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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 18 2010 08:07 GMT
#1181
COUNT FASTER BITCH.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 08:54:59
December 18 2010 08:50 GMT
#1182
Welcome to Night 3.

The citizels of Hogsmeade were at a crossroads today. Their efforts to contain the threat posed by Voldemort and his team of death eaters have thusfar failed. They needed to find one and they needed to do it fast. The game was nearly over for them had they not.

The town decided that tonight, at 7 PM, they would take up wands and torches and march on their next target's house. "PANDAIN!" shouted half the town. "DOCTORHELVETICA!" shouted the other half of town. As the town began to get ready to ride, neither side knew whose house they were going to assault. They figured that as they geared up and got ready to fly, they would all collectively decide between the two front-runners.

The initial town mob gathered at its normal meeting place at the central fountain. As it rolled out, it stopped at every citizen's house, knocking on the doors, telling the other citizens it was time to go, time to ride and time to kill death eaters. It passed most houses without a problem, but this was not true for them all.

As the mob knocked on Kenpachi's door, they heard no answer. "COME ON, it's time to go," they shouted! There was nothing, no reply at all. The mob, furious, bust down the door. In they saw Kenpachi sitting across from her tarot cards. The town mob thought, "well, if she is not ready to go, she must not be willing to risk lynching a death eater, which means she must be a death eater too!"

"KILL HER," shouted one person in the mob. NotAnnul the tour guide gladly obliged.

The mob continued their path until they found ilovejonn's house similarly nonresponsive. In they went. When they entered, they found... nothing. Nobody was there, at all. It was just an art gallery in the commercial district of the city. The mob was confused, not knowing what to do. "FUCK IT, burn the place down," shouted the same voice from earlier. NotAnnul the tour guide took his torch and lit the place on fire. All those precious paintings would be no more.

The town mob, incensed by the insolence of the two who would not accompany them to their intended lynch target, rapidly argued amongst each other who to kill tonight. They argued to the bitter end of their journey, but as fate would have it, the mob, torn between Pandain and DoctorHelvetica,
reached Pandain's house first.

They entered the Forbidden Forest where they found multiple sets of hoofprints. They followed these tracks to a glade where Pandain would be found. As the mob drew their wands and cast the harshest curses they could muster, Pandain shouted to them, "I knew you'd be here. I saw it coming." It was too late. Down he went.


* * * * *

Pandain the Firenze is dead.

+ Show Spoiler +
you are Firenze!

you taught divination when hogwarts needed you. you are pro at that shit

therefore once a night you can divine which abilities, if any, a given player has. note that commonly "mafia" abilities do not always signify mafia

win with town


Kenpachi the Sibyl Trelawney has been mod killed.

+ Show Spoiler +
you are Sibyl Trelawney!

you are pro at divination!

at night you can divine the wizarding name of a player of your choice.

win with town


ilovejonn the Violet has been mod killed.

+ Show Spoiler +
you are Violet

you win with town


* * * * *

It is Night 3. Night will end at 7 PM EST on Saturday, December 18 IF all night actions are received by then; otherwise it will end when all night actions are received, but no later than 7 PM EST on Sunday, December 19.

As of night 3, there are 7 living players aligned with the death eaters, the death eaters control 3 KP (2 + 1), and there are 4 living players with alternative win conditions in the game.
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 18 2010 08:53 GMT
#1183
oh no
Bartundar
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
December 18 2010 09:00 GMT
#1184
Ok What the fuck?

First of all, why did ilovejonn die?
Is it because he had a placeholder role when voting ended?
So that means that his vote on Pandain didn't count?

Second of all, shouldn't DrH have won the vote tally?
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
December 18 2010 09:02 GMT
#1185
/facepalm
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
December 18 2010 09:08 GMT
#1186
pandain and drh both had 6.

pandain got to 6 first.
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 18 2010 09:44 GMT
#1187
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 09:51 GMT
#1188
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

So I'm FoS'd for defending our DT and protecting the other one right? Good logic.

