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Sorry for not having been on in a while, I've been away from a computer for a bit (did not know it was going to happen). I'll skim the thread before I say anymore. | ||
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Before you ask me to do something stupid like roleclaim, ask yourselves: Why in God's name would scum have an ability that allows them to not die? Lynches always bypass the 'oh this guy has two lives' thing anyway. Why would I not try to defend myself after being pressured for so long? If you thought I was biding my time so that someone could try to take the attention away from me, why didn't anyone? DrH I'm surprised you didn't think of the second question. Also, a whole lot of your reasoning for your accusations in this thread comes from the metagame, which is stupid because some people like not playing the same style every single game. Stop relying on the metagame, especially if you've only seen me play *once*. Hang on, your reasoning is flawed anyway because if you actually used the metagame, you would have seen my active posting in Haunted Mafia as scum. Why in the world would you still try and get me lynched? | ||
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On November 01 2010 01:44 Pandain wrote: We're not asking you to roleclaim per se, we're asking you to explain why you were the lynch target, and you survived. No comment. Nevermind, you are correct. I misstated: The bodyguard prevents the Mayor from being hit, either during day or during night, and can't die except by Murrayitis or getting lynched. Doesn't that mean the bodyguard can't get hit at night by scum anyway? | ||
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In any case, why don't you think about it carefully before telling me to claim? If I'm invincible, no one will believe me. If I'm immune to lynches, mafia will kill me. If I'm able to manipulate something, that will make me just as suspicious as I am now. Stop being an idiot and play the game properly. You always do this over-analytical crap which doesn't work. Go back a step and think before you post. Maybe you should start with the first post where clearly says PMs are not allowed. | ||
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If you can't explain in thread, then I would suggest we somehow incorporate youngminii into a pming circle I don't want him to claim in thread if it hurts(thus through pms) and I don't even want him to claim entirely Sorry Pandain, you're not an idiot, your arguments are. I know you didn't read the thread entirely, so I'll just tell you it's already known by know there are roles where pms are allowed. If you're invincible, town(at least me) is not going to be like "wtf". If your immune, well then actually we might let you die if it will help other roles live So you're assuming that I can PM people and your argument is that I should be roleclaiming through PMs? And please, tell me how letting me die is a good thing? Back up your arguments. In any case, your posts have been hugely scummy to me, but then again they always are. I've never been in a mafia game where you've given solid arguments as a townie. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is a question too hypothetical to answer as it would require me to confirm or deny roles and give too much information away. Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer. Maybe. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote: I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia. Why are you so sure there are 2 bodyguards? Wasn't your logic behind the 1 bodyguard theory based on the assumption that DCX is a bodyguard? I want to ask you guys something too. Would it be a good idea to analyze the Murrayitis's mechanics and how it would affect the game in the long run? I think I find it's interesting but I'm not sure if other players agree or not. I don't see why not. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:24 Aeres wrote:I hope that DC actually isn't a Bodyguard as he implied. If he wasn't, that means there's still a hidden Bodyguard out there, and I can stall for time while the Mafia searches for the hidden one. In that period, we can coalesce into a more organized town and start trying to get at the Mafia. Why would you say this if you only think there are 2 bodyguards because of dcx's 'claim'? | ||
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Why is no one pointing their finger at Aeres? Did you not read the night post? A bodyguard died (Annul). Now according to LSB/Artanis, there's only one bodyguard. Maybe he's lying but if he is, we're still operating under the assumption that DCL softclaimed bodyguard. So that makes 3 in total. Aeres's claim never made sense to me anyway, and the scumtells that he dropped (oh hey I'm assuming there's two bodyguards because of DCL's softclaim.. But what if DCL isn't a bodyguard? Who's the other one?). It almost looked as if Aeres was trying to gain our trust, make us lose trust in DCL and weed out any other bodyguards that may have tried to claim. | ||
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DrH, stop replying to his 'arguments'. You'll just detract from other, more important issues. | ||
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Focus on Aeres. In case you don't know, LAL = Lynch All Liars. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:21 Pandain wrote: Alright, I think just a series of reasonable questions will help express my point. Actually, sometimes I can't express an argument in question form so :/ STOP | ||
