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Merc Micro MafiaCash is king.
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Introduction:
Mafia is a deceitful game. It’s a game of how many people you can trick. The objective of the game is to kill all mafia members before they do the same to you.
Either you’re screwing others, or you’re being screwed. Nothing Personal. Just business
+ Show Spoiler +Rules: Cheating:Cheating includes (but is not limited to): 1. Posting after death. You may have one polite goodbye post, but it may not contain any potentially game-changing information. 2. Ruining the game by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 3. Logging on to someone else's account / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. 6. Posting any PM you receive from a host. 7. Getting yourself modkilled to help your team. Your non-majority-decided death may not be used as a bargaining chip. 8. Signing up more than once using smurf accounts. Cheating is not tolerated here. The punishment will be severe.Posting: Mod Font:This is mod font. It is reserved for moderators. Please do not use it.Question Font:This is question font. Use it to ask the moderators questions about the rules.Activity:You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Spam:Spam is encouraged, so is off-topic material. Do discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Editing: Editing is not allowed for any reason. Editing will result in a warning. After that, you will be modkilled. This is the one part of the site where it is okay to be double posting, even triple-posting. While I ask for everybody to post as concisely as possible, post again if you have to edit anything Inappropriate posts:If you want to post something insulting or inappropriate and know the TL mods would have a problem with it elsewhere, don't post it here. If you do, you will be warned. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled and banned from future games. The hosts have the final say on what is inappropriate. Play to win.
Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in this thread. Please keep votes there, and only vote there. Do not PM me your vote. 2. Please vote in the following format: ##Vote LSB. Votes not done in the correct fashion will not be counted. I will update vote counts whenever I get the chance. 3. No conditional voting. 4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. You may vote for ##Vote No Lynch5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins (or loses). 6. Voting is mandatory. You may (NOT) abstain.
Signups: This game is open to anyone with preference for active players. Signups will remain open until either A) TMM3 is over of B) Enough people sign up that are not in any other games. This game follows the TL Mafia Ban List. If you are modkilled, your punishment will go beyond being eliminated from this game. Please refer to it for questions about your punishment.
Game-specific rules:
Clues:
There are no clues.
PMs
PMs are allowed in this game.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (24 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 11:00KST, but that is subject to change.
Money
You start out with 1,000,000.00 Kronos.
I will reply to all PMs with an update on how much Kronos you have.
Contracts
Contracts must be of this form + Show Spoiler +
For example + Show Spoiler +LSB
Pay 2,000,000 Kronos
Artanis[Xp]
Kill Foolishness before the start of day 3
Both parties must PM me the contract, and I will approve of the contract. All Monetary and Item transfers will occur immediately.
If you cannot fulfill a contract, you must return all items and money you received. If you cannot do that, loan sharks will come after you.
LSB Banking Industries is not responsible for losses due to poorly written contracts
Roles
There are 5 Town. And 2 Mafia. (Depending on interest)
Role PM Example
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Alignment: Town
Ability:You have 2 RPGs that you may sell. RPGs may be used as a KP, or with a KP in order to break a bulletproof protection (Two RPGs may be used at once)
However, you are unwilling to get your hands dirty so you cannot use the RPGs.
Current Inventory: 2 RPGs. 1,000,000 Kronos.
Unless stated otherwise, you can use items whenever you want.
I will not tell you what an item does. So buy wisely
FAQ
+ Show Spoiler +Does mafia have KP?Yes, 1 KP a night What happens to dead players?Their money and items are destroyed Will there be awards?Of course! Can I throw Items away?Yes Just send me a contract For Example + Show Spoiler +LSB Banking reserves the right to refuse to accept certain items
Is money actually worth anything?
Yes, some abilities require money to work.
Credits:
Thanks Qatol! And everyone else who help made mafia possible
If you have not read all the rules, go back and do so. I will not compensate for ignorance!
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Player Roster
1. Node
2. Annul
3. LunarDestiny
4. Nemesis
5. chipmonkey
6. RebirthOfLeGenD
7. Kavdragon
6 of 7 players remaining
2 of 2 Mafia members remaining.
Current Mafia KP = 1
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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United States2186 Posts
This would seem cool if there were more players.
7/2 is really limiting.
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Mainly this game is a test for Insane 2. But if there is lots of interest, I could easily expand it.
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Agree with Ver. This would work better with more people. Curious to see how the items are distributed though because its impossible to tell if this is balanced otherwise.
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I've got the feeling this game is going to be quite short.
We shall see.
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I have a feeling that this will be a short but fun game with lots of surprises!
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New Idea! You can use your item/actions during the day!
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Sounds fun, I'll give it a shot.
/in
On second thought, I'd rather avoid a fancy variant for my first game,
/out.
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I think you missed something:
This game follows (does not follow) the TL Mafia Ban List
I also agree with Ver. This would be so much cooler with like 20 or 30 people and without lynches.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Seriously, why does TL Mafia have such a trouble with editing posts when you can?
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If Qatol, Ver, and Incog are willing to play a large game, I'll most certainly expand it!
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Hmm I will have to consider this. I am still raging at the last game I played in.
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Basically you'll get some items that you can trade with other people.
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/in
none standard game ftw.
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On January 05 2011 12:56 Pigsquirrel wrote:
Sounds fun, I'll give it a shot.
/in
On second thought, I'd rather avoid a fancy variant for my first game,
/out.
This guy is missing some crazy actions. As long as people remains active, the game will be fun.
My first game was caller's ROTK game where there was no role list, mafia betrayal for justice, and epic bus claim which confused the heck out of me. Game was still fun though.
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On January 05 2011 13:07 LSB wrote:
If Qatol, Ver, and Incog are willing to play a large game, I'll most certainly expand it!
Sorry, my free time window has pretty much closed. Maybe I'll play a game after finals in May, but it is unlikely that I will play before then.
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/in
Hope I'm not too late.
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GOGOGO. I need another game.
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Game to start 11:00 KST January 8th (8:00 PM Central Time on Saturday)
Still accepting signups!
3 more slots potentially open
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Game to start in <48 Hours
Sending out role PMs right now
You may now begin PMing each other / Discussing whatever you want / Asking questions
However, I will not accept any actions until after 11:00 KST January 8th
Note, the rules were slightly changed (Now dead player's items and money just disappear). This is to prevent someone from going rambo.
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LSB, is there a limit on when we can use items, and create contracts? That is can we use it during either day/night phase?
Also, when do the items/contract activate? As soon as you get them or at the end of day/night phase?
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You can make contracts and use items (unless stated) at any time you want
Contracts activate the moment that both players send me the PM of the contract.
Items activate immediately on use
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okay
if we cannot fulfill a contract, do we instantly die?
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On January 07 2011 13:25 annul wrote:
okay
if we cannot fulfill a contract, do we instantly die?
Contracts are between two parties. On the event that one party can prove that the other party did not fulfill the contract, the contract will be revoked and LSB Banking reserves the right to seize holdings from the contract breaker in order to undo all monetary, item, and services exchanged.
So, no. But you can write that in the contract if you want
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Woot woot! Let's get going on this.
So, yes there are alot of items and strange dynamics to this game, but this does not eliminate the need for discussion and analysis. So, with that in mind, what do we want to discuss?
Merc Mafia specific game dynamics:
*How do we want to treat the extra KP that the town has?
*The RPG can't be used by the person who has it, should we assume that the rest of the items work this way? How does this effect the town's strategy?
*It would appear that we have no traditional blue roles. There may or may not be items to fill in this gap. If we assume that everyone has a item/ability, and it's KP related, then the town has a big advantage if they can utilize it.
I have some other questions, but hopfully we can start a discussion with that.
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Like I said, Double Lynch everyday because I can shoot during every DAY, not night.
Firstly, I request some sort of protection right away. Don't look at it as scummy. If I can give town +1 KP everyday, that should be enough to be protected.
If anyone has ability (preferably item) to protect against night kill, please contact me.
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LSB: if player A contracts to player B, and A can fulfill but B cannot, does A still lose what A sent to B? Like, if it's blatantly false (assume B made shit up completely).
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I will clarify more on this double lynch.
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.
Currently I have no mean of protecting myself. I believe my role is important and deserve protection against mafia KP. The item I am really looking for is something like a "veteran vest" that protects against one KP.
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Hmm. It seems likely that the mafia will not have the ability to kill you during the day, so I think that we can wait on giveing you protection till you make your kill. That way we can verify your ability claim.
Then again, would day kills show up immediately, or on the night post?
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On January 07 2011 13:49 annul wrote:
LSB: if player A contracts to player B, and A can fulfill but B cannot, does A still lose what A sent to B? Like, if it's blatantly false (assume B made shit up completely).
Nope
For example, lets say you made this contract
Artanis[Xp]
1 RPG
Kill Infun by day 2
Annul
1 mil
Lets say that Artanis doesn't have an RPG. The contract will be revoked immediatly because I can't do the intial transfer of items/money.
Lets say that Artanis has an RPG but Infun is alive day 2 and you complain.
You get to keep the RPG and I'll try compensating you by taking 1 mil from Artanis.
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On January 07 2011 13:56 Kavdragon wrote:
Hmm. It seems likely that the mafia will not have the ability to kill you during the day, so I think that we can wait on giveing you protection till you make your kill. That way we can verify your ability claim.
Then again, would day kills show up immediately, or on the night post?
Immediatly
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Also discuss when should I shoot, especially for my first shot.
I don't want to shoot that late in the day since I want to leave time to discuss about town's official lynch. We may be able to use the information resulted from my shot to decide a better lynch.
I am think of shooting at the middle of the day 24 hours after day post to leave another 24 hours for more discussion.
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That sounds like a reasonable idea to me. Let's get this discussion rolling.
I personally think that you should shoot a lurker. I doubt that the mafia will risk lurking if there is the threat of an immediate kill looming over their heads. And even if we do hit a Townie, at least non of the mafia will be lurking, and we'll be able to find them through analysis.
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On January 07 2011 13:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.
Wait, does this mean that you can fire two shots the first day? One at the start, and one during the day? Or did you just mean that you can fire your daily shot as soon as the day begins...
Also, Can we begin trading now, or do we need to wait for the day to officially begin?
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aw shucks it filled up already? well i'll be watching this one, looks interesting 
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Only one shot per day. I emphasized I can shoot as soon as the game start to answer the question that I don't have to wait until day2 to shoot.
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On January 07 2011 14:47 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 13:51 LunarDestiny wrote:
I can shoot every DAY, not night. AND I can shoot as soon as the game start.
Wait, does this mean that you can fire two shots the first day? One at the start, and one during the day? Or did you just mean that you can fire your daily shot as soon as the day begins... Also, Can we begin trading now, or do we need to wait for the day to officially begin?
You have to wait for the day before submitting contracts
But you can start discussing contracts or deals right now. (PMs are allowed btw)
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I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch.
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I don't think that it's necessarily that dead of a game, even if we miss both targets. We would likely still have people who would have night KP, and they might be able to pull it off. However, I do agree that it will be very shaky if we do miss them.
It seems like the town has been given a lot of power, and if we aren't careful with it, we'll get ourselves all killed. That being said, the 96hr first day should give us a lot of discussion to analyze. I've been struggling with what the town should do with their ability/item(s), and I think that the answer is just to play it by ear. If we have clear targets, then we should use the extra KP that the town has. If we don't then perhaps it is more prudent to wait till day 2. Either way, I don't see this game going to day 3.
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The game will only end if either all the mafia or all the town is dead
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Well this certainly changes a few things.
Something that I would like to point out, is that I believe that every townie has a ability, or item. This means that the town is incredibly powerful right off the bat. It wouldn't be a balanced game if the mafia didn't have something to even the playing field. Also, the town has the ability to kill at least two people today, while classic mafia would have to wait till the end of the night to kill their first person. This is a pretty huge advantage, so I'd expect something equally OP for the mafia. Let's not underestimate their abilities. (And yes, this means that I have to reconsider just how likely it is that Mafia would not be given a day KP like LD has.)
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everyone here is so boring.
