Mini Mafia V: Clues and Puzzles

On January 26 2011 15:25 darmousseh wrote:



OMG, that is the best character......which Q though?

On January 29 2011 12:39 LSB wrote:
I glanced down at the articles. The pirates had captured the fort and held control, it was a 12 hour hostage situation with the governor trapped inside. Negotiations failed, and the Navy had to be called in. Under the cover of the cannons, the redcoats stormed in and ended the situation. Sadly the governor did not make it out alive.

I replied “The pirates are getting bolder and bolder. Good thing the Crown protects us”.

“But why? Why did the pirates take over the fort?”

I thought for a moment, “Money? Certainly a governor is worth a large ransom of pounds”

LSB replied, “My dear Kav, that indeed is the question. ”

---

Minutes later LSB received a phone call. He turned to me and spoke, “Come with me, the commissioner has another hostage situation.”

Apparently, it was the British East Indian company this time. Their shareholder board was conducted a meeting, and an unknown group broke through. Currently the whereabouts of the shareholder board and the group is unknown. The police are operating under the suspicion that these are pirates, possibly connected to the pirates that captured the fort.

As we arrived on the scene, I immediately headed to the meeting room. LSB stopped me and asked me “What are you doing?”.
“I’m going to see if I can find anything about the pirates, maybe they left things behind.”

LSB thought for a moment, and said, “Fair enough, tell me if you find something.” And split.

I paced around the room and took notes on everything I saw. There was relatively little bloodshed. Random splotches of bloods. An unorganized attack. Curiously enough, I would expect the body of the guards to be located around here, but they were strangely absent. Besides the blood, the only thing that gave any indication of what happened were the minutes, still resting on the table with the feather pen beside it, notes unfinished.

Something was wrong, the feather pen did not seem like it was in the right position. As I looked down, I realized that the last line was crossed out, and obscured by red ink.

The Inspector walked behind me. “I see you’ve noticed it,” he said. “The same thing happened at the Governor’s fort.”

I asked, “The crossed out message?”

The Inspector replied, “Not just that. You’ve probably read the papers, but you probably don’t know thing. We never saw our negotiators. The demands of the pirates were attached to arrows and shot. The notes? Written in blood.”

Horrified I looked down on the minutes… the red ink… it was blood.

He paused for a moment. “When we finally broke through, I could not find them. They were missing…”

I asked a question. “Wait, missing?”

The Inspector answered, “We never found bodies, just blood. They negotiators could be still alive, but that’s impossible, there is no way they could have just disappeared, the bodies must have been hidden.”

And I asked one last question, “So, did you interview any survivors?”

The Inspector replied, “No, the pirates killed everyone. And the pirates themselves? They would rather kill themselves than be captured”

At that moment LSB came back and muttered, “Empty, it’s empty.”

And at that moment, the wall collapsed onto LSB, and he disappeared in a giant burst of gravel.

On January 30 2011 06:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


This is a dumb defense. If LSB had never watched/seen Naruto he'd have nearly no way of knowing all of that. And you can just as easily say with any one that "sure the story fits my character in X way but not in Y way" because there are very rarely perfect clue situations. If Node got the impression that gravel was a fair connection to Gaara then that could very well be what LSB was thinking when he wrote the clue. I'm not saying it's you but this doesn't actually rebutt anything Node was saying. The fact that you were that defensive when he didn't accuse you (and actually said the story doesn't really fit you overall) makes me more wary than anything.

On January 30 2011 08:43 Jackal58 wrote:

Actually there are 3 that really have no attachment unless you really stretch it.