Maybe we can lynch all those fake DT's who said I was red now.
RIP Aaliyah
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 18 2010 09:54 GMT
#1189
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

I don't think so. Neither Pandain nor DrH voted for each others, why would they do that if it could save them. My guess is Pandain checked DrH and confirmed him. If anything this proves to me I was wrong about Kitaman, he made it sound like both of them was scum...
Bartundar
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 09:56 GMT
#1190
On December 18 2010 18:54 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

I don't think so. Neither Pandain nor DrH voted for each others, why would they do that if it could save them. My guess is Pandain checked DrH and confirmed him. If anything this proves to me I was wrong about Kitaman, he made it sound like both of them was scum...

He checked me and he got a result pointing toward himself.

Mafia don't want me checked since that would confirm I am who I say I am, makes sense. He was redirected.

We should lynch Coagulation or Why tomorrow.
RIP Aaliyah
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 18 2010 09:57 GMT
#1191
Why those over Kitaman?
Bartundar
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 10:02 GMT
#1192
On December 18 2010 18:57 Barundar wrote:
Why those over Kitaman?

I'm still not 100% sure about Kitaman. He went through a lot to get me lynched. Since I am a very valuable player for the town I'm not surprised but I think he's just a tenacious blue.

It's funny how his case is about "catching me in lies" when he lied many times himself just to make me look bad. I think he just has a bad case, not a scummy one. His case assumes the other medic is telling the truth and that I am lying when both scenarios are equally likely. Unfortunately our name checker was modkilled so now he can't confirm me.

I mean he literally MADE UP that a DT checked me and I turned up red. That takes some serious cajones and if he is scum I applaud him for having such ballsy play. But somehow I don't think so.

When looking through his posts early on I concluded he was pretty decisively pro-town. The way he went after me in PMs was very town like as well. Look at the way scum accuse others of being scum in games like Salem and Insane, it's pretty different than the way Kitaman went about it (going through town circles, using blue roles to his advantage, confronting me in PMs)

But that doesn't mean it's impossible. Insane Mafia showed that mafia were willing to sacrifice a lot to get me killed. As soon as I died, town fell apart and seeing as I seem to account for most of the activity in this game (as usual) the same thing will happen again.
RIP Aaliyah
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
December 18 2010 10:05 GMT
#1193
Sigh I just feel really stupid.
Bartundar
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 18 2010 10:33 GMT
#1194
Sigh. After looking at the posts of people who died, one particularly strikes as really true.

By iloveJon:


I definitely suspect Pandain, but I also have my doubts on other players. Here's something about "why" that I made in the last hour or so.

why

On December 11 2010 12:57 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2010 12:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 11 2010 12:20 why wrote:
On December 11 2010 12:14 Mr.Zergling wrote:
I think LSB is making himself suspicious by proposing a 1st kill voting style that can be easily manipulated


I actually think this debacle has made LSB come out looking pretty town. there's no way he wouldn't have thought of these objections if he was mafia and he would have realized that no sane town would ever agree to them.

If we really want to have a private vote and have an auditor, we should have 5 or 6 of them, chosen by RNG, to really ensure there is at least one town among them. Or is that too paranoid?


Pure WIFOM. Of course everything WIFOM is possible, but it's really difficult to read into someone's intentions.


Good point. Sorry about that.

I like reasoned vote a lot. Of all of them I think that would result in the most discussion and more discussion is always better.

On December 14 2010 14:49 why wrote:
right, sorry I'm not used to this.

On December 14 2010 15:24 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 15:23 why wrote:
On December 14 2010 15:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 14 2010 15:18 orgolove wrote:
On December 14 2010 15:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, i have a question about the DT.

When a DT checks his target. Does he get the info that night? Or does he get it in the morning? If it returns in the morning, then LSB is lying about orgo killing RoL, because RoL wouldn't be able to tell LSB his result.

If he gets the result at night, then it's still not concrete on LSB.

annuuulllllllllllll


Exactly.Look at his words carefully and you can find countless holes.

And look at LSB's claims right now.

On December 14 2010 15:09 LSB wrote:
Okay, that makes things a lot easier.

1) I contribute to the death eater count. So basically I hold half a KP (like all other death eaters). So yes, I understand, lynching me reduces the same amount of KP as lynching orgolove.
2) Since Meapak is not harry, he must be lying about being blocked. There you go. Two mafia. This explains why RoL was hit
3) As long as I am alive, Harry is unkillable. Thats why you guys should try to keep me alive as long as possible.