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Oh we'll see about that
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On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch.
So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1?
If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say.
If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot.
If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill.
For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim.
I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
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On January 08 2011 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch. So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1? If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say. If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot. If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill. For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim. I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
What I'm saying is that using KP for the sake of using KP is an easy way to dig the town into a hole that would be very difficult to make it out of. I do agree that I'd like to see you use your KP today for the sake of verifying your claim, but depending on the result it might be a better choice to hold off on the lynch. (at the time of my post I didn't realize that town could decide not to lynch) I just don't want it to seem like town has to kill two people every day, as there are times (*cough*day 1*cough*) where this would be more likely to hurt than help.
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We have a virtual free day here. Let's not forget that when factoring in how much information we have.
Here's how I see it. We all discuss who we want to lynch. Once the day starts, LD kills them. Then we have another 48 hrs till the next lynch. Because LD has claimed, we get a free day. This should mean that we will have enough information to go by if we are all active. So heck, why not start voting?
LD-Lynch: Vote Annul
Reasoning to come...
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Game hasn't began. So please explain your reason, preferably before game begins.
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well the game hasn't really started yet and I haven't read much. But after tomorrow I don't work for like 4 days so I have plenty of time to obsess over this game.
;O111
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On January 08 2011 15:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I have plenty of time to obsess over this game.
Please do!
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On January 08 2011 09:07 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2011 22:47 Node wrote:
I really don't think using a day hit on day 1 is a very good idea. Imagine if you missed with the hit and we missed the lynch, which is more likely than not on day 1. Assuming the mafia hit goes through, it's tied 2-2 and mafia has the game. If the mafia hits someone that's protected in some way, it's still LYLO. I'd rather wait until we've got some more information, maybe there's a alignment check item out there or somesuch. So are you suggesting that I hold off my shot? Should town also not vote to lynch on day1? If you answer yes to both, then I have nothing else to say. If you suggest that I not shoot during day and town still decide a lynch, then why don't I shoot first then we can decide if we want the lynch or not. I can only shoot before the day is over, after we get the result from the lynch, I can't shoot. If I don't shoot, people won't believe me enough to give me protection and mafia will likely target me with their nightkill. For information purpose: Yes, I am not forced to shoot everyday. But for day1, I will shoot to verify my claim. I am now deciding how my shots should be decided. Whether to have open vote, private vote, analysis driven, I decide it myself, or something else.
I think he is just saying that it might be better to not use your shot the first day because we don't really have a lot of info on who to kill during day 1.
If we miss both shot shots during the first day, it will be lylo the next day 2-2. But if we don't use it and miss the first day it will be 3-2, and still LYLO. So I think it would be more beneficial if you use it during the first day.
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I'm usually all for killing annul, but seeing as he hasn't even posted anything content-wise I'd sure like to see some pretty damn good reasoning.
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Ok, so the reason I voted Annul was that he posted a bunch of questions, and then dissapeared. If you're going to be that active at the beginning, and being active is good for the town, why stop?
Is it a bad reason? Yes! Do I care? Not yet! Why? because I was planning on unvoting it. I just wanted to see what people thought of me voting without reason.
LB-Lynch: Unvote Annul
With that out of the way, I feel like the conversation has kind of dropped off, and I really don't like that. I'm not the best at finding scum, so I'm having a hard time working with the material that we have so far. I would like to see more discussion of items.
To start, should we discuss items? How much information is it prudent to let out? I mean, theoretically, the mafia know a lot about two members (themselves) where town knows a lot about only one person (themselves). So would it be a good idea to have a mass reveal? The town would gain more information than the Mafia...Would it be worth it? Is it a good idea for the town to trade items? Should the town try to end the game today with all the KP it has? Or take it more slowly, and try to make the game last longer?
These are all questions that I'm thinking about. I actually have answers to a lot of them, But I'd like to see someone other than me talking about this.
Also, please remember that there really isn't anything like a LYLO this game. If there's one mafia, and one town, town can still win. It ends when only one party is standing.
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/DAgK1.png) Now in Business
We have contracted you, the seven mercenary groups.
Last night, our perimeters were breached. Only you seven have the capabilities to coordinate an attack on the scale that occurred.
We believe that two of you attacked us. We are contracting all seven of you to determine who were the attackers.
In your accounts we have transfered 1,000,000 Kronos. Think of this as a sample of greater rewards to come.
Let the games begin
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hey, i just got back from my trip back to campus
will read game and PMs now
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On January 07 2011 11:13 LSB wrote:
Game to start in <48 Hours
btw here is my "damn good reasoning"
the game hasnt even technically begun yet
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or, i guess, it did 7 minutes ago
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ok hi
right now we have a claim from lunar that he can day kill every day in addition to any lynching. be careful with this claim, as i assume (based on the language of my item(s)) that an ability like that costs significant money to use. it may, for example, cost 600k to use in which case he needs 200k from someone to shoot again, etc. it is unlikely to be just +1 day KP without drawback or restriction.
in a game where money is such a factor, i assume probably every item has some monetary relevance to it. keep this in mind when contracting.
LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch?
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On January 09 2011 04:51 Kavdragon wrote:
Ok, so the reason I voted Annul was that he posted a bunch of questions, and then dissapeared. If you're going to be that active at the beginning, and being active is good for the town, why stop?
Is it a bad reason? Yes! Do I care? Not yet! Why? because I was planning on unvoting it. I just wanted to see what people thought of me voting without reason.
LB-Lynch: Unvote Annul
With that out of the way, I feel like the conversation has kind of dropped off, and I really don't like that. I'm not the best at finding scum, so I'm having a hard time working with the material that we have so far. I would like to see more discussion of items.
To start, should we discuss items? How much information is it prudent to let out? I mean, theoretically, the mafia know a lot about two members (themselves) where town knows a lot about only one person (themselves). So would it be a good idea to have a mass reveal? The town would gain more information than the Mafia...Would it be worth it? Is it a good idea for the town to trade items? Should the town try to end the game today with all the KP it has? Or take it more slowly, and try to make the game last longer?
These are all questions that I'm thinking about. I actually have answers to a lot of them, But I'd like to see someone other than me talking about this.
Also, please remember that there really isn't anything like a LYLO this game. If there's one mafia, and one town, town can still win. It ends when only one party is standing.
I don't really like any sort of mass reveal strategies. For one, we don't know what sort of items people have, so we don't really whether the information is going to benefit mafia or not, or if we can even take advantage of the information that we would gain.
For trading items, well I guess it would depend on the items. If the current holder cannot use the item, then obviously it would be more advantageous to trade items. And it was mentioned that some abilities require kronos, so it would be advantageous to those people for trading to be constantly going on for them to gather more kronos. But mafia could also have abilities that need kronos so it is a bit of a double edge sword. I still say trade though.
It is usually advantageous for town, the longer the game last, so I would say use town KP it when you think there is a good chance of hitting scum. Don't use it for the sake of using it. But in LunarDestiny's case(if he is telling the truth), I would say he should use it as often as possible as he seems to be able to use it once per day.
Well to get some more discussion going, why don't we start with the usual topic. First day lynch: Should we lynch inactive people?
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On January 09 2011 11:33 annul wrote:
LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch?
Yes
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On January 09 2011 11:33 annul wrote:
ok hi
right now we have a claim from lunar that he can day kill every day in addition to any lynching. be careful with this claim, as i assume (based on the language of my item(s)) that an ability like that costs significant money to use. it may, for example, cost 600k to use in which case he needs 200k from someone to shoot again, etc. it is unlikely to be just +1 day KP without drawback or restriction.
in a game where money is such a factor, i assume probably every item has some monetary relevance to it. keep this in mind when contracting.
LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch?
First of all, my day kill requires no money.
If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it.
Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash? Also, it would be stupid for LSB to give mafia an extra day kill because that would make the game so imbalanced.
As of now, my priority is to choose a target and prove my claim. Then I will try desperately to get protection against mafia's KP.
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LD: take my proposed contract in the PM and we have probably won the game right here and now.
if he does, we need a DT to come out.
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On January 09 2011 11:46 LunarDestiny wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 11:33 annul wrote:
ok hi
right now we have a claim from lunar that he can day kill every day in addition to any lynching. be careful with this claim, as i assume (based on the language of my item(s)) that an ability like that costs significant money to use. it may, for example, cost 600k to use in which case he needs 200k from someone to shoot again, etc. it is unlikely to be just +1 day KP without drawback or restriction.
in a game where money is such a factor, i assume probably every item has some monetary relevance to it. keep this in mind when contracting.
LSB: do we have the ability to vote no lynch? First of all, my day kill requires no money. If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it. Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash? Also, it would be stupid for LSB to give mafia an extra day kill because that would make the game so imbalanced. As of now, my priority is to choose a target and prove my claim. Then I will try desperately to get protection against mafia's KP.
Can you only kill during the day or can you also kill during the night?
If you can kill during the night, then it would be more advantageous to use it during the night when we have more info to go with.
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Also, does your kill appear immediately or at the end of the day phase?
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Both questions have already been answered. It shows up immediately, and he cannot kill at night.
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Well then, let's start talking about who he's going to use his kill point on then.
Should we use it on inactives?
So far, everyone seems to be present except for RoL and chipmonkey.
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I can vouch that both are active in PM land. I believe that chipmonkey is reading up on the forum at this point, and RoL has already made his intentions clear.
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yeah quite a lot of shit is going down in PM land right now i can imagine
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Fun sounding game. Definitely unique.
First of all, my day kill requires no money.
If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it.
Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash? Also, it would be stupid for LSB to give mafia an extra day kill because that would make the game so imbalanced.
As of now, my priority is to choose a target and prove my claim. Then I will try desperately to get protection against mafia's KP.
A kill that requires no money? Something about that seems strange to me, but that's just a gut feeling. I would guess that only mafia would get an absolutely free kill, but, again, that's just a guess.
Also, when you say
"If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it.
Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash?"
...Do you know something about the mafia that we don't? How do you know if money is any more or less valuable to a mafia member than it is to a townie? I just think its odd that you are so quick to assume that mafia really need money. (Maybe I missed something in an earlier post?)
Also, if you aren't a mafia member, how would killing someone during the day phase prove it? All it would prove is that you (or someone you are in contact with) has that ability. Mafia or not.
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On January 09 2011 13:22 chipmonkey wrote:Fun sounding game. Definitely unique. Show nested quote +First of all, my day kill requires no money.
If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it.
Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash? Also, it would be stupid for LSB to give mafia an extra day kill because that would make the game so imbalanced.
As of now, my priority is to choose a target and prove my claim. Then I will try desperately to get protection against mafia's KP. A kill that requires no money? Something about that seems strange to me, but that's just a gut feeling. I would guess that only mafia would get an absolutely free kill, but, again, that's just a guess. Also, when you say "If I have to give up all money I have to persuade town, I am willing to do it. Think of it this way: If I am mafia, do you think mafia will be willing to give up half of their cash?" ...Do you know something about the mafia that we don't? How do you know if money is any more or less valuable to a mafia member than it is to a townie? I just think its odd that you are so quick to assume that mafia really need money. (Maybe I missed something in an earlier post?) Also, if you aren't a mafia member, how would killing someone during the day phase prove it? All it would prove is that you (or someone you are in contact with) has that ability. Mafia or not.
I must say in a game where everyone is given money, mafia must have some use for it. That is my assumption.
I said nothing about using my day kill to prove I am town. It will only prove that I can make a day shot. But if I somehow hit a mafia (2mafia/6targets=33%), that should be good evidence that I am town. With additional scumhunting and analysising, I can improve the 33% chance of hitting a mafia.
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I agree about the killing a mafia part being convincing evidence (I seriously doubt a mafia would kill his only scum buddy to throw people off the scent). Lets hope you hit one.
I don't really agree with your tactic of coming out right on the spot, because if you are telling the truth, the mafia can quickly pick off a townie kill role... but what's done is done. At least if you are a mafia, while you are alive at least, the town can control who you use your action on, and any failure to comply might be a nice indication that we hit your mafia buddy. Then we could take down two mafia in one!
