|
On January 10 2011 05:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Because it would be stupid to kill him. If I was mafia I would of done EXACTLY what you did. I do what I can to CONTROL the town's KP. IE: messaging him, exactly what you did. If you can influence the town KP and make sure it doesn't hit red you are essentially doubling your KP as mafia. If you have a protection ability you can use that to influence him and believe you are town aligned and on top of that you can just NOT protect him whenever you see him as a threat then kill him. The problem came when you KNEW he was going to get a BPV. That meant you couldn't guarantee he would die when you wanted him to die which is very risky if he starts getting suspicious of you. You would basically be facing a town aligned serial killer which is scary as fuck.
this is ridiculously WIFOM. i knew, based on the logs i just pasted above, that your plan was fishy to begin with. in a game where EVERY OTHER MEMBER must die, there needs to be some restriction to no-death items/abilities. if he could literally never die, the game is de facto imbalanced since that team can never lose. instead, i can also say that you knew you could make this argument when you used your ability on LD, given the information you knew. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
i have always made the point to say i am "essentially" unkillable -- there are ways around it, of course. obviously i wont say what these ways are. but your ability, as you claimed, is unbeatable and would render the entire game moot.
|
On January 10 2011 04:48 annul wrote:
LSB: if a player were to have an ability that once activated, passively save's a person's life from death; would that player 1. be told that the ability was activated (prior to death), and 2. that, once a kill was attempted, that the ability saved that player?
need answer to this
|
my DT plan is irrelevant now since it relied on having LD alive.
the role i would have played will not be revealed, since it could still have late game relevance down the line
|
you know what bothers me as well? node and monkey are AWOL
|
okay. well, apparently i am not unlynchable.
Original Message From LSB: You can post this PM chain if you want. Show nested quote +Original Message From annul: the ability does not say i get night life. it says i gain +1 life for 48 hours. well fuck i am glad i asked i guess Original Message From LSB: You can't be protected from a lynch. Besides for Ace's role in segunko (which was just weird), the lynch has historically killed everyone regardless of protection / night lives. Original Message From annul: ?? wtf Original Message From LSB: Nope. Lynch is the kill all. For example, a veteran can be lynched. Original Message From annul:
my ability says i gain "+1 life" for 48 hours
this means i am unlynchable while this is active, correct?
|
LSB: if a lynch vote is 3-3, is it a no lynch or does the person to reach 3 first get lynched?
|
nm i re-read rule 5
there are 6 players left. it is clear mafia will want to kill me with a lynch. LSB just essentially confirmed (at least some elements of) my role.
2 will be on me. this means the first nonmafia to vote me will likely be the thing that loses the game for town. we only have 6 players now. be very careful with this decision
|
what you said is WIFOM because i can make the exact same argument one step further with you
"you knew you could argue that i knew i could do X..." etc.
|
there is no guarantee that the vest can do what you say it can do, either. it COULD stop X things, but it may not, we cant know for sure.
|
this is what ROL is doing
he is distorting words and attempting to pull the wool over people's heads.
|
that clause was written in the contract before he knew what i was. the contract had 5 clauses in it, that was one of them.
|
okay, i just thought of something game-breaking.
i can PROVE, 100% of the time, that i am what i say i am
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who wishes to see the abilities i have, what they are and can do, etc, can see it.
i will contract with every player in this game to do the following
i will agree to create a trust entitled "annul proves his abilities to (your name)", to which i will transfer "all my items and money." both myself and (your name) will be joint trustees, and neither player will be able to use the items or money in the trust without the consent of the other. annul may revoke the trust at any time."
i will then consent to allow you to use your money to protect yourself. when you send in the command to LSB to "buy protection for yourself using the defense contact" (my item's name), when the money is deducted from your account and the protection is granted, you will see what the contact does: 48 hours of +1 life for 200000 kronos. unlimited usage as long as you have the money.
because the contract is worded in a way where i give ALL my money and items to the trust, there is no room for manipulation - you will see ALL that i have (which is only the contact/money). i cant hold anything back the way the K is written. you will see it, you will have access to my protection, and with your own money, you will buy yourself 48 hours of an extra life.
every single player who wishes to do this will get the chance to do so by me. AIM me at annulvapore for quicker contact, or PM me.
|
because we need to submit the same exact contract language to LSB in order for it to be approved. since your contract will read the same as mine, what i am "giving up" is known to you - ALL my items and money.
|
when you attempt to use it and LSB confirms that you are protected, that should be an implicit "description" of the item, right?
|
IS THERE ANY PLAYER IN THIS GAME RIGHT NOW who has an ability that is not dependent on an item of some type? i sure dont. i dont think they exist.
i can PROVE to you that i am a medic. prove it. I CAN PROVE I AM A MEDIC. i am willing to allow every player get protection every single night phase. there will be no standard mafia kills for the entire game. not one. i will perform the same contract with every living player during the night phase provided i am alive. every single player will be able to buy an extra life for 200k for 48 hours however many times they want.
like i really dont know how much more pro-town a player needs to be than to promise five extra lives to players whenever they want them -- and be able to deliver.
|
the fact that ROL looks at what i am willing to do and says "WELP too bad kill him anyway" is the clearest sign that he is a mafia.
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
|
furthermore, ROL contends LSB cannot confirm/deny abilities. if there are abilities outside of the items given to us that i dont know about, then yes, this is true. but assuming we only derive our power from the items, then this is NOT true and LSB can "confirm" my item list by the language i wrote in the proposed K above.
|
On January 10 2011 17:01 annul wrote:
THINK, town. specifically, think monkey and think nemesis. whichever one of you is not the second red, THINK really hard about what i am promising the town.
one of you needs to revote off of me, otherwise i AM dead with 3 votes and being the first to reach 3, even if node and kav hit ROL with me in the future.
|
as far as i know neither node nor kav have voted. i am well aware you nemesis and monkey are on me.
LSB CAN confirm the presence of all ITEMS in one's possession. so, again, i ask does anyone in this game have an ability that is not powered by an item? if anyone wishes to claim this, i have a way to prove it 100% as well. you prove all your items using the K trick i discussed above, and then you write a second K saying "agree to use an ability other than the ones derived from (item A/B/C/whatever). failure to do so within 5 minutes of contract execution will result in an immediate modkill."
so they then prove it, or they die. pretty easy to do.
but with all of the above being said, and with all of the contract tricks involved to verify claims, there is one very very critical point you continue to overlook. I AM PROMISING MEDIC PROTECTION TO EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THIS GAME. every single non-voting death can be prevented. every single one. since there will be 5 players left once the voting finishes, and mafia only has 1 night kill, EVERY single possible night kill can be prevented in this game. with 1 mill to use, there is enough money to save players 5 times. and i will allow every player to use my item to do this.
|
think about the implications behind what i am offering. in a normal game, if someone CLAIMED medic and then said they could prove, ONE HUNDRED percent of the time, that they are medic, by completely nullifying the mafia's standard night KP... town lynches them? what? of fucking course not.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
