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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:33 GMT
#822
On December 01 2010 10:28 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 10:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:20 chaoser wrote:
or we could have lynched his ass and found out by now...

and risk killing medic over townie

no

and what if kp is medic and dta is townie? it's worth killing a medic to know if he is the medic? nope.avi.jpg.exe


just a little miffed by the fact that I came home to read an urgent PM to unvote kenpachi with no preparation about 3 minutes before voting ended


well if the real second medic is out there, he claims to me and it's GG for kenpachi

mafia can't fake that because then he's sacrificing himself and 1 blue for 1 mafia is a trade that benefits town

Hey what if that medic isnt a medic and just claimed to kill me?


I hope so!
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:38 GMT
#827
We aren't on the same page. Let's take this to PM please.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:39 GMT
#830
On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill.

I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi.

13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:40 GMT
#831
On December 01 2010 10:39 SouthRawrea wrote:
What on earth happened while I was gone.. Seriously What!??

pandain happened
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:42 GMT
#832
On December 01 2010 10:34 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 10:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:28 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:25 chaoser wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:20 chaoser wrote:
or we could have lynched his ass and found out by now...

and risk killing medic over townie

no

and what if kp is medic and dta is townie? it's worth killing a medic to know if he is the medic? nope.avi.jpg.exe


just a little miffed by the fact that I came home to read an urgent PM to unvote kenpachi with no preparation about 3 minutes before voting ended


well if the real second medic is out there, he claims to me and it's GG for kenpachi

mafia can't fake that because then he's sacrificing himself and 1 blue for 1 mafia is a trade that benefits town

Hey what if that medic isnt a medic and just claimed to kill me?


I hope so!

so optimistic


town is actually in a position of advantage

why would anyone be pessimistic

I have a metric fuckton of PM information to be released if/when I die, we got CE and 1 mafia on the first day

we have a ton of shit to analyse and DT checks are only going to get stronger
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:57 GMT
#836
3 medics is a no no in a 30 person game imo

town should never be able to block every mafia hit in theory

i'm actually more inclined to believe the other medic is the mafia faker now atm, because I discovered a small inconsistency.

He said "I didn't get a PM so you survived"

but wouldn't the real medic know you don't get notified? I need a legit counterclaim immediately if the real medic is out there. If not I'm just going to assume these 2 medics are real.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 01:57 GMT
#837
I trust some of the claims and some I don't trust.

For instance, I don't trust the mad hatter who claimed to me.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 02:28 GMT
#840
Congrats! Badminton is awesome.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:00 GMT
#846
I'm going to say this.

If the real medic is out there but still won't claim to me for some BS reason:
protect youngminii

that's all I can say safely
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:02 GMT
#848
On December 01 2010 11:32 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:48 Eiii wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 01 2010 10:35 Eiii wrote:
DT checking ken is the best idea I guess-- if he turns out to just be a townie then we can pretty safely ignore him for the rest of the game-- he's either chaos or willing to fuck up town to save his own ass. If he's medic, he's an asset all of a sudden, and if he's mafia that's a free kill.

I'm more for demanding the real medic to counterclaim to me or southrawrea so we don't waste a dt check. we'll wait until the absolute last second to decide, if no one counterclaims then it's kenpachi.

13/30 players have roleclaimed to me already, it's not like you'd be putting yourself in specific danger.


Why are we assuming that if there's another medic ken can't be medic? It might be a reasonable assumption but it's not something to bet a blue on.

Honestly, I don't like how this is playing out. Ken has a clear lead, there's a last-second push to a townie thanks to ken's medic claim and some help from a few others, and now you're advocating that DTs shouldn't check him, because you say that another medic claiming to you proves ken isn't what he say he is.

It's tough to know anything for sure in this game, but if a DT checks ken and he turns up red I'm sure something'll happen.


Well, there could be another medic, but I don't think there would be THAT many medics. A lot of people have claimed to Dr.H, so he knows a lot of roles. He knows how many medics have claimed to him and so forth.

The one thing I'm worried about is how Dr.H can know to trust the claims he's gotten, especially if he has formed a town circle with some of them. An infiltrated town circle would suck.


I might be behind on this or just clueless in general, but I'm more concerned with how DrH can be trusted. I know setting up a circle and doing what he does isn't scummy at all, but if he's the elder (and if he's mafia, he's the elder for sure) then he's put himself in a fantastic position to really fuck town up.


I might as well go ahead and tell everyone I'm a green townie.

I'm overcompensating for my lack of power role.

Anywho watch the mafia fail at bluesniping again. When I have 14/30 people roleclaimed to me this game should be over already. The fact that town is in such a position as it is speaks volumes for how bad an dinexperienced the mafia is.

