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On December 01 2010 12:06 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:42 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 11:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
A voice from the heavens speaks.
On the first night, thou may speak the truth or thou may lie. Your role may be revealed, the documents can not.
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted.
"Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Someone got caught speeding in a car.
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia?
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house
all fear or love the hammer Also, note that we've gained two more descriptions that seem to be exclusive from the previous list. - Someone got caught speeding in a car.
- A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why.
Neither of these roles seem to indicate a Vote Blocker. On December 01 2010 11:09 orgolove wrote:
Look, one way or another, we'll get short "descriptions" of each role eventually. And then, if I think up a bullshit role that somehow doesn't have a matching description, I've immediately painted myself a big fat lynch target. Why would I do something so risky like that unless I, you know, actually got that sort of PM?
The number of attacks directed at my "reveal" really strongly hints that this has got to be a red role. Does this make you a "big fat lynch target" now? Again. Why the >hell< would I lie about something that could be so easily disproven? As you've noticed right now, DrH has been consistently providing role hints throughout the day. A red wouldn't pull such an attention onto himself by claiming something that could easily be disregarded before even the first day ended. If you don't notice a vote nullifier in the list, it just means DrH has hidden the clue well enough to confuse you.
Well, at the moment, there really isn't enough to go on for anyone to get lynched. This is a difficult game because there is no deadline for a lynch. Without time pressure, it's easy for mafia to hide amongst the town. It's in our best interest to apply pressure to everyone so that they'll explain themselves adequately.
Anyway, the other person on my list is SouthRawrea. I posted this before but I'm doing again.
On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote:I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote:
Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote:No please do split up your votes  Main points: - NO content.
- Vote without an accompanying explanation.
- Expresses satisfaction with lack of town coordination. (I hope this one is a joke.)
I'm going to stick with my vote on orgolove. However, we need to apply pressure to players who are not contributing.
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On December 01 2010 14:54 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 11:54 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 11:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The system is corrupt.
And i think that is a hint for every role. If this is a hint for EVERY role, then we will stand to benefit if we decipher this statement. I tried comparing it to my role PM and I can't see any patterns. Any other ideas? Not worth the time or effort. I'm all for lynching you because you think it would be useful to spend time decipering every role in the game. That will take time away from scum hunting. Not useful.
I did not suggest that we spend all of our time deciphering clues. I know you just joined the game and need to catch up but until you do, don't just respond to the last things that have happened.
Here are some of the major points so far:
- DrH has not provided us with a role list.
- He is feeding us clues that are significant. They seem to be hinting at our roles.
- Among the latest clues, he left a cryptic message and said that it was a hint for EVERY role.
Think about what that means. If we don't have a complete role list, then mafia can just make up roles and fit in. It should be clear to anyone that keeping track of DrH's clues benefits the town.
Next, the clue that I was referring to in that post you quoted specifically states that "And i think that is a hint for every role." The keyword here is EVERY. THAT INCLUDES MAFIA ROLES.
If YOU think that trying to figure out the capabilities of the mafia is "Not worth the time or effort" then you either haven't put enough thought into the game or you're trying to make sure that any information about important roles stay hidden.
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So we know that DrH has given us clues to every role. I'm going to continue the list that deconduo started with the latest clues:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Brain Surgeon?
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
There are a few roles that I haven't figured out yet. Also, from this list, I don't know which roles are likely to be anti-town. Any thoughts?
As has been previously mentioned in the thread, one of these roles is supposed to be a Vote Nullifier. I don't see that in this list so I've probably missed a clue.
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On December 01 2010 15:27 Fishball wrote:
I like how the OP says there are no clues, but then there are "hints".
On December 01 2010 15:34 Fishball wrote:
I personally think this stuff should be clarified in the beginning.
Clues refer to information pointing to a person's profile or username such as those provided in Haunted.
Hints are used all the time in Mafia games to explain which players are responsible for certain actions. Typically they come in the Day/Night posts but as the host, DrH has creative license to carry out his game any way he pleases.
Also, it's much better for the Town to know what the mafia is capable of. It's frustrating to try and remind other players not to make assumptions and underestimate the mafia.
Setups like that lead to Godfathers claiming to be able to sift through your trash.
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On December 01 2010 15:42 Node wrote:
Considering how DrH has hinted at just how nuts some of his roles are, I think it's pretty silly to presume what their capabilities and limitations might be. Remember also that Coagulation has also hinted at some kind of town circle role and deconduo intends to roleclaim tomorrow. We may be able to come up with some basic "archetypes" (doctor, detective) but I'm not about to base any decisions on what may or may not exist in this game.
Well, Coagulation could be explained as a Mason which someone suggested was the "man in the black hood."
Oh, I just got an idea.