1. chaoser Holden Caulfield - Catcher in the Rye doesn't set off anything
2. darmousseh Gaara - Gravel
3. CubEdIn Raiden - Teleportation - No bodies
4. GMarshal Jonathan Swift - Unless this includes Gulliver's Travels nothing but perhaps time period
5. shannn Q Omnipotent character that can do anything. Including everything in the day post
6. Node Dinosaur Comics Main Cast - Other than squashing log cabins not much
7. Jackal58 Ilich Ramírez Sánchez Comparing pirates to terrorists
8. DoctorHelvetica Thom_Yorke Eye Patch, Eraser, British
9. Mr. Wiggles Yossarian Bombardier, Missing peoples
10. Kenpachi Zaraki Kenpachi Captain, Eyepatch, Blood
11. Pandain Ling Ling Dead Panda. Not much.

Perhaps this is the "puzzle" part. 3 that aren't connected?

On January 29 2011 14:54 chaoser wrote:


I was thinking exactly that. Jonathan Swift was always looking to make it big in society. He tried unsuccessfully to political position so maybe that's why the pirates took governor hostage. It wasn't money they were looking for, which Holmes alluded to, it was power.

Also, the pen and crossing out might be referring to the fact that he revised Gulliver's travels many times. In Gulliver's travels, he, for a while, worked with pirates to travel to different lands.

All of this though, is only loosely tied to what's written. I still don't know why the pen "being positioned wrong" and the "it's empty" means. What is empty? The place? Is the fact that it's devoid of life the clue?

Please note, the setting of this story, Britain in the 18th century, does not have anything to do with the mafia. Also because I didn’t want to research stuff that wasn’t going to be relevant, I’ll be using modern terminology

On February 01 2011 12:01 Pandain wrote:
Wait so the fifth picture is a red herring?

Let's just get out a description of each thing:
1.Drop the bomb, exterminate them all. Angry statement, from apocalypse now(the movie). The movie was about a guy who was worshipped as god or something.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypse_Now
2.Lego's, 4 guys over two dead robotic things. Aliens?
3.Snow, no evidence of any person, but tracks. A single tree. Where is this picture from?
4.Magic tricks, hocus pocus kit.
5.Music.

On February 02 2011 05:42 chaoser wrote:
##Vote Kenpachi

How's that for a stance?

On February 02 2011 06:54 Pandain wrote:
Honestly this is a bit wifom, but I think the music clue is way too obvious. Especially after LSB got a little "called out" for being a bit too obvious on the Carlos the Jackal thing, then having a music sheet be a clue for a musician? That's too obvious.

Furthormore originally I thought the youtube video was a good find, but its fan made and the other pictures don't relate to him really at all. Finally, on a non-clue standpoint, Dr. H is one of the few people I feel is really pro town. He voted Jackal early, warded me against trying to get someone else lynched, and overall has been pretty pro town.

But actually I think the clues might point to someone else: Q, from Startrek.

The first picture, which says "drop the bomb, exterminate them all." Q in several Star trek episodes, notably "Neverending Trial", said that Humanity should be destroyed. Usually he had a request, "Do this or be destroyed" but the basis is the same.

The second picture, with aliens, well that's pretty obvious. An obviously non human entity is killed by other humans. Note the strange creature is even holding what appears to be a laser gun.

As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.

The fourth picture is obvious as well. A magic card set, and Q can do things which appear as magic.

The fifth picture I believe is the red herring. It was set to cast suspicion most notably upon Dr. H.

On February 02 2011 07:03 chaoser wrote:
I'm horrible with clues, especially this one since I have no idea where to start. That's why I'm doing more analysis of posts and why I voted Node even though there weren't anything in the clues that talked about him. And that why I'd prefer Kenpachi to be lynched given my read through of his posts. If i had to pick between Dr.H and Cube though, I'd pick Dr. H just cause of the semi connection he has to Kenpachi. If he flips red, we probably have our last mafia.

The idea that Jackal's death was bussed is still very much in my head. The way I see it happening is like this. Wiggles and Node provide really solid analysis of the clues and the mafia, seeing that he'd probably get lynched, jumped first to bus him before any townie could vote for him. When he flipped Red, the first person (Dr. H) could always fall back on "why would I bus my own teammate day 1 when no one else had voted for him yet" even though in reality, he was already on the chopping block, mafia just wanted to seem pro town. With Kenpachi's little remarks about how Dr. H is the most pro-town, people would start to think, yeah, maybe he IS pro town and not mafia at all.

