them, so do some analysis after, and hang them before they get to the end. Red is also a danger in the item game, I'd say even more so than the blacks because of their higher KP. I never mentioned anywhere about the different mayors possible in the item game, just your insistence on the blacks without any convincing reasoning. I'm leaning to saying you are Red. If you were a green player in the item game, you would be worried about lynching anti-town forces in the item game, not just blacks. You wouldn't be worried about black's bulletproof-ness either, because you can't rely on killing powers, you'd have to rely on lynches. If you were red however, you'd love to get the mayorship, so that you could be immune from getting killed by the blacks. You'd also love to have day 1 snipe against the blacks. And lastly, you'd have an easier time lynching the black in the game than he would have of lynching you. Your reactions aren't helping. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 25 2011 09:20 LSB wrote: It would be hilarious if you guys killed the all page before Day 1 even starts  Is that a challenge? :p | ||
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