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But first off I thought by making this post we could steer the town in a positive direction, towards more content oriented pots and less spam one liners. That has been a major problem in almost all games I’ve played in, and there are multiple reasons why it is specifically bad, but I’ll focus on the main two. 1.It makes vital/important information get lost in the spam One thing I personally am going to start doing and suggest others to follow(especially in the case of long posts) is to add a “summary” of what you’re trying to say in your post. And the second reason, that spam leads to a “wild town”, that is, one that has really no direction and no order, leading to really just a non caring environment. The only way to win this game is through scum hunting, and scum hunting requires both posts to analyze and people that will analyze those posts. When posting, try not only to give your thoughts, but why as well. Spend those extra crucial minutes to think out your post, to make it better. Remember, being active does not mean spamming everywhere. I prize one well thought out post over 10 spammy posts. ADVICE ON ROLES Townie- some people don’t like townie, I love it! What’s special about a townie is that really your goal is to take up mafia hits. You want to be so active, and pro town, that mafia have to waste a hit on you. Basically try to act like a blue, but also be active, because dying isn’t bad! DT- Check people you find suspicious. Those can either be those who fit the category of “contributing without contributing” (people who post just to get by/people who seem to post a lot but don’t really have any real content) or suspicious people in general. If you find a red, don’t claim. Instead, either claim to another person who’s confirmed(post day 1 obviously then) or just make an analysis on him and get him lynched. If you find a green, then keep that in mind. There is a godfather so keep that in mind before you think about claiming, since that’s what happened in another game with south rawrea being a “confirmed blue” but was really godfather. Basically, just don’t claim anytime soon. Medic-Protect those you think are blue or those who are actively contributing. . Vigi- I still think this should really be a town decision who to shoot. There are so many times when town is going to need that extra certain kp in situations in the future, in addition to the fact that most likely you will shoot a town. Only shoot if we tell you too, or(and I’m being very cautious on this) you just know Mad Hatter- Lay bombs on people you think are red’s, pretty easy. Veteran - Same as townie. Be as active as possible(no spam!), your goal IS to get shot. WHAT TO DO FOR TODAY I say to do this ery day, I say to do this now. Town should lynch inactives. This is actually a somewhat complicated process. Right now in the beginning I will just begin voting people(pressuring) until they make enough of a meaningful post and then I’ll vote someone else. Now, the point is to lynch those who “contribute without really contributing” not those who are just going to get modkilled. That is why at the end it’ll end up being one of the “semi lurkers”, not the dead ones. SUMMARY 1.Contribute without spamming 2.Be active, make well thought out posts. 3.Lynch the semi inactives, inactives for now. | ||
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But most curious of all is the sudden bandwagon on me. RoL and Coag I can explain off to jokes, but then Mr. Wiggles and treehugger voting me is quite curious. May both of you explain your votes? Summary 1.Mr. Wiggles had not contributed well, which is why I voted him. | ||
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On December 27 2010 13:31 seRapH wrote: Since we're discussing lynching inactives (which at this point I mostly agree with unless something drastically better pops up) what are we using to define "inactive"? <5 posts? No meaningful posts? And how will we pick the inactive? Or should we all pick our own inactive to lynch? I really should have clarified this. When I say we are lynching inactives, we are not just lynching inactives, we are really lynching people who "contribute without really contributing." As in, we're trying to pressure people who don't talk so that people will talk. Basically, if someone hasn't made a meaningful post, I'm going to vote for them. I'm picking them somewhat at random, but really we should all decide on one(and then another, and so forth like I'm doing) so that the pressure is really there. On December 27 2010 13:34 TheMango wrote: I thought inactives were automatically mod killed/replaced? Also, isn't it way too early to even vote now, since i'd say half the people have yet to post/read their role PM's? This would make sense however there is more than one reason to start voting now. By starting out with the "be active or die" stance people are encouraged to post from the start. The main problem with day 1 is the lack of information, and sometimes day 2 happens and since no one posted, we're basically at the same state as day 2. Votes serve a double purpose right now: they generate discussion and they get people to post meaningful content. | ||
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But first, I'd like to congragulate everyone and helping keep this thread so far much better than others, with long posts and everything. ![[image loading]](http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/glitters/y/yay_we_did_it-6035.gif) Fadoodle yeah! But going forward, I still see no reason to vote me. So far I have been doing what I do every game, that is, getting town in a postive way forward with content oriented posts. What I'm doing actually isn't so much getting more analysis(although it is), its encouraging an atmosphere of contribution and thought. I voted Mr. Wiggles because he hadn't really been contributing, he had just been spamming. But lately he has actively been contributing with long well thought out posts. Mission accomplished. I voted Jackal for the same reason, but actually am inclined now to vote for someone else with his excuse, but will actively be pressuring him in PM land to contribute more so. Jackal, that's why your being voted. Contribute more and I'll lay off you. But as I was reading, Lunar destiny was right. What if they're just afk? Then we could just spend a whole day voting osmeone but they won't even read the thread to be able to respond! Which is partly why I'm unvoting jackal as of now. I will be looking for someone else to vote. You guys are voting me. I urge you to help me in getting this town on the right track. Too many times town ends up in day 2 with nothing more than like 10 one line posts over the course of day 1, because there was just too much spam/not real discussion. So far I've been pleased with how this has been going so far. But just want to now start talking about what's currently been happening. 1.I do not think we should vote LSB. Plainly, he has been contributing alot so far, more than most of the people already. Plainly, if he is mafia, then we'll most likely catch him anyway. We should not be lynching actives, even if we have a slight suspicion that he's mafia. Obviously if we have a good inkling I suppose we should go for it(as in team melee mafia 2 incog fingered lsb day 1) but right now there's really nothing on LSB, and I wouldn't want to lynch an expierenced player. Plus there are some problems with your analysis, but I'll just name a few. 1. If you are hit, then u should claim. LSB was right. Becuase mafia can't tell if ur vet or just protected or what. 2.You're mistaking jokes for real content. (aka when lsb said coag got banned so dr. h could join) 3.The only real suspicious thing about him is his somewhat spammy nature. The most important of which being number 3, but that is certainly not a reason to lynch him when he's already contributed alot. As for the DT checks, that's more appropiate for talk during the night(less time for mafia to manipualte) but we can talk about it now. Personally I'm leaning towards checking people who "contribute without contributing." Don't just check the inactives, they're most likely bored townies. Don't just check big name players, most likely they're going to be framed/picked godfather. We should pick those who seem to be pro town, but fail to actually contribute. Obviously this can change. If you really have a good read on someone, check them But that's just some advice. | ||
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A journey into... Summary: LSB is either vigi or Scum. I'm leaning towards scum. I think there's a 90% chance he is scum, and even if we lose a vigi, it's not like its game over. If he was a DT I would rethink it, but plainly I think I'm confident enough to lynch him despite his blue claim. From his very early blue claim to his pms with me, LSB has been playing very scummy and out of his norm. From super defensiveness and counter aggresion on Annul, to nitpicking at small details when debating, and making contradictions left and right, I feel confident that LSB is scum. Spam: + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2010 10:38 LSB wrote: Nvm, doesn't seem like there are mayoral elections On December 27 2010 10:37 LSB wrote: If there are mayoral elections, will you help me make my campaign poster? On December 27 2010 10:35 LSB wrote: I say we lynch ~OpZ~ because his town play and mafia play is indistinguishable. On December 27 2010 10:27 LSB wrote: Flamwheel/Incog forgot to send me who my teammates were, can you PM me them? Thanks! On December 27 2010 11:11 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + I wanted to wait for the day post before posting this but w/e All right, in many games there was an uneventful first day. Lets not make this one of those games. A few things to talk about:
Inactives: A big problem in every mafia game is inactivity. I don't want another drag_ being able to squeak by with barely any posts. We should immediately show it is not okay to be inactive. Inactive players hurt the town as they waste lynches down the road as the town will need to try to separate the mafia from the inactives. We should therefore push to lynch an inactive day one. This will force the assassins to discuss and not be able to turtle, increasing the chance they will slip up. The key is that we have to make sure the town knows it is not okay to just simply sit back and not do anything. This way, hopefully everyone will be active and we won't need to lynch an inactive. Plan Firstly. DO NOT CLAIM DO NOT CLAIM Good now that we got that out of the way, some other ideas. Generic Blue Activity plan One plan that would work is to use the blue roles to promote activity in the town. The DTs should check the inactive people and the lurkers, as it is incredibly difficult if not impossible to tell the difference between a bored townie and a lurking mafia. The Medics should protect active players, this way the mafia won't be able to take out the people who are contributing the most to town, so people won't be scared of trying to put forth their opinions. Framer Issue: Framers are much better put to use framing the important townies. So any attempt by the mafia for framing the inactives would be a waste. First real post. I do like this post, for the most part. Gives the traditional opening advice speech thing, and a good overalll post. However, I do want to nitpick a bit at the content of this post. Yes, we don't want inactives. But there's a different between lynching the lurkers and lynching the inactives. Furthormore, having DT's check those people as well, and medics protect active people, just makes it far too easy for mafia to actually manipulate town BY being active. Perhaps he didn't clarify that he wanted to lynch lurkers, but i have a neutral read on this. On December 27 2010 11:18 LSB wrote: Lets say Coagulation tells Doctor H that he is the medic. That's a claim Let's not do that this game k On December 27 2010 11:25 LSB wrote: Of course. There's a few cases where claiming is okay. 1) You are about to be lynched. Don't expect this to save you, but it would be nice to tell the town what happens 2) DT checks you. The DT then messages you and say that "I know your role is [insert green/blue role here]. This is mainly used when the DT finds a red, and also finds a green. The green becomes the "DT Mouth" and tells the Town what the DT found out. 3) The Medic successfully protects you. Assuming that it wasn't a hit from the mad hatter, if the medic protects someone, that person probably isn't mafia. 4) The town thinks of some super awesome plan. The issue is when blues jump the gun and start claiming before they confirmed someone. That's a great way to get our blues sniped. (See Salem Mafia. For a short summary, look at the article in the Pony Express) I like this post, don't really have anything bad with this. On December 27 2010 11:27 LSB wrote: Check out Pokemafia. Basically the entire mafia team, except for DCXLIV and Kavdragon posted once a day, and made sure they voted. That's what lurking is. gives info. On December 27 2010 11:43 LSB wrote: TheMango, just a question, why is it that when I try stalking you some of you posts don't show up in your post history? blah(and then he spams for 3 more posts) On December 27 2010 12:37 LSB wrote: What do you feel about lynching inactives / spammers? What do you feel that the blues should do? Gets people to talk. On December 27 2010 12:43 LSB wrote: That was at Incog/Flamewheel On December 27 2010 12:43 LSB wrote: Can I write one then? spam On December 27 2010 13:26 LSB wrote: I don't believe Pandain is mafia just because he fingered Mr. Wiggles. Clearly at the time Mr. Wiggles did not contribute anything, and Pandain just voted to accent his point. Indeed, as Ver put in his town guide, spamming can be detrimental to the town. Now, I don't belive we should lynch Mr. Wiggles. It is far to early to tell anything about him, and also I'd rather lynch a lurker/inactive than a spammer. His first real "analysis" post, rather than the what I shall call "informative" posts(those being where you just give information without explanation.) I'm going to note that LSB has been active so far, and has, at least in my opinion, been contributing greatly. So far, LSB has been pro town. On December 27 2010 13:37 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + Disclaimer: I don't believe that we'll actually lynch an inactive. How about Zero meaningful posts? If all they have is spam and one vote with an explination of "I agree". That would be an inactive Or if we seriously have no idea what to do, we could lynch someone about to be modkilled, a way to essentially abstain Abstaining=bad. You should know this. On December 28 2010 00:40 LSB wrote: DTs should be using mouths to claim if someone is red or not, it shouldn't be an issue since we can use PMs this game. Hmm... Never noticed him @LunarDestiny What do you think we should do about inactives then? another"what do you think" On December 28 2010 00:43 LSB wrote: The question is whether the defensiveness is because he was a bit touchy, or if it is because he's sweating as Mafia. Note, Meapak has never been mafia yet. And always, someone's first game as mafia is very loose (I should know), and super defensiveness is incredibly telling. Now that I think about it, you have been quite defensive. On December 28 2010 01:15 LSB wrote: Firstly, pointing out that someone isn’t on topic isn’t analysis. It’s just plain distracting. Why don’t you include my two posts at the start of the game? Their spam too! Please read Pokemafia. Thanks! Help me then. What analysis could I do at that point? Read the thread please Do you seriously think that I need to pretend to be active? Why don't you analyze my defense of Pandain, what does it say? Nice ‘analysis’ yourself btw. Okay, big post. First I want to point out how LSB has constantly said "he hardly defends himself", in both thread and to me in PMs. And I'll later show you pms showing how he claims annul knew LSB wouldn't defend himself, and just posted his analysis of LSB and hoped people would forget about it. But look at how this post is. 1.Criticizes annul for pointing out LSB's spam, saying it isn't "analysis." 2.Only responds to specific portotions, the weakest ones, or ones that don't even have analysis. This post looks long, but really isn't. He's hardly responded, while seeming to. On December 28 2010 01:34 LSB wrote: Personally, I would like DT checks on the inactives. That could be an easy way to clear people. That does bring up an issue, we should make it so that there is some way for the DT to be able to say what they checked, so that when they die, their information doesn't get lost. What if at the start of every day, people just randomly say a person's name, and a role. The DTs would say who they checked and someone's role. It would look something like this + Show Spoiler + LSB is Townie Infun is Mafia DTA is DT LSB writes I checked Infun, he's medic Infun writes I checked LSB, he's mafia DTA writes I checked Infun, he's mafia And so when DTA dies, we can go back and check out his checks Innovative, but a bad idea. By this means if a DT did find someone, they couldn't just lead a charge against him via analysis without claiming, it would all be too easy for mafia then to figure that out. Still, for thinking up new ideas, I'm going to call this pro town. On December 28 2010 02:52 LSB wrote: Well remember, there are only 2 DTs. Although this might help the mafia confirm who is who, there will be a lot more than 2 people getting all the roles right. Also, once the DT establishes a mouth, this could be a way for the DT to throw off the mafia, by posting false responses in the thread in order to get off the hit list. This I don't like. Here he actually admits the problems with the plan. He admits that it could help mafia find out who is who, and says "well, maybe more than one person got it right!"Actually, that's pretty unlikely considering again, if they lead a charge against you, its likely they checked you and are dt. And it'll be easy to find out if they did check you. On December 28 2010 03:08 LSB wrote: Remember, if we pull this off, all thirty people will be telling what's going on. Basically you have a 50/50% of getting someone's role right. (Okay maybe a bit less, but not much). A dt can easily hide within the mass of people getting the roles correct Now as for the fakeout Exactly, the DT will only do this when there is an established mouth. It's alot less. Maybe he just really likes plans(he does) and WANTS it to work, but his insistence is worrying me. On December 28 2010 04:48 LSB wrote: What do you think of my plan? What do you think about the use of DT mouths? Indeed I agree that it could be a mafia tell. I do have a few people in mind in this game. However, these people are so much easier to analyze than someone like Oceanic in Pokemafia. Don't like this. Especialy the end statement, he says he's suspicious of someone without saying why. This is a very commen mafia tell, because unless you're waiting to see how they respond, there's no point not sharing with the town. And you can tell he's not waiting to see how they respond because he said this. On December 28 2010 04:51 LSB wrote: Lol yay we're not spamming irony yayayayay On December 28 2010 05:25 LSB wrote: I've seen it many times actually. Kenpachi/Coagulation (Almost, but we switched)- Deconduo's Don't lose your village game Me/Pyrr- TLMMM 2 Me- Harry Potter Mafia Masq- Haunted Mafia Bill Murray (Almost, but Ace made us switch x.x)- Penalty Mafia And many others... doesn't really contribute here either :/ On December 28 2010 05:26 LSB wrote: Okay, now your post makes a bit more sense. But the point still stands. Why is it so bad to put pressure on one person and then move? Why is this better than RNG? again asks more from people without giving his own stuff so much. On December 28 2010 05:40 LSB wrote: Yes but we would be pointing fingers at every single inactive. We wouldn't just focus on one (Like how a lynch would work), we would just take notice of people and ask them questions. On a somewhat related note... Well, there's a few good discussion points right now. Like what do you think of me? As for TheMango, I'll PM him then Continues with the inactive speech. And again states the "what do you think." On December 28 2010 06:15 LSB wrote: Let's see what you have done this game. 1. Giant wall of text that pretends to be contributing+ Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 01:00 annul wrote: what is the point of this post? acting as if he is mafia to create the impression he is not mafia? WIFOM surely, but think about it what is the point of this? instant attempt to form a wagon on someone who hasnt even posted yet and the game had just started? two posts to seem active and he answers his own question a minute later. point of this? "should we lynch an inactive?" <-- probably knows mafia is most likely to at least pay attention to the thread enough to evade being labeled inactive. probably knows even if there are mafia inactives, he can choose any other town inactive and maintain the aura of "hey im helping out town" the rest of this is informative sure, but common sense? but the line "We should therefore push to lynch an inactive day one." worries me. much better to hit an active scummy person and LSB should know this. "DO NOT CLAIM" is good advice, and i would like to say obvious, but given current history and shit it isnt =\ 1 and 2 are fine, 3 is not - you don't claim here, you just admit to being hit - preferably to town circle if you know where it is. 4 is a catch-all sure, but claiming day 1 to a "super awesome plan" is a horrible idea. that said though, LSB is providing pure information (some of which is sketchy) and no analysis. this early it is usually fine but consider it in the light of his earlier postings? it is like he wants to be active but isnt contributing valuable stuff. common sense information fair question! ? more "hit inactives" crap - this is bad. also maybe a blue fish? wants to write a day post. uh huh. keep this in mind with the "try to appear active but not" lens. HEY something of content, cool. sort of defense of pandain and blatant defense of mr. wiggles. sadly the rationale of "inactives instead!" is scummy. dunno how to analyze this -- information that isnt common sense (or meant to filibuster) is fine, and even i didnt know this one. id say this gets a pass yes, lets lynch people with zero meaningful posts. LSB, you up? or yes lets lynch a modkill target because those are almost certainly going to be town and we want to lynch towns, yes. you too. good idea, i like this, but why sign up and then insta modkill on purpose? if youre replaced its not like you can consider any potential wins by the mafia as wins for you -- you are considered not to have even played the game. seems like something nobody should ever do on purpose and if they do, metagaming at its finest. buuuut then we haaaave..... "DONT WORRY ABOUT BEING INACTIVE LOL" after his entire campaign day 1 was "kill the inactives" -- whaaaat? what is this inconsistency? yes coagulation got a 14 day ban on purpose to "help" his mafia team day 1, this makes perfect sense. ***************** in conclusion, LSB has been making pure nonposts and/or pure informative posts without analysis, with the two exceptions being his insistence on the "kill inactives" theme and his defenses of pandain and mr. wiggles. yet he has like 30 posts up while saying almost absolutely nothing. my vote is on LSB now. Notice that Annul quotes every single post I made. This is just silly. Sure, I like to spam. But do you really need to point out every single instance? At least put it in a spoiler. The reason why Annul does this is to put some kind of useless contributing so that he can increase his post length. For example take LMNOP in WaW mafia. He just posted long walls of text and came off as green and helpful. He still tries to build this facade of his contributions. + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 05:49 annul wrote: you mean like you? i think ~24/30 of this game will agree that i have contributed much more analysis to this game than you have. the 6 who wont are you and your five mafia teammates. if there are seven mafia or eight mafia then it will be 23/30 and 22/30 who will agree with this. =\ He's trying to set up the fact that he's a good contributor. And then he tries to establish his greenies just because he makes long posts. 