But I think I'm being a little too optimistic.
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On January 09 2011 13:51 chipmonkey wrote:
I agree about the killing a mafia part being convincing evidence (I seriously doubt a mafia would kill his only scum buddy to throw people off the scent). Lets hope you hit one.
I don't really agree with your tactic of coming out right on the spot, because if you are telling the truth, the mafia can quickly pick off a townie kill role... but what's done is done. At least if you are a mafia, while you are alive at least, the town can control who you use your action on, and any failure to comply might be a nice indication that we hit your mafia buddy. Then we could take down two mafia in one!
But I think I'm being a little too optimistic.
The reason why I reveal my day kill is that when I use my day kill, I am to post the action in the thread. The mafia will then know that I have a day kill after. I could have hold my shot for day1 but that is just giving up a free hit. If I hit a mafia, that will pretty much confirm me.
Also, if I see bad reasoning on the proposed target, I will not shoot. This applies especially later in the game.
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Ok, that makes more sense. I don't feel as suspicious of you anymore 
But we have to use your kill today, because I'm willing to bet mafia would want to get rid of the ability you claim to have, and target you tonight. One shot at taking down a mafia is better than none I suppose...
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Futhermore, I won't explicitly say who I am going to shoot before shooting. This is to prevent mafia to exchange protection item if they have any.
There are downside to this because it will make me look scummy. But I don't want to waste a KP. I understand that I must get a mafia soon (first two day?) if I am doing it this way.
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okay.
i can now vouch for lunardestiny. he is what he says he is.
i now seek a DT. if you are DT, claim to me.
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if i die, of course, know that lunardestiny now knows the full extent of what i can do. not revealing this of course, but yeah.
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LSB:
op says,
"? of ? players remaining
2 of 2 Mafia members remaining.
Current Mafia KP = 1"
do you not reveal deaths?
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ok so literally if there is a DT, i can promise you the game is over if you claim to me.
if you are dissatisfied with my plan (once you prove DTness), lynch me.
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On January 09 2011 15:20 annul wrote:
ok so literally if there is a DT, i can promise you the game is over if you claim to me.
if you are dissatisfied with my plan (once you prove DTness), lynch me.
Lol, game over for town, or mafia? =D
I'd like to hear what LD has to say about this.
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According to information I have, yes. Town got this.
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Currently all actions and Contracts are proccessed.
I will be going to sleep soon, but feel free to still send me actions/contracts.
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I'm getting on a plane across the country to go back to school today, so I'm going to be pretty inactive for the next 12 or so hours. In the meantime, I figure I'll go ahead and say what I've got since it's not doing much good to keep it to myself.
I have two boxes. I have been assured that at least one of them holds "something good". I cannot open them, but others players can. I am willing to trade one for 500k kronos OR an item (any item). It's up to you what you want to do with what you receive, whether you want to reveal it, keep it to yourself, use it, trade it, whatevs. The deal's on the table.
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All Contracts and Actions have been processed.
If you believe I made any mistakes please inform me.
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I'd actually agree with Annul on this. I think that everyone should vote "no lynch". That way once we actually do want to vote for someone, we don't lynch anyone unless over half of us actually vote. I wish we had something like this in TMM3.
I'm not pressing for a no lynch, but I think that everyone should vote that, so that the default is no lynch. Just as a security measure, if there's only two people who vote, I'd rather not let only them control the lynch.
##Vote: No lynch
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Oh, but don't forget that we need to vote for LD's target. I believe he said that he wants to take the shot in the middle of the day, so that would be tonight at 7. Not a ton of time, so let's get moving on this.
A few people that I'd like to see/hear from are RoL, who disappeared right after he said he would be "obsessive" over the game, and Chipmonkey, who has a few posts, but hasn't contributed a whole lot.
Also, regardless of the items, we should not drop off analysis. I plan on posting an analysis later, but I'm going to be away for several hours so it may be a bit late in coming.
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I am sorry to inform you but Lunary Destiny was found dead
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Do to a contract. 166,666 Kronos has been transfered to everyone.
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Kavdragon, an analysis when we have so few post is not gonna get us anywhere.
I also don't really agree on no lynch as we are passing off the opportunity for a town KP.
I propose that we start with lynching inactives. It would encourage people to start posting more. RoL hasn't even posted here at all.
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lol what a wonderful trap. I love PM games. Annul is mafia. Last night (or early this morning) I began talking with Annul and LD through PM's/AIM and made two trades. I gave Annul all my money because of the terms of our contract he could only use it to PROTECT people. LunarDestiny however I made a contract with to give him my item, which is a bullet proof vest. The conditions for LD receiving the vest were that he will receive my bulletproof vest the moment he attempts his day hit. I leaked this information to Annul to see what would happen, and sure enough before LD got to make his hit which would make him immune to death we found him dead.
Here is what I think happened. Annul made his contract with Lunar which gave him all of his money, but IF lunar died that money gets dispersed throughout all the players in the game. Annul would of been fine with this because he can control if lunar gets protected and not protect him and get him killed whenever he wants. The issue was that after he attempted his first hit Lunar would be IMPOSSIBLE to kill because of my vest which would guarantee the town a permanent 1KP for the rest of the game. I don't think Annul wanted this to happen, hence why he is dead before he could get the hit through. I think Annul was forced to kill Lunar way before he actually wanted to. All I know about Annul's power is that he can "buy" protection for people through a mercenary group. I do NOT know what else he can buy. I imagine if he can buy protection through a merc he can probably also buy other things such as death.
Here are my two contracts I made with LD and Annul. Both of which Annul was aware of.
+ Show Spoiler [Contract with LD] +
LunarDestiny:
Makes a day shot, regardless of whether or not it kills someone
RebirthOfLeGenD:
Gives LunarDestiny Bullet Proof Vest.
+ Show Spoiler [Contract with Annul] +
RebirthOfLegend:
agree to create a trust entitled "annul's ROL escrow account" and to transfer 1000000 kronos into that trust. annul is named trustee and annul has sole access to the money in the trust. money in this trust must only be used to activate abilities that protect players from harm.
annul:
(nothing in return)
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Oh I forgot to do this.
##Vote: Annul
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uh
my protection is time limited. it was not on LD yet (and LD was told this) because i was going to wait to put it on him until it would affect night cycle, which is what he wanted protection from specifically.
yes, he gave me 1 mill in trust to split up with the town if he died.
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other than LD, ROL was the only person who knew my ability. also, LD said ROL was sending him the contract and that it would execute "when LD tried his day kill" -- ROL kept trying to impress upon me how it wasnt important to medic LD anymore since he had a vest now, etc.
perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah.
i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?"
once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat.
##vote: ROL
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LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player?
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lol you have to be kidding me. Having a vest is a FORM of protection. I can give it only once and it lasts for the entire game. I can't keep changing the target so it is NOT protection exactly. I would say its a FORM of protection.
I said you didn't have to protect him since he had the vest. He died before he got the vest. I can prove that to ANYONE since I still have my vest. Redirection doesn't even make sense as an ability because I can't make contracts that I can't follow through on. I would have to KNOW where a methdealerish role was in order to redirect his kill. On top of that I had only 3 PM's with LD, I didn't know ANY of the details about his kill, or when he was going to do it. I didn't even know who he was considering for a target. I did however know exactly what you were doing, and you knew exactly how to "ruin" my plan because I practically gave you the out Mr. Lawyer. You KNEW he got the vest after attempting the hit, so all you had to do was kill him before he was invincible beyond YOUR control.
This is the same shit I did to LSB in HP mafia. In PMLand I let him think I gave him information he could abuse (IE: That I was a DT) but it was to see if I would get hit, sure enough I did that game. This trap I decided to make someone else take the hit because in that game Meapak and Amber failed to follow through on what I told them. I obviously won't.
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Things are rather getting interesting...annul claims to be unlynchable. Well let's put that theory to the test. And what exactly is his ability to protect RoL?
##Vote: annul
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you said he gets the vest upon using the day kill.
i think you have a redirection ability (actually, your 2nd mafia probably has it). you knew he would never get the vest since he would only get it once he shot, and when he shot, it would be too late.
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and ROL: this is where your logic fails. if i had the power to kill him, i could have killed him before any of this even happened. i could have taken out a town KP within the first few minutes of the game. why even go through this shit?
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Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck.
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here are the logs between LD and myself. at the end is when the 2nd trust contract went through, where i saw his item and he saw my item. he was satisfied at that point, as was i. he knew i was telling the truth.
+ Show Spoiler +
Session Start: Sat Jan 08 23:13:39 2011
Session Ident: #brimstone
03[23:13:39] * Now talking in #brimstone
03[23:13:40] * Retrieving #brimstone modes...
03[23:13:43] * Annul sets mode: +s
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[23:18:41] <LunarDestiny> test test
00[23:19:32] <@Annul> hi
00[23:19:32] <@Annul> ok
00[23:19:35] <@Annul> it works
[23:19:56] <LunarDestiny> yes
00[23:20:03] <@Annul> ok so basically
00[23:20:22] <@Annul> if the plan works as i see it
00[23:20:25] <@Annul> you will never die.
[23:20:43] <LunarDestiny> that is vague.
00[23:20:49] <@Annul> what is vague about it
[23:21:04] <LunarDestiny> let me ask something simple: Night 1, mafia use KP on me. Will I die?
00[23:21:14] <@Annul> if i intervene
00[23:21:14] <@Annul> no
00[23:22:08] <@Annul> that help?
[23:22:15] <LunarDestiny> Do I know if I get hit?
00[23:22:19] <@Annul> i would imagine
[23:23:16] <LunarDestiny> But if the protection is one of your ability, I won't be notify of the hit.
00[23:23:33] <@Annul> based on what my abilit(ies) (is/are)
[23:23:41] <LunarDestiny> I need to make sure that you are not mafia and just choosing not to hit me
00[23:23:42] <@Annul> i would think you would know.
00[23:23:54] <@Annul> you will get the name of my ability under the contract
00[23:24:03] <@Annul> it should be obvious
00[23:24:35] <@Annul> basically i am more powerful than you, but i see an immediate victory if you are what you say you are AND if a DT comes out
00[23:24:46] <@Annul> so i figure lets go for it
00[23:25:00] <@Annul> once i see what your thing actually is, the full text, so i know theres no trickery
00[23:25:08] <@Annul> ill tell you all i know.
00[23:25:30] <@Annul> of course, i cant put that in the contract because if i am unsatisfied with your ability, or there is something there that the full text reveals that makes me question things, i wont
00[23:25:35] <@Annul> but really, you will know my ability name
00[23:25:41] <@Annul> it will be clear what i can do, in general
00[23:26:01] <@Annul> if im happy with you, ill just tell you what i do in full because id believe your blueness
00[23:26:17] <@Annul> thats why i wrote the K like that
00[23:26:29] <@Annul> you told me you would give me the 1 mil if i can give you 2+ lives
00[23:26:33] <@Annul> i am telling you i can give you 2+ lives.
00[23:26:57] <@Annul> thoughts?
[23:28:57] <LunarDestiny> if you are that sure that this plan will work, I will believe you since I just don't want to die by mafia night kill on night 1.
[23:29:43] <LunarDestiny> Please send me another propose contract. I'll answer monkey's post while you do it.
00[23:30:33] <@Annul> what do you dislike about my first proposed?
00[23:30:49] <@Annul> other than the "dont give me all the money" part, and the DT part i guess
00[23:31:10] <@Annul> i dont like removing the DT part to prove towniness, because i know i cant day kill to prove town
00[23:31:21] <@Annul> so i will never get access to it
00[23:31:57] <@Annul> i wrote the DT claim in there to trap you, basically. if you want to "confirm" town by the other red (if you are red) claiming DT, then we have both of you out in the open lying
00[23:32:05] <@Annul> if one thread comes loose, pull and GG
00[23:32:16] <@Annul> thats why thats in there
00[23:38:44] <@Annul> ?