Wow. So now he's claiming BOTH of us are lying? When he's have been scummy ALL GAME?

And how many roles is he claiming now? First he claimed to be a Mafia Traitor. Next he claimed to have tracker. Now he's also claiming that, on top of all his other abilities, he's now an advanced martyr.


Are all of you seriously believing this nonsense??


That didn't answer my question...

I've never played DT, so idk how it works. When does the DT get his check results back? :3


This is what annul said on page 25.

1. Substitution roles.
2. Protection roles
3. Investigation roles.
4. Non-standard kill roles.
5. Non-Voldemort standard mafia kills.
6. Voldemort's personal kill.


Nevermind misread question. Sorry.


Apologetic tone in most of his posts

Being cautious


On December 11 2010 16:06 why wrote:
All my Harry Potter knowledge has gotten me is that whoever is Colin Creevey probably has the sample "Camera Fanatic" power.

Speaking of which, anybody got any good ideas of in flavor power roles for the death eaters? It would be nice to have some idea of what they could be capable of.

On December 13 2010 06:39 why wrote:
If I recall correctly, Snape looked evil but was actually good. I could see him as a miller, but if he was he probably would have claimed already.

On December 13 2010 06:52 why wrote:
^ this makes imperious curse unlikely since there are 8 confirmed death eaters. I guess one of the death eaters could have polyjuice potion or something. But I don't think any of the death eater characters are specifically associated with polyjuice potion like barty crouch jr would have been.

On December 14 2010 15:23 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2010 15:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 14 2010 15:18 orgolove wrote:
On December 14 2010 15:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Ok, i have a question about the DT.

When a DT checks his target. Does he get the info that night? Or does he get it in the morning? If it returns in the morning, then LSB is lying about orgo killing RoL, because RoL wouldn't be able to tell LSB his result.

If he gets the result at night, then it's still not concrete on LSB.

annuuulllllllllllll


Exactly.Look at his words carefully and you can find countless holes.

And look at LSB's claims right now.

On December 14 2010 15:09 LSB wrote:
Okay, that makes things a lot easier.

1) I contribute to the death eater count. So basically I hold half a KP (like all other death eaters). So yes, I understand, lynching me reduces the same amount of KP as lynching orgolove.
2) Since Meapak is not harry, he must be lying about being blocked. There you go. Two mafia. This explains why RoL was hit
3) As long as I am alive, Harry is unkillable. Thats why you guys should try to keep me alive as long as possible.



Wow. So now he's claiming BOTH of us are lying? When he's have been scummy ALL GAME?

And how many roles is he claiming now? First he claimed to be a Mafia Traitor. Next he claimed to have tracker. Now he's also claiming that, on top of all his other abilities, he's now an advanced martyr.


Are all of you seriously believing this nonsense??


That didn't answer my question...

I've never played DT, so idk how it works. When does the DT get his check results back? :3


This is what annul said on page 25.

1. Substitution roles.
2. Protection roles
3. Investigation roles.
4. Non-standard kill roles.
5. Non-Voldemort standard mafia kills.
6. Voldemort's personal kill.

On December 16 2010 13:23 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2010 13:18 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 16 2010 13:04 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 16 2010 12:48 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 16 2010 12:41 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 16 2010 11:44 LunarDestiny wrote:
On December 16 2010 11:23 Kenpachi wrote:
Lunar is.. Padma Patil

I got annul's approval to claim. Yes, I am Padma Patil and my alternative winning condition I win if Parvati Patil wins.

Let me give the entirety of my winning condition:

I win if Parvati Patil, by any manner, wins.

I don't know how to interpret the last part. I did some research and Parvati is 100% town.

Well, lets get back to decide our next lynch.


Your claim makes no sense.

Why would your alternate win condition be: "I win if another town wins"

The only way this makes sense if one of the two of you are scum. Am I missing something?

Are you aware of your twins identity?


My winning condition is as it is stated. Interpret however you want.
Also, I don't know who my sister is.


Well how do you interpret it? What other way does it make sense unless one of you two are scum?