2. He doesn't want to do anything about inactives + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 01:27 annul wrote: 1. i read pokemafia. still a horrible idea to lynch inactives over active scum Comming from a game of Pokemafia, I know the damage that an inactive can do. He simply dismisses any discussion over an inactive without much reason 3. He makes a faulty analysis that is forced + Show Spoiler + Well, let's look at how substantial his posts are 2. you could do whatever analysis you please? all i know is you didnt do any Firstly, up to this point, barely anyone had posted anything. Intrestingly enough, I've posted many reasoning on blue actions, and how to deal with inactives. Yet Annul brushes it aside. I've clearly analyzed Pandain. And yet he claims that I have done nothing? 3. evidently you do need to pretend to be active, since you did for ~30 posts I'm pretending to be active. This would be a valid concern, if I did nothing but spam. However, I have pleanty of posts that arn't spam, and far more than Annul. 4. it says you are defending pandain? i dont understand what you are asking me to do Note: He doesn't analyze my actions At all. All he does it point out spam. From his 'analysis' we can see a few things. 1) His reasoning is incredibly flawed. He ignores all meaningfull posts and focuses on the spam 2) This analysis is probably forced. There are many inconsistancies he can't explain so he simply ignores it. 4. Annul posts without brining anything new + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 05:39 annul wrote: this worries me i already highlighted LSB's defense of pandain. now pandain is defending LSB on my FOS. in and of itself that is fine but his rationale is "if hes mafia, we'll catch him anyway" ... whaaaaaat? basically pandain is saying "so what if he acts scummy day 1, if hes mafia he will act scummy days 2-X and we can lynch him then" <--- am i missing something here when i call this horrible logic? on point: i am not so sure public claiming of being hit is 100% the smart play, but am willing to be persuaded on this strategy debate. note that even if LSB turns out correct and this is the proper strategy, it does not acquit him of scumminess. second, "mistaking jokes for real content" makes me scratch my head. can anyone just out and say "JUST KIDDING LOL" if someone calls them up on something? i think a big part of my case against him is in the spammy nature, as you call it. he posts a lot without actually posting a lot, you know what i mean? its that plus his case against inactives that bothers me. Lets take a look at what he said 1) I said stuff before 2) I feel that not claiming being hit is a good idea. wtf? Remember, always claim if your hit. The mafia knows who they hit. The town doesn't. Why not share the information? 3) Let's talk about something irrevelent 4) LSB spams As you can see. He did not post anything new. All he did was re-highlight points he made before. And then describe his feelings. This is the post that first set me off about LSB. Beforehand, he had been acting what I would call pro town. Contributing, being pretty reasonable for the mots part. But this post, it just doesn't seem right. First off he picks at annul for silly reasons, like including every post of LSB in his analysis. I do that, why can't annul? LSB then goes on to say that he did this because he wanted to seem to be contributing without really contributing, but I would definitely consider such a post to be contributing.Throughout this entire post LSB is trying to show that annul tried to force his analysis on LSB, but really it just seems like this post is forced. Furthormore he made a giant leap with his #2, that annul doesn't want to lynch inactives. In fact, LSB quoted a post annul made but totally misinterpeteted it. Annul said that he would rather lynch active scum over inactives, which is something I would most likely agree with. But LSB took this way out of context, similar to what I did with Dr. H in haunted mafia. For #3 he hardly elaborates on the inconsistencies stated, and I find that suspicious. Furthormore, look at this post. I'm pretending to be active. This would be a valid concern, if I did nothing but spam. However, I have pleanty of posts that arn't spam, and far more than Annul. Perhaps I am looking to far in, but that post seems to imply: 1.He WAS pretending to be active, but that's okay because he also had meaningful posts. The first part is the most important. And #4 is wrong, as no one had accused LSB beforehand. On December 28 2010 06:38 LSB wrote: + Show Spoiler + What's PBPA? And the key point I'm making is that, I did not ignore or brush off your analysis. The key point is that if I can respond to every single one of your points in a post that is a fraction of the length http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=14#275, it means that your analysis is fluff No it is not. You still do not have any solution to deal with inactives. We've been talking about plans, however your voice is suspiciously absent. We cannot just ignore inactives. We ignored inactives in Pokemafia and we lost the game You are asking to "worry about the inactive at a later date". This is not taking a position What about my analysis of Pandain? You have not address this in any point. In fact you ignore it right here All right. Tell me what I should have analyized then? Should attack you because you haven't posted yet? No! I did not make any analysis in the first few hours of the game because you cannot. It is impossible to deduce who the mafia are from a simple day post. And when I did make analysis, it was when a lot of post had gathered up. But you chose to ignore this This is not unfair. This is me pointing out what happens. Read above 1) I analyze Pandain. You pointed out that I analyzed Pandain. 2) You say that I didn't analyze anyone. It's laugable because it's your attempt at posting nothing. I don't like this post. FIrst off he brushes asides annul's analysis, saying he addressed it(and linking to where he "did." But if you'll look up to when I comment on that post, he really didn't, preffering instead to nit pick at small details. Furthormore, he constantly speaks of his "analysis of me", but that was only like what, one sentence long? On December 28 2010 07:34 LSB wrote: A big argument between two people never gets much done, so I'll just keep this short. Before you go vote for me. Go through my posts. There are clear examples of me taking positions and analysis. There is a big difference between what Annul wants you to believe, and what I said. Probably most of it is from a misunderstanding. I don't provide analysis in a game for a while. Annul probably saw the tail end of my Shockeyy analysis. However, that happened on day two. I'm not letting up on Annul. But just trying to keep the thread focused on inactives. Tries to stop the huge war between annul and LSB. Possibly pro town, possibly not. It depends. But the most important about this post is here he says Annul is just misunderstanding. As you'll see later he constantly will and has said that annul is saying this because he's mafia. Note the contradictions. On December 28 2010 07:40 LSB wrote: Indeed. 1/4 are basically the same thing. How about this. With a bit more explanation. 1) Makes posts that don't do much, but pretend to be contributing. Then congratulates himself of all the contributions that he did. This is a mafia manuver. See LMNOP in WaW mafia 2) Although Annul says inactives hurt the town, he has not done anything to attempt to deal with the problem. He has shot down all attempts at working together a solution without offering a reason, let alone an alternative. This is a decidedly anti-town maneuver, as leaving the inactives alone will lose us the game. See Pokemafia 3) Annul analysis is forced. This is incredibly telling. See my analysis on SR in TMM2, I was mafia and I made a forced junk analysis in order to try to take off heat. 1.When did Annul congragulate himself? 2. It's not like annul shot down the plans, he just thinks your mafia and trying to get you lynched. 3.You never showed Annul's analysis is forced. On December 28 2010 07:49 LSB wrote: So why didn't I just let Pandain fall? I could have attacked him Btw, why is Pandain scum? ty  On December 28 2010 08:09 LSB wrote: Okay, sure, TheMango voted for me. If you want, you can choose. Just RNG a number from this list I don't get this. LSB can you explain? On December 28 2010 08:36 LSB wrote: My best explanation of this has to do with how I acted in Harry Potter Mafia and Pokemafia. There was this giant bandwagon on me day one, and I didn't really do much about it. In Pokemafia I just dismissed analysis against me and didn't do much about it. This game is different as Annul's analysis was horrendious and sparked some alarms. I then sat back and watched as Annul kept it up. This is why I'm openly attacking him now. + Show Spoiler + Well... Harry Potter Mafia, I didn't bother with the bandwagon because the plan was basically to get me lynched.... thanks DocH x.x Don't like this post either. First off he says that annul's analysis was horrendus, when really it wasn't. LSB is only saying it was for petty reasons like "he included every post I made." Furthormore, he notes that he defended himself in HP mafia BECAUSE he was mafia. Finally, again contradicts himself with the previous statement that annul is just misunderstanding. On December 28 2010 11:42 LSB wrote: Let's refocus on inactives. There are two lurkers/inactives that have voted so far. 6. TheMango- I consider him a lurker as he hasn't offered insight on anything. 30. ~OpZ~- Hasn't done much in thread. He has PMed me, but I don't know if he is actually active. If why/Brocket/GeorgeClooney gets around to voting/posting, we could switch the lynch. But currently we should push to lynch the people who actually aren't in danger of being modkilled. People probably with say that I have a conflict of interest with TheMango since he voted for me. So I'm find with voting off ~OpZ~ Interestingly here we find him trying to redirect the conversatino back to the inactives. I prodded him about this and he says it was because he said foolishness told him to try to refocus on the inactives. I will believe him. But I don't like how he's trying to put focus on the mango, when there are far better canidates. The mango, while not doing huge analysis's, has been giving his opinions and analyzing things. There are other people who have hardly even spoken as of yet. So :/ On December 28 2010 15:39 LSB wrote: I'm confused. Can someone point out my scummy posts? I want to see if you all actually read what I wrote or just mouthing information from Annul. As for the OpZ inactive lynch, he has posted a bit now. But he hasn't really said anything besides what other people had posted. Don't like this either. The purpose of voting inactives is so they post. If they do, even if it's not that great, as long as he gives his opinions its time to go to the next person. I find it suspicious that he would rather lynch people like opz instead of people like shockey or brocket. On December 29 2010 00:33 LSB wrote: OMGUS: The point is, lets say I do an analysis of you, and its all lies. Wouldn't you be suspicious of me? It would be selfish of me to not do anything about it. As a townie I have a responsibility to attack Annul, even though it may be a bit scummy Inactives: In case you haven't noticed, I've been dealing with the inactives using blue roles. I proposed we deal with inactives by a combination of DT checks and mass cover by everyone allowing the DTs to safely . The thing is, this plan was immediatly dismissed by people who probably didn't read the thread. All they say is "well, lets not rely on DTs". In addition, as I've said, we should lynch an inactive only when there iw no obvious mafia canditdate. Given that I found a obvious mafia candidate... I don't like this post. First off the statement "As a townie I have a responisibility to attack Annul, even though it may be a bit scummy" sets off alarms in my head. First off, how would you have a responsibility to do that. And he even admits it is scummy. And also contradicts that he just thought annul was misunderstanding, now saying he's mafia. On December 29 2010 00:37 LSB wrote: If you guys divert the lynch, I will prove, without a doubt, my role at the end of night two. Ho ho ho. Now this is very intersting. From these statements we can deduce that LSB is either vigi or DT(most likely the former.) And as he says, and will say in the future(and in pms to me) he can PROVE that he's his role. That also hints to him being vigi. But what I don't like about this claim is he claimed so early. If he is blue, why would he claim already when he still has like 10 hours to go? Usually you wait until like at the very least 3 hours before lynch, not 10 hours before. On December 29 2010 00:37 LSB wrote: Maybe earlier On December 29 2010 02:14 LSB wrote: I am claiming blue. Just not what role. As for convincing you. It impossible since your attack is forced and you left reason a long while ago. Don't like this either. Note that LSB has never really address Annul, instead poking at small details. And this is very similar to what I did vs. DR. H, saying that you can't debate with someone because you won, when really you just won irrelevant arguments(and LSB hasn't even won his!) On December 29 2010 02:23 LSB wrote: Yeah, but I'm blue. And I can prove this. The point is, the fact that you are willing to lynch one of your blues means that this lynch has become something else to you. It no longer is about helping out the town, it's about proving to yourself that you can get someone lynched. It's time to abort. Don't like this either. IT's pretty obvious that Annul could just be a townie who thinks your lying. And there's nothing suspicious about that. By saying this, LSB is very scummy to me. On December 29 2010 02:25 LSB wrote: WTF? As a blue player I need to keep myself alive. So why did you claim so early? On December 29 2010 03:05 LSB wrote: I'm going to ignore Annul for a while. Right now, all the votes are split. What we need to do is refocus the votes on a few candidates. I propose the candidates be Me, annul or OpZ. If you want to vote for a blue who can confirm himself, go for it. It will help us find scum on day 2. As for Annul. I feel like with the mass of people voting me, we should refocus onto OpZ, or we won't get enough votes. OpZ is the inactive vote. He hasn't done much this game besides reiterated points that people have already spoken. I'm up for redirected the inactive vote to someone else. I don't like this either. He still is trying to get Opz lynched when there are other people we should be focusing on(like Shockey or Jackal). Furthormore now he's hinting at being dt with the "I'll help u find scum on day 2"(at least it seems that way to me.) But it's pretty obvious up to this point that he was either vigi or mafia. My PMS WITH HIM Ya, that's spam. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: On December 28 2010 00:43 LSB wrote: Show nested quote + <3 you too. I want to see the analysis. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: wut? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: but before hand you said you were eagerly awaiting it. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: 1 standalone post does not warrent attention in most games. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: so if an analysis is good you won't respond to it? (most games) and if an analysis is bad you will (this game) ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: read the thread ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: some theory youg ot. so 1.Why did you defend yourself? 2.Why did he pick you on the basis of one game. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: 1. Annul Hosts Harry Potter Mafia. Figures that I ignore analysis 2. Annul is Mafia in XXXV 3. Annul decides he's going to pretend to be active by making a large analysis. So he picks someone that probably isn't going to respond. He picks me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: now restate to me what your theory is. from annul reading in harry potter mafia, remembering it, to annul being mafia. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Go read the beginning of Harry Potter Mafia. Annul Hosted it and expected that I would react the same way. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: but now your saying that he made a long post in the beginning because he thought you wouldn't defend yourself because he knew that for some strange reason, and yet you defend yourself now(why) and say he's mafia because of that. Your theory is getting more and more stretched. Not only that you're using wifom. I'm voting you, mmkay? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Normally I don't defend myself. Harry Potter Mafia? I only defended myself since it was horrendously bad. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: obviously you would defend yourself. But annul thought that everyone would just ignore it? why would he be so bold on day 1, at the very start, just to "gain town favor" and hope its ignored. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Nope, I defended myself and put pressure on him. That's why he's continued to post. This is what pressure is. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: So he made a long thing analysis, even saying beforehand "Guys im making analysis of LSB"(thus bringing more attention), then has continued to do this because he wanted it to get ignored? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: He wants to win the town favor by making a long post and hoping that it gets ignored. That way he can go back and say "Look at all the analysis I did!". And indeed he has done that. Also, check this out. Take out my arguments with him and his analysis of my. What else does he have left? Not much. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: why would he force himself to do an analysis on you so early? don't you think if he was really red he wouldn't be this so much out in attention? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From LSB: Yeah. His analysis is forced. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: do you really think he's red? I've been pming him and do not like what I see. If you read, you can see that he has this whole theory on that "Annul knew I wouldn't defend myself so he made a long post hoping it would get ignored." Yet Annul even brought attention that he would make that post, so LSB's theory doesn't make sense. It just seems to me that LSB is reaching at straws. | ||
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It's like going for the win when you have an advantage in starcraft, its usually better to just sit back, expand, and get even more of an advantage for the certain win later. Even better, LSB should say what his plan is to be 100% confirmed at the start of day 2, since it's not like mafia are going to kill him during the day. So then we can even lynch him if he never really had a plan. Everyone should unvote LSB. | ||
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Comments on Node's analysis of LunarDestiny: undecided is not an acceptable conclusion. Quite frankly I don't understand why you would post an analysis if you're just going to waffle around the steps to action; at least lay an FoS or something. I honestly don't think there's any benefit to doing analysis this early in the game from mafia to mafia teammate at this point in time, but leaving it so ambiguous doesn't really present a solid case. What do you mean analysis from mafia to mafia teammate? Am I looking to far or does this imply something that he knows that normally people don't I'll leave his posts here so you can see them. | ||