[23:38:57] <LunarDestiny> how about this: I striaght out give you the 1mil
[23:39:10] <LunarDestiny> if I die that 1 mil will be given to town
00[23:39:49] <@Annul> put the 1 mill in an escrow account that only i can use
00[23:40:02] <@Annul> if you die, the escrow account is liquidated evenly to the remaining players
00[23:40:27] <@Annul> is that good?
[23:45:13] <LunarDestiny> ok. But I will say to town that if I die, you will be lynched. So if you are protown, you must be sure that you must promise me that "2+lives
[23:45:31] <LunarDestiny> are you really sure that I won't die?
00[23:45:32] <@Annul> yes, you have that.
00[23:45:53] <@Annul> i am sure you will not die.
00[23:46:21] <@Annul> new K text sent for your approval
00[23:50:01] <@Annul> y/n
[23:51:14] <LunarDestiny> y
00[23:51:54] <@Annul> k
00[23:51:56] <@Annul> will submit to LSB
00[23:52:23] <@Annul> done
00[23:52:39] <@Annul> you need to submit it as well, of course
Session Time: Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2011
00[00:00:10] <@Annul> let me know what happens
00[00:02:54] <@Annul> LSB approved it
00[00:03:01] <@Annul> but he didnt tell me your info
00[00:03:07] <@Annul> i think he expects you to do it yourself
00[00:03:10] <@Annul> asking him
[00:07:37] <LunarDestiny> just pmed him, waiting for reply
00[00:08:18] <@Annul> as did i
00[00:13:31] <@Annul> he says i need to get it from you
[00:14:47] <LunarDestiny> Change the contract to something like me quoting my unmodify mod pm
00[00:15:18] <@Annul> k, send to LSB the following:
[00:15:21] <LunarDestiny> you quoting the first part of your pm saying your ability name
00[00:15:40] <@Annul> ill PM you
00[00:15:42] <@Annul> sec
[00:16:00] <LunarDestiny> Or else the person violate the rule get modkilled instantly.
[00:16:11] <LunarDestiny> If person is mafia, mafia lose instantly
00[00:17:26] <@Annul> LSB is saying to me
00[00:17:36] <@Annul> he cant confirm your role PM to me even if i send him what you send me
00[00:17:37] <@Annul> ;\
00[00:17:57] <@Annul> he says
00[00:18:08] <@Annul> quote me your full ability, and then if i find something in it that is a breach, i can use that
00[00:18:17] <@Annul> but i cant just send him the thing immediately for verification
00[00:18:29] <@Annul> so the K as written is the best we can do
00[00:18:41] <@Annul> PM me your full text, i guess. ;\
[00:19:27] <LunarDestiny> But how would I convince you my ability even if I do quote it in its entirety
00[00:19:56] <@Annul> you dont need to do that
00[00:20:01] <@Annul> the K just says to quote the full text
00[00:20:25] <@Annul> you dont need to do anything beyond that
00[00:20:39] <@Annul> soon as you do, and i read it, ill start doing what i gotta do to save you
[00:22:09] <LunarDestiny> i'll bet on the fact that LSB is not screwing with town.
[00:22:22] <LunarDestiny> If town lose because of this...
00[00:22:46] <@Annul> as long as you are town
00[00:22:48] <@Annul> we will win
[00:23:36] <LunarDestiny> I was going to ask you this after the contract.
[00:24:04] <LunarDestiny> Are you protected as well? You don't have to answer me this if you don't want to
[00:24:25] <LunarDestiny> Should I encourage mafia to hit you or not
00[00:24:31] <@Annul> hm
[00:24:37] <LunarDestiny> think before answering
00[00:25:01] <@Annul> let me see your full text first and let me fulfill my part of the K
[00:25:02] <LunarDestiny> or don't answer me now
00[00:25:05] <@Annul> and then we can discuss that
00[00:26:42] <@Annul> ok
00[00:27:22] <@Annul> ok
00[00:28:48] <@Annul> i just PMed you
00[00:28:53] <@Annul> the name of my ability is (edited out)
00[00:30:02] <@Annul> alright
00[00:30:04] <@Annul> i have an idea
00[00:31:51] <@Annul> we K to put your tommy gun into a trust that you and i have access to and that requires you and i to both agree to use it. the trust automatically fails 5 minutes after creation, with the residue going entirely to you.
00[00:32:09] <@Annul> i can K the same thing with my defense contact
00[00:32:19] <@Annul> this way we both prove they exist.
00[00:32:35] <@Annul> (and i cant use your gun, etc; you cant use my contact either)
00[00:32:39] <@Annul> just to prove existence
[00:36:20] <LunarDestiny> pm me the contract
00[00:39:19] <@Annul> sent
00[00:41:03] <@Annul> y/n
[00:41:44] <LunarDestiny> y
00[00:42:27] <@Annul> k, sending to LSB
00[00:57:25] <@Annul> ok
00[00:57:28] <@Annul> i believe you.
00[00:57:39] <@Annul> what i can do is the following:
(obviously going to cut the logs off here)
then, later,
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[03:40:09] <LunarDestiny> test
00[03:42:21] <@Annul> hi
00[03:42:28] <@Annul> ROL says he sent you an item
00[03:42:30] <@Annul> confirm?
[03:42:54] <LunarDestiny> we made a contract but it is not confirmed
00[03:43:25] <@Annul> do you believe him
00[03:43:29] <@Annul> he claims to have sent me 1 mill
[03:44:00] <LunarDestiny> hmm...
00[03:45:18] <@Annul> of course we wont know for sure
00[03:45:21] <@Annul> until LSB wakes up
[03:45:25] <LunarDestiny> it's not that i don't believe him, but it is really stupid for mafia to give up everything
[03:46:16] <LunarDestiny> i'll put him after (edited out) on my not to shoot list
so LD, who flipped town, SAW my entire ability, knew what i could do, and believed in my towniness. maybe that helps a bit.
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On January 10 2011 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck.
this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot.
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Can you guys calm down for a moment and explain what happened in pm land?
Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT?
And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do?
Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever?
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On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote:
LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player?
need answer to this
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my DT plan is irrelevant now since it relied on having LD alive.
the role i would have played will not be revealed, since it could still have late game relevance down the line
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you know what bothers me as well? node and monkey are AWOL
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On January 10 2011 05:27 Nemesis wrote:
Can you guys calm down for a moment and explain what happened in pm land?
Also, annul what exactly was your plan with the DT?
And RoL, can you give the exact description of what your bulletproof vest can do?
Can it prevent any night kills, but not item kills, or can it only prevent one kill or whatever?
While holding a BPV, a person is bulletproof. That means it can save from any kill related to guns. IE: If LD shot someone or if mafia shot someone they would die. I would imagine that if a power involved death not relating to bullets it would most likely go through. Like lynching or poisoning.
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On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote:
LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player?
This would depend on the ability.
In the case of a bulletproof vest. The vest is an item. So player 1 would not be notified of anything that happens to it.
In the case of medic protection. Standard rules would apply. Player 1 would be notified of his save
In the case of alternative item usage, please pm me what the item does and I will respond. In general. If the item would have you there at the scene of the hit, you would be notified.
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okay. well, apparently i am not unlynchable.
Original Message From LSB: You can post this PM chain if you want. Show nested quote +Original Message From annul: the ability does not say i get night life. it says i gain +1 life for 48 hours. well fuck i am glad i asked i guess Original Message From LSB: You can't be protected from a lynch. Besides for Ace's role in segunko (which was just weird), the lynch has historically killed everyone regardless of protection / night lives. Original Message From annul: ?? wtf Original Message From LSB: Nope. Lynch is the kill all. For example, a veteran can be lynched. Original Message From annul:
my ability says i gain "+1 life" for 48 hours
this means i am unlynchable while this is active, correct?
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LSB: if a lynch vote is 3-3, is it a no lynch or does the person to reach 3 first get lynched?
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nm i re-read rule 5
there are 6 players left. it is clear mafia will want to kill me with a lynch. LSB just essentially confirmed (at least some elements of) my role.
2 will be on me. this means the first nonmafia to vote me will likely be the thing that loses the game for town. we only have 6 players now. be very careful with this decision
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On January 10 2011 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck. this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot.
Arguing wifom is bullshit 90% of the time. People don't generally think that far in advance. On top of that, what I said is NOT wifom. Its a possible plan that a decent mafia may or may not think of. I generally think you are decent/good at mafia and would assume that manipulating the extra KP is a logical thing to try to do. In fact, if I had a redirection ability like you are claiming I could easily abuse LD's claim and control his power. Instead I trapped.
I also never had a plan beyond giving LD a vest. So I don't know what you think is fishy. As I said before, my action would of made LD living or dying no longer in your control. Thus your influence on him would not exist and you couldn't kill him if he chose not to listen to you. You are also WRONG. A bulletproof vest is beatable by the means I listed. Poison, lynching, etc. Any power NOT relating to bullets.
You are grasping at straws because I trapped you and your full of shit. One of two things had to happen either you tried to manipulate the information I gave you regarding mine and LD's contract, OR coincidentally he died after I leaked that information to you. I don't believe in coincidence. You knew the hole in my contract had to do with LD not immediately receiving the vest, and abused that hole I left you.
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On January 10 2011 05:53 annul wrote:
LSB: if a lynch vote is 3-3, is it a no lynch or does the person to reach 3 first get lynched?
First person to reach 3
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what you said is WIFOM because i can make the exact same argument one step further with you
"you knew you could argue that i knew i could do X..." etc.
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there is no guarantee that the vest can do what you say it can do, either. it COULD stop X things, but it may not, we cant know for sure.
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In my experiance, heated arguments like these occur between two townies. Let's not jump to the conclusion that one of them is Scum.
I currently believe that Annul is town, based off a lot of information that i trust. I strongly disagree with his lynch currently. Don't let the mafia rush this.
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On January 10 2011 06:15 Kavdragon wrote:
In my experiance, heated arguments like these occur between two townies. Let's not jump to the conclusion that one of them is Scum.
I currently believe that Annul is town, based off a lot of information that i trust. I strongly disagree with his lynch currently. Don't let the mafia rush this.
I showed the two possibilities above. Either you think its coincidence that LD died after my leaked contract to Annul, or you think Annul had him killed. How else would you explain it? I am generally against coincidences so I am more inclined to believe the latter.
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I think that the evidance that I have to the contrary is enough to convince me that a coincidence is NOT out of the picture. He claimed day-vig. That marks him as a target. He said that he wanted protection, but he couldn't ask for it till he had confirmed his ability. That was due today. It's a good idea for mafia to kill him now, rather than risk it.
I'm not totally sure about either of you, but right now the argument it telling me you are both town. So don't kill each other without a really good reason. reason.
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The thing is to believe it is a coincidence I would have to find a way to justify him not dying BEFORE I sent the terms of our contract to Annul. That's the question I ask and can't find a reasonable answer to. If LD claimed day vig then mafia would do one of two things. Try to kill him ASAP or try to manipulate his kills to ensure they don't hit them. If you try to manipulate his kills I would generally aim to have a fail safe, IE the ability to kill him whenever you can if necessary. A BPV removes the certainty of being able to kill him at will since there are only two things that can break a BPV. Poison and a lynch. Poison wouldn't guarantee death before he does damage so I don't think that is what they have. Whatever they did it allowed them to kill him before my vest transferred.
So the coincidence isn't LD dying, its the timing of his death coming after Annul received certain information that messed up what I view as the two ways to approach a day vig claim like LD did.
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RoL: You were going to give the vest to LD, because you thought that he was town. Why didn't you give him the vest earlier, then leak a contract to annul that said that he wouldn't have it yet? The bearer would have known that a hit would take place, and LD would have been alive. This seems like a dumb trap to me.
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LSB confirmed it earlier. He wouldn't know he got hit and I wouldn't have any information. The last time I set up a trap using myself as bait I died and the people I left in charge of following through didn't do it. I couldn't exactly use anyone as bait it had to be a good target.
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No, LSB confermed that YOU wouldn't know if h was hit. LD would though. If you had told him the plan, easy catch.
