EPTMini Mafia V: Clues and Puzzles - Page 3
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On February 05 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote: By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less. There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet] Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it). As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were. Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you  | ||
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On February 05 2011 02:51 darmousseh wrote: Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it. We don't know who the mafia are thus we cannot judge how good they are. CubedIn who was lynched as town should prove you this. Mafia has to come up with this plan before town because simply if they don't they'll lose the game almost 99% for sure. By coming up with this plan then they'll avoid getting both of their mafia members to get lynched and in the process hurt town a lot. It's a matter of trust at this point of the plan. Can people trust someone who could be a potential mafia even though it's highly unlikely? This puzzle is a game of damage control. Both sides will have to make a sacrifice in order to do huge damage to the other side. I will still stand by your plan as no one has come up with any better. I'm pointing out the possible scenario's how the mafia could think. I volunteer myself in combination with you as this would be a good indication for town who could be mafia as I can assume almost everyone would think I'm mafia at this point (except mafia) when you judge on the day 2 clues and everyone thinks you're town. I'm volunteering now because this puzzle can end the game in town's favor very fast if I don't volunteer as sacrificial lamb. Mafia can only resist of having me as a volunteer because then there's the possibility that they'll get revealed in doing so. They used me as a cover which I allowed them to do so in this game because I as Q fit the clues very well but not as the best. By denying this option for mafia and in combination of this puzzle it will reveal 2 mafia players in the best case possible or 1 in the worst case. What I only want now from people is to write down the possible suspects they have of being mafia in combination of day 2 clues and post behavior. I can already tell there's going to be either 3 or 4 people on their lists of suspects. When you have 3 or 4 people (with me 100% guaranteed on the list) then out of the remaining 2 or 3 people there's going to be 2 mafia assuming I'm town. A good reason for me to be a volunteer if darmousseh is town which I'm quite sure of (but not entirely). With this we can get 2 straight mafia lynches if darmousseh is town and if people can trust me of being town and let me volunteer. If I weren't town then I'm going to get lynched after 1 day anyways which is not optimal at all. | ||
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It wouldn't be optimal if I were mafia to volunteer and get lynched after day 1. It would be most optimal if I were last of the line. The more reasoning for town to trust me on my word and if it does happen we lynch green then darmousseh and me are going to be lynched anyways. Which is a sure win for town in this case. | ||
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On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain. What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page. The original plan will still get the same results. | ||
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On February 05 2011 05:02 darmousseh wrote: The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it. Ok I'm fine with that if you want to. I volunteered because having me as sacrificial lamb it would lead town to 1 mafia member and we'd narrow down the possible mafia members. By not having me as a sacrificial lamb. Town will still going to suspect me of being mafia and mafia can just go along with this. I'm just thinking ahead of mafia here. As long as I'm still a big suspect they won't kill me off at night as well to make sure town will suspect me till the end of the game. I've made my move now and people decide what they want. Just going to warn you all that we'd lose the game this way. | ||
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I already figured out how to get the remaining mafia if we use node and darmousseh as volunteers. So simple. Should be easy win for town this game. | ||
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On February 05 2011 11:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's you or kenpachi, in my honest opinion. If he flips town then I'd lynch darmousseh NOT node. I think that's unlikely though. Yes I'm aware he attacked kenpachi yesterday. Funny thing. I have you and Kenpachi still on my list. I would lynch darmousseh too if chaoser comes out as town but he was already being a bit scummy so I don't expect him to be town at all. | ||
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If Chaoser flips green then we'll deal with it. There's no point in arguing for anyone about this day's lynch. The deadline can't come fast enough tbh. | ||
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Everyone who voted for darmousseh's plan. | ||
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On February 05 2011 12:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There is a situation that would almost 100% clear Chaoser. If that turns out then we can avoid a probably innocent lynch. Have some faith. I think he's lying to cause second thoughts but he could be sincere. We'll see. On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain. If chaoser isn't mafia then lynch darmousseh after for thinking it up and volunteering node. Either way we're going to get a mafia. Only downfall for this is if node is mafia. That would be mind blowing. | ||