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1. His plan involves night actions, mafia could influence that 2.that might risk revealing his role, meaning mafia might be more likely to shoot him. Again, if he can't tell the plan at the start of DAY 2, we just found a 100% mafia and can lynch him day 2. Why should we risk lynching a blue, even potentially a dt on day 1. Again, with the starcraft analogy, its like attacking when you have an advantage. Sometimes you just want to sit back, expand, and go for the certain win later. | ||
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He's made only one post. While LSB and Insanious claim that that shows he is inactive, and therefore mafia, all it really proves is its inactive. Just because he seems different from his normal posting(and he's only played one game? And only made one post thus far?) doesn't give a good indication that he's mafia. Note that the lynches are trying to be diverted in the last 3 hours. And 5 votes in a row, all in a rush. And alot of these people have just suddenly changed their mind. Take Jackal. On December 29 2010 04:49 Jackal58 wrote: What analysis? So far - annul: Yes you are. LSB: No I'm not. annul: Yes you are LSB: No I'm not. Ad nauseum. You both look scummy. It seems one or both of you has volunteered to get thrown under the bus. Thinks LSB is scummy. Plus he's made about 5 posts all about how The mango is scum. This change is very suspicious. What we're doing is lynching an inactive instead of lynching either the active scum or the lurkers/CNC'rs. What finally changed my mind(besides the bandwagon) to vote LSB again, however, is that he wanted to lynch me. Now if he were blue, then he would be in the mindset "omg scum want me lynched." However, I was advocating for him to survive at least another day, and he begins to accuse me of being scum. That just doesn't fit. | ||
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On December 29 2010 09:00 Insanious wrote: I want to make it clear that the Brocket vote is based on him posting 10+ times in the first 24 hours of pokemafia as a town, and only once in 48 hours here. Brocket is NOT playing like he did in Pokemafia and that is fishy as he was town there... So he is something different now. Bad reason why. There are so many reasons people act differently. There can be RL issues, he's just trying something new, and just add the fact that its the holidays and he's probably on vacation. Never should town lynch a total inactive. Town needs to be going after the lurkers, not the inactives. Not only do we gain nothing from Brockett's list, but add the fact that there are better people who are either showing signs of true scum or are seeming to contribute without actually contributing, unlike Brockett who isn't doing either. Scum usually want to seem to contribute. Not to mention that just because he has a different posting style(which could just be because he's busy) is no reason to actually lynch someone when we have people like LSB who if you really don't think is scum perhaps then you should fully read my analysis  . LSB knows better than to lynch someone like this, I believe you know better than to lynch someone like this. | ||
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On December 29 2010 09:12 LSB wrote: Isn't Brockett lurking? He didn't contribute anything at all with his 1 post No he's inactive. That's different from lurking. Lurkers are those who follow the thread but don't post, or who post but don't contribute. Brockett is just inactive. I'm still up for a D_3 lynch, but since that doesn't seem to happen anytime soon I guess I'll settle with LSB. | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:31 Insanious wrote: Between Brocket and LSB, I would much much much rather Brocket dead then LSB... There really isn't another choice now due to time constraints... Annul brought us to this point, a 1 person bandwaggon is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to the town. 0 analysis can be done concerning votes, mafia can hide where ever they want to when voting for a town... You need at least 2 candidates every day for voting or it might as well just be a random.org vote. LSB has a high chance of being a blue, and killing a blue, especially early is terrible.\ Brocket is most likely green or a lurking mafia... and since there have been 4 people comming out of no where to defend Brocket it makes me think Brocket is even more red. I vehemently disagree. FIrst off, LSB doesn't have a high chance of being blue, he's claimed everything from vigi to dt, and his supposed plan which no one knows what possibly could be he refuses to tell. Furthormore now your saying that we're forced to either vote brockett or LSB, and previously you had been saying you were voting him because "he played differently." Plus right now we can find out so much from LSB's flip. I know people usually say not to lynch for information but this is a special scenario. IT's all because LSB has claimed blue, and mafia know that, or that LSB is mafia, and they're trying to swing a bandwagon onto brockett to save him. If LSB flips red- Great! We caught probably at least 3-4 scum who tried to swing the bandwagon onto Brockett, in addition to information from posting. Furthormore we caught a scum! IF LSB flips blue LSB is not DT, so we don't have to worry about that. Why? -Claimed very early to be blue, DT wouldn't have done that being most important role. Would've waited. -Revealed pms where RoL said LSB might be DT, and hinted strongly because it was the only role that could fit the plan. Why would DT be so reckless, especially when he seemingly doesn't want to claim? So we don't have to worry about losing a DT. So when, if blue, he would most vigi, then that's not even that bad of a loss. But most importantly mafia would be wanting him dead, since he's blue, and they know it. So people who voted for LSB should be looked upon with suspicion, myself included. But again I would like to stress people that LSB is 99% not blue, that he is 99% red. And I urge you to read my analysis I made of him, and realize whats happening here. Vote LSB. Stop the Bandwagon. | ||
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On December 29 2010 10:52 LSB wrote: Just to give you something to chew on. Last time I was red and I got pushed day one. That was pokemafia And it was completely orchestrated. Everyone who attacked me was either mafia, or working with me. Everyone who defended me was town. And was there a huge counter bandwagon at the last second? I can also share an example. insane mafia, me and ace are about to be lynched, and we're both mafia. At the last second I swing a massive bandwagon onto KtheZ. | ||
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On December 29 2010 13:43 Jackal58 wrote: Coagulation has been no fucking help at all. You wanna know why we have nearly identical diction? I'll tell ya why. But sexual favors are required to unlock the secret. I'm drunk. I'm going to bed. LOL wtf Anyway i just played an hour long game O.O | ||
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People who are probably pro town: + Show Spoiler + Decondou-gave analysis of people, contributing. Insanious: I honestly don't know why I voted LSB, but Insanious advocated what I should've done. Besides making long posts with plenty of reasons, he is most likely town. Furthormore he almost saved LSB. Now RoL says this is because he believes that as mafia insanious knew that LSB was town, but why then would he try to and almost save him from a lynch? As mafia they would've just wanted to sit back and let a blue get lynched while appearing afk. Jackal-hunch based on both pms and his general attitude. People who are likely scum in my eyes: + Show Spoiler + Orgolove-What happened to the super (semi)spammy agressive Orgolove. He says its holidays, but he's being TOO lurkerish. Mr-Zergling: Very unsure in his posts, not making any strong opinions. More importantly when he was under the impression day had ended early, he said "sorry LSB, too late." Besides possibly(note that word) showing that he knew LSB was blue, the fact that before hand and after hand he hadn't been helping. Compare that with his previous post saying he only contributes when he feels he can. The only thing saving him is that its semi-consistenent with his previous play in games, but major FoS on him nonetheless. Dr.H: I'm always unsure about him, but the major thing I notice about him is that he hasn't been really contributing, as in to discussion. Sure he's given his thoughts every once in a while(and admittedly they were pretty long) but from lack of pming people to noticable lack of seeming "enthusiasm", it just sets of alarms. Probably the weakest feeling to be mafia, however. People to watch: + Show Spoiler + RoL-advocated putting bombs on three people I believe are innocent. Tried to control blue actions. Watch him. Opz-generic contributing without really contributing. d-3- see my analysis on him. | ||
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Opz George CLooney Shockkey Ryu/DArthien\ Brockett(another) Orgolove Right now I'm going to be voting Orgolove, but these people we should especially keep an eye on Why Orgolove? HE claims he's been busy during the holidays but not posting, but really, he's way TOO quiet. I mean, he's always super spammy/agressive, and even the holidays he wouldn't have been this busy. Let's see his posts: On December 27 2010 16:02 orgolove wrote: Oh wow. This started fast. I hardly think the sudden bandwagon against Pandain less than an hour after the game started was appropriate. States the obvious, already said. On December 28 2010 12:53 orgolove wrote: I hardly feel that focusing on inactives, especially on Day 1, is a good idea at this point. I highly doubt mafia will be inactive on day 1, exactly to deflect the kind of suspicions you are raising. It's much more likely, probability wise, for there to be mafia among the people who already posted, compared to the inactives. hell, I know I'd be more inclined to post and make time during the holidays if I was red 0.0 I'm getting really suspicious of the people who keep trying to refocus the town on lynching inactives instead of HUNTING REDS. i.e. why, LSB, ilovejonn. I'm especially looking at LSB right now, given his past track record and his current behavioral patterns. Accuses people who try to get people to talk. Note that Orgo says we should be focusing on trying to find red's, but orgolove hasn't done ANYTHING. On December 29 2010 12:32 orgolove wrote: Oh.  I failed terribly. Sorry LSB. This is all he says. A short while after LSB died. Now, what does this post do? First of all orgolove barely did anything, and he's immediately apologizing for getting it wrong. This is a very obvious scum tell if I'm correct, and he still hasn't really contributed. He has obviously had time to read the thread, at different points during the day. There is no reason why he should not be contributing more unless he was red. | ||
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4. Meapak_Ziphh 5. Brocket 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 15. ShoCkeyy 17. ilovejonn 19. Orgolove 23. GeorgeClooney 24. d3_crescentia 25. Tevo 27. Soulfire 29. Ryuu314 DarthThienAn 30. ~OpZ~ These are the people who need to contribute more. Lyching Insanious is a horrible idea. For one, why would mafia redirect a lynch away from a blue. Now, gaining town cred is important, but why would Insanious not just go afk during that period, which would've been far better. Furthormore, he has been posting ALOT, constatnly trying to generate discussion. Mafia don't want that, they want discussion to stagnate. Finally we don't want to lynch the super actives just yet, especially when we don't think they're scum. | ||
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Killing Insanious is a horrible idea, the only reason being that "oh, he KNEW LSB was blue." But really, he didn't. Go reread his posts, you'll never find that stated. But for some reason he's managed to garner up a heck of a lot of votes, and killing off one of our most active townies is not what we want right now. Throughout the entire thread has he been stating the same stuff? No, he's been giving new ideas and bringing forth discussion. Has he been lurking? No, he's been one of the most active people. Is he spamming? No, at least not the bad kind of spam. Since especially some people in this game have taken a liking to staying in the shadows, again, we need to pressure them to talk. And for some reason people have been content to ignore me when I suggest orgolove, which is as alarming as orgolove. Seraph should not be lynched if only for the reason that he has been contributing to the discussion, which is what we really need right now. People seem to content to just lurk, and we can't have that. Ryu/darthien, Tevo, and orgolove and opz especially need to be contributing more, but there are alot that need to speak up as well. With that it's time to start my analysis of some inactives, so you can see. 8. why-likely town + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 11:52 why wrote: Hi everyone, just got off from work and caught up with the thread. It seems to me that the annul vs. LSB debate is distracting from the issue at hand, hunting inactives. This is clearly the way to avoid an apathetic town. The list that LunarDestiny suggested isn’t the best idea. If there are 10 people on the list, then no one will feel pressured to respond unless everyone else on the list is responding. They will just be lurking amongst the people on the list who aren’t responding on the list. The best way to pressure inactives is to vote for them and actually intend to lynch them unless they contribute something useful. As such, I'm going to pick someone that hasn't posted yet and put my vote on them. If they come to the thread and contribute then I'll move my vote off them. My pick is GeorgeClooney. pretty good first post. On December 28 2010 14:33 why wrote: Since you chose a person at random, why not vote for Opz? There are already three people voting for him to pressure him (also, he semi-lurked in HP mafia and ended up being mafia then). A fourth vote makes it more likely that there will actually be a response to the pressure, as one vote is easy to just ignore. If Opz posts, then we can pressure Shockeyy next I promise. Also good, note that he said he was going to vote opz previously so that someone will actually respond to multiple votes. I like this cause it seems to me he's actively trying to root out inactives, and this post "please help lynch opz" screams that to me. On December 31 2010 17:02 why wrote: Reading over the posts again, Seraph just seems redder and redder to me. Let's look at this defense here: A major point of the Seraph's defense is that he never would never actually want to lynch an inactive player. Instead, he just wants to put pressure on players so that they will be more likely to post more. Ok, fine, right? But wait! Then Seraph posts this analysis of soulfire who is as close to inactive as we have at this point. After saying that he never intended to lynch inactives, he then goes ahead and posts an analysis of one and pushes a lynch on him. But there is still one possibility left: that Seraph wants to pressure soulfire into posting more, like he said his original intention was back during day 1. I guess pressure wasn't really the goal either. The only conclusion seems to be that Seraph posted that analysis for no real reason except to seem like he was contributing. At this point, it would take a lot for me to move my vote off of Seraph. and an analysis. So far, since he's been contributing but not active, I would say he's most likely town. 15. ShoCkeyy-likely scum + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 10:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: Came back from work, going to read up. For now I'm putting a vote on myself >.< okay On December 28 2010 22:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok, what im wondering is, why would you go off posting who's blue, if he is or isn't. You're just making it easier for mafia to pick and choose on who to kill. Explain as to why you did this? If he is a blue I want to know why you did an analysis on him if he's really trying to help the town and hasn't posted scummy at all. I have my FoS on you. Misunderstands that post. On December 28 2010 22:46 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ahh i read that wrong... this is what happens when you get 2hrs of sleep and are reading/posting from a phone. _. Anyways, fosing myself cause im an idiot. explains that. On December 30 2010 12:48 ShoCkeyy wrote: I vote for Pandain he keeps sending me messages and harassing me while im working.. I don't get home till tomorrow after 1pm, so I won't be able to keep up as much till then or be even able to post cause like I said, reading/posting on my phone is terribad. Horrible reason for voting, but humurous to me. So thus far we have seen no real content from shockeyy, so now time to look at his previous games. Basically pokemafia. In that game he contributed a whole bunch more, and actually contributed. Now, he was under pressure for like that entire game but posts like this make me suspicious of his activity this game. On December 12 2010 05:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright, I feel like kenpachi is getting way to agressive here. All his post have been aggressive and not helpful in anyway. + Show Spoiler + A) 4 hours does not judge that. what if i went on TL tomorrow for the first time in the past 3 days? B) Anyone who posts would want to look active.. Why would they post if they want to look inactive? C) Why are you assuming i read the rules? how do you know i didnt just assume the KP? D) It doesnt. shh E) ?? its enlightenment F) I dont agree with you voting for Infundibulum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174831¤tpage=14#270 When he starts saying, that why do people assume that he reads the rules, makes me question him. Everyone reads the rules and we know this because that's part of the game. If he's saying he doesn't that just seems phishy to me imo. I also feel like, he posted the DT or Medic theory in order to try and get some people off of his case cause he can possibly be a TR member. I've seen this happen plenty of times where they pull out the "I might be a DT or Medic" and they end up not being it. My two cents, maybe I am wrong, but this is what I've been able to read off of. orgolove-scum + Show Spoiler + See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=40#799. NOw, orgolove has NEVER been this inactive, and is always super spammy/agressive. Even if its the holidays he should've at least by now made at least one good post. He's doing what I did in kingmaker mafia, just total lurker. 23. GeorgeClooney-unsure, leading confused + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm active, and I'm a noob, so i'm just reading! brings noob excuse On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: And sorry, going to contribute once I get his whole logic thing of mine going okay? On December 29 2010 21:14 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm properly going to vote Paindrain when day begins, cause he won't make up his mind. I thought lynching ESB was a retarded move, he would have roleclaimed after, and for god sakes he was a Vet. He could of established a town circle, nor was he scummy after the other guy (forgot his name) decided to bit his ass and not let go. Lets hope its not another blue lol. By the way, I want to start a town circle. Ofcourse i'm not going to lead this, but I ain't mafia, and I want to win a game lol. Straight forward. Anyone else for a town circle? In this post I think it just really shows he doesn't care about the game. Gets my name wrong on LSB's name wrong, and if he'd been reading the thread he would've known those for sure. The post is scummy but overall ilt just shows a really dumb townie. Finally the last post is just wtf. I'm really confused, but am going to say he's just being not very smart by trying to start a town circle. On December 30 2010 18:36 GeorgeClooney wrote: Fuck, I've got work tomorrow and over here it would be new years. Right now I'm going to vote for myself. Why? Although for some strange reason I think its Paindrain, I have analysed the post enoguh to know its him for certain. And if I think its not him afterwards the analyses then I can always change my vote to someone else. I would vote for him IF he had limited votes on him already, but for some reason there's quite a lot of votes on him already, so i'll lay off just incase I'm too wasted on NYE to change it. Says "I don't know who to vote for." I'm really confused by this guy so time to go into his only previous game, salem mafia! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168375¤tpage=17#331 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168375¤tpage=25#482 posts like that show he was at least contributing. So I'm really confused by this guy. Of course it's suspicious about how in that game he said "why should town circles be formed" but maybe he changed his mind based on the responses. GGQ-town + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2010 10:41 GGQ wrote: Pretending to be mafia to make it seem like you couldnt possibly be mafia is actually kind of scummy. Town shouldn't be trying to play tricks on town like that, it may be kind of funny but it's not helpful. First post, quite early. First of all this has pro town vibes towards me. Way too early for mafia to already be trying to cast suspicion on someone. It's more the townie that is just over eager, mafia only comes in when they want stuff down. THe argument and point made is horrible, but that just indicates dumb townie to me. On December 27 2010 15:11 GGQ wrote: Well for the first question, I think the answer is clear, and has already been said. We pressure inactives by moving to lynch on them. Hopefully scum slips up and gives us a lead to lynch a suspect, else we just lynch an inactive and hope. Obviously lynching someone who is acting suspicious is better than lynching a random inactive, but lynching the inactive is a good backup plan to get people posting and create a healthy town. For the second question, that's much more in-depth, and I imagine that the best way to use PMs will depend on your skill level. As a relatively new player, I'll stick to corresponding only with people I have very good reason to trust. Me likes this post. On December 29 2010 13:07 GGQ wrote: I don't particularly FOS you, but it should be pointed out that this doesn't clear you by a long shot. Mafia knows better than anyone who is clear, and it's very easy for them to buddy a townie to appear clean when he flips. As for annul and pandain, we shouldn't lynch them just because they are wrong. But we also shouldn't let them get away too easily. Some people have suggested that they wouldn't be so bold if they were mafia. But with the godfather and the framer(s) to mess with the DTs, mafia can afford to be pretty bold this game. This is another post I like. Again, we shouldn't lynch people just because they are wrong. This is something mafia LOVE to do, so yay for him. On December 31 2010 04:20 GGQ wrote: I feel that I should reveal this information since mafia already knows it; I was roleblocked last night. I just read through the entire thread again and here are my thoughts: -Pandain doesn't seem like scum to me, just a flip-flopping townie. -Brockett narrowly avoided a lynch and still hasn't contributed anything. Much fewer posts and different posting style than his townie play in Pokemafia -I'm still suspicious of TheMango but don't have solid reasoning for it -I am pretty confident that ROL is town, but I dont necessarily agree with all his picks for mafia -Insanious doesn't seem scummy to me. People keep saying that he was 'so sure' LSB was blue, but if you actually read his posts, that's not what he was saying -I'm on the fence about annul. I always thought his tunneling on LSB was stupid, but that doesn't make him mafia. He certainly could be, though -I'm most suspicious atm of Seraph (as ROL pointed out) and Mr Wiggles. While reading, I noticed that all of Mr Wiggles posts are riddled with uncertainty, fear, and unwillingness to commit. He may be a newer player, but it still makes me very susicious of him. My vote goes on him for now SAying you were roleblocked is especially pro town since the fact that no one else said they were roleblocked means that either GGQ is mafia, and they roleblocked someone they shot(what?), or that he was really roleblocked. 5. Brocket-likely town + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 20:41 Brocket wrote: LSB made a huge mistake in pokemafia but he turned out to be a townie. So he's playing a bad townie again or he's mafia. No regrets flipping LSB here. Suspicious post"I don't really care if he's townie cause he's bad", but not incriminating yet. On December 29 2010 18:38 Brocket wrote: Also if you know what's good for you don't get on my case. If you say anything dumb or wrong I'm going to call you out on it and it won't be pleasant. This is a very interesting post. I really think that this shows town instead of mafia, mainly because this is just SO suspicious. It seems more bored townie than mafia to me, since he's saying "ya don't accuse me", instead of actually defending himself. On December 31 2010 12:15 Brocket wrote: Ahh what the hell. I ought to contribute so I'll just make a decision now. Looking at the voting thread I have to disagree with a double lynch, it's honestly better when you have 2 or 3 people being suspected/pressured and who we need to see flipped. Soulfire: I don't think Soulfire is a mafia, he seems to support his choice to vote well enough. I did the same thing in pokemafia and got a lot of shit from it day 1 and I was new. Wiggle: Don't know. He doesn't annoy me like gabe did. Like Gabe made my buttcheeks clench every time I had to read his posts. And it didn't matter if gabe ended up being townie, I just wanted him out or myself killed. I can see why people would vote him though because he's a grey area. Insanious: Draws attention to himself for this reason. I notice now that insanious was really pushing to get me lynched because I was inactive, and because I was inactive I didn't reply which just encouraged him to lynch me more. How amusing. Brocket almost didn't play the first 48 hours it because he was doing 7 hour driving stints from victoria to new south wales and had to sleep when he got home. Insanious hasn't been particularly convincing in lynching inactives and it wasn't a good idea to begin with. I don't lurk unless I say I'm lurking (check pokemafia). RoL doesn't seem to like Insanious and he's been a pretty active dude keeping track of posts and so far that's good enough for me. I don't like late day bandwagons or bad assumptions and insanious seems to have done both. ##vote insanious. I like this post cause he's actually sharing his opinions. Again, it shows the dumb townie rather than the mafia to me. Furthormore, the main thing that makes me indicate he's town is the fact if he was just a "lurking" mafia, why wouldn't he have defended himself? That shows to me to be a bored townie rather than mafia. 6. TheMango-unsure, leaning town. + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2010 10:23 TheMango wrote: Just got my role, so who should I kill first? what? Joking but :o On December 27 2010 10:44 TheMango wrote: sounds like fake outrage, trying to cover something up there? insta lynch imo I'm noting this is his first time playing online mafia, so this is very suspsicious to me. First of all, he doesn't just say to lynch him, but insta lynch. And over a very weak reason ("sounds like fake outrage"). On December 27 2010 10:56 TheMango wrote: I'm sure whoever the detective is will keep that in mind. Early rounds, detective picks should be pretty random anyway. Disagree, dts should check suspicious people. On December 27 2010 11:25 TheMango wrote: I'm a newbie at online mafia, so don't lynch me cause I'm asking too many stupid questions Why would we lynch u? On December 28 2010 06:36 TheMango wrote: I was obviously joking with my first two posts. I'm new to forum/online mafia, but I consider myself pretty decent at irl mafia. So far my instincts say LSB is mafia, hence my vote. This I don't like,says he feels lsb is mafia without really saying anything. I pressured him in pms and this is what I got: being overly defensive and picking on the tiny things, while annul seems to be taking a more general approach. Basically I believe annul over LSB, though I guess they could both be townies? Him deciding to bring me up as a possible mafia suspect in the middle of the argument with annul raised my suspicions as well (trying to draw/deflect attention away from him). I think I've said enough to you, how about you give me YOUR opinion? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: as in? ----------------------------------------- Original Message From TheMango: not much to go by really, since it's only the first night. Mostly instinct based on how he's been defending himself vs annul. ----------------------------------------- Original Message From Pandain: why do you think lsb is mafia? This actually struck me as pro town, since I agreed with that. However I don't like how immediately he said "well I'm not that sure but..." On December 28 2010 08:12 TheMango wrote: I guess you missed my post above? I'm getting a strong scum sense from you based on how you're defending yourself and attacking annul. I don't see how one can 'do much' when its the first day. As I've said before, i'm new to playing mafia in this medium, so don't read too much into me being relatively quiet for now. fyi, i'm voting you (LSB) for now. I don't like how he's started to bring up the newbie card so often. Especially since he loves irl mafia and joined this because he wanted to try it, I'd assume he'd be much more active, trying to figure stuff out. So O.o so far. On December 29 2010 06:56 TheMango wrote: I think LSB is lying about being vigilante. Makes no sense from a townie perspective. How would we even know at the start of night two? If he kills someone as vigilante that we choose, he could just as easily be mafia killing someone, no? Someone correct me if I'm wrong... okay post. On December 29 2010 12:13 TheMango wrote: lol, that sucks. I wasn't even aware until now that roles were revealed when people died. I'm used to IRL mafia, where that was kept secret. Knowing now that LSB was not mafia, and how quickly paindain PM'ed me to NOT switch my vote to brocket, I'd say chances are good that both are mafia. Paindain also has been very active in fishing for information via PM from a lot of people it seems, which people have mentioned previously is a scum like behavior. Suspicious to me, though also not. I'm really not sure about mango. The reasons are pretty bad, but also the way he's thinking is also good "Well he quickly switched over to brockett so that's suspicious". 7. Mr.Zergling-dumb townie + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 11:39 Mr.Zergling wrote: My vote has gone to LSB, as his responses to annul's analysis have been weak. However, from HP mafia, LSB seems to always act somewhat scummy (which is why he got lynched last game). Also deconduo's analysis gives some convincing reasons to lynch LSB (for instance: that recommending abstaining from voting is not a pro-town suggestion (also abstaining is against the rules)) Although, no day 1 lynch is ever clear, more of a shot in the dark than anything (((I love parenthesis))) This post is very unsure to me. First I note it contradicts his first post about lynching inactives, and if he's unsure about LSB, why lynch him already. Very suspicious to me. On December 29 2010 09:24 Mr.Zergling wrote: This is a good enough reason for me to change my vote to brocket. Also, on my lurking, I often don't feel the need to post if I fell I do not have anything to contribute to analysis. This is especially compounded by this being the first day. Says he's going to vote people because of what other people said, without giving his own reasons. Furthormore does the guilt scum tell, where he has to explain himself for his lurking. It doesn't prove anything yet, but I'm noting it. On December 29 2010 10:02 Mr.Zergling wrote: But, he has offered to prove that he is indeed a blue role by night 2, thus if he can not satisfactorily prove that, he dies. repeats what others has said, doesn't really give anything new. This is especially suspicious. He's acting like he failed him, also that he knows that LSB is blue, but he hasn't been contributing. He says he contributes if he feels he can, and this post indicates that, but why isn't he doing anything. Also note this is two hours before lsb got lynched, and before and after mr. zergling will not contribute more. On December 29 2010 12:10 Mr.Zergling wrote: mmm This does have me suspicious of Paindain, but would a mafia really be that overt and outspoken about lynching a blue, or would they try and lay low so they are not associated with the impending mess when the target flips blue? Now though, we can look at all previous analysis in a new light Does a very common tell, saying "oh look, now we can analyze stuff!" without analyzing it themselves. On December 29 2010 15:43 Mr.Zergling wrote: I am interested in why Pandain went from defending LSB (quite vehemently) to pushing strongly to lynch LSB, I suppose the role claim (which was never really clear) could have affected his view of LSB. Two scenarios: Pandain is blue: The unclear roleclaim threw him off and he decided that even though LSB had said he would prove his blueness, Pandain just wanted info (stated) -or- Pandain is red: He saw the bandwagon shifting to his possible scumbuddy Brocket, and decided that it wouldn't be too suspicious if he shifted the bandwagon back on to LSB by touting an "info lynch". Also making himself more trustworthy by saying that everyone who voted LSB should be under suspicion (which they should) First I find it interesting that he only said pandain is blue or red. I had breadcrumbed that I Was DT early on(im not though), just to lead mafia off. Maybe they had caught on to that? But regardless of that, the fact he only laid out the two scenarios without commenting on it is very suspicious to me. On December 30 2010 12:56 Mr.Zergling wrote: Hard to have strong opinions on day 1. I really am terrible at 12/24hr conversions (said voting ended at 19:00 PST, I converted that in my head to 5:00 PST, fail on my part). I did believe that LSB was blue, as he said he could show it by night 2. First, just because he said that doesn't mean that you should've believed that he was blue, merely been content to wait. Still not giving his own opinions.Common trend so far. On December 30 2010 15:16 Mr.Zergling wrote: Insanious, annul, Mepeak arguing just to throw us off? Sounds like a plausible way for reds to be able to deny association if someone gets lynched and flips red. This is distracting us from real scumhunting and making people feel like they need to jump on one bandwagon, thus fracturing the Town, and allowing the mafia to more or less control our lynch Again suspicious, saying "we need to be scum hunting" but not scum hunting at all. On December 31 2010 05:08 Mr.Zergling wrote: I thought his last 18min switch to LSB was strange, but thats been noted. I think I am changing to Orgo after reading GGQ's analysis, but I think Ill give him time to respond before i change my vote again Orgo never responded, yet mr zergling later votes wiggles without really giving reasons why. On December 31 2010 15:28 Mr.Zergling wrote: ^^Also, Major FoS on Meapak now Doesn't say why. So right now I feel that he is either mafia or a dumb townie. So now I'm going to go into his previous games. After looking into HArry potter, he's posting pretty much the same, and he was part of a confirmed circle. Furthormore he also said he doesn't contribute until he feels he can. 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Some of you are voting Mr. Zergling. I think he's town. He's playing entirely within his scummy playstyle, which means that as of now we can't just rely on his posts. Previous games come into effect, and even as part of a confirmed circle(hp mafia) he was just as inactive. As for right now the best move is to simply wait and watch mr. zergling. Some of you are voting Seraph. I don't know if he's scum or not, but lynching him is not the best idea right now. Seraph has had over 40 posts, and most of them contributing. He's one of the few people left actually talking alot, which means that we can't fall into the trap of lynching each other cause they're the only one's with posts. Lynch the scummy ones, and they don't have to just be active. Some of you are voting meepack. I'm unsure about him, but what I do know is that right now is not the best time to vote him. Right now we must root out the lurkers before they take out the actives. Personally I am on the edge about meepack, but that in itself means that we should think twice before just voting him. Some of you are voting Mr. Wiggles. I vehemently disagree. He has no real reasons for being scum, and the only one that was said was that he was "wishy washY", but mr. wiggles has already explained that that was because I pressured him. And that I can confirm. Again, I emphasize orgolove as a prime lynch. Anyone who's played with him before should see the drastic playstyle change that he has carried out thus far. The town must unite under one flag, one flag to symbolize not just suspicion, but discussion and contribution. And that flag must not be hollow enough to let lurkers carry the town flag. The town must be strong, we must unite to lynch one person, and I say again that this will probably not be the final lynch, but there are those who lurk that we must root out, and I ask you to join me. | ||
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On January 01 2011 09:23 orgolove wrote: Really now. I have obligations other than lurking in an online forum game thread during the first day of the year, you see. Do note that I've pointed out obvious scum tells in a way that did not drown out my point in a tsunami of spammy posts like what you've done in this thread. You also have obligations to post here, and you're playing WAY out of your playstyle, even regardless its the holidays. Also, the holidays have been going on for a while, but you haven't been able to make one good post yet. | ||
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On January 01 2011 09:32 orgolove wrote: O rly? vs Spam spam spam spam All you've done this game is a) lead the bandwagon against LSB, directly causing the death of a veteran, and then diverting the town's attention to getting perceived "inactives" instead of actual scumhunting - a classic red tactic. Time and again I point this out - scum hunting will do you far more good than looking at activity frequency patterns. After all, in games like these reds will have more invested in the game, and thus will be more likely to be active through a busy holiday season. Your point about the red's is misleading. Yes they're likely to be watching, but that does not mean they're likely to be active. And indeed, throughout this entire thread you have shown that your watching, but haven't contributed. It's the holidays, we get it. That doesn't mean its okay to do what you do. And note that for me, it's the exception. Not for you. And its not "activity frequency ptterns" its behavior analysis. It's the fact you are watching the thread yet not contributing, yet clearly have at least some time to be able to go through each of my posts to find that one "spam" to use. Why not use that to analyze someone, like the orgolove I know? I wonder why... | ||
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Note that annul has just "dropped" off the face of the earth. Where is he? Why isn't he being JUST as agressive as normal. One of the few things that led me to believe Annul was town was the thought of "why would annul be so aggressive and bring attention to himself." The fact that Orgolove's lynch was very hotly debated on IRC, and we, and finally I have decided that it truly does hint that orgolove may be innocent. Now I still think he may be mafia, and offer him as a prime day 3 lynch, but annul was also one of our other main suspects. The main problem with orgolove's lynch is that he isn't defending himself. That is what most worries me. I am not sure as to what that means, whether he's mafia and trying to just ride out the votes, or really just a inactive townie, but right now isn't the best time to lynch him. | ||
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On January 02 2011 06:52 annul wrote: here is the thing: apparently my senses are off. i was sure LSB was red. i figured people wouldnt listen to my analysis since i was way off the first time, so i figured why bother And here we have a classic quote to analyze. Let's look deep into it. Now, as annul had said previously, and after, with such resounding confidence was that LSB was red. Even afterwards, he waved off him being wrong as "LSB was lying/bad townie." So, now here he makes an excuse for being inactive. But this excuse is a very bad one. He's saying he wouldn't analyze because "no one would listen", despite him just saying that everyone had agreed with him previously(although they really didn't, they just understood). | ||
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I am the DT. In one of my pms with annul I accidently let slip that I was dt, and unless he was sleeping(lol) he probably picked up on it. In any case being that I feel I'm likely to get shot tonight because of that, I am requesting medic protection. I checked Dr. H night one and got town. | ||
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I told Opz to hit darthien/Ryu. It seems he must've hit RoL. But this is actually good, as I was somewhat suspicious of RoL, so that's another suspect of our chests. Furthormore, it seems that now we do have a confirmed vigialante, as this means 3 kp was used over the course of the night. If another vigilante used a KP, they need to tell me immediately. Otherwise I'm going on the assumption that Opz is confirmed town. In another news, I was roleblocked last night. I was aware this was a possibility but fortunately it means I am still alive . With other news, here's the analysis on darth. Small because of lack of posts, but that in itself is noteworthy. 29. Ryuu314/DarthThienAn-likely scum + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2010 17:46 Ryuu314 wrote: Probably. I don't see how else the game could run otherwise. First off, edited. Very suspicious to me. But I'll share his explanation of it as well. On December 27 2010 18:25 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + Oops x[ I remembered after I edited hahaha. I \was basically gonna say that Coag probably couldn't be mafia as the timing of his ban would probably prevent him from making hits? But then I looked up the time of his ban and it disproves my theory. First off that really doesn't explain anything. Note that he said "Probably, the game couldn't run otherwise." This implies that he KNEW coag was mafia. Very suspicious post to me. On December 28 2010 11:36 Ryuu314 wrote: I'll be afk for a good bit of time because I'll be flying back the NA from Asia so I'll do some of my noobie analysis (first game woot!) here for the time being. While the debate between annul and LSB is interesting and they both have quite a few scum posts, I'd go so far as to say that their debate is very non-argumentative. At times in their debate it seems as though they're really arguing about nothing since the debate jumped from whether or not voting inactives was the proper move to do on Day 1. They both more or less agree. Then the debate goes into DT strategy. Again, it still all seems very non-argumentative as at this point in the game, DT strat is pretty pointless as checks will all be more or less random and luck-based. TBH all it really seems like to me is just a bunch of dancing. Granted, it stimulates discussion straight off the bat, but I really don't believe it merits enough to vote for them. As such, I'm going to change my vote to one of the inactives who have yet to post. Immediately said his analysis probably isn't that good("noobie analysis") Then starts to say they might both be scum. Doesn't really go into it, so somewhat suspicious, but it is new content. Unsure about this post. On December 29 2010 18:55 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + Threats? :O Seems scummy. I have to agree with Node on his analysis on Pandain. Before I changed my previous vote from Pandain to why, who was at that time an inactive, Pandain PM'd me asking me why I voted him. Now, it was probably just a little nudge to see why I was voting the way I am and likely fueled by curiosity as anything. Still, after going through all his posts he seems quite too wishy-washy to me. Add to the fact that he hasn't posted anything for quite some time makes me wonder. Doesn't go into anything, says that since I haven't posted it makes him wonder, finally says I'm wishy washy without going into anything. On December 30 2010 04:34 Ryuu314 wrote: Show nested quote + Me. But I think that might've been out of curiosity/panic than anything. The bandwagon on him was rather fast and (almost) unjustified. Well he voted for me, so why would youv ote for an (almost) unjustified bandwagon. Darth hasn't said anything worthwhile, so nothing about that. | ||