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this is what ROL is doing
he is distorting words and attempting to pull the wool over people's heads.
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you take that from one thing I misread. Its you who has been distorting information. You said when quoting your IRC conversation with LD that he trusted you completely. Yet he had a clause to take away his money and even said in the conversation that if he died people should lynch you. On top of that he isn't stupid enough to trust anyone blindly. Its a stupid thing to do so I don't know why you would claim 100% trust on his behalf after hes dead. You also used faulty logic. Just because someone died and is innocent doesn't mean everything they said is 100% right and informed, IE: His judgment on you being blue. That is roughly like saying DrH died in Salem but he trusted Southrawrea so we should still trust him.
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that clause was written in the contract before he knew what i was. the contract had 5 clauses in it, that was one of them.
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He could of reworded the contract, but I doubt he would even if he did believe your claim. Whenever possible you should set up fail safes in contracts in case the person you are talking to dies. Can you tell us the rest of the clauses? If you can't, why not?
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On January 10 2011 07:07 Kavdragon wrote:
No, LSB confermed that YOU wouldn't know if h was hit. LD would though. If you had told him the plan, easy catch.
Care to answer this?
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I did, I just misread what he wrote.
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I can confirm that RoL has a vest, and Annul has the money RoL gave him in the trust. Some of the money from RoL's trust has been used.
This confirms the claims that RoL, and Annul both have protective abilities. Make of that what you will.
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On January 10 2011 05:03 Nemesis wrote:
Things are rather getting interesting...annul claims to be unlynchable. Well let's put that theory to the test. And what exactly is his ability to protect RoL?
##Vote: annul
It's been confirmed that he is NOT unlynchable. If you are going to stick with that vote, you're going to have to explain it.
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On January 10 2011 09:47 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 05:03 Nemesis wrote:
Things are rather getting interesting...annul claims to be unlynchable. Well let's put that theory to the test. And what exactly is his ability to protect RoL?
##Vote: annul It's been confirmed that he is NOT unlynchable. If you are going to stick with that vote, you're going to have to explain it.
Where has that been confirmed?
And if it was confirmed that is NOT unlynchable, doesn't that mean that annul just lied? What good reason can he possibly have for lying about that that is beneficial to the town?
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On January 10 2011 05:52 annul wrote:okay. well, apparently i am not unlynchable. Show nested quote +Original Message From LSB: You can post this PM chain if you want. Original Message From annul: the ability does not say i get night life. it says i gain +1 life for 48 hours. well fuck i am glad i asked i guess Original Message From LSB: You can't be protected from a lynch. Besides for Ace's role in segunko (which was just weird), the lynch has historically killed everyone regardless of protection / night lives. Original Message From annul: ?? wtf Original Message From LSB: Nope. Lynch is the kill all. For example, a veteran can be lynched. Original Message From annul:
my ability says i gain "+1 life" for 48 hours
this means i am unlynchable while this is active, correct?
Read the forum.
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Oh, and ebwodp, he didn't lie. He was mistaken.
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I am about to head to my girlfriends so I won't be as active on IRC/AIM until tomorrowish. I will still post intermittently but I think I proved my case to most. I encourage the inactives/anyone to read over whats been sad through the last 3 pages and then realize the shit Annul's been spitting out and vote for him.
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And I would like to remind everyone that both could be town, and we should be looking for two people. Not one. I strongly believe that it would be better to see if we can find someone else who is a strong lynch target. If we can't, I understand. But i think that we can find one.
Some people say there isn't a lot to analyze. I disagree. Firstly, it doesn't take tons of posts for someone to post something that is incriminating. Secondly, we have 4-5 pages of content, and only 7 players filling them. I think that's plenty of content. It's just that everyone is getting distracted by all the items/PMs. Town wins the game because of good scum hunting. We should not assume that town will use their items cleverly, and win it that way. For the town to use KP we need to know who to use it on. This requires scum hunting. So let's go scum hunt.
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I'll still stick to my vote of annul.
I rather find his arguments concerning RoL being mafia as crap. He is WIFOMing about having an ability to redirect, and that he should be trusted because LD trusted him.
Also, even though there is still the posibility of both of them actually being town, I find the timing of the kill rather convenient to be a coincidence.
Kavdragon, if you don't think either of them is scum, then who do you suggest we lynch?
I would also like to hear what Node and chip has to say about the current situation.
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So I am inclined to believe RoL over Annul. I think its extremely fishy that RoL would make those contracts, reveal the terms to Annul, and then it JUST SO HAPPENS that a mafia hits LD before he can hit back and get his protective vest. It is possible that RoL is lying about the whole thing, but it doesn't seem that annul is taking that stance. So that tells me that these contracts indeed went down... and if my understanding is correct, only RoL, DL, and Annul knew about these contracts.
DL certainly wouldn't kill himself...
So one of these two people has to be a mafia, unless they leaked info of the contracts to some other person not mentioned. I'm not going to buy a coincidence that DL died before he could take a shot.
I'm going to vote to lynch Annul, and if he turns out to be good, we can always lynch the other the next phase. One for one doesn't seem like a bad trade.
##Vote: Annul
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Nemesis, I'll get to your question in a second. Chip:
Look: Everyone knew that he was a day vig. This means that he's a prime target for mafia. They very likely some sort of day KP, or they could have traded for it. The only suspicious part is that it happened in the window of time when Annul knew what was going down.
Obviously LD wouldn't kill himself. That doesn't mean that one of the two is mafia. The mafia knew he was a good target, he was calling for protection, and he was scheduled to make a hit tonight. It makes sense for him to be killed at that time. Again, it's not a coincidence that he was killed before he took the shot. It's a coincidence that it happened after Annul found out that LD would be protected, and before he actually got the protection. You your self said that you expected the mafia to hit him last night
If we lynch annul, and he's town, then that doesn't mean that RoL is mafia. I think he's town. Let's not make rash assumptions.
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okay, i just thought of something game-breaking.
i can PROVE, 100% of the time, that i am what i say i am
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who wishes to see the abilities i have, what they are and can do, etc, can see it.
i will contract with every player in this game to do the following
i will agree to create a trust entitled "annul proves his abilities to (your name)", to which i will transfer "all my items and money." both myself and (your name) will be joint trustees, and neither player will be able to use the items or money in the trust without the consent of the other. annul may revoke the trust at any time."
i will then consent to allow you to use your money to protect yourself. when you send in the command to LSB to "buy protection for yourself using the defense contact" (my item's name), when the money is deducted from your account and the protection is granted, you will see what the contact does: 48 hours of +1 life for 200000 kronos. unlimited usage as long as you have the money.
because the contract is worded in a way where i give ALL my money and items to the trust, there is no room for manipulation - you will see ALL that i have (which is only the contact/money). i cant hold anything back the way the K is written. you will see it, you will have access to my protection, and with your own money, you will buy yourself 48 hours of an extra life.
every single player who wishes to do this will get the chance to do so by me. AIM me at annulvapore for quicker contact, or PM me.
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You cannot share your ability descriptions with us. So how would we know that you don't have more than one ability? I believe that you have a protection ability, but how do i know that you don't have another ability that can kill?
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because we need to submit the same exact contract language to LSB in order for it to be approved. since your contract will read the same as mine, what i am "giving up" is known to you - ALL my items and money.
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But this will not include a description of your protection ability, right?
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when you attempt to use it and LSB confirms that you are protected, that should be an implicit "description" of the item, right?
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The one problem is that we never said you didn't have some sort of protection power. I don't think that was ever the question. In fact, your protection being so cheap is questionable, especially since you claim to be able to protect as many people as you want at any given time. In the hands of a townie that would seem imbalanced, but if a mafia wanted to protect vs a day hit, well that would be much more reasonable.
But besides that, lets focus on a big point. I don't believe for a second that your only power is protection. From what you told me you hire a merc group who protects whoever you say to protect. I can't see a merc group only existing for protection. In fact, I would think its a safe assumption that you have more powers then that which you would prefer to not share with us. The issue with your contract plan is we can't confirm that you are sharing ALL your powers with us.
The thing is we can't prove you are sharing everything with us, and could just be showing us a single power. You are getting desperate and forgetting the rules of contracts now. You KNOW that LSB won't confirm/deny if you have any extra powers and we can't prove that you do or don't so you will never be caught lying in the contract. You know this because you tried doing something like that with LD and it didn't work, and now you are trying to pretend that you don't realize we can't know if you are sharing all your information with us. All we can know is if your ability you are showing us exists if your contract works.
Your arguments have been shitty, flawed, and grasping at straws just like in XXXV. You are using the same arguments as you did in XXV to discredit LSB except against me. The thing is I am better at arguing and point out the holes in all the shit you say. The fact is you knew my BPV to LD would take away your control over his fate and he coincidentally dies before getting my vest? You are the only person who knew about that contract and thought you saw a hole to exploit. Your own arrogance was your demise, in PM games all I do early on is trap people with information, you thought you saw a hole but I just left that to see if you would jump on it. Hell, even if I thought you were town I would of tried doing that to you just to see if you would bite. The way you responded in thread though made me sure you are mafia.
Hell guys, if I am wrong go ahead and lynch me tomorrow rofl, to me this is a sure thing. Annul repeating the same mistakes trying to do the same shit he knows won't work to try to save his ass last minute, its pathetic.
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IS THERE ANY PLAYER IN THIS GAME RIGHT NOW who has an ability that is not dependent on an item of some type? i sure dont. i dont think they exist.
i can PROVE to you that i am a medic. prove it. I CAN PROVE I AM A MEDIC. i am willing to allow every player get protection every single night phase. there will be no standard mafia kills for the entire game. not one. i will perform the same contract with every living player during the night phase provided i am alive. every single player will be able to buy an extra life for 200k for 48 hours however many times they want.
like i really dont know how much more pro-town a player needs to be than to promise five extra lives to players whenever they want them -- and be able to deliver.
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the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia.
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
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furthermore, ROL contends LSB cannot confirm/deny abilities. if there are abilities outside of the items given to us that i dont know about, then yes, this is true. but assuming we only derive our power from the items, then this is NOT true and LSB can "confirm" my item list by the language i wrote in the proposed K above.
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On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote:
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
one of you needs to revote off of me, otherwise i AM dead with 3 votes and being the first to reach 3, even if node and kav hit ROL with me in the future.
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Holy shit Annul, your wrong. I said we can CONFIRM that you have the power you are claiming but we CANNOT prove that you don't have other powers. LSB WILL NOT TELL US SHIT. All he does is process contracts, he doesn't do anything besides change money and inventory that people have. I can't believe in the same breath you are trying to say that I must be mafia when my ability is to give away a BPV while you are ALSO trying to say that because you can protect people you MUST be town. If anything having the ability to self protect and protect as many people as you want is more mafia role since as a townie it would be way too powerful. What you are arguing doesn't make sense within the rules of the game, on top of that you are claiming what makes me red makes you green? Bullshit.
On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote:
the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia.
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
This is more of your attempt to put words in my mouth and say things I never said. I said you are claiming you can prove something which you can, but not even answering when I am saying how you can hide any other ability you want. In case you aren't getting what I am saying yet. I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT YOUR POWER IS LIMITED TO JUST PROTECTS. Got it? Even Kavdragon the only person who wants to try to play devil's advocate says he thinks you most likely have another power you are not admitting to.
I will give you a hint, the only person not voting for you right now is Kavdragon because he still believes this LD shit might be a coincidence and Node because hes your scumbuddy. After you flip red hes my next target, and when I am sure I die tonight you guys better remember what I said. Node is trying to avoid implicating himself by commenting on the situation with his partner, that would be my not so humble guess. But time will tell on that. Annul you aren't going to get off the hook, stop making shit up.
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as far as i know neither node nor kav have voted. i am well aware you nemesis and monkey are on me.