There are alternate win conditions. We know that when Beneather died, the alternate win count went down by 3. This suggested (to me) that there was a Ravenclaw shared victory (Mr. Zergling, as the 3rd member, is Roger Davies or Cho Chang). There could be a similar Gryffindor House alternate win condition that Lunar can share in (if the Gryffindor house has 3 members, this neatly makes 4 total alternate win conditions left), or Pavarti could have yet another alternate win.



IIOA (Information instead of analysis)
Players who speculate about the setup more than they ask for other players' reasoning and/or accuse other players of being scum are probably group scum.

On December 14 2010 10:46 why wrote:
(ps breadcrumb is when you fill your old posts with hints as to your role so you can confirm role-claim later, this is especially useful for mod-confirmed Masons )


This post doesn't make him sound like a new player at all. And then:

On December 14 2010 13:18 why wrote:
I think we need some other people's thoughts on whether it is a good idea to reveal or not. I'm too inexperienced to know how this typically shakes out.

Wants other people to help him decide on whether an idea is good or not using inexperience as an excuse. Reds usually like the opinion of the masses to help them confirm on things.

+he has a lot of role fishing posts, however he does claim that he is in gryffindor:
On December 16 2010 20:19 why wrote:
By the way, we can confirm (at least the characters of) 3 more people.

Cho Chang or Roger Davies (the one not in the Ravenclaw House) can confirm by saying they are in the Ravenclaw and having no one dispute them (there are 4 total Ravenclaws on the list, 3 are in the House).

There are 5 Gryffindor members on the player list (Harry Potter, Hermione, Colin Creevey, Angelina Johnson, and Pavarti Patil). 3 are in the house. The remaining 2 can claim to be part of the House and, if no one disputes, are confirmed.

Coincidentally, I am in Gryffindor.


But someone needs to back him up on that..

On December 17 2010 10:05 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2010 09:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why are we voting Kenpachi? I put a vote on him to see if he would talk but I think at this point it's obvious he is just bad. Don't lynch Kenpachi.

Why:
Extremely inactive
Claims Gryffindor despite Jcarls having a confirmed Gryffindor circle that he ISN'T part of

There isn't a strong lynch right now. I think the Death Eaters have been mostly silent. With the small amount of discussion that's happened in this thread I'm not surprised we have almost no lynch target.


To be clear, I am not claiming to be one of Jcarl's group. I am claiming to have a character that is Gryffindor that is NOT in Jcarl's group (there are 5 total Gryffindor members, 3 in Jcarl's group).


Again he is being very cautious here.



Considering that he's a confirmed townie, I can't help but think why just managed to get by under the radar while that fiasco with DrH and useless roleclaiming happened.
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
orgolove
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Vatican City State1650 Posts
December 18 2010 10:37 GMT
#1195
And Pandain, given that you had such an important position, you had a responsibility to the town to NOT ACT SO SCUMMY. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH YOU UGH in a game where there are no full detectives (I think), a role detective is such a huge asset to town... and you never even defended yourself vigorously. Sigh... to think I thought you were a decent player at first...
초대 갓, 이영호 | First God, Lee Young Ho
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 10:47:30
December 18 2010 10:47 GMT
#1196
please do not attack dead players' skill/etc directly who have no legal way of responding
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 18 2010 11:23 GMT
#1197
On December 18 2010 19:37 orgolove wrote:
And Pandain, given that you had such an important position, you had a responsibility to the town to NOT ACT SO SCUMMY. WHAT WAS WRONG WITH YOU UGH in a game where there are no full detectives (I think), a role detective is such a huge asset to town... and you never even defended yourself vigorously. Sigh... to think I thought you were a decent player at first...

???

He wasn't scummy at all.
RIP Aaliyah
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
December 18 2010 14:32 GMT
#1198
On December 18 2010 18:54 Barundar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

I don't think so. Neither Pandain nor DrH voted for each others, why would they do that if it could save them. My guess is Pandain checked DrH and confirmed him. If anything this proves to me I was wrong about Kitaman, he made it sound like both of them was scum...


You've got to be kidding me.

I 100% was pushing DrH. You were the one that tried to do a last minute switch over to the dt.

