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On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts?
Don't ever send out role PM's 48 hours before the game starts again. I will hunt you down, and I will kill you. I couldn't even run interference yet because the game hadn't started. It was half luck that I managed to merc LD before turning on annul with my contracts. The protections for Annul were way too cheap. At the time I gave him my money and LD gave him his he had enough money to protect the entire town for 3 days. That is insane, I don't know why he just didn't do that in the first place. LD's power seemed fine in a larger game. It was too powerful in such a small game even though I figured he wouldn't get more than one hit it still put the mafia on edge facing 2 KP's day 1 we had to avoid and somehow taking down some really OP combo of day vig/OP medic. With your rules they could of gone toe to toe with us since once the game is 2-2 it doesn't end. If we didn't disrupt that the way we did we were fucked. Hard.
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On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts?
Weirdly enough, the pace seemed just about right, probably due to the "extended" first day.
As far as different items go, I definitely think that in a larger game more variety would be welcome. The different ways KP could be created were pretty cool, but it'd be nice to have more stuff to mess around with.
I liked the way contracts work, it definitely allows creativity on the part of the players with the way they use their items. That's something that doesn't really happen with the way roles are usually distributed.
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This was an effective mafia at work. Of course, the town was a bit too trusting. I don't know if that was necessarily a bad thing.
Node and RebirthOfLeGenD joint award for MVP!
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kav you didnt think. i told you in IRC to stop this shit
your logic to me was "ROL would be pissed if i voted him, he has been my mentor and he was very angry id vote for him, i dont want him quitting TL mafia"
absolutely atrocious.
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i find it utterly inconceivable that given ALL the evidence, you believed i was more red than ROL. you knew one of us had to go. you chose me. why?
i would like to see your rationale, i really would. why did you choose me as more scummy than he, when i was claiming medic and could prove it?
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in terms of balance, my shields were ridiculously underpriced. in a larger game, it may be good at 200k, but in a 7 player game that likely wont last more than 3 days, its crazy cheap.
i love the ability to create trusts, but in fairness it may be OP. with trusts you can literally do almost anything with your items and manipulate ownership. although theres probably always a way to do this with contracts anyway (writing in modkill provisions for use/failure to return item, etc)
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On January 11 2011 11:21 annul wrote:
kav you didnt think. i told you in IRC to stop this shit
your logic to me was "ROL would be pissed if i voted him, he has been my mentor and he was very angry id vote for him, i dont want him quitting TL mafia"
absolutely atrocious.
Lol, that was what i told you. I was never that honest with you in irc about my opinion. I voted RoL because the best evidence I had at the time was against RoL. You're lack of help with me was what pushed me over. I wanted information, all the info you could give me to help with the decision, and you never really told me that much.
The reason why I killed nemesis was that he accepted my item. I gave him a fallacious description that clearly stated that if someone killed you, they would also die. Unless they were mafia. That item has absolutely no use to a townie, so I figured if he wanted it enough to buy it, he could have it.
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On January 11 2011 11:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 11:14 LSB wrote:
So what did you guys think of the game?
Too many KP? Needs non-kp items? To fast?
What about the contracts? Don't ever send out role PM's 48 hours before the game starts again. I will hunt you down, and I will kill you. I couldn't even run interference yet because the game hadn't started.
I actually like it since it effectively made day 1 longer and less of a 'what to do' period
The protections for Annul were way too cheap. At the time I gave him my money and LD gave him his he had enough money to protect the entire town for 3 days. That is insane, I don't know why he just didn't do that in the first place.
Indeed. When I made it I imagined it like a "Buy a protection" role. Same thing with Chipmonkey's role. He could buy a hit for 600k
LD's power seemed fine in a larger game. It was too powerful in such a small game even though I figured he wouldn't get more than one hit it still put the mafia on edge facing 2 KP's day 1 we had to avoid and somehow taking down some really OP combo of day vig/OP medic. With your rules they could of gone toe to toe with us since once the game is 2-2 it doesn't end. If we didn't disrupt that the way we did we were fucked. Hard.
Yeah, It was meant so that even if it was 2-2 the mafia would still had to fight.
This was balanced out by the fact that it would be really easy for the mafia to deceive the town. And one lie by the mafia can instantly translate into a death.
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Annul calm down. I out argued you extremely hard. Don't blame Kav that you couldn't convince him I was lying. What I was saying made sense and in another game could of been true. Its not his fault that you couldn't convince him better than I could. You can't blame him on believing me, you had the truth on your side and could never word it properly. I planned out how to take you and LD out knowing if I didn't we would be in deep shit. Unfortunately because of the early role PM's you guys were able to do shit before I could interfere. I had to force my move WAY earlier than I would of wanted to because if I waited we would of been fucked. It was your fault for not being more cautious and your fault for not being able to convince Kavdragon that you were innocent.
On top of that I want to note that you don't address points and you claim that your opponent doesn't. I never miss a point, I rarely ever manipulate wording. You lied quite a few times, built distrust while I appeared as transparent as possible. Your arguments never truly contradicted anything I said about you, towards the end you were making more sense but I had already beat you so far until then. Yes, it would of been a better idea to have you saving everyone for rest of the game, but you should of used that defense first. Instead you kept trying to manipulate people to keep you alive by lying about your power. You don't make yourself easy to trust while I did. That's why you lost. Ace said it the best. Mafia isn't a game about what the truth is, its a game about what you can convince people of.