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DT(s), if you have checked someone who was green, as long as it wasn't annul, they are confirmed town. Feel free to claim to them. Furthormore I am opening up an idea for the town to discuss, and before anyone does anything we should discuss it in thread. I have started a town circle with a few select individuals. I am willing to accept role claims. Now, there is a chance that I am not "confirmed" yet, despite the fact I have been roleblocked, and despite the fact I helped get annul lynched, and despite the fact that I have been one of the most active individuals in the thread. But I feel that for the reasons above, I am basically confirmed. Furthormore, unless a vigi claims whether to me or in thread that they shot node/RoL, opz is confirmed as well. Should we claim to him? Should we claim to me? I AM in a town circle with Opz, but this must be thought out before anything else. If I have medics with me, I can coordinate who to protect(so then not everyone protects me for instance, + Show Spoiler + or maybe they will, you can't tell mafia! In addition, I'd like to point out that if DT's feel uncomfortable claiming to me, we can also have people they checked claim to me, and we can work from there. So, what do you guys think? | ||
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On January 03 2011 22:33 TheMango wrote: Did I miss something here? Why are you starting a circle w/o dt support, and why do you trust barundar? Well keep in mind I am a dt :p. Second off, we have opz, who as of right now is confirmed. As for baruderer, I feel I have a VERY good read on him. He has been very active, constantly generating new discussion. If he's mafia then I will go hide in a corner and cry. | ||
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On January 03 2011 22:43 TheMango wrote: What is your opinion on meapak_ziph? Also, are you butchering barundar's nick on purpose paindrain? I actually should check the first page just to make sure I spell people's names right considering I hate when people mispell my name :p. I'll keep my opinions on meapak to myself as of now. | ||
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Darth Soulfire George Clooney Why Shockeyy Orgolove These above all need to contribute more. Like we have George Clooney, who all we have thus far is: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm active, and I'm a noob, so i'm just reading! Says he's noob, likes thats an excuse for inactivity. On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: And sorry, going to contribute once I get his whole logic thing of mine going Sure On December 29 2010 21:14 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm properly going to vote Paindrain when day begins, cause he won't make up his mind. I thought lynching ESB was a retarded move, he would have roleclaimed after, and for god sakes he was a Vet. He could of established a town circle, nor was he scummy after the other guy (forgot his name) decided to bit his ass and not let go. Lets hope its not another blue lol. By the way, I want to start a town circle. Ofcourse i'm not going to lead this, but I ain't mafia, and I want to win a game lol. Straight forward. Anyone else for a town circle? Wants to start a town circle when he hasn't contributed ANYTHING up to now, and even this shows signs of an uncaring townie(misspells two easy names) On December 30 2010 18:36 GeorgeClooney wrote: Fuck, I've got work tomorrow and over here it would be new years. Right now I'm going to vote for myself. Why? Although for some strange reason I think its Paindrain, I have analysed the post enoguh to know its him for certain. And if I think its not him afterwards the analyses then I can always change my vote to someone else. I would vote for him IF he had limited votes on him already, but for some reason there's quite a lot of votes on him already, so i'll lay off just incase I'm too wasted on NYE to change it. says he's going to vote for himself On January 03 2011 11:59 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm a big fat green, like I have been in the last game of mafia. I agree with RoL that the current mafia are most likely lurkers, BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THEM LOL. claims green In Particular I am going to be focusing upon Soulfire. Let's take a look at his posts, shall we? On December 27 2010 13:45 Soulfire wrote: I had meant to contribute earlier, but I was watching some streamed games of my team's CW. I'm a new player, so for the most part I've just been reading what everybody has said thus far and trying to come up with any reasonable conclusion, which not surprisingly has been futile. I've gone over previous games and observed common posting habits for many of the more veteran players in this game and I honestly don't notice anything alarming enough to begin to point fingers safely. I'd definitely have to agree with Pandain, Wiggles and others; focus attention on the inactives, but struggle to differentiate between those who just don't care and are probably going to be modkilled and people who are trying to lay low, especially people making pointless posts to avoid the modkill. But I will speak for other players who are new like I am, it is difficult to post something that contributes in Day 1 - so yet another thing to differentiate: new players who are lost and can only agree with others, and mafia trying to slip under the radar and avoid modkill. This is a fairly good post but some of it I don't like. First of all I don't like how he is appealing to the "newb" card. That can be a valid excuse, but really what he is saying is trying to make himself seem less important so people don't focus on him. On December 27 2010 18:01 Soulfire wrote: Yet another vote for Pandain - can you guys seriously stop that? There's no reason to be doing that, and the only thing we know about him thus far is that he's been pretty damn helpful, and past games show that he knows what he's doing. There's no reason to be piling votes on people, and new players will just be prompted to join the bandwagon. states the obvious On December 28 2010 14:22 Soulfire wrote: Just read the last 5 pages, and like many others, paid attention to the argument between Annul and LSB. BOTH come off as scummy, but to be totally honest I think it's a safer bet to go with a lurker, for the same reasons that many have said - the more talkative a scum is, the more likely he is to make a mistake and thus be lynched. We have NOTHING to go by other than very slight hints in posting style. Our best bet easily is to lynch a lurker because they may continue lurking later on, and we won't be able to gather any hints from them that may identify them as scum. However, Annul and LSB will both continue posting frequently, thus increasing the chance that they may make mistakes and reveal themselves. If they all of a sudden STOP posting frequently, that'd be out of the character developed on day 1 and would be a pretty strong hint that they're scum. Just my 2 cents. pretty ironic coming from a lurker On December 29 2010 08:19 Soulfire wrote: I've been on the whole "lynch LSB" bandwagon, but after reading Pandain's logic, even though it makes HIM sound incredibly scummy as well the the information fishing, I'm gonna vote for Brocket. When I read over Pokemafia he indeed acted quite differently, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to hide under the radar. But yeah, Pandain really strikes me as a mafia trying to save LSB - but then again, is there any way to protect someone WITHOUT appearing suspicious? Atleast he presents a logical argument. If LSB does not "prove himself", LYNCH HIM ON DAY 2. First of all he states that he thinks I'm scum, and then follows me? What's with that? On December 29 2010 11:36 Soulfire wrote: Gonna actually have to agree with Pandain's analysis here, I didn't think of it the way he put it: We don't have much to go on, so we might as well guarantee important information with a lynch of LSB. ##Unvote ##Vote LSB Changes his mind. On December 31 2010 18:04 Soulfire wrote: This "analysis" really strikes me as an attempt to shift the focus off of yourself - pretty much every single one of your points is incredibly flawed and forced, and i'll explain why: Quote #1: "Few points here: He’s new, he doesn’t want to out himself, and hands lurkers the excuse of not caring. First point isn’t incriminating, but the other two are pretty notable." Seriously? I'm not 100% sure if this is you you meant by "not wanting to out myself", but this post was damn near the beginning of the game (first hour or two?). It does the town NO GOOD to point fingers that early with no real evidence. All it could do is start some illogical bandwagon that would be nothing better than a complete gamble. And your third point completely ignored the other part of that sentence, about the other kind of lurker that very well could be a mafia trying to hide... Quote #2: Ok, fine, Pandain wagon was bullshit, I have no clue why anyone joined it at all, town or not. What I do find interesting is that apparantly Pandain is "pretty damn helpful" while LSB, evidently, has not been. Holy shit this sounds forced. I wasn't even talking about "helpful people" in general, I was just commenting on the illogical bandwagon on Pandain (started by the blind FoSing earlygame that you said I should have done - yet you disagree with the bandwagon also?). Re-read what I said again: In no place should it have been expected that I mention LSB; I simply commented on the value of Pandain to this game, shown by his previous activity in other games and what he had already done to help newbies this game. Quote #3:I don’t really get this. I’m thinking that if we can get Soulfire lynched or nightkilled then annul can be cleared of most suspicions. Once again he pushes lynching lurkers too. Also, people don’t switch roles midway (or at least not in this setup), so a change in character indicates they’re either dodging an accusation or real life problems. For starters, I push lynching lurkers (even though you said I defended them in the first quote...?) because at the time this seemed like the most logical option to us, and frankly it still kind of is, for the reasons I explained above - a lurker will lurk and we have no guarantee of ever catching them, but an active mafia make slip up. I don't even get how I'm connected to the suspicion of annul; I think annul was suffering from some serious tunnel vision, and LSB slipped up in his defense. A change in character could easily be a scum trying to hide at an opportune moment - I don't really understand that last sentence. Quote #4: Completely dodges the LSB/Annul situation by going for a new bandwagon on brocket. Also staying under the radar by following pandain quite closely. Um, I've always been in favor of voting inactives (for reasons listed above), and above you even stated that. I viewed the long argument between LSB and annul as, as stated above, tunnel vision - both were active players that may slip up in the long run to reveal to us their potential role as scum. It seemed much more logical to lynch Brocket, especially since he was more active in the other game of Mafia he played. As for my vote against LSB, I admittedly followed a hunch that wasn't safe after reading Pandain's analysis - if he was red, it would've given us a LOT of information, but unfortunately he wasn't. Not sure how this is scummy; this is more like the act of a newb to the game. Quote #5: Conclusion: Very likely scum. Not too many posts at all, and none of them offering any original insight. imo this is a better lynch than anyone else so far, but Mr Wiggles earns second place. If Soulfire dodges the lynch then I’d at least like someone to DT check him Basically your analysis felt madly forced, and then in the end without contributing ANYTHING legitimate in your analysis you feel strongly enough to say "very likely"? That seems suspicious to me, quite frankly, but I'll let the others decide on that. Apart from that, I'm following the discussions carefully and have for now decided to vote for Mr. Wiggles as mostly a temporary vote. His only long post(cause hes defending himself). Also continues with his stance of "lynching lurkers" when he himself is a lurker. Finally decides to vote for mr. wiggles without giving his own opinionsn. | ||
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Pandain
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On January 04 2011 08:17 Soulfire wrote: Gonna keep it simple since you barely said anything in that analysis... 1. I play the "newb card" because I am a newb, lol. Not everything is a hint, of course you have to force things to make this analysis seem valid. 2. Did you even read what I said? You sounded pretty scummy, taking into account the information fishing you were doing, but I preferred Brocket in the end because he was more scummy, and a lurker. And how was I following you again? 3. Changed my mind because I didn't think clearly enough and followed a bandwagon because I'm a newb - clearly you didn't read my defense post, or just didn't pay attention. 4. I don't think I'm a lurker tbh, not like some others like Darth or GeorgeClooney... I'm a newb who comments on the posts of others when necessary. TBH half of the posts from "active" players are useless, so taking that into account, I'm just saying what I can and not pointing fingers randomly. I even said I was voting for Mr. Wiggles as a temporary vote, though I never bothered changing it because I knew it wouldn't go through, and everyone was set on annul. Kinda obnoxious how you guys do these forced analysis posts - I guess I'm a lurker because I don't, though. The problem is you have barely said anything. And that is not acceptable. Obviously you are not going to be able to comment on every single thing that happens. But when you only have like 10 posts in a thread over 1000 posts long, that is just unacceptable. The point is you have not contributed at all, besides your own defense. The most you've accomplished has been switching your vote from Brockett back to LSB, and besides that you haven't said a SINGLE PERSON who you think might be scum(at least without any proof.) Why do you come in and defend yourself yet not contribute otherwise? Why haven't you at least gave your own solid opinion on very important matters. For example, what do you think about role claiming to Opz/me. Furthormore, you've said "we should lynch lurkers" numerous times and yet lets look at your votes: On December 28 2010 16:01 Soulfire wrote: ##Vote: LSB On December 29 2010 08:21 Soulfire wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Brocket On December 29 2010 11:37 Soulfire wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote LSB On December 31 2010 17:34 Soulfire wrote: ##Vote Mr. Wiggles The mot "lurkerish" person you have voted is Brockett, who has twice the amount of posts you do. Why aren't you doing what you said you will do? Why aren't you contributing? And let me say this again, being new is not an excuse. Everyone has opinions, and since you said you have analyzed the posting habits of "veterans" in your first post, why aren't you just as motivated in this thread? | ||
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Now, I went through his posts. And I admit, I found them very suspicious. From his burst of activity during the Brockett bandwagon(which could've saved a blue), from his ardent opposition of LSB, to his "switch" vote from annul to another person when annul was getting lynched. But let me emphathize something that everyone should remember: Bad play does not make you scummy. I make mistakes all the time, and that does not mean I'm scum. The saving grace for Meapak in my eyes is that he tries. In his PMs to me they're always long, untypical of a mafia who wants to stay quiet. In his PMs with Baruder they are the same. On December 28 2010 09:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I see we're still stuck on Annul and LSB... but for those who are interested here is a look at the people who voted/are voting for pandain+ Show Spoiler + People who have voted for Pandain. RoL: Has three posts in the actually game. One post is advising dts, one post is spam attacking LSB and one post is suggesting that Annul and LSB are both mafia who are attacking each other to distract the town. Most of what he says is good stuff, his advice to dts is good and he voices reasonable suspicions of both Annul and LSB. He has never talked about his vote for pandain but at this point I don’t think he needs to, it was most likely just a poke. However I would like to see him post a bit more, he’s generally more active and he’s pretty good when he’s town so I’d like to get his full opinion on annul/LSB (other than his crazy theory). Has since retracted his vote in favor of drh. Mr. Wiggles: has fifteen or so posts so far, most of them occurred before the day post, he’s been contributing well and he has a reason to vote for pandain and he’s already been heavily discussed in the thread so nothing overly suspicious here. Has since retracted his vote in favor of drh. Tree.hugger: has four posts in the thread, he specifically stated that his vote for pandain was a pressure vote so I’m ok with that I guess. His posts have all been calling out inactives and requesting them (specifically pandain) to post. Still has his vote on pandain. Bumatlarge: has two posts, claims he RNG his vote for pandain in one and then goes on to say that it’s suspicious how pandain has five votes in thirty minutes in the other, kinda contradictory but without more posts it’s hard to get a good read. Like RoL I’d like for bum to post more. Still has his vote on pandain. Ryuu314: has three posts all discussing the coag ban and speculating how it would affect mafia kp. Pretty noobish posts and since he was the fourth person to jump on the pandain bandwagon I’m inclined to say he’s simply a sheepish townie but of the people who voted for pandain he’s the most suspicious. Still has vote on pandain. Opz: has one post in the thread which sounds like he may have been pming with drh. Really have no read on him, LSB said his town play and scum play are indistinguishable but I’m still learning the metagame around here so I would have no idea  would like to see him post more so I can get a better read. Still has vote on pandain.That’s a brief summary of the people voting for pandain. Like this post. He didn't just list the people who voted for me, he actually analyzed them. Furthormore, note how he did his spreadsheet, would mafia really be that "into it", even if trying to fake? The thing that makes me want to wait(note not that I'm convinced he's town), is the fact he tries to contribute to discussion. And that is one of the most pro town things anyone can do. In place of Meapak I actually offer George Clooney. Now, look at his posts this game. On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm active, and I'm a noob, so i'm just reading! Makes an excuse for lurking, based on the newb card. Also how is he active? On December 28 2010 14:33 GeorgeClooney wrote: And sorry, going to contribute once I get his whole logic thing of mine going Makes another excuse. On December 29 2010 21:14 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm properly going to vote Paindrain when day begins, cause he won't make up his mind. I thought lynching ESB was a retarded move, he would have roleclaimed after, and for god sakes he was a Vet. He could of established a town circle, nor was he scummy after the other guy (forgot his name) decided to bit his ass and not let go. Lets hope its not another blue lol. By the way, I want to start a town circle. Ofcourse i'm not going to lead this, but I ain't mafia, and I want to win a game lol. Straight forward. Anyone else for a town circle? This I originally thought showed that he was just an ignorant townie rather than a mafia, but first of all the fact is this is WAY too ignorant. I think he's trying to play the role of the ignorant townie so he doesn't have to contribute. Note the many times he says "lol." What the heck, this whole post is a joke. Finally, he got THREE names wrong, and forgot one of them. And how can you mispell LSB? Finally with the town circle that's just a joke. And how would you start it and not lead it? On December 30 2010 18:36 GeorgeClooney wrote: Fuck, I've got work tomorrow and over here it would be new years. Right now I'm going to vote for myself. Why? Although for some strange reason I think its Paindrain, I have analysed the post enoguh to know its him for certain. And if I think its not him afterwards the analyses then I can always change my vote to someone else. I would vote for him IF he had limited votes on him already, but for some reason there's quite a lot of votes on him already, so i'll lay off just incase I'm too wasted on NYE to change it. This is what he says: I'm going to vote how I feel,but won't really say anything. On January 03 2011 11:59 GeorgeClooney wrote: I'm a big fat green, like I have been in the last game of mafia. I agree with RoL that the current mafia are most likely lurkers, BUT I AM NOT ONE OF THEM LOL. Again with the "lol." But again, doesn't contribute, just says what RoL said. Finally another common tell is when people say stuff like "I'm a townie, just like in last game." On January 05 2011 00:58 GeorgeClooney wrote: Okay ladies and gentlemen, I would like to make my first and meaningful post in TLmafia, because I have some justifying reasons to my inactivity. I as you know, a celebrity. I do not live the life of an average human, rather I travel. I see the worlds colours through my very own dark brown pupils. The reflection of the light strathoms threw my eyes penetrating the last line of defence: ego. As it bursts, the colours of chilling blue and blazing red enter the very soul of my heart. As a man I felt ashamed. I have let down not only my family and friends, I have let down even myself. I bent over in the cracks of dawn, thinking about the previous night. attemping to reconcile the events, but suddenly. A jolt shackled through the seeping narrow gap that layed between each bone in my spine. The pain was immense. I clenched my fist in anger, but. I couldn't... I looked left in my supposedly clenched first, but it was still open. Like a wintergrasp flower opening up. With all the roots deeping seeping into the ground. A giant darkeness overcame me. I struggled but nothing was listing. My temple refuse to listen to me. The closing tip of my worship tower was sealed, my influence has no more control. My eyes close. "ARE YOU OKAY". Woken up by the shaking of face, I arose. It was my sister. Her tears were rushing down her face like the ohio river in the spring. What happened I thought..... "YOU WERE H...." THE END.....of part 1. I am town. This post convinced me that he was just playing ignorant rather than being ignorant. At least in the last game he actually gave some of his thoughts, in this game he's just typing random BS. Please vote this guy. | ||