LSB CAN confirm the presence of all ITEMS in one's possession. so, again, i ask does anyone in this game have an ability that is not powered by an item? if anyone wishes to claim this, i have a way to prove it 100% as well. you prove all your items using the K trick i discussed above, and then you write a second K saying "agree to use an ability other than the ones derived from (item A/B/C/whatever). failure to do so within 5 minutes of contract execution will result in an immediate modkill."
so they then prove it, or they die. pretty easy to do.
but with all of the above being said, and with all of the contract tricks involved to verify claims, there is one very very critical point you continue to overlook. I AM PROMISING MEDIC PROTECTION TO EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THIS GAME. every single non-voting death can be prevented. every single one. since there will be 5 players left once the voting finishes, and mafia only has 1 night kill, EVERY single possible night kill can be prevented in this game. with 1 mill to use, there is enough money to save players 5 times. and i will allow every player to use my item to do this.
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think about the implications behind what i am offering. in a normal game, if someone CLAIMED medic and then said they could prove, ONE HUNDRED percent of the time, that they are medic, by completely nullifying the mafia's standard night KP... town lynches them? what? of fucking course not.
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bedtime, checking this when i wake up. THINK.
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On January 10 2011 17:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I DO NOT BELIEVE FOR A SECOND THAT YOUR POWER IS LIMITED TO JUST PROTECTS.
before i go, i do have to say this: is there a single player in the game with more than one type of item (that you can do more than 1 thing with?) if there is i do not concede this point, but i would be curious to see if anyone even does
of the four roles i know, they all just have one ability.
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well, three roles i KNOW, anyway
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So even if we can use your power to protect all of us, that means letting you live for another day. You are basically blackmailing us into letting you live rofl. If you really are town you wouldn't try making us let you live to save us. From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work. So why are you making it seem like you need to be alive for this protection to work? You are obviously trying to get us not to kill you by offering us all protection because losing their night KP is worth saving a mafia. This is ridiculous. Just keep running from one absurd defense to the next.
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On January 10 2011 04:38 annul wrote:
other than LD, ROL was the only person who knew my ability. also, LD said ROL was sending him the contract and that it would execute "when LD tried his day kill" -- ROL kept trying to impress upon me how it wasnt important to medic LD anymore since he had a vest now, etc.
perhaps ROL has a redirection ability. this way LD would have to use his kill before gaining "protection" and once he did, he would just be redirected to death anyway. when i was fishing and asked what type of role ROL had, he said "protection... or a form of it." if his item was the vest as he proclaimed, he shouldnt have said "... or a form of it." since "protection" would have been perfectly sufficient. but what is redirection? yeah, a sort of form of protection, yeah.
i am essentially permanently protected. if you want to use your kills on me, go ahead. is there really going to be a red role that essentially reads "you cannot die?"
once you try to kill me (repeatedly if you must) and see that i do not die, maybe then my blueness will be evident. in fact, i am currently unlynchable as well. or you could go the faster and easier route and just hit ROL for 1. knowing my plan and 2. destroying it, then taking what he knew to scapegoat.
##vote: ROL
What really makes me suspicious of annul is his attempt to lynch RoL. It looks like a desperate mafia attempt to save himself.
He is lynching RoL because "perhaps" he has a redirection ability, and "form of protection" as meaning it cannot be a BPV.
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I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
what is not clear about this?
"From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work."
yes it does.
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On January 10 2011 19:49 Nemesis wrote:
He is lynching RoL because "perhaps" he has a redirection ability, and "form of protection" as meaning it cannot be a BPV.
at this point it has nothing to do with that
it has to do with his blindness and refusal to respond directly to my counterarguments. it has to do with the form of his attack. it has to do with how i know ROL plays and i am 100% certain of his mafia status. kav is wrong: we are not both town.
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Vote Count
No Lynch (2)
Kavdragon
Node (Default)
Annul (3)
RebirthOfLeGenD
Nemesis
chipmonkey
RebirthOfLeGenD (1)
annul
Please note:
If you do not vote, I will assume you are voting for no-lynch
Only votes starting with two pound signs (##) will be counted
Only living player's votes count
Day ends in 8 Hours
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Ok, so just to check, LSB: Night begins at 11:00 KST, correct? KST is same a Liquid time, right?
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looks like night begins at 9 pm eastern to me
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This argument has officially made the transition to spam. Please stop fighting. You've both made your points. I still think that it's possible that you are both town, blinded by each other, but I concede that it's become a shrinking chance in my mind. Personally, I don't think that either of you are makeing very good/convincing arguments. However, the information that we will gain from the lynch of one of you would be valuable to the town at this point.
For now, I beg of you, RoL, and Annul: Take a step away from the argument, and consider the possibility that the other is town. You two are the strongest players we have atm, and I'd hate to lose all of you because of a blind rage towards the other.
Nemesis, I think that you are just jumping on a bandwagon that you think is safe. I've watched you for a while, and I've come to the conclusion that you look like scum. I can't post the reason just yet, but I will before the lynch. I doubt that this vote will do anything anyways, as enough people seem pretty set on lynching Annul.
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On January 11 2011 00:41 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 19:49 Nemesis wrote:
He is lynching RoL because "perhaps" he has a redirection ability, and "form of protection" as meaning it cannot be a BPV. at this point it has nothing to do with that it has to do with his blindness and refusal to respond directly to my counterarguments. it has to do with the form of his attack. it has to do with how i know ROL plays and i am 100% certain of his mafia status. kav is wrong: we are not both town.
Kav, I don't know how you see this shit. Let me show you exactly why he is full of shit. These are the EXACT arguments he was using to get LSB lynched.
I responded to EVERYTHING you have said, and called you out on every little shit you said. The reason you are getting lynched is because what I am saying makes sense and what you are saying looks like a mafia's desperate attempt to save himself. My form of attack is exactly what I would do in other games, I hound you get you to post then call you out on your shit. I also set traps and contingencies for players if its a PM game, so that I can trick them into revealing themselves. You fell for one, you are red. Its quite simple. On top of that, how does this game look any different then what ExMiMa was about to turn into? Or last game when I got you killed? I could go on with games but I think the point is obvious. I think it was Barundar who described me as a pitbull when I attack someone. Its relentless and vicious and eventually they die. and you know whats funny?
I haven't attacked someone and missed a lynch in a very long time. Do you honestly think you are about to be the exception to that? Right now. Pull up all the arguments I didn't confront you directly on. The reason you didn't with that post is because a lot of the time you are trying to make people think I am doing things that I am not, and that my arguments are fluff and hold no weight. Well fortunately we have people who read what I write and realize what you are saying is a strait up lie. When you come up red tonight I am looking at the fence sitters.
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On January 11 2011 03:35 Kavdragon wrote:
Ok, so just to check, LSB: Night begins at 11:00 KST, correct? KST is same a Liquid time, right?
Yep. I use Liquid time since it's easier with the clock up top.
8:00 Central Time
9:00 Eastern Time
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no.
ROL is mafia. period. i will forever quit TL mafia if he is not actually mafia.
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i can PROVE my towniness. can prove it. will prove it.
why the town is entirely reluctant to allow me to win the game right here and now is PITIFUL.
if you are so sure of my status, give me a day to prove myself. ROL has not responded to multiple arguments and claims. he has distorted my words and he is predicating his _entire_ attack on the fact that LD died ... during a period of HIS construction. i did not initiate his "HEY I GOT A VEST OMFG LD IS NOW DEAD ANNUL IS MAFIA" thing. it is an act entirely from his own construction. it was forced. i am his chosen scapegoat. and i am an OP medic.
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mafia KP doesnt lower based on 1 mafia death, so if you are SO SURE of me, it doesnt harm you to give me one day. i am not mafia and can prove it.
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Nothing I said was forced. Stop fucking saying I didn't answer your arguments and distorted your words without providing examples. Its pissing me the fuck off. You write without any substance. If as a lawyer these are the arguments you use in court I would hate to be your client. You can't just say I ignored and distorted your arguments/words. Show me fucking examples. The reason you can't is because I haven't distorted shit. I have showed you guys everything that has happen. I proved my fucking vest transfer didn't go through by letting Kavdragon see it. I still have my vest and you killed LD before it could transfer. I didn't distort shit. There are so many more arguments that I have made you haven't even responded to. Like what the fuck your other power is? I know your hiding something and I know other people think you are. I want to know what it is.
The same reason I lynched LSB, no one can prove 100% that they are town. His arguments were shitty which contributed to his lynch last game. On top of that the town is always terrible at getting off track and you aren't a guaranteed lynch tomorrow. Plus with how this game is working, who the fuck knows if we are even going to be alive tomorrow? If your extra power has something to do with killing or something I'd rather have you dead now. Tomorrow is not a guarantee. LSB said MANY times that this is going to be a really fast game, and with a potential day vig and day KP by mafia I seriously am beginning to wonder just how fast.
I am not willing to let you live because it could potentially cause more harm then good among MANY other reasons that I listed.
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do you think it makes great game balance sense to give a mafia player a ridiculous medic ability AND some weird day vig power, as you claim i have? you are not stupid. neither am i.
ROL, i am having tremendous difficulty choosing your second partner. i think it is nemesis, but for some reason i have had tinges of doubt of kav for a while. its sad, because i want to trust him, but his analysis of the situation looks a lot like overzealous positioning for when i pop town as a way to initiate his defense of you. but nemesis is being blatantly dumb about it, node is 100% inactive despite his initial crap of "HEY im all for killing annul" and monkey makes one post with similar sketch logic against me as well. so i am pretty much stuck.
the point i guess is to look hard for the second red, in everyone. when i go, there are 5 remaining. i will be spending all of my money protecting everybody prior to my death, so no mafia should be able to get a kill through tonight. it will be 3-2. the town NEEDS to be unified tomorrow and it NEEDS to pick off a mafia. do NOT go with a third bandwagon. do not vote three people. vote for one target. or a second target. but the voting tomorrow needs to be 5-0 4-1 or 3-2. period.
this game does not end with my death.
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On January 11 2011 00:37 annul wrote:
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
what is not clear about this?
"From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work."
yes it does.
So wait, you just lied to us? This is hilarious. You must really enjoy stumbling all over your words. I said you were trying to black mail us by claiming if you lived you would protect us all. Then I said that with my understanding of your power it works whether or not you are still alive. So you are blackmailing us to keep you alive. Then not even a page later you now admit you lied and your power DOES work even if you are dead now? Awesome. Another attempt at saving yourself. Your other power must be really worth it if you actually end up wasting your money trying to save people in order to keep yourself alive.
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show me PRECISELY where i admitted i lied about needing to be alive to use my power? nothing in anything ive said is contradictory.
this is the main idea of my case against ROL. in THIS, right here and now, we have a pristine, clear example of what ROL has been doing and continues to do: take my words, distort them to his position, and attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the town.
my power is to spend money to give people extra lives. of course if im about to die, im going to blow my entire load on saving people, because who the fuck wouldn't do that? this is a team game, not a FFA. as horrible as it is to lose the medic, i need to give the team the best chance at winning in the end, because a win for town is still a win for me, even if i am dead. but you use this as a negative point against me? you are smarter than this.
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After two flights, a couple of buses, and immediately falling into a near-comatose state once home, I'm ready to get back into this. Poor timing for a game on my part, but I hope to contribute more now.
Kav, I have a feeling that due to the death of LD, one of RoL or annul pretty much has to be mafia as they were both involved tightly with him. I personally think it's RoL, but I'd certainly say that if we get it wrong tonight it's given us a nigh-confirmed red for tomorrow night.
I don't believe that RoL is attacking annul with good logic or analysis, his posts are unnecessarily wordy and picking apart annul's words instead of his intentions. This has turned into a couple of shrill harpies going at each other with any pretense of a cohesive argument left behind -- and I believe it's mostly due to RoL getting increasingly more ridiculous with each post. Though annul isn't helping his case by indulging RoL, his argument has been consistent and based on something solid.
Also, annul, my "I'm usually all for killing annul" post wasn't against you in the least. I was asking Kav to provide the "damn good reasoning".
Also, this isn't an OMGUS vote. Though I do find it hilarious that RoL randomly puts out a tirade against me when I frankly haven't done shit so far this game. I'm hoping to change that now with his lynch.
