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youngminii
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still reeling from the insane mafia game | ||
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SOOOOOOO HAPPY But uhh, if nothing happens on Day 1, does that mean we're just dancing around waiting for something to happen? | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:04 LSB wrote: We make up great plan. What do you think of tracker claiming? dislike there's no DT - no way of checking if claimed tracker is lying or not i mean if a corporate dude comes out and claims, then he directs the first lynch UNLESS there's a counter claim, but then the counter claimee will be eaten by scum and we'll have lost our tracker? idk it COULD work i just don't like the chances | ||
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just don't be scummy i guess | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:18 deconduo wrote: For example, if you lynch a hunter claim and have him shoot an unhit bulletproof claim, that can verify 2 people with one lynch, as the bullet proof won't die to the first bullet. Does this mean people don't flip when they die? Oh GOD I HATE THESE SETUPS FUCK MY LIFE /gameface | ||
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Scenario A: Real Doctor and Real Shrink claim and protect each other. All is fine and dandy. Lynch everyone else. Lalala. Scenario B: Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Doctor counterclaims. Tracker watches Fake Doctor, Shrink protects Fake Doctor, Real Doctor protects Shrink and Fake Doctor 'protects' Real Doctor. If Fake Doctor doesn't make a move, Tracker claims and Fake Doctor gets lynched. If Fake Doctor does, converted fellow dies. Worst case, one for one. Scenario C: Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Doctor counterclaims. Tracker watches Real Doctor, Real Doctor protects Fake Doctor, Fake Doctor 'protects' Shrink, Shrink protects Real Doctor. Either way, Real Doctor is confirmed, Shrink might get converted but we can just have the Tracker watch the Shrink the next day and see what happens. Worst case, one for one. Scenario D: Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims, but Fake Shrink counterclaims. Tracker watches Fake Shrink, Fake Shrink protects Real Doctor, Real Doctor protects Real Shrink, Real Shrink protects Fake Shrink. Same deal, if Fake Shrink doesn't make a move he's dead, if he does he's dead and the converted dude is dead. Worst case, one for one. Scenario E: Same deal as Scenario C. Scenario F: Real Doctor and Real Shrink claims. Fake Doctor and Fake Shrink counterclaims. Shrink protects themselves while Doctors do not protect. Watcher watches the Shrinks. If he gets the Fake Shrink, one scum down. If he gets the Real Shrink, we have a confirmed Shrink and the Fake Shrink dies anyway. As for the Doctor, if Fake Doctor converts Real Doctor then we're in a worst case situation with one Shrink and one Red. Worthwhile imo. Read it over, think about it. | ||
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If we get 7 /yes (2 taken out from mafia) we'll go ahead with it. If not, oh well we'll play like civilised gentlemen. | ||
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i'm an idiot i was under the assumption that the mind control IS mafia kp ignore everything i said before this post kthx  | ||
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Reading through the thread. | ||
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In that light: Vote DoctorHelvetica My vote is based on the fact that in Insane Mafia he was so adamant about defending himself against all of Pandain's silly accusations yet in this game he just fires right back at Pandain. metagame ftw | ||
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In any case, I suppose I'll try do an analysis on DrH. | ||
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On November 14 2010 08:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I really don't like the idea of everyone knowing what the shrink/doctors are gonna do. If we direct the blues that easily then the mafia simply only have to do exactly the opposite of what they shrink has claimed to do in the thread. If the mafia know the shrink is protecting player x, they will just never convert player x, meaning they will never fail in their conversion. The doctor and the shrink should feel comfortable acting on their own discretion. You need to understand what the best targets for mafia are. For death, strong blues (like LSB) will be the main target. For conversion, veterans/good players (myself, LSB) will be the strongest targets. Try to predict what the mafia are going to do, don't give them information. If we're going to do some sort of mass roleclaim thing, it needs to be set-up so that the mafia are forced to give the town bogus information. Mafia want to play the game giving as little information as possible in regards to everything, forcing them to come out of the woodwork is what will make them slip-up. Don't be scared to pressure. This is a wishy washy post. Instead of saying "Shrink/Doctor should not do this" he says "I really don't like the idea of..." He comes off as passive, doesn't push his opinion aggressively so that he doesn't put too much spotlight on himself. He gives 'advice' - "Don't be scared to pressure" which is obvious and makes him look pro-town. It also sets himself up to start pressuring people, which will ultimately lead to people getting lynched and allowing him to paint other people in a bad light. As scum, of course he doesn't mind a mass roleclaim. Mass roleclaiming this early will only help scum, and instead of saying "Don't roleclaim" like a townie would, he says IF you roleclaim blah blah blah. Hell, even the core of his post is scummy, of course he doesn't want Shrinks and Doctors to have their actions coordinated by town, it'll only help scum so he tries to put down the idea as under the radar as possible. On November 14 2010 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also town, if you feel someone is pretty strongly pro-town I'd advise you not to tell the town (hey I think player X is definitely a townie) wait and watch, mafia might try to make a bad case on that person and fall into the trap. it's ok to keep your thoughts to yourself. we don't need to know everything you're thinking and the mafia CERTAINLY don't. Trying to prevent town from coordination and planning. The less information the town has, the better for scum. On November 14 2010 14:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That is true. You're also the best target in the case of there being no mafia suspects. We need to scumhunt instead of putting pressure on you. You never respond well to it anyway, it's pointless. Possible link here between DrH and Coag. If DrH flips red, I'd keep an eye on Coag. Maybe DrH is defending Coag because he thinks Coag will probably end up hurting town by his play (no offence Coag!) On November 15 2010 03:21 DoctorHelvetica wrote: he didn't say he was neither calm nor clam he said he was either calm or clam, he just doesn't know which one big difference. we can't just accept artanis as 100% town. vet is one of the best fakeclaims for a mafia, but something about his play doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to me as