If you notice, wiggles, node, and shann already put a lot of pressure on Jackal already in the beginning. Dr. H was too busy talking about pandas and whether they eat people or not and all of a sudden busts out with this:




when his previous posts had all been talking about pandas with Pandain and darmousseh

On February 02 2011 07:30 Pandain wrote:


Except it really doesn't. Like last day really didn't fit you at all, besides that they both killed people/were bad. It fit Jackal like a key, and so does this day.

And you could defend yourself every day, even if mafia, by saying "Well since my character can do anything, all clues can point towards me." When really they can't. Like the music clue, for instance.

As for the picture of tracks, in the snow. I think this might be related to him in that he could do anything. Such as teleport, turn invisible, and so forth. So when you see tracks but no person, that immediately pops into my mind.

On February 02 2011 08:25 Node wrote:


This is very poor reasoning. Granted, Q has the ability to do anything and everything, but the things Pandain pointed out (with the exception of tracks in the snow) have to do more with his character (the things he has said and done) and less with his abilities. For instance, showing an alien creature surrounded by spacemen is a very strong link to Q's character and the experiences he had.

It's WIFOM, but saying "Q can be and do anything" is as much a way for you to deflect suspicion as it is to put it on you.

On February 03 2011 03:19 chaoser wrote:


Condescending play is condescending. Something mafia would pull when they're in a bind. There's no need for it if you're town. I've done it before as mafia, and I've seen others do it as well. When Cubein flips green, you do realize you're on the chopping block right? If he flips red, well mafia should just give up at that point since it's an almost full town.

On February 03 2011 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


wtf these assumptions are terrible

why is it "unlikely" that both me and cubedin are green? that's stupid. why does knowing my alignment have anything to do with kenpachi? i don't really understand why anyone would think any of these things.

On February 03 2011 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Unvote CubEdIn
##Vote Chaoser

I feel that this is gonna be a youngminii situation with me and CubEdIn. Chaoser is pretty transparent and the mafia would be too desperate to bus. Chaoser played kinda scummily in Salem Mafia though (where he was green) but not this bad.

On February 03 2011 10:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


Alright I wanted to respond to this earlier but I had class. I'd like it if everyone carefully read this and thought about this (what I'm going to say.)

1. Yes, it is reasonable that both CubEdIn and myself are red. It's unlikely though. This means I already bussed Jackal and am now bussing CubEdIn. I like using the bus but that's just too risky. I like to play really risky styles as mafia but that's too much. It's not an impossibility. I am not "innocent" if CubEdIn is red. It looks good for me but it is not proof. The only proof is death in this game.

2. Yes you cannot base someones role on their past. That's my point. I'm saying Kenpachi's posts are not "pro-town" or "pro-scum". I can not read them at all. They're inconclusive. Let's look at the most obvious example of bad play, NB.

In every game as town NB contributes nothing to the discussion. He just asks questions, says "oh im gonna read this and put my thoughts later ok" and things like this. This looks wishy washy, like he's making excuses for inactivity. He does this as town because he is bad, doesn't or can't analyse posts, etc.

In every game as mafia NB does the exact same thing. While it is very noticeable when Ace contributes bad/fake analysis, distracts town, acts wishy washy, jumps on easy bandwagons it isn't the same for Kenpachi. Kenpachi will do that as town and he will do it as mafia. My opinion on his posts is inconclusive. I don't want to lynch him because it's just a coinflip.

The other idea is that if Chaoser says "Player X is really scummy" and I say "No they aren't" then that is the same as a scum defense. That isn't a very strong connection to him. Town players defend other town players constantly and that sort of thing is only worth talking about after the fact.

If Chaoser defends others, I don't really care until he's dead and i know his role. If he's mafia THEN that becomes important.