##Vote RebirthOfLeGenD
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Nemesis the Townie was found dead
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Vote count
Annul (2) To be lynched
RoL
Chipmonkey
Rol (2)
Node
Annul
No lynch
Kavdragon
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kav, do not abstain. get on the record. ONE of us is mafia (it isnt me, but im being fair here). you need to vote on one of us. find the one you think is MOST mafia-like and vote us.
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LOL WTF? When all else fails kill those who are against you Annul?
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wasnt me, though this time i do know who it is, and why he died.
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and naturally i was not going to stop it, especially as i figured anyone who could possibly be following you so blindly was also a red ;\
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ill let the person who caused the death speak up if he chooses to do so
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Or you could stop being so evasive and tell us. If you are what you say you are, and you happen to get lynched, we have a solid lead to go on. If you are lynched and revealed as mafia, then we can just throw it all to hell.
Keeping the killer's identity secret is no use to the town, so if you are a townie, speak up. Otherwise, I'm just going to take this as a inability to explain your own mafia actions.
And why did Nem die if you were protecting everyone?
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the killer has told me he will explain himself to the town in a bit, so i expect that your questions will have answers soon
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and he died because i was not protecting anyone but myself yet. i intend to blow the protections at 8:59 PM assuming it is i who will die.
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Hey, reading the forum. Anyone who wishes to speak with me, I'll be in irc. #mercmafia
I would like to talk to everyone who is here, privatly to some. I have almost no time, so sorry if you get there too late.
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Alright, I plan on being back later, but I have to commute right now. This is a PLACE HOLDER VOTE: I will make my final decision later, but for right now, this seems like the best course of action for the town.
RoL, it hurts to do this. Terribly sorry If I'm wrong. ##VoteRoL
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I won't be home until after the vote ends, I am at a shitty apple store right now. But I guess GG GL town unless either Kavdragon or Node changes their mind. Nice play Annul by killing Nemesis :/ Kav we can talk after the game is over I guess but I dunno how you expect to kill Annul too.
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Precious was my kill, Annul. Don't ever take precious away from me.
##Vote: Annul
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chipmonkey, if you are paying attention, ROL and kav are the reds.
if you have an offensive KP ability, you need to use it on one of them. be aware ROL claims he has a bulletproof vest. this may nullify a KP power of some sort. node also now has over 1.75 million kronos AND the medic in his possession. he can shield you.
you need to use the money if you have a KP requiring money and you need to take one of the two reds down. you will live the night, its 2-2 now.
AS SOON AS DAY PHASE POPS, YOU AND NODE NEED TO CAST A VOTE ON ROL OR KAV IMMEDIATELY. the first to two will be lynched, so this game comes down 100% to whose computer is faster. this is ridic unfair, but hey.
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if your KP goes in correctly, you win. if not, you need to vote faster. in any event i have set us up as best i can.
neither kav nor ROL have protection shields from me on them. blow them up.
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Nightfall![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ADwvfqkxChw/SZG_0UGSaFI/AAAAAAAAB_k/ZOKm9AYiJ2s/s400/insilico.jpg)
Annul the townie is lynched
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24 hrs later
Daybreak![[image loading]](http://www.bugbog.com/images/galleries/usa-pictures/burning-man-pictures/burn-usa-5.jpg)
Kavdragon the townie dies
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48 hours later
Nightfall![[image loading]](http://www.vegansoiree.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/city-in-blackout.jpg)
chipmonkey the townie is lynched
Game over, Mafia victory
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grats kav on being absolutely retarded
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Can you reveal all roles and powers ELESSBEE?
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Contracts and Role list
Notice, this is incomplete because I skiped over some item verification contracts
+ Show Spoiler [Role PMs[/spoiler] +Alignment: Mafia with ____
Ability: You have 5 Boxes that you may sell. There's nothing inside. You can put stuff inside if you want
Current Inventory: 5 Boxes. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Mafia with ____
Ability: You have 2 Bullet Proof Vests that you may sell. While holding a Bullet Proof Vest, a person is bulletproof. However, they are booby traped and you can PM me to explode a bulletproof vest.
Oh, you and your mafia buddy can't use them.
Current Inventory: 2 Bulletproof Vests. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Town
Ability: You have 1 Defence Contact. With a Defence Contact you can pay 200,000 Kronos to grant someone +1 life for 48 hours.
Current Inventory: 1 Defence Contact. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Town
Ability: You have 1 Killer Contact. With a Killer Contact you can pay 600,000 Kronos hit someone. (You don't get the money for the kill)
Current Inventory: 1 Killer Contact. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Town
Ability: You have 3 Grenades. You may pull out a pin of a grenade at any time and it will explode in 24 hours killing the person who holds onto the Grenade.
NOTE: You will have to trade the Grenade with someone. You can't just throw it. Oh, and they will know that the pin is out.
Current Inventory: Grenade [1], Grenade [2], Grenade [3]. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Town
Ability: You have a stack of cash. You can open it and get 1,000,000 Kronos
Current Inventory: 1 stack of cash. 1,000,000 KronosAlignment: Town
Ability: You have a Tommy Gun. It grants you 1 KP. However, you can only use it in the day by posting in thread ##Kill: Name Here
Current Inventory: 1 Tommy Gun. 1,000,000 Kronos
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like seriously what the fuck is wrong with the town in this game? this had to have been the WORST town performance EVER.
every single thing i called ROL out on was correct. EVERY SINGLE THING.
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More like amazing mafia performance.
RoL killed Lunardestiny, and then convinced Kavdragon he didn't.
Node then convinced Annul that he was town, and received the protection needed to win.
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So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts?
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Well what no one knew is that I had 2 vests the entire time. So it seemed plausible when I said I got the vest returned to me, when in actuality it exploded on LD killing him.
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node didnt convince me of anything
i did that on my own volition. i was going to give my medic to kav, but i sensed he was going to betray me a while before he actually did, so i had to pick between chip and node. i chose the one who was voting ROL.
node had no idea what i was gonna do until about an hour ago.
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i had the contingency ready for when kav changed the vote on me. i knew it was a chance, and if he did, i knew i lost his trust. so i NEEDED a successor as a final chance to win the game. just happened to RNG the wrong one.
in fact LSB you saw my contingency contract before kav even flipped vote
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The thing was, Kav had a grenade set to explode on Node. If Node didn't get protection tonight, town would have won.
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i was going to protect everybody, but when kav betrayed, i figured why waste money. i had to pick the second mafia and from that point, kav looked a fuckton like ROL's partner, more than node. so i isolated him and ROL and tried to give my successor as much a chance as i could to win the game IF he was town. not my desired plan, but circumstances (read: kav's horrible decision) forced my hand
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i knew he had a grenade on him, but because kav's obvious voteswitch last minute was coming, i pegged him as mafia and my third shield on node was meant to save the game for town
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Lol. I had a grenade on Node, and had the vote to lynch RoL. Guess I screwed up, but RoL played wonderfully. Tho, for the record, town could have won if annul hadn't given Node the protection.
Damn you RoL. You played me like the fool i was. For the record, I was still convinced that Annul and RoL were both town at the end, but my end game plan was to kill everyone, and annul had the best chance of screwing that up.
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On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts?
Don't ever send out role PM's 48 hours before the game starts again. I will hunt you down, and I will kill you. I couldn't even run interference yet because the game hadn't started. It was half luck that I managed to merc LD before turning on annul with my contracts. The protections for Annul were way too cheap. At the time I gave him my money and LD gave him his he had enough money to protect the entire town for 3 days. That is insane, I don't know why he just didn't do that in the first place. LD's power seemed fine in a larger game. It was too powerful in such a small game even though I figured he wouldn't get more than one hit it still put the mafia on edge facing 2 KP's day 1 we had to avoid and somehow taking down some really OP combo of day vig/OP medic. With your rules they could of gone toe to toe with us since once the game is 2-2 it doesn't end. If we didn't disrupt that the way we did we were fucked. Hard.
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On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts?
Weirdly enough, the pace seemed just about right, probably due to the "extended" first day.
As far as different items go, I definitely think that in a larger game more variety would be welcome. The different ways KP could be created were pretty cool, but it'd be nice to have more stuff to mess around with.
I liked the way contracts work, it definitely allows creativity on the part of the players with the way they use their items. That's something that doesn't really happen with the way roles are usually distributed.
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This was an effective mafia at work. Of course, the town was a bit too trusting. I don't know if that was necessarily a bad thing.
Node and RebirthOfLeGenD joint award for MVP!
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kav you didnt think. i told you in IRC to stop this shit
your logic to me was "ROL would be pissed if i voted him, he has been my mentor and he was very angry id vote for him, i dont want him quitting TL mafia"
absolutely atrocious.
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i find it utterly inconceivable that given ALL the evidence, you believed i was more red than ROL. you knew one of us had to go. you chose me. why?
i would like to see your rationale, i really would. why did you choose me as more scummy than he, when i was claiming medic and could prove it?
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in terms of balance, my shields were ridiculously underpriced. in a larger game, it may be good at 200k, but in a 7 player game that likely wont last more than 3 days, its crazy cheap.
i love the ability to create trusts, but in fairness it may be OP. with trusts you can literally do almost anything with your items and manipulate ownership. although theres probably always a way to do this with contracts anyway (writing in modkill provisions for use/failure to return item, etc)
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On January 11 2011 11:21 annul wrote:
kav you didnt think. i told you in IRC to stop this shit
your logic to me was "ROL would be pissed if i voted him, he has been my mentor and he was very angry id vote for him, i dont want him quitting TL mafia"
absolutely atrocious.
Lol, that was what i told you. I was never that honest with you in irc about my opinion. I voted RoL because the best evidence I had at the time was against RoL. You're lack of help with me was what pushed me over. I wanted information, all the info you could give me to help with the decision, and you never really told me that much.
The reason why I killed nemesis was that he accepted my item. I gave him a fallacious description that clearly stated that if someone killed you, they would also die. Unless they were mafia. That item has absolutely no use to a townie, so I figured if he wanted it enough to buy it, he could have it.
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On January 11 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts? Don't ever send out role PM's 48 hours before the game starts again. I will hunt you down, and I will kill you. I couldn't even run interference yet because the game hadn't started.
I actually like it since it effectively made day 1 longer and less of a 'what to do' period
The protections for Annul were way too cheap. At the time I gave him my money and LD gave him his he had enough money to protect the entire town for 3 days. That is insane, I don't know why he just didn't do that in the first place.
Indeed. When I made it I imagined it like a "Buy a protection" role. Same thing with Chipmonkey's role. He could buy a hit for 600k
LD's power seemed fine in a larger game. It was too powerful in such a small game even though I figured he wouldn't get more than one hit it still put the mafia on edge facing 2 KP's day 1 we had to avoid and somehow taking down some really OP combo of day vig/OP medic. With your rules they could of gone toe to toe with us since once the game is 2-2 it doesn't end. If we didn't disrupt that the way we did we were fucked. Hard.
Yeah, It was meant so that even if it was 2-2 the mafia would still had to fight.
This was balanced out by the fact that it would be really easy for the mafia to deceive the town. And one lie by the mafia can instantly translate into a death.
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Annul calm down. I out argued you extremely hard. Don't blame Kav that you couldn't convince him I was lying. What I was saying made sense and in another game could of been true. Its not his fault that you couldn't convince him better than I could. You can't blame him on believing me, you had the truth on your side and could never word it properly. I planned out how to take you and LD out knowing if I didn't we would be in deep shit. Unfortunately because of the early role PM's you guys were able to do shit before I could interfere. I had to force my move WAY earlier than I would of wanted to because if I waited we would of been fucked. It was your fault for not being more cautious and your fault for not being able to convince Kavdragon that you were innocent.
On top of that I want to note that you don't address points and you claim that your opponent doesn't. I never miss a point, I rarely ever manipulate wording. You lied quite a few times, built distrust while I appeared as transparent as possible. Your arguments never truly contradicted anything I said about you, towards the end you were making more sense but I had already beat you so far until then. Yes, it would of been a better idea to have you saving everyone for rest of the game, but you should of used that defense first. Instead you kept trying to manipulate people to keep you alive by lying about your power. You don't make yourself easy to trust while I did. That's why you lost. Ace said it the best. Mafia isn't a game about what the truth is, its a game about what you can convince people of.