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Think about it. Chaoser has now revealed him being supposedly medic. We don't lynch chaoser would mean lynching between darmousseh or node one of 2 being mafia. In the night mafia would be stupid to kill chaoser. Only reason to not kill him is by doing a double play. This would mean to leave chaoser alone and kill another townie to leave the townies in doubts of chaoser being a medic. Or chaoser is red. Which would mean we'd find out after we lynch darmousseh and node which would mean in town losing. The best way for town is to lynch chaoser and see what his allegiance is and then confirm the roles of Node and darmousseh and at the same time giving clues and a good analysis of post behavior this day of others. Him claiming to be a medic is the worst possible timing if you think about it. Who is he going to save in the night then when if he really is a medic is going to be the target himself in any case. So I'm going to make it simple now for everyone. Method A: - lynch 1 town to get a mafia lynch 50% guess. Method B: - lynch 1 mafia to prove 2 townies 100% Regardless of which method we choose, Chaoser will get killed. Method A would be a very disadvantageous situation for town because it'll be lylo then after night. Method A would mean from being 6-2 we will end up at 4-2 after night meaning lylo day after that. Method B would not be lylo straight away. We'll be at 5-1 after night giving us time to analyze everyone and then we can permit of having a few town be lynched and still not lose. | ||
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On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless. I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic. That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan. You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!? Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time. | ||
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On February 06 2011 07:29 GMarshal wrote: Or you are mafia and this is your game winning plan, lynch chaoser and node and assure your victory. Of course I'm pretty sure that neither you nor Node are mafia, which means chaoser is, but if he flips green... We all agree that Node is town which is still a risk to do so. Going by this we should lynch darmousseh first if chaoser were to be town. Darmousseh would be stupid to come up with this plan because we all know that Node is the most guaranteed person to be town. So darmousseh that pm'ed drH should probably know this as well and drH as well which makes me very suspicious of drH for knowing everything which is the most worse possible thing as a townie to do. To pm someone who is still unsure of being town. We should just stick to the plan and go from there. Why change now. It's only smart from mafia to confuse townies. Kenpachi already switched and DrH himself as well only for the sole purpose of saving a medic who wouldn't be of any purpose in the night. If anyone can assure me that saving a medic will result in NO kills in night then sure I'll agree to save chaoser but that's only an option that mafia can decide to. | ||
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chaoser: Gmarshal shannn node darmousseh Kenpachi: Kenpachi darmousseh: DrH Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched. I'm now even more convinced that chaoser is mafia. Pandain and Chaoser still hasn't voted yet. This could result in a tie and no lynch if both Kenpachi, Pandain and Chaoser votes on darmousseh which makes it the best case scenario for town to get a tie. Warning to all fellow townies to absolutely not make a tie as this would not get us anywhere. In either way either we need to get a lynch on either chaoser or darmousseh. I'm going with chaoser because I'm sticking to the plan. | ||
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On February 06 2011 08:05 shannn wrote: List of votes so far. chaoser: Gmarshal shannn node darmousseh Kenpachi: Kenpachi darmousseh: DrH Notice something abnormal? Chaoser hasn't voted yet. If he were town he'd try to help town by actually voting on himself as the first person by saying he's medic but willing to help town which he'll probably do after my post. It's as if he wants to be saved from getting lynched. I'm now even more convinced that chaoser is mafia. Pandain and Chaoser still hasn't voted yet. This could result in a tie and no lynch if both Kenpachi, Pandain and Chaoser votes on darmousseh which makes it the best case scenario for town to get a tie. Warning to all fellow townies to absolutely not make a tie as this would not get us anywhere. In either way either we need to get a lynch on either chaoser or darmousseh. I'm going with chaoser because I'm sticking to the plan. EBWOP: first person by saying he's medic by willing to help town. It would be best case for mafia to get a tie. | ||
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On February 06 2011 08:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i don't think shann has played this game before that's why he is saying dumb things like that No I haven't played this game before like I actually stated in this thread like page 2 or 3. On February 06 2011 08:16 Node wrote: What the hell? This is just the worst kind of WIFOM. While I agree that we should stick with the plan, are you seriously suggestion that the best reaction of an innocent medic is to vote for themselves? That's kind of ridiculous. No I'm not saying it's the best reaction I find it just abnormal that he hasn't voted yet. He says he's a medic shouldn't he then say I think darmousseh is mafia thus vote for him? That is the curious thing that I found about him. Ofcourse voting for himself like Kenpachi did is a sign of willing to help town but he didn't hence I found it curious that he isn't showing any sign of willing to help town. Wouldn't you want to help town when you're sure to get lynched in any case? If he flips green then sure lynch me first and I'll be prove to town that I'm town. But then lynch darmousseh and drh then because on of them is mafia. | ||
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