But I really don't know what to say. I keep saying it but no one listens. There is little point in analysing kenpachi's post behavior right now because this is how he plays across the board early on in the game. Look at him in Salem Mafia Day 2 or Pokemafia. It's the same shit and he was town both times. Maybe some of the behaviors are "scummy" when applied to a large player group but they don't really apply to him. That's just the way it is. Until clues point at him, I wouldn't even consider lynching him. Because post analysis is LOST on players like Kenpachi and Coagulation and NB. We got Coag in Insane Mafia because he was DT checked. Then I was able to figure out Pandain was mafia too but town let him live for some reason.

Also this is not true that mafia only defend mafia. Honestly, it's most common that mafia IGNORE other mafia completely. Or even attack other mafia aggressively to stage disagreement. I see mafia attackin eachother or ignoring eachother more often than I see them defending.

Go read my Experimental Mini Mafia game to see that happen. Read Salem Mafia early game and see how mafia just avoid talking to each other altogether and never refer to eachother by name in posts. It is extremely rare that you see this kind of early comradarie. If Kenpachi was mafia and I was mafia it would be retarded for him to come forth with this worship of me calling me his favorite poster or whatever.

It would be smart if he was mafia/i'm town, since if he died the remaining mafia could push suspicion on me easily. Mafia are looking for opportunities to turn a bad lynch into a worse one or a good lynch into one that hurts the town. Mafia defend and attach themselves to townies to throw off direction in the case of a lynch. All that speculation you and chaoser are doing is pure pure WIFOM. It has nothing to do with goals, with contributions, or anything that matters.

Kenpachi is, unfortunately, exempt from that kind of analysis because he doesn't contribute anything even if he is town and just spams mindlessly. That's the player that Kenpachi is and ignoring that is gonna result in another easy green lynch for the mafia. That's just the way it is. Has anyone else played in a game where town lynched green Kenpachi because he posted the same sort of things? Am I the only one with any sort of memory? It seems to me like Chaosers memory is built around supporting his case which is scummy.

On February 03 2011 11:47 chaoser wrote:


I voted for Cubedin, don't know what you're talking about. I voted for Kenpachi before and I still think he's mafia but getting cubedin lynched gives town info to help them make the decision/see that kenpachi/drh is mafia so I voted for him.

On February 03 2011 11:51 chaoser wrote:


ah, my bad, read it wrong. And pandain didn't vote at all.

On February 03 2011 11:55 LSB wrote:
Well I'm too busy to do a votecount, so I'll take your word for it

On February 05 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote:



By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.

There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]

Darmousseh ABC
Node D
Everyone else E

Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).

On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote:



Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.

On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.

On February 05 2011 05:02 darmousseh wrote:


The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it.

On February 05 2011 11:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though.

Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday.

On February 05 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


There is a situation that would almost 100% clear Chaoser. If that turns out then we can avoid a probably innocent lynch. Have some faith.

I think he's lying to cause second thoughts but he could be sincere. We'll see.

On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain.

On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless.

On February 06 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote:


Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green...

On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote:
List of votes so far.

chaoser:
Gmarshal
shannn
node
darmousseh

Kenpachi:
Kenpachi

darmousseh:
DrH

Notice something abnormal?
Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post.
It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched.

I'm now even more convinced that chaoser is mafia.

Pandain and Chaoser still hasn't voted yet.
This could result in a tie and no lynch if both Kenpachi, Pandain and Chaoser votes on darmousseh which makes it the best case scenario for town to get a tie.

Warning to all fellow townies to absolutely not make a tie as this would not get us anywhere. In either way either we need to get a lynch on either chaoser or darmousseh. I'm going with chaoser because I'm sticking to the plan.

On February 06 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i don't think shann has played this game before that's why he is saying dumb things like that

On February 06 2011 08:16 Node wrote:


What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous.

On February 06 2011 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Yep. Then we'll go ahead and lynch shann.

On February 06 2011 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Well we'll just have to wait until Day 3 to see what happens. I think we should vote or shann, the clues point toward him on Day 2. What makes you think I'm mafia based on posting behavior?

