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Ok i think i found the counter, there are a lot of scenarios so please bear through it.
Me townie
Node townie
Person picked is one of the 5: Lynch => mafia.
Me townie
Node Mafia
Person picked is one of 5: lynch => green, then lynch node
Person picked is me, lynch node
Me mafia
Node townie
Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => green, lynch me
Person picked is node, lynch => me
Me mafia
Node mafia
Person picked is one of 5, lynch => green, lynch node => red, lynch me
In general
If the person flipped is me or node then lynch node and then lynch me (if neccesary)
If the person flipped is someone else then lynch that person, if that person is green then lynch me and node. (at least one green)
The worst possible outcome is 4 town 1 mafia. (minus night kill)
The best possible outcome is 6 town 1 mafia.
Since I am town this means
Worst possible outcome 5 town 1 mafia
Best possible outcome 6 town 1 mafia
This would be a volunteer job node, if you are mafia you will get yourself killed, otherwise you will help us find a mafia
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EBWOP there is no counter.
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If he is going to let us go with this plan that's fine with me 
Oh and I just realized the counter. The counter plan would be changing the plan at the last second, but if I did that it would be obvious I was scum. Vote for the perfect plan!
##Vote: darmousseh
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On February 04 2011 15:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright.
##Vote: darmousseh
If you played us witht he Pandain accusation you deserve an award. Really subtle mafia play if so.
I have no idea about pandain now, since he was hit then he's either a vet or a green with a medic or the mafia is trying to confuse us all by somehow getting the medic to protect him while hitting themselves. That would be amazing if true.
I really thought I had something solid when I found all the clues with the word heart in it. Now I'm not so sure :/
Alright guys this plan is 100% solid though. I've been trying to think of a way to corrupt it, but I can't think of any. If you find any holes please say them.
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On February 04 2011 16:43 shannn wrote:
I don't get all of this puzzle mafia thing lol.
So if I understand this right.
The end result will reveal a name but we don't know what side he is on right?
So if you pair him up to another person you'll know what the other side is too?
This is so confusing lol.
I don't get at the part of darmousseh what happens when both are town.
From my understanding it's if no corruption means we'll get a mafia name? Else we get a townie name and then we figure out what the other is after we lynch the townie?
Basically we need to get 5 messages to the person. As long as we send the 5 messages uncorrupted, we will get the name of a mafia player. If one of the messages is corrupted, then we will get the name of a townie (we won't know that the message is corrupt). In order to corrupt a message, there have to be at least as many mafia or more sending that message.
So in my plan, if node is mafia, then message D will be corrupt which will cause the name revealed to point to a townie since the # of mafia giving the message (1) is greater than the # of townies giving the message (0).
My plan works based on the logic of the puzzle. In any scenario we will get the name of 1 mafia. I am town and if node is town then messages A B and D will be good. Message C will also be good since everyone is sending message C and message E will be good since we have 5 people sending it and there are at most 2 mafia in the game. This means we will get the name of a mafia whom we can lynch.
You can read about the other scenarios in the post above. Ask if you have more questions.
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On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Why not just do something like this?
Dmosh-ABC
Chaoser: D
Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something.
By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less.
There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet]
Darmousseh ABC
Node D
Everyone else E
Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it).
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On February 05 2011 02:26 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 01:24 darmousseh wrote:On February 04 2011 20:36 Pandain wrote:
Why not just do something like this?
Dmosh-ABC
Chaoser: D
Node: E.
No matter what we get mafia result, unless I'm missing something. By having everyone else do E as well, we can group E together and make the # of lynches required to figure out the mafia 1 less. There is a simplification of my plan too [Not proposing yet] Darmousseh ABC Node D Everyone else E Here's the thing too, if node is mafia and volunteers, then we discover him and lynch him by 2nd day, if node node is mafia and doesn't like the plan, we can pick someone else to be the 2nd likely townie, and then get a clue pointing towards node or the other mafia. If he is townie, then we will be 100% ok with the plan (unless he finds something all of us didn't catch, but doesn't announce it). As much as you think that's bulletproof there's still the possibility even though it's unlikely at this point that you're mafia. I'm not saying you are but just pointing out that your plan isn't 100% foolproof for town. You might as well be mafia and then we're lynching 2 townies untill we discover that you're mafia and then we don't have any connection to the other mafia if you were. Seems like mafia's best bet to get as less harmfull of this ridiculous good plan. By stalling enough time for town to discover mafia members as late as possible. My scenario above is highly unlikely but just pointing the possible scenario of your plan for you 
Very true, if I am mafia then this would be the most optimal choice of my plan, however, a good mafia would never have come up with the plan that will produce a mafia anyway and instead the mafia will be stalling and suggesting that we simply override the vote and continue the game normally. If you believe someone else is more likely green than myself, then suggest that person instead, but I want what is best for town and so i'm willing to volunteer for it.
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On February 05 2011 04:47 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 04:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We should absolutely stick with darmousseh's original plan. Any attempts to modify this or mislead town in a different direction will be setting off huge alarms in my brain. What do u mean with original plan? Darmousseh's plan is the same concept. Take 2 people and lynch the name we get from BC. The scenario's that comes out of it is the same from the plan he posted previous page. The original plan will still get the same results.
The will produce identical results. Just keep me and node as the two highest possible townies and go from there. I already voted so lets do it.
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##vote Chaoser
Either chaoser or node is mafia. I guess we will find out soon. I really hope it's chaoser because we trusted node to be green.
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On February 05 2011 12:14 chaoser wrote:
GL town, lynch me. and then lynch Darm after, I'm the medic.