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Pandain
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+ Show Spoiler + [14:43] <Mepak_Darth> sup [14:44] <Pandain> so meapak/darth, which one are you, really? [14:44] <Pandain> seems more like darth to me [14:44] <Pandain> considering he mispelled meapak, and then added darth [14:44] <Mepak_Darth> This is Tree, and woops [14:45] <Pandain> kk what was the title of my pm to you [14:46] <Pandain> ???? [14:46] <Mepak_Darth> or "hi" [14:46] <Mepak_Darth> "EffOrt is so handsome" [14:46] <Pandain> O.o [14:46] <Pandain> wtf with the last part [14:46] <Pandain> but [14:46] <Mepak_Darth> amirite? [14:46] <Pandain> anyway [14:46] <Pandain> why are u suspiciouiis of GC [14:48] <Mepak_Darth> His last post is totally ridiculous [14:49] <Mepak_Darth> from my slapshod browsing of the thread, mafia is probably seraph, darth, GC and someone else [14:49] <Pandain> the thing about seraph [14:49] <Pandain> is that he was like [14:49] <Pandain> "Annul is probably mafia" [14:50] <Pandain> plus why are you voting meepak then [14:50] <Pandain> if you don't think he's mafia [14:50] <Pandain> WTF IM A QUEEN [14:50] <Pandain> FADOODLE YEAH [14:51] <Mepak_Darth> he might be, and I don't take kindly to "I'm gonna enjoy flipping cause im green lololol" posts [14:51] <Pandain> why do you think meepak is mafia, just because of that? [14:51] <Mepak_Darth> nah, he's been on my list from the beginning [14:52] <Pandain> why [14:52] <Mepak_Darth> He's gone down in priority, but we have the votes, so I'd rather take him out now [14:52] <Mepak_Darth> why? [14:52] <Mepak_Darth> I dunno, seemed scummy to me [14:53] <Pandain> would you rather lynch someone else? [14:53] <Mepak_Darth> Not really, there a whole bunch of people whom we have to take out at some point [14:53] <Mepak_Darth> might as well start now [14:54] <Pandain> theoretically if you could [14:54] <Pandain> who would you [14:54] <Mepak_Darth> If you can give me a convincing role based reason such as "He's the Bus Driver 100%" then I might switch [14:54] <Mepak_Darth> I would lynch Seraph [14:56] <Mepak_Darth> On another note [14:57] <Mepak_Darth> I have somewhere I have to be in ten minutes, and I'm thinking now would be a good time to get out of my pajamas [14:57] <Mepak_Darth> Happy hunting! [14:58] <Pandain> ok [15:17] <Pandain> anyone else here? [15:19] <GGQ> a bit ya [15:20] <Pandain> what do you think about gc? [15:20] <Pandain> read my post? [15:21] <GGQ> working on it [15:21] <GGQ> while watching today's GSL [15:21] <Pandain> i need to buy those tickets :/ [15:21] <GGQ> boxer played today :D [15:22] <Pandain> i heard he got like 4 OCs and mass muled vs hyperdub :p [15:23] <GGQ> havent seen him yet, still watching the code A games [15:24] <GGQ> and i'd really rather not switch off of meapak [15:24] <Pandain> y [15:25] <GGQ> i think he's mafia [15:25] <GGQ> also shockeyy isn't getting much limelight, if i die and you are still alive, keep him in mind [15:29] <Pandain> whos your other vote [15:30] <GGQ> it's on themango, following my gut [15:30] <GGQ> i'd be more willing to change that one [15:30] <Pandain> i dont think mango is mafia, remember this is his first time online mafia [15:39] <GGQ> yeah i'm voting for my gut on him cuz i want to see more from him than what he's shown so far [15:40] <GGQ> but i can change that vote to georgeclooney if you like [15:40] <GGQ> i see GC as a coinflip though [15:40] <GGQ> he seems equally likely to be a bored trolling townie [15:40] <GGQ> as a mafia [15:40] <GGQ> to me [15:41] <Pandain> i really have a good feel on him right now [15:41] <Pandain> he could be trolling i admit, but i highly doubt it [15:52] <Pandain> ok then can u change? [16:06] <Pandain> hihihihi 3000 win sc2 player [16:06] <Pandain> who are u? [16:07] <DarkVoice> just an obs :p [16:07] <GGQ> "/scan" [16:08] <DarkVoice> You become blinded by what you have seen [16:12] <Pandain> *medic uses restoration on ggq [16:12] <Pandain> now thats a throwback [16:13] <DarkVoice> lol [16:18] <barry> he hey [16:18] <barry> whos darkvoice? [16:19] <Pandain> either a smurf or a person whos just obsing [16:19] <GGQ> who is barry [16:19] <GGQ> is another good question [16:19] <Pandain> barundar [16:19] <GGQ> oh [16:19] <barry> indeed [16:19] <barry> [16:20] <Pandain> but anyway [16:20] <barry> im kinda embarassed over myself with regards to meapak [16:20] <barry> came across as town on irc, and he trusted me fully [16:20] <barry> but that just freaked me out :/ [16:20] <Pandain> He's really suspicious to me actually [16:21] <Pandain> but I want to wait a bit more, to analyze him [16:21] <barry> ye [16:21] <barry> i dont like zergling is still alive [16:21] <Pandain> he's done a HECK of scummy things(accuse insanious, accuse lsb, defend annul, then attack him and then unvote) [16:21] <Pandain> but I just have a hunch he's town [16:21] <Pandain> zergling I'm wondering aobut [16:22] <Pandain> I was under the impression he's town, and still think so overall [16:22] <Pandain> but he's definitely somewhat suspicious [16:22] <Pandain> however I'm much more confident in the lynches now [16:22] <Pandain> Honestly what do you think about darth? It's like orgolove, why isn't he defending himself? [16:22] <Pandain> well, at least orgo did SOMEWHAT(by attacking me :p) [16:24] <barry> honestly dont like lynching darth [16:25] <Pandain> I just feel like if he were town [16:25] <Pandain> he would be posting more, trying more to get involved [16:25] <barry> you know i did provoke him right [16:25] <Pandain> plus ryu was suspicious ing eneral [16:25] <Pandain> how so? [16:25] <Pandain> in pms or what [16:25] <barry> both in thread and pms [16:25] <Pandain> can i see ur pms with him [16:25] <Pandain> also have any with GC? or seraph? [16:26] <barry> GC? lol [16:26] <Pandain> I'm getting more suspicious of seraph, but first of all have to compare him with previous games before a final call [16:26] <barry> got a few with seraph [16:26] <Pandain> george clooney [16:26] <barry> i know [16:26] <barry> but why would I write him? [16:26] <barry> :D [16:26] <Pandain> hehe [16:27] <Pandain> watching tlo's stream? [16:27] <barry> nope, leveling in wow [16:27] <Pandain> i saw that on the side, and i just like was "YEAH BOI" [16:27] <Pandain> ewww [16:27] <barry> hehe [16:28] <barry> what did the crazy german do? [16:28] <Pandain> ling dropped [16:29] <barry> oO [16:29] <Pandain> but he has epic music playing [16:29] <MrWiggles> Harro [16:30] <Pandain> hai mr. wiggles [16:30] <Pandain> what are your thoughts right now [16:32] <LunarDestiny> I actually got in this time [16:32] <Pandain> yayayayayya [16:32] <Pandain> hihi lunar [16:32] <barry> w00t [16:32] <barry> hey everyone [16:32] <Pandain> what are your thoughts right now lunar? [16:32] <LunarDestiny> i am real too [16:32] <MrWiggles> my thoughts, hmm.... [16:33] <Pandain> here i'll help [16:33] <MrWiggles> currently [16:33] <MrWiggles> I'm suspicious of Meapack, George_Clooney, Darth, Mango [16:33] <Pandain> what are ya'll thoughts on: seraph, GC, meapak, Mr. Zergling, and the town circle idea [16:34] <barry> well i think i fucked up on meapak [16:34] <barry> let my suspicions get in the way of rational thinking [16:35] <Pandain> no rational thinking SHOULD lead u to meapak being scum [16:35] <Pandain> or at least logic [16:35] <barry> only the voting [16:35] <Pandain> his actions have been scummy, but the way he carries that out, and his intereactions with both me and you [16:35] <Pandain> indicate hes town [16:35] <barry> yup [16:35] <Pandain> in addition he refused medic protection so [16:35] <barry> yeah thats a big plus [16:36] <Pandain> LOL I ask them for their thoughts and then we start discussing [16:36] <Pandain> but what do you think wiggles/lunar [16:36] <barry> :X [16:37] <LunarDestiny> Meapak was on to Mr.Zergling the entire game so they both can't be mafia. I still think darth is a threat but we don't necessary have to deal with him right now [16:37] <Pandain> u think zergling is mafia? [16:38] <LunarDestiny> I am kind of convinced that GC is a real cerebrity since 3 of his 21 post say so [16:38] <barry> lol [16:39] <MrWiggles> woops lol [16:40] <MrWiggles> Just went back and reread all of GGQ's posts, then realized you wrote GC [16:40] <MrWiggles> brb [16:40] <Pandain> well [16:40] <Pandain> what do you think of ggq then [16:40] <MrWiggles> not GG [16:40] <MrWiggles> From just his posting he seems pretty town [16:40] <MrWiggles> He's been posting suspicions it seems [16:40] <MrWiggles> He's not afraid to point fingers at people he thinks are mafia [16:41] <MrWiggles> He's been contributing [16:41] <Pandain> what do you think about GC. Shouldn't be hard to skim his posts [16:41] <LunarDestiny_> i just got dropped [16:41] <MrWiggles> 1 sec, lemme look at them [16:41] <LunarDestiny_> restarting firefox [16:42] <barry> i bet darkvoice is flamewheel! [16:42] <Pandain> I bet he's bill murray. Haunting me from the (grave?) [16:43] <DarkVoice> close, I'm actually flamewheel/bill murray's love child [16:43] <LunarDestiny_> . [16:44] <MrWiggles> Cool [16:44] <MrWiggles> You have awesome parents [16:44] <MrWiggles> Ok, so GC [16:44] <barry> except that flamewheel guy [16:45] <Pandain> go on wiggls [16:45] <MrWiggles> He's posted a limited amount of times, he's said he's a noob plenty of times, and has claimed green like 4 times. He has contributed basically NOTHING to the discussion, and in his last post I thought he was going to tell us he had a stroke. So, I think he's prolly mafia, or else a really bored townie. [16:46] <Pandain> look at his last game [16:46] <Pandain> salem mafia [16:46] <MrWiggles> ok [16:46] <Pandain> he had like 5 posts before he got modkilled [16:47] <barry> pretty much same stuff, think he had one good post in that game though [16:48] <MrWiggles> yeah, so it seems [16:48] <LunarDestiny_> Again I am convinced that he is a cerebrity or a cerebrity wannabe but i'll analysis him as the former. [16:48] <Pandain> look at his last two posts [16:48] <Pandain> what do you notice about them and whats different from this game? [16:48] <LunarDestiny_> it is impossible to classify him as mafia or inactive town. [16:49] <LunarDestiny_> EDIT: it is impossible to classify him BETWEEN mafia or inactive town. [16:49] <Pandain> Last game, his last two posts in salem mafia(before he got modkilled) [16:49] <Pandain> they indicate to me that he was at least trying [16:50] <Rebirth> pandain, I will get to be a queen soon. [16:50] <Pandain> look, he was asking questions about the game, and gave his thoughts in the final post [16:50] <Rebirth> Just wait for it. [16:50] <MrWiggles> yeah, he was saying actual opinions [16:50] <Pandain> he has done nothing in this game [16:50] <Rebirth> Wait, were you just a muta or a lurker? [16:50] <Pandain> @rebirth, i still have to be a muta :p [16:50] <Pandain> u were already a queen me thinks [16:50] <Rebirth> DAMN IT [16:50] <Pandain> i was a lurker [16:50] <MrWiggles> What did he flip after the modkill, I can't find it? [16:50] <Rebirth> I will be a guardian then! [16:50] <Pandain> =D [16:50] <Pandain> dt [16:50] <Rebirth> you h ave more posts then me, then I realized you have had half the time on this site [16:51] <Rebirth> and its a combo time/post count [16:52] <Pandain> yup [16:52] <Pandain> all thanks to mafia forum [16:52] <Pandain> like my first game, in which i probably had over 300 posts and once octoplet posted [16:53] <Pandain> well what do you guys think about voting GC? [16:53] <Pandain> instead of meapak(or someone else theoretically) [16:53] <barry> got zero read on a few players [16:53] <barry> GC is one of them [16:53] <MrWiggles> How sure are we GC is mafia, can we tell besides he's not actually trying this game? [16:54] <barry> we havent seen him as mafia [16:54] <Pandain> im pretty sure [16:54] <Pandain> read my analysis [16:54] <LunarDestiny_> GC will probably not contribute any else in this game. [16:55] <Pandain> The difference between last game and this game is while both were lurking, last game he actually contributed [16:55] <Pandain> this game he is trying to appear as a bad townie [16:55] <Pandain> when really its obvious he's not cause he's trying too hard [16:55] <MrWiggles> yeah [16:56] <LunarDestiny_> But i want to ask if we lynch him today, what do we do with darth, zergling, or meapak? [16:56] <Pandain> i say stick with darth [16:56] <Pandain> and let zergling and meapak live for another day [16:56] <Pandain> i really think we should check meapak [16:57] <barry> without naming anyone, has a second DT claimed to you? [16:57] <Pandain> no [16:57] <MrWiggles> Do we really want to lynch two lurkers though? [16:57] <MrWiggles> or is that good [16:57] <LunarDestiny_> as the game go on, framer will become more powerful and dt checking these high profile players are big risk [16:57] <Pandain> i agree [16:57] <Pandain> i probably shouldn't have said I/other dts were going to check meapak [16:58] <Pandain> @wiggles, I have a high feeling they're lurking [16:58] <Pandain> we want to lynch lurkers, just not inactives [16:58] <LunarDestiny_> lurkers should be dt checked since they have lower chance of being framed [16:59] <Pandain> that'll take way to long [16:59] <Pandain> especially since if they continue roleblockign me [16:59] <MrWiggles> I know, that's why I called them lurkers =P. Was just asking if it was a good move to hit two, and not one and a semi-active we think is red, unless there is no one we can confidently finger as red [16:59] <Pandain> thats one check at a time [16:59] <Pandain> at the time theres no one i can confidently finger as red [17:00] <MrWiggles> So we kill two lurkers, and that can actually motivate the rest to start posting more [17:00] <MrWiggles> too [17:00] <barry> thing is, i think darth can be motivated to post more, he already has started [17:00] <Pandain> not really though [17:00] <LunarDestiny_> he only posted once after [17:00] <barry> after what? [17:01] <LunarDestiny_> massive vote on him [17:01] <Pandain> i was thinking alot during orgo why a mafia might not defend himself. [17:01] <Pandain> town almost always would, but i was thinking so would mafia [17:01] <MrWiggles> But is that him wanting to contribute, or being scared because we're targeting lurkers [17:01] <Pandain> so i was confused [17:01] <Pandain> but then i realized the only reason someone wouldn't defend themselves were if they were 1. totally inactive/didn't know being lynched. 2. Don't care about the game. 3. Know they could be saved [17:01] <Pandain> #1,#2 don't apply to darth [17:02] <Pandain> That leaves #3 [17:02] <Pandain> I think meapak and zergling were going to be voted ahead of him [17:02] <Pandain> and then two townies die [17:02] <Pandain> part of the reason why I believe meapak [17:02] <barry> its alot of meta, but yeah it doesnt seem like anyone really cares but meapak [17:03] <barry> and he doesnt care either now [17:03] <LunarDestiny_> if darth didn't defend himself or didn't vote on the other two highest(zergling and meapak) i will consider him as lirking inactive but he did try to save himself with some effort [17:03] <Pandain> one post [17:04] <LunarDestiny_> for the meapak/zergling situation, they can't both be mafia [17:04] <barry> nope [17:04] <barry> they can both be town though [17:04] <LunarDestiny_> so if we can be should that one is mafia and kill him in some way, the other is town [17:05] <LunarDestiny_> yes, they both can be town but they have the high possibility of being mafia at this point [17:07] <MrWiggles> yeah [17:07] <LunarDestiny_> so if we are ever going to lynch one of them, the other shouldn't be lynched on the same day [17:07] <Insanious> happy? [17:07] <MrWiggles> It's too bad there's a framer, because we can't trust mafia DT checks as 100% [17:07] <barry> zomg so many people [17:07] <Pandain> hi insanious [17:07] <Pandain> HAI AIDNAI [17:07] <Insanious> hi pandain\ [17:08] <barry> aidnai wrong game? [17:08] <Pandain> we're discussing people now [17:08] <Pandain> insanious, what you think of meapak in particular? [17:08] <Insanious> he's scum [17:08] <Insanious> i posted an analysis long time ago [17:08] <Insanious> and still think he's scum, [17:09] <Pandain> There have been some pro town elements in him that make me want to wait to lynch him now [17:09] <Pandain> like he refused medic protection [17:09] <Insanious> ... [17:09] <Pandain> his pms with me and barundar show townie traits [17:09] <Insanious> doesnt need medic protection if hes a red [17:09] <Pandain> mafia want to soak up medic protection [17:09] <Insanious> yes, but they want to look like town too [17:09] <Pandain> theres a chance he just didn't want to "claim" blue but I think by doing that it would've actually been the best move to do if mafia [17:10] <Insanious> i've thought he was red since the LSB lynch... [17:10] <aidnai> hi guyz, i'm not gonna chat it up, just gonna read some of this if I have time [17:10] <aidnai> shits and giggles, you know the drill [17:12] <Pandain> what do you guys think about darth? [17:12] <LunarDestiny_> not playing to his true potential [17:12] <Insanious> for 1 he's a replacement, which to me makes him less likely to be a red... (not 100% not a red, but less likely) [17:12] <LunarDestiny_> in other games he lurked, but he still post good stuff [17:13] <LunarDestiny_> Do you guys think that annul is really piss at the game around his death? [17:13] <Insanious> i do... [17:13] <Insanious> he was godfather and died day 2 along with a WoG red [17:13] <Insanious> that sucks [17:13] <barry> i did everything i could to make him pissed off [17:14] <LunarDestiny_> okay. I once play as mafia and even though that some of my members are lurking hardcore, I was not pissed at them [17:14] <Insanious> the difference is one of his members was mod killed for not playing [17:14] <LunarDestiny_> In my experience, mafia don't get pissed off with their fellow members [17:14] <Insanious> what it seems to me, is that he was pissed that his mafia mate didnt show up to even vote [17:15] <GGQ> notice what he said about mafia not bothering to do anything except vote for themselves or not vote at all. the only person who voted for himself, iirc was shockeyy [17:15] <LunarDestiny_> I don't think that is the true reason why he is pissed off. [17:15] <Insanious> probaly pissed that he died day 2 [17:15] <LunarDestiny_> Look at the replacement for modkill [17:16] <LunarDestiny_> I think they are Dr.H, RoL, and drath [17:16] <barry> i was a replacement [17:16] <LunarDestiny_> so annul might be pissed that town got the high skill people [17:16] <barry> dont think rol was [17:16] <MrWiggles> Dr.H and RoL were bothe town [17:16] <LunarDestiny_> both Dr.H and RoL who died replaced town [17:17] <MrWiggles> Also annul was voted godfather, so why did they pick him? Have we thought about that? [17:17] <LunarDestiny_> If we can be sure Annul is piss around the time after his death, we can use it to analysis [17:17] <Pandain> cause after getting lsb lynched, he was likely to be checked [17:17] <MrWiggles> I'm not sure how gf is normally chosen [17:17] <MrWiggles> ok, so was it just a move to save him? [17:18] <MrWiggles> Cause that seems a little short-sighted [17:18] <MrWiggles> because he could easily have said he was framed because there was a lot of contreversy around hgim and he was likely to be checked [17:18] <Insanious> guys... GF was picked night 2... why? so that when Annul was checked he would show up as town [17:18] <LunarDestiny_> Mafia