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Nicely played by RoL
kavdragon, blowing everyone up sounds like a bad plan XD
As for the game itself, I felt that there really weren't really any item that I could buy. The only things that people were really willing to sell are things that would blow me up. Probably more items that the original users can't use would be great. Also, yes too many KP.
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On January 11 2011 11:23 annul wrote:
i find it utterly inconceivable that given ALL the evidence, you believed i was more red than ROL. you knew one of us had to go. you chose me. why?
i would like to see your rationale, i really would. why did you choose me as more scummy than he, when i was claiming medic and could prove it?
I didn't think that either of you were scum. I thought that you would be able to stop me from being able to kill everyone else. I told you this was my goal earlier. That never really changed if you didn't notice.
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i didnt help you because (from my perspective*) you were acting so bad and were so blind to facts and evidence, you couldnt have possibly been a townie.
i was wrong.
* qualifying personal statement designed to mitigate what is otherwise a blatant nerdrage
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even when the game is over ROL refuses to note where i lied.
you drop walls of text and call it "beating me" -- at the end of the day, the reason you won is because this town was very, very dumb. pure and simple. you may be way too arrogant to realize that this victory is not your doing, but the failure of town to recognize simple strategy
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On January 11 2011 11:25 annul wrote:
in terms of balance, my shields were ridiculously underpriced. in a larger game, it may be good at 200k, but in a 7 player game that likely wont last more than 3 days, its crazy cheap.
Chipmonkey had a killer contract. Killing someone for 600k, so I didn't think it was that bad. Next time I'll probably impose a 1 use / 24 hr limit.
i love the ability to create trusts, but in fairness it may be OP. with trusts you can literally do almost anything with your items and manipulate ownership. although theres probably always a way to do this with contracts anyway (writing in modkill provisions for use/failure to return item, etc)
Hmmm... Removing trusts wouldn't be to bad. Or maybe a bit more about what you can do or cannot do about trusts.
Trusts are a great counteraction to the mafia deception. It does create a false sense of security though.
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On January 11 2011 11:30 annul wrote:
i didnt help you because (from my perspective*) you were acting so bad and were so blind to facts and evidence, you couldnt have possibly been a townie.
i was wrong.
* qualifying personal statement designed to mitigate what is otherwise a blatant nerdrage
Dejavu?
You = Me in XXXV
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On January 11 2011 04:44 annul wrote:
do you think it makes great game balance sense to give a mafia player a ridiculous medic ability AND some weird day vig power, as you claim i have? you are not stupid. neither am i.
ROL, i am having tremendous difficulty choosing your second partner. i think it is nemesis, but for some reason i have had tinges of doubt of kav for a while. its sad, because i want to trust him, but his analysis of the situation looks a lot like overzealous positioning for when i pop town as a way to initiate his defense of you. but nemesis is being blatantly dumb about it, node is 100% inactive despite his initial crap of "HEY im all for killing annul" and monkey makes one post with similar sketch logic against me as well. so i am pretty much stuck.
the point i guess is to look hard for the second red, in everyone. when i go, there are 5 remaining. i will be spending all of my money protecting everybody prior to my death, so no mafia should be able to get a kill through tonight. it will be 3-2. the town NEEDS to be unified tomorrow and it NEEDS to pick off a mafia. do NOT go with a third bandwagon. do not vote three people. vote for one target. or a second target. but the voting tomorrow needs to be 5-0 4-1 or 3-2. period.
this game does not end with my death.
On January 11 2011 04:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:37 annul wrote:
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
what is not clear about this?
"From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work."
yes it does. So wait, you just lied to us? This is hilarious. You must really enjoy stumbling all over your words. I said you were trying to black mail us by claiming if you lived you would protect us all. Then I said that with my understanding of your power it works whether or not you are still alive. So you are blackmailing us to keep you alive. Then not even a page later you now admit you lied and your power DOES work even if you are dead now? Awesome. Another attempt at saving yourself. Your other power must be really worth it if you actually end up wasting your money trying to save people in order to keep yourself alive.
That's the shit I am talking about Annul. Do you not read or do you not remember? You claimed your power couldn't work if you were dead, when I was pretty sure it could. Then like 5 posts later you say it can be used when you die when I point out how you are blackmailing the town to let you live.
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On January 11 2011 11:29 Nemesis wrote:Nicely played by RoL kavdragon, blowing everyone up sounds like a bad plan XD As for the game itself, I felt that there really weren't really any item that I could buy. The only things that people were really willing to sell are things that would blow me up. Probably more items that the original users can't use would be great. Also, yes too many KP.
Dude! I was an epic plan! Blowing everyone up works 100% of the time if you can pull it off.
As for items you could have bought. Yeah, I was hopeing that Annul and Chip would start selling services openly to make a huge profit.
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Annul, RebirthOfLeGenD please take the argument to PMs
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where did i say "it can be used when i die?"
quote this directly, please. i asked for this in the game and i ask for it now.
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the readers of this game need to see this resolution, this is important
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Out of curiosity, who was the contract guru? Who had the most money at the end of the game?
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Oh, and I openly admit that I made a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20, and there were a lot of contradictions having to do with what RoL said he would do, and what he did. In then end I couldn't decide which was which. The spammy arguments were a big deterant, but I won't blame it on that. With no easy decision, I decided to kill Annul, becuase he would be the biggest deterant to my plan. His protection could save everyone from me. It's unfortunet that Annul protected Node, but it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't switched votes.
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I got the reference Kavdragon I remember going "FUCK" inside my head upon reading that. Then me and Ace both dying that night, and our psychopath killer guy RNGing the prophet which killed himself. That was the worst feeling ever 
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On January 11 2011 11:45 Kavdragon wrote:
Out of curiosity, who was the contract guru? Who had the most money at the end of the game?
Annul slightly more money because right at the end Node gave him 500k to 'verify' his role
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On January 11 2011 11:49 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and I openly admit that I made a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20, and there were a lot of contradictions having to do with what RoL said he would do, and what he did. In then end I couldn't decide which was which. The spammy arguments were a big deterant, but I won't blame it on that. With no easy decision, I decided to kill Annul, becuase he would be the biggest deterant to my plan. His protection could save everyone from me. It's unfortunet that Annul protected Node, but it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't switched votes.
hmm? What did I say to do and then fail to do?
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Best game ever
LunarDestiny: Precious (Deconduo) was my kill, Ace. Don't ever take precious away from me.
infinitestory: WTF
infinitestory: for emphasis: WTF
Artanis[Xp]: Give us 30 minutes guys, gotta sort shit out. Lotta people gonna die tonight, murrayitis might trigger.
LunarDestiny: Nooooo, why must Murrayitis trigger? Sméagol was clean until some dirty guy touched me at night.
Later
LunarDestiny: Posts PMs with a certain person named "Gollum", edited out the name to hide the identity
Pandain: so glasse and lunar are a third party? wtf?
Glasse: wat
Pandain: he said "what are you going to put in radio looney"
LunarDestiny: Shit, I messed up. Yes, glasse is Gollum.
Glasse: i told you before though, i'm not the only broadcaster
Glasse: See's LD's post ffffuuuuuuuuu
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Kavdragon, why must you repeat the same mistake I made?
Brought back bad memory.
And LSB, WTF. Why every shits blow up in this game? God damn bullet proof vest, probably made in China (I'm Chinese).
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Nononono, Chinese Bulletproof Vest doesn't stop bullets. Chinese Bulletproof vest just cheap plastic that does nothing but break in face of weak wind.
It's Taliban Bulletproof Vest. Good for suicide bombings!
+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 11 2011 11:12 annul wrote:
like seriously what the fuck is wrong with the town in this game? this had to have been the WORST town performance EVER.
every single thing i called ROL out on was correct. EVERY SINGLE THING.
I am so stupid in this game. I must realized that bullet proof is too OP for anyone to have in this game. RoL didn't do much to persuade me and I took the vest. He even urged me to that it for free.
Prior to the contract of me and RoL, I got hints from Kav that shits (his nades) blow up and you also warned me that "no one would be stupid enough to say 'free nade, cool'". If I didn't take that vest, it could have been a different game. Well, I was going to shoot chipmonkey or node, most likely chipmonkey though.
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Oh yeah, forgot the most important question.
Was it fun?
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On January 11 2011 11:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 11:49 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and I openly admit that I made a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20, and there were a lot of contradictions having to do with what RoL said he would do, and what he did. In then end I couldn't decide which was which. The spammy arguments were a big deterant, but I won't blame it on that. With no easy decision, I decided to kill Annul, becuase he would be the biggest deterant to my plan. His protection could save everyone from me. It's unfortunet that Annul protected Node, but it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't switched votes. hmm? What did I say to do and then fail to do?
Oh, you said that you were going to get obsessive about this game. You had very little in thread contribution prior to your giant argument.
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On January 11 2011 12:24 LSB wrote:
Oh yeah, forgot the most important question.
Was it fun?
Absolutly. Even though I screwed everyone over and lost, It was still the funnest Mafia game I've ever played. I loved the fast pace of everything, and I actually liked the PM/Contract stuff.
One thing that I'm realizing is that a lot of assumptions were made based off of this game being balanced. It's a test game. Should have guessed that it wasn't actually that balanced. Oh well.
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Hey! All my games are balanced!
Well actually my games are a giant back and forth fight that somehow comes down to the last second all on one person's decision. Kindof like TvT pulling off an emp on battlecruisers.
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On January 11 2011 12:26 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 11:55 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On January 11 2011 11:49 Kavdragon wrote:
Oh, and I openly admit that I made a mistake. Hind sight is 20/20, and there were a lot of contradictions having to do with what RoL said he would do, and what he did. In then end I couldn't decide which was which. The spammy arguments were a big deterant, but I won't blame it on that. With no easy decision, I decided to kill Annul, becuase he would be the biggest deterant to my plan. His protection could save everyone from me. It's unfortunet that Annul protected Node, but it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't switched votes. hmm? What did I say to do and then fail to do? Oh, you said that you were going to get obsessive about this game. You had very little in thread contribution prior to your giant argument.
I was working that day and was kind of lazy. When the game started I played it obsessively. Think about yesterday, I spent probably around 16 hours on the computer convincing you, talking to LD, and annul. I spent almost my entire yesterday trying to get annul killed. I worked a lot in PM's and stuff but contributed a bunch in thread. I think I followed through on that promise, just after the game started not while PM's were out. As mafia talking while PM's were out wasn't going to do shit except give me more time to slip up.
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On January 11 2011 12:28 Kavdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 12:24 LSB wrote:
Oh yeah, forgot the most important question.
Was it fun? Absolutly. Even though I screwed everyone over and lost, It was still the funnest Mafia game I've ever played. I loved the fast pace of everything, and I actually liked the PM/Contract stuff. One thing that I'm realizing is that a lot of assumptions were made based off of this game being balanced. It's a test game. Should have guessed that it wasn't actually that balanced. Oh well.
yeah I thought my weakest arguments came at the end of today. It was getting harder in my mind to explain why annul could protect people and I felt kind of stupid using the "It would be imba" argument on his protections. Or that he would have a second power he was lying about. My arguments I feel were very well put together until then when it started getting more scrappy. Thankfully there were only a few hours left in the day anyway and I wasn't worried about losing the lynch until Nemesis died when I realized that Kavdragon was going to be the deciding vote because if the game went another direction and didn't end Node's last minute switch would of revealed his alignment. I didn't know he had a grenade on him already too.
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Haha, rigged vests? Called that. Good thing i wanted to set up the trust for the vest. Should have noticed that you dropped it once I said that i wouldn't put it on till you flipped town.
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Well it was pointless to make the exchange. If you wanted to wait until I was dead the game would of been over. I would of given it to you to earn trust, but when you asked for that I went out and didn't come back until after the vote was over
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