Why the heck would a medic ever claim being a medic if they were about to be lynched? That would be giving the mafia information and free reign to kill whomever they please with fear of being blocked by the medic. If you are really the medic then claiming to be medic is the worst possible thing you could do to help us win. If you are a medic and truly have the best interest of town in mind, then it's better to claim green or claim vet.
The only scenario you could possibly want to do this is if there is a small chance you can influence the lynch otherwise and if you were a vet in order to soak up the next hit from mafia.
Given that this situation is highly unlikely, i'm now highly confident node is green and that you are mafia and am glad we won't have to waste a lynch on node or I.
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On February 05 2011 13:50 Kenpachi wrote:oh now we decide to go my way ##Unvote Chaoser
##vote Kenpachiyo dude i think Kenpachi has been spouting random shit and his contributed jackshit + Show Spoiler +no its not sarcasm just being as protown as possible
What the heck is going on?
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On February 06 2011 06:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 06:54 shannn wrote:On February 06 2011 05:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 06 2011 05:58 GMarshal wrote:
I dont believe that deviating from the plan is a good idea right now, I'm going to go with lynching Chaoser and if he flips town then lynching Darmousseh, sorry Dr.H but as you said earlier its a bad idea to deviate from the plan Do what you want but I'm going to vote for what I believe is the best move regardless. I find you so suspicious. You even tell me that we should stick to the plan and now you don't want to stick to the plan AFTER we get chaoser's name when he claims to be a medic. That's just contradicting yourself. Even Gmarshall says the same as me. It's just bad to not go with the plan which we all agreed upon. Chaoser voted for it and he should've objected against darmousseh's plan. You even first said that it's unlikely that darmousseh is mafia and now you want to lynch him?!?!?!? Sorry but you're mafia or just really stupid as town contradicting yourself whole time. lol
Lol, you are really a bad mafia DrH if you are mafia. Townies would never be this desperate to deviate from a plan. My guess is that you are going all-in with putting yourself on the line in order to save chaoser or node.
Everyone, i've been going under the assumption that DrH was green for almost the entire game giving him pms and talking strategy in order to find the best method to determine the mafia, releaving my plans before I post in the thread sometimes, but in the end I think he just was bussing his entire team to set himself up as the last mafia in order to try to win. If he can convince you to never kill him or the mafia (node or chaoser) then he has won as mafia.
Stay with the original plan and we win town
If chaoser is red, i recommend lynching DrH next.
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On February 06 2011 07:12 chaoser wrote:
I hope all the conversation revolving around my death/claim will help =D
Yeah, if you are the medic chaoser, i'm very sorry you got chosen, but then that means we know node is mafia. We will probably lynch DrH afterwards.
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On February 06 2011 07:18 chaoser wrote:
If Dr. H was mafia with me, there's no reason for him to want me alive, this whole game he's wanted me dead, he's been the most vocal about me being mafia. For him to make a switch if both of us were mafia is absurd.
That's a great point. His plan actually sets it up to save node by killing me first followed by killing you. That gives him and node the greatest chance of surviving.
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wow, alright so node is scum.
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Wow node, chaoser had you figured out right at the beginning with that random vote. You bussed the very first mafia in order to get the idea that you are mafia out right from the start. When mr wiggles figured out the clues you quickly agreed with him (in 6 mins) and then proceeded from there. Node you have had absolutely 0 contributions. Go back and read everything he has said.
Also DrH if you are mafia, great idea to keep node alive as long as possible. I'm not 100% confident you are mafia, but you are sure acting like it now. Now that I think about it cubed was right about the clues on day 2 all along. The clues on day 2 don't fit node at all, but they might fit you. Too bad cubed plays so aggressively and scum-like or we might have gone with his clues.
Now that I know node is scum, I get to spend time looking for clues in the day 2 post for the actual person to find that last scumbag.
Based on the clues on day 2, drh and shann had the most evidence against them on that day other than cubed's insane town play, since chaoser didn't say he protected pandain, he is definitely a vet and my previous clue hunting was flawed.
Time to go clue hunting again.
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Could the clues you use reference something semi-related to the character? Such as using the title of a song from a member of a band? Or using a paragraph from a book that someone wrote?
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One other question The mafia got to choose a godfather. Is his alignment revelead upon death? There is no information in the OP about the godfather other than mafia get to choose one.. I want to be sure we aren't being tricked by any flip so far.
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Node is playing amazing right now in order to convince you guys to vote for me. I have been playing pro-town the entire game, trying to find clues, analyzing (even if it was fail) and helping. Node has not had a single contribution the entire game. When we mentioned the plan, node said nothing. I even thought node was town when i put him in my plan.I should have put someone else in node's spot so that we got mafia right away, but DrH suggested node and I went along.
I'm not 100% convinced DrH is mafia. But he seems to be going back on his word suggesting altering the plan.
If DrH is mafia he is taking a huge risk, after we lynch node (whether now or next lynch) DrH immediately becomes suspect #1, so it would seem that is a retarded idea by him since it's such a huge risk. This makes me think that the real mafia is hiding among the remaining participants.
If you guys deviate from the plan and kill me tonight, then everyone will regret it. Deviation is exactly what the mafia wants and needs since I came up with a plan that would get 100% guaranteed information. If i was truly mafia I would never have pushed for such a great plan. Look at the first one i contributed. I didn't think it was possible to get guaranteed information so i found a plan with 60% success, but I found a way to get 100% success and now you guys are being tricked into thinking that I am mafia.
I will continue looking at the clues to see if i find anything.
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