often vote their best players or new player as their gf [17:19] <LunarDestiny_> Annul can pick what ever role he choose [17:19] <MrWiggles> how many games has annul played? [17:19] <LunarDestiny_> like 3? [17:20] <MrWiggles> ok [17:20] <LunarDestiny_> i believe he is 2-1 or 1-2 [17:20] <barry> he raped town as godfather in... i think it was insane mafia? [17:20] <LunarDestiny_> He did host HP mafia which makes me think he is experienced with the game [17:20] <barry> he plays alot on irc as well [17:22] <MrWiggles> I'm just wondering, because if for example annul was one of the most experienced players, and was chosen gf. Then *if* his rage was real and he was mad at his lynching, it would seem his whole team is almost all inexperienced/lurking players. Those two facts correlate. Other mafia are inexperienced, they pick him, he gets lynched, rages at his lurking, inexperienced team. [17:22] <MrWiggles> Does this make sense or am I retarded? [17:22] <LunarDestiny_> It make sense the more I think about it [17:23] <GGQ> that's just what i assumed right away [17:23] <LunarDestiny_> If that is the case, we will be dealing with inactive mafia the rest of the game [17:23] <barry> to be honest that might be why there was no resistance to lynching annul ._. [17:23] <Pandain> lets not go too far into wifom though [17:23] <MrWiggles> But there could still be maybe 1or 2 experienced players who were mafia, but wanted annul to be gf [17:23] <Pandain> you can fake rage, and now we're saying "would mafia have picked most expierenced player or what" [17:24] <Pandain> and i think gf was picked Night ONE [17:24] <GGQ> yeah that's what i was thinking. it's too dangerous to base everyone on wifom [17:24] <GGQ> just keep it in mind [17:24] <MrWiggles> yeah [17:24] <GGQ> everything* [17:25] <MrWiggles> I'm not saying to base all our votes on this speculation, but if we vote for darth and gc tonight and one/both flip red, it could help [17:25] <MrWiggles> if the rage was faked though, then at least 1 other mafia is an active, experienced player. [17:26] <barry> well the closer we get to lylo, the more dangerous it is having people around we cant really trust [17:26] <barry> and since we got kinda lucky, it might be worth taking out inactives now [17:26] <Insanious> meapak or brocket... one or both = scum, i can feel it [17:27] <LunarDestiny_> Annul's post: "i really cant win when my teammate doesnt care enough to vote for anyone other than himself and/or vote at all. its utterly ridiculous. it ruins games. we would probably play on if we were only down one. but two?" [17:27] <LunarDestiny_> how about we use a lynch to confirm if he is really raging [17:27] <Insanious> how [17:27] <LunarDestiny_> we can lynch an lurker also [17:27] <LunarDestiny_> "vote for anyone other than himself and/or vote at all" [17:28] <Insanious> thats tevo btw [17:28] <Insanious> tevo voted himself night 1, and didnt vote at all night 2 [17:29] <Pandain> note its "teamMATE" not plural [17:29] <MrWiggles> but then again, he could have been talking specifically about tevo only [17:29] <Pandain> unless u mistyped [17:29] <MrWiggles> yeah [17:29] <LunarDestiny_> wait, Annul did use the term and/or, so he still have some sense in him. [17:30] <barry> should we get back to the game? [17:31] <LunarDestiny_> I like how there are people reading this and not saying anything [17:32] <MrWiggles> lol [17:32] <MrWiggles> well aidnai, and Rebirth can't really talk. Don't know who dark voice is, but if it's flamewheel he can't talk, so the only lurker would be mango [17:33] <LunarDestiny_> Why would people login with their TL name and not say anything to appear scummy. Are they trying to frame someone? [17:33] <MrWiggles> dunno [17:33] <MrWiggles> he could just be afk [17:34] <MrWiggles> and I'm not at it [17:34] <MrWiggles> I know that I sit in here sometimes all day, but that's just cause I leave my comp on [17:37] <Pandain> anyway [17:37] <Pandain> wiggles who u gonna vote for [17:37] <Pandain> also what do you guys think about claiming to opz [17:38] <MrWiggles> Not meapack, cause I'd rather wait for a check or something [17:38] <MrWiggles> I've claimed to both you and opz [17:38] <MrWiggles> I might just go for the GC and darth vote [17:41] <barry> what about you luna? [17:41] <barry> and insanious? [17:42] <LunarDestiny_> I won't change my vote off darth unless something big changes my mind [17:42] <LunarDestiny_> For Mr.Zergling, I am voting him because his activity dropped after annul died. [17:43] <Pandain> what do you think about claiming to opz? [17:43] <LunarDestiny_> I really want him to join the chat channel and prove that he is capable of doing analysis without someone's help [17:44] <barry> opz is fine if he can not share it with others [17:44] <LunarDestiny_> i'll claim to opz since mafia won't take the risk of fake claiming [17:44] <LunarDestiny_> but i am afraid opz will leak information [17:45] <LunarDestiny_> and I don't think opz will be active and will be able to coordinate town [17:45] <barry> would rather pandain coordinated indeed [17:46] <Pandain> the problem is I'm not confirmed yet :p [17:46] <barry> u sorta are [17:46] <barry> annul raged on you [17:47] <Pandain> it could be epic mafia set up :p [17:49] <barry> yeah... [17:49] <barry> and you also suggested killing annul... [17:49] <barry> if you want to wifom the shit out of everything you can, but... [17:49] <Pandain> Just saying to be safe [17:50] <MrWiggles> Who would think of a mafia who would kill his own godfather? It's the perfect plan =P [17:50] <Pandain> I'll take anything I get cause I love feeling powerful/in control but just saying it would actually(well might) be dumb to claim to me [17:51] <Pandain> (hint hint claim to me XD) [17:51] <MrWiggles> Even people who claim can't *really* be trusted except for some who can prove what they are and be verified, otherwise we need to wait on Dt checks, right? [17:52] <barry> and with framer not even then ^^ [17:52] <barry> its only interesting if pandain can coordinate some medic action [17:52] <MrWiggles> Well if they come back blue or green they are that haha [17:52] <MrWiggles> if a medic protects you, are you notified? [17:53] <Pandain> no unless u were hit [17:53] <MrWiggles> ok [17:54] <MrWiggles> I thought you might be able to verify medics based on confirmed town who said they were protected and who the medic said they protected [17:54] <MrWiggles> but apparently not [17:56] <Pandain> wiggles vote now, mmkay? [17:56] <MrWiggles> kk [17:58] <MrWiggles> Done [17:58] <MrWiggles> Do you know what the vote counts are? [17:58] <MrWiggles> meapack:10 [17:59] <MrWiggles> darth:10 [18:00] <Pandain> clooney? [18:00] <MrWiggles> GC:6 [18:00] <MrWiggles> someone should post in thread we are coordinating on GC instead of Meapack for now? [18:01] <Pandain> GGQ and insanious u need to unvote mepak [18:01] <Insanious> why i want meapak to die[18:02] <MrWiggles> 5 people have votes on zergling that are basically wasteful now too [18:02] <MrWiggles> if we really want meapack to stay for tonight [18:06] <DarthThienAn> y'all so noob [18:06] <Pandain> also [18:06] <Pandain> HAI DARTH [18:06] <Pandain> omg [18:06] <Pandain> <3 [18:06] <DarthThienAn> sup [18:06] <Pandain> u finally on [18:06] <Pandain> why no contributing [18:06] <Pandain> ? [18:06] <DarthThienAn> ya me good lurker [18:07] <DarthThienAn> me no want to read [18:07] <DarthThienAn> 40 pages [18:07] <DarthThienAn> so i read 3 [18:07] <DarthThienAn> ^^ [18:07] <Pandain> O.O [18:07] <Pandain> But SO quiet [18:07] <Pandain> you could've pmed me, been like [18:07] <Pandain> sup, what is mafia [18:07] <Pandain> and i waited [18:07] <Pandain> I WAITED FOR THAT PM [18:07] <DarthThienAn> 4got [18:08] <Pandain> I STAYED UP [18:08] <DarthThienAn> yea i meant to do that [18:08] <Pandain> ALL NIGHT [18:08] <DarthThienAn> lol [18:08] <Pandain> but no... no pm [18:08] <DarthThienAn> LAL [18:08] <DarthThienAn> lies [18:08] <Pandain> I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF [18:08] <DarthThienAn> lol [18:08] <Pandain> I TOOK IT SO I COULD REMEMBER MY GRIEF FOREVA [18:08] <DarthThienAn> i stayed up all night too dont worry [18:08] <DarthThienAn> o-o [18:08] <DarthThienAn> anyway [18:08] <DarthThienAn> point me toward some stuff [18:08] <DarthThienAn> to look at [18:09] <Pandain> anyway, u might want to unvote mr zergling at the very least [18:09] <Pandain> vote george clooney [18:09] <Pandain> good for both me AND you [18:09] <DarthThienAn> k [18:09] <DarthThienAn> i dont really think zergling is mafia [18:09] <DarthThienAn> based on some annul posts i looked at [18:09] <Pandain> what else have you looked at [18:09] <Pandain> besides last 3 pages [18:09] <DarthThienAn> some votes but i dont remember picking anything up from that [18:10] <DarthThienAn> since that modkilled kid noob vote [18:10] <DarthThienAn> though, annul voted for zergling/wriggles or something [18:10] <DarthThienAn> so, less on them [18:11] <Pandain> so [18:11] <Pandain> any thoughts? [18:12] <DarthThienAn> randoml? [18:12] <DarthThienAn> not really [18:12] <DarthThienAn> barunder seems okay [18:13] <MrWiggles> Who's hazelynut? [18:14] <MrWiggles> he jsut voted but he's not a player [18:14] <aidnai> wtf [18:14] <Pandain> hes silly [18:14] <Pandain> darth its just [18:14] <Pandain> how long since you've joined [18:14] <Pandain> this game [18:15] <DarthThienAn> oh shit [18:15] <DarthThienAn> i forgot i was on her acct [18:16] <Pandain> LOL [18:16] <Pandain> u have a 600 post smurf? [18:16] <Pandain> wtf [18:16] <barry> lmao [18:16] <DarthThienAn> no [18:16] <DarthThienAn> its hazelynut [18:16] <DarthThienAn> im just on her comp [18:16] <aidnai> 700 post smurf [18:16] <aidnai> rofl [18:16] <DarthThienAn> lol [18:16] <MrWiggles> lol [18:17] <DarthThienAn> oops [18:17] <DarthThienAn> i used her 700th post [18:17] <DarthThienAn> shes gonna be mad [18:17] <barry> lolol [18:17] <MrWiggles> lol [18:18] <DarthThienAn> thoughts on d3? [18:18] <Pandain> he's one of my suspects [18:19] <Pandain> has barely posted at all [18:19] <Pandain> except when i pressure him [18:19] <DarthThienAn> yea [18:20] <DarthThienAn> but if hes mafia, gc probably isnt mafia [18:21] <DarthThienAn> else he wouldnt suggest switching [18:21] <Pandain> it could be a false vote [18:21] <Pandain> but ur right [18:21] <Pandain> most likely [18:21] <Pandain> honestly i feel out of you, gc, and d3 [18:21] <Pandain> at least one is scum [18:22] <barry> i really think we shouldnt lynch meapak :/ [18:22] <barry> its getting really close [18:22] <Pandain> no shizzle [18:22] <Pandain> but now [18:22] <Pandain> mafia go "afk" [18:22] <Pandain> and pretend "ohh, we were just afk so we didn't unvote" [18:22] <Pandain> but ggq and insanious both have to unvote him [18:22] <Pandain> so wt fadoodle [18:22] <Insanious> i'll unvote him, but when he flips red... you're getting a huge "i told you so" post in the thread [18:23] <Pandain> Just remember, we're waiting, not putting him off suspicion [18:23] <DarthThienAn> who, meapak? [18:23] <Pandain> yup [18:24] <Pandain> darthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [18:24] <Pandain> check the tabssssssssssssssssssssss [18:24] <Pandain> im secretly speaking to youuuuuuuuuuuuuu [18:24] <DarthThienAn> tabs? [18:24] <DarthThienAn> O_O [18:24] <Pandain> O_o [18:26] <DarthThienAn> anyway [18:26] <DarthThienAn> even worse than lynching a townie is everyone switching based on a hunch or something [18:27] <Pandain> which is why i dont want to switch from you [18:27] <Pandain> sorrry [18:27] <Pandain> your the one I was most suspicious of other than now gc [18:27] <DarthThienAn> lol [18:27] <DarthThienAn> man [18:27] <DarthThienAn> those 2 posts [18:27] <DarthThienAn> i shouldve worded them differently [18:27] <Pandain> ??? [18:28] <DarthThienAn> ive posted like twice [18:28] <DarthThienAn> how so suspicious [18:28] <DarthThienAn> is what i mean [18:28] <DarthThienAn> but i get it [18:28] <DarthThienAn> im joking [18:29] <Pandain> do you guys seriously want to lynch someone else? [18:29] <Pandain> i want this up to debate [18:29] <Pandain> we have 3 and a half hours, so we CAN do it [18:29] <DarthThienAn> i mean [18:29] <DarthThienAn> dont lynch me [18:29] <DarthThienAn> 100% of missing mafia [18:30] <DarthThienAn> did Insanious ever get lynched/flip? [18:30] <Insanious> im very much town [18:30] <Pandain> yeah, hes one of those zombies who can talk/post/vote after death :p [18:30] <Insanious> and alive [18:30] <DarthThienAn> ohi [18:30] <DarthThienAn> o.o [18:31] <Pandain> We could lynch meepak............ I mean, I'd rather him die now rather than darth [18:31] <DarthThienAn> jumped to a random page and was reading it [18:31] <DarthThienAn> ^^ [18:31] <Pandain> but darth [18:31] <Pandain> if we do that [18:31] <Insanious> lol [18:31] <Pandain> i want u to read thread [18:31] <Pandain> and actually start contributing [18:31] <DarthThienAn> dont worry yo [18:31] <DarthThienAn> im already 10% done [18:31] <MrWiggles> lol [18:31] <Pandain> im going to feel retarded if you end up red :p [18:32] <DarthThienAn> me2 yo [18:32] <DarthThienAn> ill be like [18:32] <DarthThienAn> yo i thought i was town [18:32] <Pandain> LOL [18:32] <Pandain> anyway [18:32] <Pandain> wiggles [18:32] <Pandain> vote count [18:32] <Pandain> gogogo [18:32] <DarthThienAn> wait, insanious ever get confirmed? [18:32] <Pandain> <3 u wiggles [18:32] <DarthThienAn> or we all just chillin [18:32] <Pandain> no [18:32] <Pandain> but i trust him [18:33] <Insanious> im the townest player in town town [18:33] <Pandain> nah [18:33] <Pandain> u used to be [18:33] <Pandain> well [18:33] <Pandain> i would say barundar is [18:33] <Pandain> well besides opz :p [18:34] <MrWiggles> Meapack: 9 [18:34] <Pandain> <3 u wiggles [18:34] <Insanious> this game made me sad once it went out of thread and I couldn't read everything that was talked about, to be able to analyze people and it turned into IRC popularity contest [18:34] <MrWiggles> dath:10 [18:35] <MrWiggles> and meapack: 8, zergling just changed his [18:35] <Insanious> so then, now I'm like that crazy drunk old man, that screams out obseneties at the kids [18:35] <Insanious> because shit didn't go his way [18:35] <MrWiggles> GC: 8 [18:35] <MrWiggles> rofl [18:36] <Insanious> oh and brocket should of died night 1, and meapak night 2 [18:36] <MrWiggles> so, Darth:10, Meapack: 8, GC: 8 [18:36] <Insanious> k k time to vote meapak again [18:36] <Pandain> but yeah [18:37] <Pandain> its either meepak or darth [18:37] <Pandain> and while i think both are town [18:37] <Pandain> meepak has been scummy while darth just inactive [18:37] <Pandain> and darth is funnier :p [18:37] <MrWiggles> lol [18:37] <DarthThienAn> lol [18:37] <Insanious> lol [18:37] <DarthThienAn> wait [18:37] <DarthThienAn> why brocket and meapak on a hit list? 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On another note, I'd like to reiterate that everyone should roleclaim to Opz. He is entirely confirmed. If anyone can think of a reason not to please PM me, regardless of your role. | ||
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First off I was roleblocked again. This indicates to me that mafia will probably keep on doing this because: 1)They know I'm DT, and this will be a succeful roleblock 2.)They might try to cast doubt on my role as DT But I still have good fashioned scum hunting, so I'm going to leave you with a bit of my thoughts. Let's take a look at the player list: 3. SeRapH 5. Brocket 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 11. 15. ShoCkeyy 17. ilovejonn 18. Insanious 19. Orgolove 24. d3_crescentia 29. Given that mafia KP went down after 2 died, and the fact that most likely there were 6/7(likely 6, 7 seems too big) mafia in the start, the formula for mafia kp is most likely # of mafia/2. So now there are probably either 4/5(likely 4) mafia remaining. I figure one of the best things I can do to help figure out who's still suspicious is to seperate the pro town from the rest. First off, who's pro town in my eyes: Me: Opz:Confirmed Mr. Wiggles: Posts long posts when he does, good content in them Barundar: Has been with me in a while, good reads from him on irc. In addition contributing to discussion. Insanious: Like Barundar, except not in constant contact with me. Still, very pro town in my eyes. Why: Doesn't post much, but those posts are long when he does. People who I feel are likely town, but less sure of: Jackal58 The Mango Shockeyy People Who I don't know: Soulfire- seriously need to post more Tree hugger-posts long, but hardly posts People who I think are mafia but unsure D3-hardly posts except when pressured. Seraph-RoL's main suspect, this guy has been pretty suspicious. Aside from an analysis about Soulfire, Seraph hasn't really contributed that much. People I think are mafia IloveJonn-from weak thoughts to excuses for not analyzing, from making contradictions like saying we shouldn't just follow what other people think and then vote someone based on what someone else said, for weak vote reasons, this guy is suspicious. Orgolove-Come on, it really can't still be considered "the holidays." Mr Zergling Has been playing really scummy. For example, said in beginning we should be lynching inactives and then hasn't voted for an inactive sent. Defended Annul, and did a soft attempt at keeping the bandwagon on Orgolove. Right now really the only thing saving him is that he's playing similar to his last game as town. Finally, remember everyone should claim to Opz. He is confirmed, 100%. Let me repeat that. Him being vigi is the ONLY POSSIBLE way for three kills to have happened that night. The sole remaining DT, you are the most important person right now. The people who you have found green are confirmed without a shadow of a doubt. The people who are found red you should tell Opz and then he will say so in thread so you remain safe. Medics need to claim so more coordination. Hatters need to claim for more coordination. There is no reason for anyone not to claim to Opz. | ||
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First off, I was wrong about LSB, I admit that. But he was acting really shady and just being wrong doesn't mean anything, as Meapak has shown. Furthormore, you admit "GC was acting so scummy we had no choice but to lynch him", and now you accuse me? Finally I was the one who told Barundar to post an analysis on annul, and I was the one who said we should think about whether lynching you or annul. And I, along with others, decided to lynch annul. Even though I had already said beforehand I felt he was a good lynch for the other day. Finally, maybe your (anger of me?) is impacting your reason, but there is no way there could have been 3 hits used on night 2 unless a vigi used it. And given that Opz is the only one who said it, then he is confirmed without a doubt. The IRC has been grand and helped generate discussion. Maybe if you'd actually join you'd see that. As for my fake claim, it was a great move. I ask anyone to say they were roleblocked, no one will(and if they do, we will find a mafia.) I have been roleblocked two nights in a row, and unless you seriously think mafia would roleblock either someone they would kill(so why roleblock) or themselves(for two nights? And how long would it have continued, in your theory, had opz not revealed me)? Now, why do you think Darth is a good lynch, Orgolove? | ||
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First off, I'd like to express my satisfaction to God that he made Brockett be inactive, as that helped us alot. Second off, I'd like to emphasize a certain point I had made earlier. You have to be active. In the course of 24 hours, only 5 posts had been made. I find this very disturbing to me. In fact, even though I have already admitted I fake claimed DT, I have been roleblocked for the third time in a row. I can gurantee you all no one has been roleblocked besides me for the past 3 days. Given the fact that Brockett is revealed to be mafia framer, we can now start to debate details relevant to him. For example, note how people have voted Brockett since Insanious started his crusade on him. 1.Insanious votes Brockett 2.LSB votes brockett 3.soulfire votes brockett 4.Why votes brockett 5.Jackal votes brockett 6.Bum votes LSB 7.Pandain votes LSB 8.GGQ votes Brockett 9.Wiggles votes Brockett. At this point is is 8(brockett) to 10(annul). Then Soulfire and Wiggles both unvote LSB and vote brockett. This doesn't directly incriminate Soulfire, because again, I myself(stupidly) tried to say LSB should be lynched. But since the vote was so close, it must be accounted for. Now, I am going to urge everyone to vote Soulfire because quite simply, he is hardcore lurking. I can't tell if he's town or mafia, but lurking CANNOT be accepted in this thread if town is going to win. That and in addition to my previous analysis of Soulfire, I am going to vote Soulfire until he starts to actively contribute. Remember Soulfire, your not a rock. Everyone has thoughts. On January 08 2011 09:39 Jackal58 wrote: I voted solely in the hopes of waking somebody up. Ok here goes. Pandain. He needs to go. I have no idea if he is red or blue. At this point it really makes no difference.This game has reached an impasse that is due mostly to his claim of being role blocked. No other blues are coming forward with info due in large part I believe to mistrust of Pandain. If we lynch Pandain and he flips blue then red no longer knows who to role block. A DT without info is useless any ways. If our medics have been protecting him then they can move on to others and perhaps we can get a scum tell from who is still around after night. If he flips red then I commend him for playing a masterful game to this point. But he has to go. All aboard the Pandain Pain Train!!!!!! WOO WOO!!!!!! Chugachugachuga Chugachugachuga. 1.Why would blues be mistrustful because of my fake claim....? They're claiming to Opz, who is 100% confirmed. 2.I'm not blue. I've already said that. 3.If, as you think, I am blue, why would you think that a DT dying is good because then mafia have to roleblock someone else. | ||