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I had a plan to try and fill out our list, but I just asked DrH about it via PM and he said that my plan is too close to roleclaiming to be legal. Basically, my plan was for us to say whether or not our clue was in the list and if the guess about our role was correct or not. We would not say which clue nor would we be revealing what our actual role was. This was an attempt to reduce the amount of possible defenses that the mafia could try to use and also flesh out our list of roles.
On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc.
On December 01 2010 15:39 orgolove wrote:
I thought it's a controllable role, but the role hints don't say much about that. the word corruption was definitely there though - I thought it meant things like embezzlement, typical mafia shit, so I didn't think it was important.
I'm trying to fit it in with the clues. Maybe 'corruption' is related to the clue about the epidemic? Both words can be applied to decay.
If not, then that means our list is either incomplete or a role has been incorrectly assigned.
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On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Also no personal attacks. Annul and kingjames01 if you have a beef, drop it because I can tell you right now it's BS. This is a forum game of zero significance and I consider you both smart fellows and decent mafia players. This is the attitude that ruins mafia games.
I'd also like to apologize for being a hypocrite. I've been rude to a lot of players and especially when I'm mafia I've tried to win the game by alienating other players and intimiating townies with condescension. I think there is a forum wide effort to recruit more newbies so I think everyone needs to cool their jets for the next few games. You need thick skin to play mafia but when feelings are hurt there is a problem.
So I'm sorry to everyone I've personally offended or made feel inadequate. You can always feel free to PM me for advice/friendly talk about how to improve. I have more advice for mafia players than town though, for sure.
This isn't an extremely serious game so I don't mind saying it here. Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest.
I agree that there is no place for personal attacks in a Mafia game.
I think that the onus is on each player to clean up their language. Insinuating that someone is stupid because they don't agree with you is wrong. I do not enjoy seeing posts with "Are you stupid/retarded/a little moron/a douche/other variant of idiot" even if they're not directed towards me. It detracts from the argument and only serves to make the poster appear foolish.
My comment then is I hope that hosts/mods will do their part to make sure that Mafia is a safe environment for players, new or experienced. If we wanted to face personal attacks, we'd be laddering.
+ Show Spoiler +hehe... Also, you said dick.
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On December 01 2010 22:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 15:38 orgolove wrote:
Sighhh
The PM mentioned that my vote was lost due to corruption, and I'm forced to choose someone else. Perhaps it's not a direct role of vote nullification, but something like "one random vote vs a mafia member is changed" etc. How bout this KJ: I believe "The system is corrupt" was a clue. Dr.H then said (or at least meant to say) "I think I have given a clue for each role. This being a clue would certainly explain orgo.
On December 02 2010 01:22 annul wrote:
the corruption clue (if he is being honest) was written in all 4 colors, making me think it is a random effect and does not signal town or mafia or blue or miller. makes me think it is a random effect that happens.
So, the word "corrupt" appears in both the PM and in DrH's clue. That cannot be a coincidence so we've discovered the Vote Nullifier.
The Vote Nullifier is DoctorHelvetica. As the mod, he is aligned with all colours and with none. He probably chooses a random voter and loses their vote as orgolove has described.
However, we cannot discount the fact that he says "The system is corrupt" and "I'm rooting for mafia" in the same post.
So, here's an updated list of roles:
Someone has a spirit inside them waiting to come out. (1)
Ability activated upon death.
Somebody fell in love.
Somebody has been born anew with the power of love. (2, maybe 3)
Lovers
A child is playing in the yard. (4)
Innocent Child
A man with a black hood stands in an alley.
The man in the black hood found his axe. (5)
Mason
Someone just got a pharmacology degree from Liquidia University.
Another student got his Pharmocology degree. (6,7)
Pharmacists/Nerfed Medics
A man begs in the street. (8)
Hobo?
Two men with a third eye, one tells the truth and the other lies (9,10)
Sane/Insane detective
Somewhere on a wall the words are spraypainted. "Sometimes the day is over before you think"
Sometimes the hammer strikes back and it almost struck evil (11)
Ability to end day early?
Someone got caught speeding in a car. (12)
Speeder?
A guy has brains on his mind but doesn't know why. (13)
Zombie
Repetition the new epidemic of Liquidia? (14)
Possibly a disease carrier, a la Insane.
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (15)
?
I'm not sure if this is the same person as number 11, but they both refer to a hammer. If so, then I'm missing a clue.
The system is corrupt. (16)
The jerk Riddler/Nullifier
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Well, if we're going to start discussing Southrawrea, I'll repost my comments on him.
On December 01 2010 08:19 kingjames01 wrote:I've been going through each person's posts looking for suspicious activity or lack of activity. SouthRawrea only has 4 posts. Let's take a look: Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 07:07 SouthRawrea wrote:
Abstains aloud?
[Vote]##Coagulation Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 11:06 SouthRawrea wrote:
Black hood guy-> Mason?
Axe -> George Washington?
