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On January 07 2011 13:56 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. It seems likely that the mafia will not have the ability to kill you during the day, so I think that we can wait on giveing you protection till you make your kill. That way we can verify your ability claim.
Then again, would day kills show up immediately, or on the night post?
Immediatly
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Also discuss when should I shoot, especially for my first shot.
I don't want to shoot that late in the day since I want to leave time to discuss about town's official lynch. We may be able to use the information resulted from my shot to decide a better lynch.
I am think of shooting at the middle of the day 24 hours after day post to leave another 24 hours for more discussion.
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That sounds like a reasonable idea to me. Let's get this discussion rolling.
I personally think that you should shoot a lurker. I doubt that the mafia will risk lurking if there is the threat of an immediate kill looming over their heads. And even if we do hit a Townie, at least non of the mafia will be lurking, and we'll be able to find them through analysis.
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On January 07 2011 13:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.
Wait, does this mean that you can fire two shots the first day? One at the start, and one during the day? Or did you just mean that you can fire your daily shot as soon as the day begins...
Also, Can we begin trading now, or do we need to wait for the day to officially begin?
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aw shucks it filled up already? well i'll be watching this one, looks interesting 
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Only one shot per day. I emphasized I can shoot as soon as the game start to answer the question that I don't have to wait until day2 to shoot.
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On January 07 2011 14:47 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 13:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.
Wait, does this mean that you can fire two shots the first day? One at the start, and one during the day? Or did you just mean that you can fire your daily shot as soon as the day begins... Also, Can we begin trading now, or do we need to wait for the day to officially begin?
You have to wait for the day before submitting contracts
But you can start discussing contracts or deals right now. (PMs are allowed btw)
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I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch.
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I don't think that it's necessarily that dead of a game, even if we miss both targets. We would likely still have people who would have night KP, and they might be able to pull it off. However, I do agree that it will be very shaky if we do miss them.
It seems like the town has been given a lot of power, and if we aren't careful with it, we'll get ourselves all killed. That being said, the 96hr first day should give us a lot of discussion to analyze. I've been struggling with what the town should do with their ability/item(s), and I think that the answer is just to play it by ear. If we have clear targets, then we should use the extra KP that the town has. If we don't then perhaps it is more prudent to wait till day 2. Either way, I don't see this game going to day 3.
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The game will only end if either all the mafia or all the town is dead
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Well this certainly changes a few things.
Something that I would like to point out, is that I believe that every townie has a ability, or item. This means that the town is incredibly powerful right off the bat. It wouldn't be a balanced game if the mafia didn't have something to even the playing field. Also, the town has the ability to kill at least two people today, while classic mafia would have to wait till the end of the night to kill their first person. This is a pretty huge advantage, so I'd expect something equally OP for the mafia. Let's not underestimate their abilities. (And yes, this means that I have to reconsider just how likely it is that Mafia would not be given a day KP like LD has.)
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everyone here is so boring.
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Oh we'll see about that
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On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch.
So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1?
If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say.
If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot.
If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill.
For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim.
I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
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On January 08 2011 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch. So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1? If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say. If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot. If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill. For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim. I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
What I'm saying is that using KP for the sake of using KP is an easy way to dig the town into a hole that would be very difficult to make it out of. I do agree that I'd like to see you use your KP today for the sake of verifying your claim, but depending on the result it might be a better choice to hold off on the lynch. (at the time of my post I didn't realize that town could decide not to lynch) I just don't want it to seem like town has to kill two people every day, as there are times (*cough*day 1*cough*) where this would be more likely to hurt than help.
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We have a virtual free day here. Let's not forget that when factoring in how much information we have.
Here's how I see it. We all discuss who we want to lynch. Once the day starts, LD kills them. Then we have another 48 hrs till the next lynch. Because LD has claimed, we get a free day. This should mean that we will have enough information to go by if we are all active. So heck, why not start voting?
LD-Lynch: Vote Annul
Reasoning to come...
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Game hasn't began. So please explain your reason, preferably before game begins.
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well the game hasn't really started yet and I haven't read much. But after tomorrow I don't work for like 4 days so I have plenty of time to obsess over this game.
;O111
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On January 08 2011 15:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I have plenty of time to obsess over this game.
Please do!
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On January 08 2011 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch. So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1? If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say. If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot. If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill. For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim. I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
I think he is just saying that it might be better to not use your shot the first day because we don't really have a lot of info on who to kill during day 1.
If we miss both shot shots during the first day, it will be lylo the next day 2-2. But if we don't use it and miss the first day it will be 3-2, and still LYLO. So I think it would be more beneficial if you use it during the first day.
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