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Nicely played by RoL 
kavdragon, blowing everyone up sounds like a bad plan XD
As for the game itself, I felt that there really weren't really any item that I could buy. The only things that people were really willing to sell are things that would blow me up. Probably more items that the original users can't use would be great. Also, yes too many KP.
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On January 11 2011 11:23 annul wrote:
i find it utterly inconceivable that given ALL the evidence, you believed i was more red than ROL. you knew one of us had to go. you chose me. why?
i would like to see your rationale, i really would. why did you choose me as more scummy than he, when i was claiming medic and could prove it?
I didn't think that either of you were scum. I thought that you would be able to stop me from being able to kill everyone else. I told you this was my goal earlier. That never really changed if you didn't notice.
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i didnt help you because (from my perspective*) you were acting so bad and were so blind to facts and evidence, you couldnt have possibly been a townie.
i was wrong.
* qualifying personal statement designed to mitigate what is otherwise a blatant nerdrage
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even when the game is over ROL refuses to note where i lied.
you drop walls of text and call it "beating me" -- at the end of the day, the reason you won is because this town was very, very dumb. pure and simple. you may be way too arrogant to realize that this victory is not your doing, but the failure of town to recognize simple strategy
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On January 11 2011 11:25 annul wrote:
in terms of balance, my shields were ridiculously underpriced. in a larger game, it may be good at 200k, but in a 7 player game that likely wont last more than 3 days, its crazy cheap.
Chipmonkey had a killer contract. Killing someone for 600k, so I didn't think it was that bad. Next time I'll probably impose a 1 use / 24 hr limit.
i love the ability to create trusts, but in fairness it may be OP. with trusts you can literally do almost anything with your items and manipulate ownership. although theres probably always a way to do this with contracts anyway (writing in modkill provisions for use/failure to return item, etc)
Hmmm... Removing trusts wouldn't be to bad. Or maybe a bit more about what you can do or cannot do about trusts.
Trusts are a great counteraction to the mafia deception. It does create a false sense of security though.
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On January 11 2011 11:30 annul wrote:
i didnt help you because (from my perspective*) you were acting so bad and were so blind to facts and evidence, you couldnt have possibly been a townie.
i was wrong.
* qualifying personal statement designed to mitigate what is otherwise a blatant nerdrage
Dejavu?
You = Me in XXXV
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On January 11 2011 04:44 annul wrote:
do you think it makes great game balance sense to give a mafia player a ridiculous medic ability AND some weird day vig power, as you claim i have? you are not stupid. neither am i.
ROL, i am having tremendous difficulty choosing your second partner. i think it is nemesis, but for some reason i have had tinges of doubt of kav for a while. its sad, because i want to trust him, but his analysis of the situation looks a lot like overzealous positioning for when i pop town as a way to initiate his defense of you. but nemesis is being blatantly dumb about it, node is 100% inactive despite his initial crap of "HEY im all for killing annul" and monkey makes one post with similar sketch logic against me as well. so i am pretty much stuck.
the point i guess is to look hard for the second red, in everyone. when i go, there are 5 remaining. i will be spending all of my money protecting everybody prior to my death, so no mafia should be able to get a kill through tonight. it will be 3-2. the town NEEDS to be unified tomorrow and it NEEDS to pick off a mafia. do NOT go with a third bandwagon. do not vote three people. vote for one target. or a second target. but the voting tomorrow needs to be 5-0 4-1 or 3-2. period.
this game does not end with my death.
On January 11 2011 04:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 00:37 annul wrote:
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
I AM A MEDIC AND CAN PROVE IT 100% AND NULLIFY ALL MAFIA STANDARD KP FOR THE REST OF THE GAME
what is not clear about this?
"From what I understand about your power it doesn't require you to live to work."
yes it does. So wait, you just lied to us? This is hilarious. You must really enjoy stumbling all over your words. I said you were trying to black mail us by claiming if you lived you would protect us all. Then I said that with my understanding of your power it works whether or not you are still alive. So you are blackmailing us to keep you alive. Then not even a page later you now admit you lied and your power DOES work even if you are dead now? Awesome. Another attempt at saving yourself. Your other power must be really worth it if you actually end up wasting your money trying to save people in order to keep yourself alive.
That's the shit I am talking about Annul. Do you not read or do you not remember? You claimed your power couldn't work if you were dead, when I was pretty sure it could. Then like 5 posts later you say it can be used when you die when I point out how you are blackmailing the town to let you live.
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On January 11 2011 11:29 Nemesis wrote:Nicely played by RoL kavdragon, blowing everyone up sounds like a bad plan XD As for the game itself, I felt that there really weren't really any item that I could buy. The only things that people were really willing to sell are things that would blow me up. Probably more items that the original users can't use would be great. Also, yes too many KP.
Dude! I was an epic plan! Blowing everyone up works 100% of the time if you can pull it off.
As for items you could have bought. Yeah, I was hopeing that Annul and Chip would start selling services openly to make a huge profit.
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Annul, RebirthOfLeGenD please take the argument to PMs
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where did i say "it can be used when i die?"
quote this directly, please. i asked for this in the game and i ask for it now.
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the readers of this game need to see this resolution, this is important
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