George Washington = Mason Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 07:10 SouthRawrea wrote:No please do split up your votes Main points: - NO content.
- Vote without an accompanying explanation.
- Expresses satisfaction with lack of town coordination. (I hope this one is a joke.)
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On December 02 2010 05:19 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2010 16:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia is a game of deception and misinformation not an intellectual dick measuring contest. shame it isn't a physical dick measuring contest, because if it were, i'd always win.
Are you trying to show us that you're good at deception and misinformation?
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On December 02 2010 05:20 annul wrote:
ps southrawrea is fine and all to lynch but really hit up fishball how can you let him go after this crap
I'm not clear on the Fishball issue. Can you elaborate?
I know that there was a vote switched off of him but I think that was a random action by DrH.
I don't like the reasons that he gives for things, "I want to", but that doesn't make him scum. What else did I miss?
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On December 02 2010 05:33 Barundar wrote:
I'm as sure as I can be on Aidnai, and Pandains defence into silence when called out, only confirms him to me.
Fishballs posts are pretty spammy and random, and SouthRawrea is a total goner, so they are both valuable targets. If town can’t decide on anything I could vote for them, but will you please have a look at RoL’s analyse of Aidnai’s posts first?
Bedtime.
In your post, you've just named 3 suspects.
Spammy and random posts doesn't make someone mafia. Refer to Glasse, and Coagulation's recent games for examples. Until something more substantial is revealed about Fishball you cannot conclude that he is mafia.
You could take RoL's analysis of aidnai and replace his name with most of the other players in this game and the conclusion would be the same. Pandain is just trying to remind everyone of that fact. It could have easily been you Barundar that RoL chose. Would you then be as sure as could be?
SouthRawrea is inactive but it doesn't mean that he is mafia. However, if he is, we need to put pressure on him so that he has a chance to slip up. It is unfair that the rest of us are putting in an investment into a game where one of the players does not participate. This is especially true for a game where Day phases do not change without a majority vote.
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On December 02 2010 05:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 05:27 Coagulation wrote:
im pretty sure that fishballs role requires him to get lynched. Doc said there are no village idiot roles
On December 02 2010 05:43 Coagulation wrote:
i think he was implying that there are no roles that end the game if you get lynched.
unlynchables that have activated powers upon lynch is different.
So, Fishball is the spirit clue then? Interesting. Well, if he wants to get lynched, he needs to give us a really good reason to waste it on him. We should be using our lynches on mafia.
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On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us...
When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this:
On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~!
When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this:
On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly.
On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB!
These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it.
Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending?
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On December 02 2010 06:54 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:51 kingjames01 wrote:On December 02 2010 06:38 LSB wrote:
A teacher and a preacher, a mouse and a house all fear or love the hammer (13, 14,15)
? Is this actually the mafia, there are 4 people though... It could refer to the house as something, like the mafia hideout, rather than a actual player
I can't figure out if you're intentionally misleading us... When RoL was replaced by ~OpZ~, DrH said this: On December 01 2010 10:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
If I am correct, ~OpZ~ is replacing RoL. Say hi OpZ~! When Pandain was replaced by you, DrH said this: On December 02 2010 05:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Pandain is moving out, someone will be moving into his home shortly. On December 02 2010 06:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
LSB has moved in and taken Pandain's job and house. Say hi LSB! These both refer to a house. It's interesting but definitely not a coincidence. Then you come along and pretend that the last clue is actually 4 people and you don't know anything about it. Did you really not receive your role PM yet? Or are you pretending? I can defiantly say that Pandain does not have a home. He left me all alone on the streets.
So are you the hobo?
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Oh, I must have forgotten to change my vote!
##Unvote orgolove
##Vote Southrawrea
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That was a baad joke, you should feel very sheepish!
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On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town.
From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night.
Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight?
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On December 02 2010 12:06 Barundar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 11:20 kingjames01 wrote:On December 01 2010 18:32 Barundar wrote:
I hope a medic would consider protecting me night 1. I was the first snipe night 1 in the Salem game, but back then I was just a townie. Here I can actually be of use to the town. From the role list, the closest thing we have to a Doctor/Medic is a Pharmacist/Nerfed Medic. We don't even know if you can be protected the first night. Explain why you think you are worth protecting and what you have done that would make you a target tonight? I was the only one who stuck with Aidnai, and kept arguing for him after RoL left. Makes me an obvious target, like in Salem mafia. Also I claim detective (of a sort). I'm dissapointed you didn
This assumes that you were right. If you were wrong, then you wouldn't be 'an obvious target.'
As a detective, though, you are definitely entitled to protection. From the clues however, we've deduced that one detective is sane and one is not. We need to coordinate a plan so that we can trust your checks.
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You hinted that your DT role is different. Based on your role PM, do you think that this following scenario could work?
- The other DT announces himself.
- You check him.
- He checks you.
- You both compare your results in the morning.
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