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On December 23 2010 11:48 flamewheel wrote: Roles Mafia Roleblocker Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. Moving on, what are your thoughts right now Jackal. What do you think about pressuring soulfire, and my response to your concerns? Who do you think is pro town and who else is suspicious? | ||
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seriously, people need to post. soulfire isn't posting like he said he would, i'd like to see mango make another big post, ilovejonn has been on the lurking-bored townie edge for a while now. | ||
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Here are who I think we should lynch: Soulfire IloveJonn Mr. Zergling. I'm pretty sure at least 2 scum are on here. We have two lynches. Right now we need to be debating which of these to hit. Even though I've been off in my guesses, I'm one of the few remaining active townies. Therefore, along with Opz, it is likely I will get hit tonight. Hopefully I will get roleblocked too. So if I die, lynch those people. Kk? Who Is pro town: Shockkey(most likely) Way too eager to get me killed, and with pretty bad reasons. Why: Long posts abound, has been contributing. Barundar: Same as why but even more active. After going through those people, the next people on the list should be in this order: D3 Orgolove Mango Jackal Barundar. Unless something new pops up. | ||
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Mango seems to me just a bored/new townie. He's uncomfortable with the online format, and has even told me several times he's just chillaxing cause he's pretty confused. I do think he is suspicious, but think IloveJonn/d3 would be a far better choice to lynch. There are a number of reasons why I think theMango is town, or at least why Ilovejonn/d3 are better lynches. 1.Mango has at least posted with decent content. He posts, and doesn't try to act like he's contributing really. He posts short things with short content. Mafia usually want to act like they're at least being pretty contributive. This is why d3 is suspicious. He's posted pretty long things, but they're all either repeats of what someone else said, about the format of the game, or after I force him to post. 2.Mango pmed me several times, on his own. Usually mafia don't want to be the one contributing, they want to just sit back and let the town not talk for 24 hours. On January 12 2011 21:04 Jackal58 wrote: Mango is red. I've been saying it for a week. I wouldn't mind lynching our DT either. What a useless pos. Posts like this are the suspicious posts. First of all, why would you want to lynch our DT, at all!! Second of all, he just says "ya, mango is red" without saying anything about it. This is why Jackal is now suspicious to me. I agree with soulfire, but will be voting D_3 for the second lynch. | ||
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But I was also right on many things. I thought annul was red, and got him lynched. And really, when almost everyone has backed me/been with me with these lynches(see irc chats for example for how we collectively made the decisions), how can you say that this proves I'm mafia? I admit I haven't been playing very well. It seems I have been much better at figuring out whos pro town rather than whos mafia. And really that makes since in the long run. But while everyone else sits back, and lets the day go by, I generate new discussion. I actively analyze people. I take time out of my day to go through the posts of a specific person and post my feelings on them. And if you don't think thats pro town then I don't know what your thought process is. Me and Barundar had formed a town circle, whilst Brockett tried to cast doubt on it. Brockett, the mafia framer. I made a new IRC chat, and that chat helped with the town and helped generate discussion. I have been actively pming people, asking for their thoughts. I want to hear why I'm mafia other than "his votes have been off." | ||
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On January 08 2011 09:39 Jackal58 wrote: I voted solely in the hopes of waking somebody up. Ok here goes. Pandain. He needs to go. I have no idea if he is red or blue. At this point it really makes no difference.This game has reached an impasse that is due mostly to his claim of being role blocked. No other blues are coming forward with info due in large part I believe to mistrust of Pandain. If we lynch Pandain and he flips blue then red no longer knows who to role block. A DT without info is useless any ways. If our medics have been protecting him then they can move on to others and perhaps we can get a scum tell from who is still around after night. If he flips red then I commend him for playing a masterful game to this point. But he has to go. All aboard the Pandain Pain Train!!!!!! WOO WOO!!!!!! Chugachugachuga Chugachugachuga. He's saying lynch a DT(he was under the impression I was dt, hey, mafia thought so too. coincidence?). But really, LYNCH A DT? He said "now we don't have to protect him. Plus he's useless". Theres a reason why medics would've protected dts! On January 13 2011 10:38 Soulfire wrote: Voting for TheMango and Pandain off of a hunch; On January 13 2011 08:06 TheMango wrote: voting Jackal58 and Pandain. Don't think both are mafia, but one is bound to be imo, and I have no idea who's mafia at this point. If we can vote off one mafia this day, it's a win for town. Does anyone not see what's happening here....??? | ||
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On January 13 2011 22:12 Jackal58 wrote: My vote for Soulfire and TheMango was just to see which of them Pandain was going to attempt to divert the vote from. You could well be right about Orgolove. I could be right about Pandain. I sent Orgolove a PM yesterday regarding Paindains seemingly uncanny ability to switch the vote. It was sent to see if Pandain and Orgolove were talking to each other. At this point it does not appear that they are. Pandain did exactly what I expected him to do. If he and Orgo are both red I think they would both probably have switched up the vote to me. But it appears they are both aligned differently. I cannot say with any certainty which one is Red but one of them is. I think if we lynch them both today we will reduce reds kp and at the least extend the game through another day cycle that will allow one of our dts to claim and tell us who the remaining 2 mafia are. On that basis I am going to vote Orgolove and Pandain for lynch today. There are several things wrong with this paragraph. For one, why do you think that out of orgo and me one of us has to be red? You never responded to when I rebutted your "argument" against me(which was really just "lets lynch the dt so mafia don't have to shoot him."). I want you to respond to this. Why do you think out of us two one of us has to be red, and why don't you think the other people are better lynches? | ||
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We already know why soulfire, but D3 for some strange reason is staying out of the limelight. He fits perfectly the role of a mafia, those who "contribute without really contributing." Like this post: On December 28 2010 04:31 d3_crescentia wrote: It doesn't really matter that the person is afk; that's why the day cycles are so long. What we especially have to watch out for is if everyone is *too complacent* in letting the target die. If there isn't adequate discussion that's been generated then we KNOW we haven't picked someone important. With that said I think I'd like to suggest something I was thinking of in my last game: every person take a look at the posts of the person below you on the page 1 list and post an analysis of said person on Day 3. That should give us enough time to accumulate a good amount of analysis. If said person is up for the chopping block then post what you have sooner than later. I think player death shouldn't cause too many problems with this plan and it should help newer players participate. Says that everyone should analyze someone, then doesn't analyze ANYONE in the game whatsover. In addition, just gives some "we should watch out if this happens" info. Rather than talking about the game itself. On December 28 2010 22:59 d3_crescentia wrote: WOW way to not read the post, since his COMMENTS blue. This is exactly the kind of stupid crap that gets you killed. Comments on Node's analysis of LunarDestiny: undecided is not an acceptable conclusion. Quite frankly I don't understand why you would post an analysis if you're just going to waffle around the steps to action; at least lay an FoS or something. I honestly don't think there's any benefit to doing analysis this early in the game from mafia to mafia teammate at this point in time, but leaving it so ambiguous doesn't really present a solid case. As for LD himself, I find myself disagreeing with a lot of his posts thus far, so I'll follow the logical conclusion of the analysis and FoS LunarDestiny. Disagreeing with the conclusion of a analysis rather than actually talking about the analysis itself. Also gives the "Fos" on LD without really any support. On December 29 2010 22:18 d3_crescentia wrote: Got back late last night from my super-long day, so I'm catching up on the thread this morning. I'll also be gone for a good extended portion of today and Thursday will be a normal work day for me, so as it stands my posting will be kind of limited until Thursday night or so. Apologies to everyone as I haven't been keeping up as much as I'd like since game started. I'm looking at the Day 1 vote lists and trying to figure out how the Pandain vote dissipated so quickly (presumably sidetracked by the LSB/annul debate). My original qualms with Pandain lie entirely with his initial post as he ENTIRELY neglects the role of the framer in his advice (thus making it terrible advice for ANY townie to follow), so I'll have to go back and see what he's posted thus far makes up for that. A pure nothing post. Says he's sorry for not contributing, says he's going to see how Pandain has developed. But doesn't actually comment on that itself, just says he's going to do it. Plus, just because I didn't talk about the framer(didn't think its that important) doesn't mean the advice is terrible. It's stuff like this that makes me suspicious of d3. Rather than actually analyzing people/giving his thoughts, he just comments on side things or avoids the main topic. For example right now he's been basically absent today. | ||
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On January 14 2011 04:53 Jackal58 wrote: How many times are you gonna claim DT? I think you are forgetting which lies you told when. I already explained it to you. You are either red or extremely poor at picking lynch targets. Neither is a loss to town. At this point its LYLO unless a medic protection happens or we have 4 vets and one gets hit. Neither one is likely At this point every lynch matters. If you think I'm mafia you think: 1.Mafia have been roleblocking themselves/people they have killed since day 2, neither of which option makes sense. 2.I got my own godfather lynched. 3.I correctly pointed out a list of pro town people 4.I argued for the confirmation of Opz and argued for people to role claim to him | ||
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On January 14 2011 05:04 flamewheel wrote: Vote Tally for Day 6 Double Lynch Soulfire (4): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn, Pandain Mr.Zergling (2): why, ShoCkeyy TheMango (4): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn, Soulfire Pandain (4): Jackal58, ShoCkeyy, TheMango, Soulfire Jackal58 (1): TheMango d3_crescentia (1): Pandain ilovejonn (1): why orgolove (1): Jackal58 d3_crescentia needs to post and make his two votes. You have 6 hours and 56 minutes. The people I do not trust right now are soulfire, zergling, ilovejonn, and somewhat orgolove/jackal(both equal in the latter.) Looking at the votes for mango and soulfire leads me to believe that Mango and perhaps even soulfire are innocent. Look at that. Zergling, orgo, and Ilovejonn ALL voted for mango/soulfire. I'm unsure what to think about soulfire. Part of me thinks hes mafia and they're content to let him die/try to push the lynch onto me. Part of me thinks he's just really really inactive(as in needs to contribute ALOT more.) I do think soulfire is a good lynch.... But also think the fact that three people I suspect are voting for him worries me even more. You know what else is funny about Ilovejonn? He has never voted for a double lynch. He has hardly analyzed anyone. He, even more than d3, fits the profile of "contributing without really contributing." I do think soulfire is scummy, and advocate him to be lynched tommorow. However, I am now entering up to debate whether D3 or soulfire should be lynched. If you think mango is mafia, btw, then you think that the town(or most likely) is: zergling soulfire orgo ilovejonn All of who should be suspicious to you. So, what do you think? | ||
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Mango is town, that's pretty much obvious with the way the voting has went and in addition the fact that as I have said, just because your wrong does NOT mean your mafia. Anyone who doesn't give a reason why they aren't doing the above state so in thread. | ||
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On January 14 2011 06:51 Jackal58 wrote: D3 is probably going to be mod killed? then vote soulfire instead of voting for me because "I'm not 100% right", when noone else has either. | ||
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Ilovejonn d3_crecentia Mr. Zergling Jackal Soulfire(originally) All of these people voted mango/soulfire. Unless you think that out of the remaining 4(mango, me, why, and shockkey) lie 1 or even 2 or the mafia, it's obvious that mango and soulfire are being bandwagoned. Right now we have the clearest evidence of mafia. They WANT us to lynch mango/soulfire. Right now, lynching Ilovejonn and d3 is the safest choice by far. Everyone should unvote and vote those ASAP. | ||
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last hour people, lets make it count. | ||
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The fact that mafia don't want to change the bandwagon just proves all the more that we're lynching townies. | ||
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On January 14 2011 11:34 Jackal58 wrote: I've been kicking this around for the last few hours. I believe we have all made a fatal error. Night KP doesn't add up. It has remained at 2. Night 1 was 3 kills but one of those was Op Z. If we started at 6 and are now at 3 it would seem that their kp should have dropped to 1 on night 5. But it hasn't. Nobody has claimed protection so it seems to me we not only have no DTs but no Docs as well. But the really scary part is there are 5 mafia left. Not 3. No mafia kp went down. Opz didn't hit night one. And there aren't 5 mafia left. They would've already won. How bout you join irc/don't vote for the obvious bandwagons. | ||
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On January 14 2011 05:04 flamewheel wrote: Vote Tally for Day 6 Double Lynch Soulfire (5): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn, Jackal, D3 Mr.Zergling (2): why, ShoCkeyy TheMango (4): Mr.Zergling, orgolove, ilovejonn,Jackal Pandain (2): ShoCkeyy, TheMango, Jackal58 (1): TheMango d3_crescentia (2): Pandain, Soulfire ilovejonn (3): why, Pandain, d3 orgolove (1): ,Soulfire Updated Ilovejonn only needs one vote/one unvote for mango Cmon orgo/zerglin/jackal. Do it. | ||
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i played so horrible | ||
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On December 23 2010 11:48 flamewheel wrote: Player Roster 6. TheMango 7. Mr.Zergling 8. why 9. Jackal58 15. ShoCkeyy 20. Pandain 24. d3_crescentia Assuming 3 mafia and 4 town, then through process of elimination I believe I can pinpoint at least 2 of the mafia. Why is pro town: He has been contributing, actively, and made long posts. Shockkey is way too brash and insistent upon getting me lynched to be mafia. I'm town. It's possible jackal is mafia, but he would have to be playing really really poorly, or just, more likely,a not ideal townie. From his 'let's lynch a dt"(mafia wouldn't have said that just like that) to his revealing of secret "plans" to me9which usually only town would do), it just seems to me jackal is more likely town. So mango, zergling, and d3 are left. If we survive, lynch them tommorow. | ||
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Pandain
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Even though I've played really horribly this game, I still feel like I've learned much more from this game than any other, mostly because of the bootcamp. I'd greatly like to thank: Ver,Incognito,BC,Flamewheel,Qatol,and especially Foolishness. If there was anyone else I'm sorry I forgot. On January 17 2011 12:57 Mr.Zergling wrote: Lying as town only hurts the town.... I'm looking at you pandain I disagree. I still feel like that was a good move. If there had been any actual blue roles, then they would've been getting confirmed/doing their actions safely. In fact I thought we were sure to win, since I thought there would probably be like 2 dts, each of them having confirmed a person each night while I got roleblocked. | ||
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Thanks for the explanation. This was actually one of the many problems I had this game. In this game it seemed the mafia were more active than the town, or at least more contributive. -.- | ||
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So I have a question to post to everyone: Who is more suspicious: 1.Those who don't contribute. 2.Those who try to contribute but are just really really bad at it. 3.Those who try to contribute but it doesn't really say much. Cause all 3 look suspicious to me. Obviously now in retrospective it seems #3 is the obvious choice, but at the time, was there anything distinguishing why/d3 from the others? Especially why, I thought he was surely pro town. On January 17 2011 13:12 Coagulation wrote: LOL who the fuck listens to pandain??? Thanks Coag. It's nice to know you always got my back. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:22 LSB wrote: The puprose of the game was to have a few smart/active people in the town be able to stay alive longer by making them veterans. However, this was foiled as one person was lynched, one person was shot by the town, and the third gave up in frustration. To be fair alot of the "veterans" really didn't do much :p. You were REALLY scummy day 1, and while I was really retarded in wanting to get you lynched so soon(but that just shows how scummy you were), your defense was pretty abysmal and your whole "Oh, I'm going to be confirmed, but I can't tell you guys!" just screamed scum. RoL did actually help but then got double shot. But seriously, that was one of the major mistakes. I told Opz NOT to hit RoL, I told him to hit darth. And then he shoots RoL. Why did you do that btw Opz? Impervious was decent, at least he wasn't as retarded as me. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:28 LSB wrote: I wasn't scummy at all, Annul yelled a bunch of things that were not true and people didn't bother to actually read any posts at all and went with the "Hey, apparently omgus is a scumtell, so lets go with that" Actually the reasons I were suspicious of you weren't really even Annul. I thought Annul had explained it pretty poorly. There were a number of things you had done: 1.Your pms with me. You had this whole "I knew annul would accuse me, hoping no one would read it, because I never defend" which was just REALLY far fetched. 2.Nitpicking at small details. 3.Super defensiveness, which even u said was out of your norm. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179009¤tpage=25#486 There was my analysis | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:39 LSB wrote: You're a bit naive about PMs, and it actually hurts your game First rule about PMs, don't ask for trust. Second rule about PMs, don't give trust Superdefensiveness? That something that Annul made up, go read the posts My PMs weren't about trust. I'm talking specifically on our pms, in which you had this whole far fetched theories which seemed like you were just grasping at straws. As for PMs in general, there's no reason not to share as long as it isn't your role or someone's elses. And again, when I say super defensiveness, I just mean for you. Usually, as you said, you just let it go by. You said "Oh, it was just so horrible I had to respond," but it really wasn't that bad of an analysis. Just to make this clear, I'm not saying you played poorly. Not at all. (How could I make judgement on that ). I'm just pointing out you were really scummy day 1. | ||
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On January 17 2011 13:49 LSB wrote: Not my fault that they were actually completly true And about trust, you screaming OMG CLAIM TO ME! Didn't really help your case uhh, the analysis sucks. Go read it Well we can ask. Annul, is this true in what you did? If so, I bow down to your knowledge of psychology LSB. 1. Annul Hosts Harry Potter Mafia. Figures that I ignore analysis 2. Annul is Mafia in XXXV 3. Annul decides he's going to pretend to be active by making a large analysis. So he picks someone that probably isn't going to respond. He picks me. As for you claiming, yes it could seem scummy, but again, it was because I was about to do a huge analysis on you, going to get you lynched, so wanted to know if you were a dt/what was your plan. Cause face it, that WAS suspicious, you can't deny that. And again, it wasn't THAT bad of an analysis. | ||
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On January 17 2011 14:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: . Pandain really screwed the town with his claim. !!!! I still don't see how in the least bit that hurt the town. At the most it made me seem more suspicious, but that's it. | ||
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