I think the scumteam is you and shann or node and shann. But I'm most sure of shann so I'll wait until Day 3 to figure out who should be lynched after him. Assuming I live that long.

On February 06 2011 12:29 Node wrote:
I suppose I should respond, lest people actually listen to darmousseh.



Right, because I did the clue research and wrote that whole post in the space of six minutes. I'm not going to argue that my analysis was better than Mr. Wiggles', or anything of that nature. But is your argument here really that I dashed out something appearing as clue analysis the moment Mr. Wiggles posted what he saw? I hope that the other players can recognize coincidence when they see it.

And of course you're the last person to actually vote for Jackal, long after the vote has been decided. And of course Jackal puts his vote on you, likely in an attempt to distance you two as much as possible. You want to talk about agreeing after the fact? How about this post?



DrH seems to be advocating that we lynch outside of us two before we make this decision. Doctor, are you really so sure of shann that you think he's more likely to be mafia than a 50/50 between myself and darmousseh? Town can't afford to mislynch. Of course, I know I'm town, so I think it's safer to lynch darmousseh. I agree that shann is suspicious, but I feel we simply have less to go on there.

On February 06 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


darmousseh is lying about your post behavior, you were the one to make the case on jackal58 in the first place. he's using deceptive practices and operating under the assumption that we all believe he is town. Why? Because he made a case on pandain like an hour before Pandain got shot to clear darmousseh's name? That's absurd.

Shann's post behavior is atrociously scummy though. I believe the clues from day 2 are pointing toward shann. So I want to wait until day 3 to see who is the scum between you and darmousseh.

On February 08 2011 13:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
##Unvote Darmousseh

##Vote Shann

Need to stick with post behavior. Not to mention he is the best fit for day 2. Unless your analysis is amazing I'm sticking with this and I suggest the town sheep me. Shann has done nothing except for defend himself and accuse me of being mafia really. If he flips red then we can kiss Node goodbye. If not this game is probably lost and I'd guess that the mafia team is darmousseh/kenpachi.

If you guys want to go with the 50/50 between darm and node go ahead but please do your own analysis. Read all of their posts and think about what they are trying to accomplish. Don't focus on things like inconsistency/inactivity because that isn't very important. I personally believe town is more likely to make mistakes than mafia since they are less careful about posting (no implicit guilt)

On February 08 2011 13:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol what else are you suppoosed to do except accuse/find mafia

that's the whole point of this fucking game. lol i didn't want cubed lynched and I didn't want chaoser lynched. the only lynch I followed through on was jackal58. your accusation of me being mafia is basically this

"Well you caught mafia day 1 and then you accused people wrongly but changed your mind when you figured they were probably town but because town lynched them and you ended up right, you must be mafia!"

what do you want me to do? follow through with the incorrect lynches or just perfectly pick mafia every time? dumb.

On February 08 2011 13:51 darmousseh wrote:


Shann, that was the most brilliant post ever, but I think I just figured it out.

So I promised clues and here they are.

Suspect Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encounter_at_Farpoint

Q threatens to destroy humanity for its crimes.
Using his magical powers he forces picard and the others to pass a test.
Twice he freezes people to show his power, once at a random lieutenant, then again he freezes lieutenant yar.
Eventually picard and the others discover the secret of farpoint station which is the two trapped aliens.


Clue #1 threatens to destroy humanity
Clue #2 two trapped aliens, or a reference to the fact that Q froze exactly 2 people.(the aliens are blue which is what they look like in the show too. Also one lego guy has a suit which looks similar to the one in the episode.
Clue #3 Q's freezing ability
Clue #4 Q's magical ability.


Here are some clips from the show
+ Show Spoiler +

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The final thing is that the heart of darkness is a reference to the fact that Q judged that humanity was dangerous
+ Show Spoiler +

Which is almost the entire premise of the book heart of darkness.


My new plan then is this, vote shann and town wins

##Unvote
##Vote: Shannn