Which is why I want to look at inactives/newbs. It's also part of the reason I think "ok maybe radfield, amber, etc. aren't mafia" because I consider them too good for the abysmal day 1 hits.

I'm not sold on Radfield though. I've yet to really comb through his walls of text, but I'll get to it tonight. This night is going to be the tipping point for overwhelming town victory if town plays their cards right.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:03 GMT
#849
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him

i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:05 GMT
#852
what happened to the modkilled players? aren't there like 100 fucking people who got modkilled?

replacements better be active. inactivity, if anything, will screw this town.

also would anyone be opposed to me telling you all WHO roleclaimed ot me but not what role they gave me?
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:07 GMT
#853
On December 01 2010 12:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2010 12:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
btw southrawrea has already been confirmed by a dt, you can roleclaim to him

i've been sharing literally everything with southrawrea and the dt. there is no information i have that they don't.


If this can be confirmed by South, that would be lovely.

So at least you are being kept in check by them. How do you feel about a mass claim Doc?

I'm for it. I'm town aligned, it'll do no harm to tell me what you are.

I already know who so many people are that the smallest slip-up would be the end for any faking mafia. This means every mafia will probably fake vet or townie, but even that is poisonous for them.

The problem is it has to be to me or SouthRawrea and putting all your eggs in one basket is a very risky play. If someone else who wasn't me was in this position I'd be reluctant unless I was as convinced they were town as I am for, say, Amber[Light]
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 03:12 GMT
#857
Claimed to me:
Annul
Jcarls
Southrawrea
Kenpachi
youngminii
aidnai (pre-death)
Pandain
Chaoser
Protactinium
Glasse (claimed publicly)
KtheZ (claimed publicly)
Aeres

I incorrectly included a few dead people in my count. 12 roleclaims. I might be missing someone.

Be conscious of the fact that I came home to about 18 PMs. I'm on information overload and I fear shit is slipping through the cracks. I'm bound to make small number/logical slip-ups and I'm sure mafia will try to make me look bad for it.

You try reading 15 pms at work on your phone and getting everything perfect.

I will say this. The town circle is working on sorting out my information and splitting the workload so that nothing gets by without being looked at.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 04:00 GMT
#860
It's not that useful. It's very rare that the bad bandwagon starter is the mafia. That makes me look bad, but since this is a learning game I find that it tends to be the second person to do it.

What mafia do:
Analyse a bunch of different players. Each mafia will post a scummy analysis and FoS a different player to split up the bandwagon, that way the mafia can use their vote power to have more influence. If a town starts a bad bandwagon, they'll climb onto that as well.

RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 07:01 GMT
#862
Sup Kavdragon. GL reading this huge thread.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 07:24 GMT
#865
Node has RC'd as well.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 09:12 GMT
#866
It is 100% absolutely desperately necessary to claim to me if you are the medic. There is no hidden scum agenda whatsoever.

I do not want the DT to waste a check on kenpachi but it seems the mafia attempts to defend him started really early. If kenpachi was town, the bandwagon on him would have been so easy then why not?

Maybe because BrownBear is the more experienced player and thus more of a thread if he is town? Because they want to fake suspicion on Kenpachi?

I really doubt there is only 1 doctor in this game.

Kenpachi's role will reveal the most information and will help me know for certain if some people are mafia. If Kenpachi is red, I feel I can dump about 3 scum tomorrow.

If you are the medic claim to me. Not doing so is hurting the town. I feel so gross about this.

Ghrur was defending Kenpachi pretty hard on day 1. So when he died, DTA and others wanted to lynch Kenpachi. DTA flipped green.

But until there is a counter claim I must assume Kenpachi is blue, since there would clearly be two medics in this game.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 09:19 GMT
#867
Well you know what I'm doing is second guessing myself

I know I'm on the right trail and I'm fucking it up by overthinking it

mafia defend townies all the time, especially early in the game for the purpose of confusion

i am bad at this game, i apologize
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 01 2010 11:30 GMT
#872
Going to sleep now. Points to reiterate:

if kenpachi or the other medic is faking, the real medic knows it and needs to counterclaim to me so we don't waste a dt
is mass roleclaim viable? yes/no, everyone chip in. I have more than half the towns roles at this point. if I were mafia you guys are screwed anyway, it's just a matter of how hard you'll get raped. however the potential gains are enormous as it will help me significantly in scumhunting.
start reading peoples entire post history, now is the time to build a good case if you have one.
if the medic won't claim to me - protect youngminii
look at inactive players/players who pretend to contribute but actually don't.
RIP Aaliyah
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