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Do you not see what's happening? Someone: So DrH I think you might be lying because of x DrH: Well I wasn't lying but y happened so it looks like I was lying about x but there might also be the possibility of z (ie. he's covering all bases) Pandain: So you expect us to believe you about y AND z? How convenient that you came up with them (then he goes back to the original arguments that DrH already covered) Just stop it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:40 Nemesis wrote: Damn this has turned into a shitfest. Can we please stop with all these "what ifs" bullshit? I guess important thing right now is who I am going to lynch, then I'm sleeping. Aeres, kgo. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:36 infinitestory wrote: I'm sorry, but I refuse to simply ignore the alignment of our mayor. I am in no way convinced he is a townie, even if you are. Knowing our mayor has an extra vote still, even if he doesn't have night protection anymore, he is still a power player that deserves additional attention. That's not the point. There's no way of finding out whether or not our Mayor is a blue or a red as of now. The arguments that Pandain is putting up are ridiculous and stretched way too far, if you honestly keep up with your persistent following of this idiocy (I'm talking about his arguments, not Pandain himself) then I'm going to have to label you as scum following a blind argument aimed at taking down a blue mayor. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Just stop replying to him, no one except infinitestory (and his scum buddies if he's scum) will listen to him. You'll drag it on too. | ||
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On November 01 2010 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Why? The more desperate he gets the better everyone can see how scummy he's playing. And how easy it would be for the mafia to turn it against me if I just say nothing at all. Regardless I feel like this a lot of noise designed to distract from the Aeres situation. Would be nice and all if Pandain didn't play like this all the time. I'm still waiting for a counter argument for/from Aeres, until then my vote will stand. @inifinitestory: So we elected DrH because we thought he'd be able to confirm. Now there may be a way for a red to take away that ability to confirm OR they may be the possibility that DrH is red. So you want to spam up the thread and kill him based on that? At most, I see this as a 50/50 chance, mathematically speaking. I see Aeres as a much better investment. P.S. I'm ignoring you Pandain, I don't feel the need to respond to your argument and spam the thread even more. | ||
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Even if there was the small chance that he's telling the truth, he deserves to be killed because of the simple fact that he lied and confused town. His lie and DrH's 'lie' are completely different things. This type of play is discouraged and he should be killed off for it, Bill Murray used to do it a lot to the great dismay of everyone. LAL | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:06 Misder wrote: I'm going to bring this up again, why do you think mafia chose to kill annul? Do you think they found about him being the bodygaurd? Cause I don't see another reason why mafia would kill him. He didn't make any amazingly good post that would screw mafia over did he? The only real reason I can think of is he played extremely well in Haunted Mafia (carried us to victory). Maybe they saw him as a threat. | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: Still that is the best way for him to use his role if he is telling the truth now, I just am not sure where to criticize his confession. LAL or believe that it was an honest mistake? Kind of a dumb play for scum so I am inclined to believe him. I've been thinking about this for a while now. Mafia use a chatroom or something similar as an efficient tool for chatting. Often times the mods of the game join the chatroom to oversee what's happening. So at the point where Aeres had already roleclaimed the second bodyguard (after Annul) a lot of people were asking Artanis whether or not he made lies up. Artanis replied that he would not give an outright lie. This would tell us there is only one bodyguard (unless I'm missing something) which essentially outs Aeres as a liar. So I'm thinking Artanis probably gave Aeres a heads up that he was going to say what he said about the lies beforehand so that Aeres could get a chance to redeem himself a little bit by admitting his lie. ie. he was backed into a corner with no more options. I'm probably horribly wrong on this though, heh. | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:06 DCLXVI wrote: So the potential doctor is risking saving a "confirmed" blue vs losing himself as well. Unless someone provides me with an good enough reason I will not fully roleclaim You're going to die anyway. Unless the mafia are allowed to move the hit? | ||
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On November 01 2010 13:16 Nemesis wrote: I don't know why there are a good amount of people lynching Aeres. Aeres basically roleclaimed to take a hit incase DC was actually bodyguard. And if he isn't lying about his role, that is basically the best thing he can do with it. Also, what benefit could roleclaiming as bodyguard give mafia really? Trust? Too much relaxation? As scum they could put us into a state of 'oh hey the Mayor has a bodyguard, he won't die, we don't need a doctor to protect him' if we think he's still got an active bodyguard. I mean, who the hell would actually go to the trouble of making an entire 'Cruiseship Captain' role by themself? Looks like it was looked over and peer reviewed by an entire team of people imo. The original Cruiseship Captain Crap: On November 01 2010 04:12 Aeres wrote: + Show Spoiler + Okay, since it seems that the Doc's position as Mayor is in jeopardy, I'm going to put some interesting info out there. On October 31 2010 10:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Further news I forgot to put in the night post: Due to budget cuts, we have only managed to purchase one bodyguard for the Mayor. Artanis lied. There are two Bodyguards, not one. I don't know who the first one is (I suspect it's DC), but I am the second one. I was going to play dumb about my role of Bodyguard until DC screwed up. I