mafia. he's at the bottom of my suspects list really wish he refused to answer that question about his role pm. would have been such a good trap if he said he was calm and then some mafia said "well im clam" Still trying to hush down the information town has. I think we can accept artanis as town for now, it won't hurt anyone to do so. We can determine his alignment later on if things don't add up. DrH on the other hand, blankets this information with a veil of insecurity, a very scum-like play. On November 15 2010 03:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i would think i'd be the day 1 target maybe mafia predicted i would be protected by a doctor or they're doing the same strategy I did in Micro Mafia Redemption where we intentionally avoided hitting vets so I wouldn't fall under suspicion for being the "last vet alive" The old "I'm probably the target" cover. Makes him look as secure as possible if he brings up the idea of mafia trying to target him. On November 15 2010 04:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i said I'm changing my game strategy I posted too much in insane mafia and I let the town know too much of what I was thinking. my plan is to be more withdrawn, keep more to myself, and only post when I have something to say. not feeling great about glasse, youngminii, or kenpachi. kenpachi never really contributes anything, just parrots what others say and is generally inactive i don't have good meta read on glasse yet or youngminii though. out of the active posters you're the scummiest imo is that what you wanted to hear? i'm going to go away now until something happens thats worth posting about "i said I'm changing my game strategy" - simplest cover Instead of playing as he normally does (logical, defensive, assertive, mannered and well presented), he kind of just dismisses the accusations against him, tries to put the limelight on other people and then posts in a very aggressive manner. On November 15 2010 04:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: you guys can lynch me if you're really stupid but please lynch pandain when i flip blue THIS IS NOT DRH TOWN STYLE PLAY. DrH would never be a jackass like this as town, he's pulling a Coag here. On November 15 2010 09:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: if in doubt, lynch coagulation. ..No. On November 15 2010 12:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote: rofl lynching people for "information" is such a bullshit scumplay lynch your best and most experienced player cause it might give you "information", good call. Pandain I never contradicted myself, stop beating a dead horse trying to get me lynched on bullshit. You don't get any information on anybody from me. What information on coagulation? That I think he's terrible at this game as either town OR mafia? Wow. What information on Artanis? Everyone seems to agree that his claim seems legit and makes no sense as a mafia play. What information do you get? You can get the same bullshit "information" lynching anybody, that's why this play is so weak and terrible. Hey town, why don't you think for a second before you go and off get rid of your most experienced player. Why does Pandain want to get rid of me? Think about if Pandain is mafia here: - Mafia doesn't hit me - Push suspicion on me for because I wasn't targeted night 1 - Make up shit about how I contradicted myself about pressuring or whatever Pandain is talking about, it doesn't even really make sense to me because his arguments never make sense - Left out the fact that me flipping blue might incriminate him (obviously purposely) - Same bad argumentation style in Insane Mafia (twist my words to make it seem like I'm being inconsistent, saying things that don't really make sense with the intent NOT of understanding what I'm saying but just of making me look bad) - This terrible bullshit "lynch for information!" argument Here's the thing. I always do the "lynch for information" bit when I'm mafia, or at least I had until BloodC0bbler told me in BrownBear's game that it was super obvious and that he was shocked no one knew I was mafia from DAY ONE starting that. I've been mafia probably more times than anyone here and I know bullshit when I see it. Guess what, that's all Pandain has to bring to the table. ##Vote Pandain Pandain if you are town then you seriously need to go through Mafia boot camp and read Ver's guide. Seeing as how you always seek advice after games (and you usually PM me about it) I seriously doubt you still lack the skill and logical insight necessary to stop these awful tirades. The gem of DrH's posts. He uses his jackass attitude that he's created in this game to try and push a vote against Pandain. First, DrH is not a jackass. It is beneficial if he acts like one though, if he can attack someone aggressively for a reason as simple as OMGUS. Second, lynching for information is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. Especially when there's someone scummy around. Thrid, who was the one that originally said "don't be afraid to pressure"? Lynching is a form of pressure, you pressure someone then lynch them if they don't act accordingly. You are saying don't lynch for information, that is essentially saying don't pressure for information. This is contradictory and scummy. For more information go read Pandain's analysis, it covers most of DrH's earlier posts where it's just mindless, under-the-radar type of posting. | ||
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But uhh, just so you know, I never said anything about lynching Coag. And hey, if we're telling the doctor to protect the tracker, then nobody will care if scum knows about it. Because it's a coordinated plan to protect the tracker. Yes, scum will never target tracker and hence never waste the hit but the original idea was to protect the tracker. | ||
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Wow this is bad. Wow. | ||
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I'm not going to let you dodge this lynch. | ||
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You say you posted too much as town. What have you posted in this game? Meaningless posts, until Pandain accused you. Then you got all aggressive and mad and tried to turn the tide back on him. Bad scum, bad. | ||
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On November 16 2010 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I wanted to lay a bit low at the beginning Case closed. | ||
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On November 16 2010 03:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Most obvious scum since Pandain in last game. Not gonna win this time playing this foolishly. Took the words right out of my mouth. | ||
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that defense is horrible, do you really expect me to argue against that? i don't want to turn this into a pandain v drh insane style where nobody cared about what either player was actually posting because it dragged on too long. i'd rather let people read your defense and realise for themselves that it's crap and how it shows you're scummy. i pressure you, you respond with scumlike behaviour = you get lynched. | ||
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gl hf town! | ||
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