FoS Barundar
FoS CubEdIn

You promissed me your vote give that certain conditions were met and you went afk

FoS deconduo

Absent for the entire day
FoS ~OpZ~

And of course a big FoS DrH
Nevertheless, DrH dies at tomorrow's lynch. Vig hit would speed up the process.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
December 18 2010 15:08 GMT
#1199
On December 18 2010 23:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 18:54 Barundar wrote:
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

I don't think so. Neither Pandain nor DrH voted for each others, why would they do that if it could save them. My guess is Pandain checked DrH and confirmed him. If anything this proves to me I was wrong about Kitaman, he made it sound like both of them was scum...


You've got to be kidding me.

I 100% was pushing DrH. You were the one that tried to do a last minute switch over to the dt.

FoS Barundar
FoS CubEdIn

You promissed me your vote give that certain conditions were met and you went afk

FoS deconduo

Absent for the entire day
FoS ~OpZ~

And of course a big FoS DrH
Nevertheless, DrH dies at tomorrow's lynch. Vig hit would speed up the process.


You are being extremely fucking stupid. I promised you my vote? WTF? You are talking out of your hole.

+ Show Spoiler +

Original Message From kitaman27:
DrH posted in the thread he knew jcarl was town. There is your timeline.

Will you change your opinion of him now?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From deconduo:
Timelines. I bet he claimed well before jcarl said he was in the gryffindor house. If not, then I will change my opinion of him because that would be a really scummy thing to do.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message From kitaman27:
The problem is that he made the same claim to our mod-confirmed townie. What reason is there to deceive jcarl? It seems more like a move to gain his trust by medic claiming as an apparent noob. I guess you are entitled to your opinion

I'm not sure spreading the vote out to oroglove, node or tube helps focus the lynch though.


I said I would change my opinion on him. NOTHING about voting for him, or giving you my vote. Of course you were wrong/lying as well, the timelines did fit.


Last night DrH was DEFENDING pandain, even with his own ass on the line. You are telling me thats scum play? Clearly you need to learn how to play this game.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
December 18 2010 15:13 GMT
#1200
On December 19 2010 00:08 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 23:32 kitaman27 wrote:
On December 18 2010 18:54 Barundar wrote:
On December 18 2010 18:44 orgolove wrote:
Fuck, should've hit DrH FUCK

and we lost both detectives to inactivity? jesus christ Why the fuck did you two choose TODAY to be inactive

FUCK pandain and his scumminess. I hope you're happy. -_- your Yum Yum crap loses games.


FoS DrH. Now.

I don't think so. Neither Pandain nor DrH voted for each others, why would they do that if it could save them. My guess is Pandain checked DrH and confirmed him. If anything this proves to me I was wrong about Kitaman, he made it sound like both of them was scum...


You've got to be kidding me.

I 100% was pushing DrH. You were the one that tried to do a last minute switch over to the dt.

FoS Barundar
FoS CubEdIn

You promissed me your vote give that certain conditions were met and you went afk

FoS deconduo

Absent for the entire day
FoS ~OpZ~

And of course a big FoS DrH
Nevertheless, DrH dies at tomorrow's lynch. Vig hit would speed up the process.


You are being extremely fucking stupid. I promised you my vote? WTF? You are talking out of your hole.

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Original Message From kitaman27:
DrH posted in the thread he knew jcarl was town. There is your timeline.

Will you change your opinion of him now?

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Original Message From deconduo:
Timelines. I bet he claimed well before jcarl said he was in the gryffindor house. If not, then I will change my opinion of him because that would be a really scummy thing to do.

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Original Message From kitaman27:
The problem is that he made the same claim to our mod-confirmed townie. What reason is there to deceive jcarl? It seems more like a move to gain his trust by medic claiming as an apparent noob. I guess you are entitled to your opinion

I'm not sure spreading the vote out to oroglove, node or tube helps focus the lynch though.


I said I would change my opinion on him. NOTHING about voting for him, or giving you my vote. Of course you were wrong/lying as well, the timelines did fit.


Last night DrH was DEFENDING pandain, even with his own ass on the line. You are telling me thats scum play? Clearly you need to learn how to play this game.



"Timelines. I bet he claimed well before jcarl said he was in the gryffindor house. If not, then I will change my opinion of him because that would be a really scummy thing to do."

DrH DID NOT claim well before jcarl told him he was in the gryffindor house. I assumed "change my opinion because that would be really scummy" meant you would vote for him since the timelines DID NOT fit.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
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