dunno if he really is the other Bodyguard, but if he is, I feel like if he was killed, then the Mafia, upon learning that there is a second Bodyguard (due to a failed hit on Mayor), would start hitting the most outspoken townspeople in lieu of the Mayor. Since I am in fact one of the more outspoken people in this topic, I was at risk of being "tapped", so to speak. I would also like to note that my normal role greatly assists my ability to act as a Bodyguard. Since Bodyguards block hits on the Mayor, killing them makes the Mayor vulnerable. My role is designed to increase my longevity as long as possible. My role is called the "Cruiseship Captain". I am eligible to PM a mod in order to set sail for the ocean and leave town for the night, thus becoming immune to any and all night actions (positive and negative alike, including roleblocks and DT checks). I am not permitted to set sail on consecutive nights. Because of this mechanic, I can survive on my own for a short while. Having a Medic tend to me will not be necessary for the first few nights. Once my role has been exhausted of uses (I do not know how many times I can set sail in this game, only that it is more than once), Medics are more than welcome to assist me. Also, please keep in mind that my role has an additional function that I am not presently willing to reveal. Yeah, this is all great, Aeres, but now you sound mighty suspicious to me! Well, yes, I cannot deny that I seem fishy (pardon the pun, I am a Cruiseship Captain, after all). I also imagine it does not help my case that setting sail makes me immune to DT checks. I assure you all, however, that I am working in the interests of the town. Believe me, I'd rather not cause suspicion when it isn't warranted, but DC's possibly slip-up forced my hand. | ||
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@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo. | ||
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Oh, let's not forget the fact that he said that the mods lied about the number of bodyguard roles too. | ||
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This tells us there are small, gay lies but no outright ones. | ||
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On November 01 2010 20:18 Coagulation wrote: the way hes jumping all over aeres with lynch first ask questions later looks scummy. Actually I'm just waiting for a counter argument. There's only so much I can say by myself, it takes two to create a discussion. | ||
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On November 01 2010 22:24 NB wrote: very interesting that the elder vote has been used again? Could it be that there is some insight that our DTs has connection with the elder and the vote is 100% correct? :D Interesting theory. We should keep this in mind, perhaps? | ||
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On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..). Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar. Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that? Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist. I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him. I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive? I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much, | ||
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On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote: ##Vote Aeres There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched. Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game. I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. | ||
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On November 01 2010 23:57 Amber[LighT] wrote: Well without putting much effort into outting you since you don't know yourself well enough, this was (what looks like) your end-post for Flamewheels game: Reference Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=91#1811 Very apathetic. Not very engaging. Not really pushing with "evidence." You had this epiphany where you're going to use reason in your posts? I find it highly suspicious. I was scum. Nice try though. Thanks for the 4000th | ||
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My vote's gonna stick with Aeres, pretty sure my vote on him is justified. I dunno why there are so many people suddenly jumping towards me. Anyway, what the hell DrH? | ||
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I'm content with sticking with Aeres. | ||
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On November 02 2010 09:29 infinitestory wrote: Going to offer my argument against youngminii now. This is likely the antithesis to DrH's post. by request: An analysis of youngminii It's interesting to note that youngminii made only one post on Day 1. It "explains" his choice for mayor (not really, since it's exactly 8 words long). He hasn't even expounded on it as of now, and he didn't respond to questioning. Two conclusions. Nothing to show how he got there. He still hasn't said anything about it, but at this point it might be moot. I'll be honest, this post was stupid considering it was my only post for day 1, I'm not surprised I was lynched. I was tired and I had just read the role PM when I posted this and after hastily reading through the thread, I posted this in case I didn't have time to post anything later (which was what ended up happening). That's fair. I'm not going to question an unexpected leave. Still, you should respond to the questions we asked on Day 1. Fair enough. Half the questions were a "why does he only have one post" kind of thing though. This isn't much of a defense, actually. Basically, he says there is no way that his lynch-dodge could be a red role. Except that it was pointed out that it is actually possible for a lynch-dodging role to be red (e.g. dodge lynch the first time, like a red veteran). I agree that it's not beneficial for him to roleclaim at this point (at least not fully), but instead of using "It's not beneficial to town" as a reason, he uses "I'm obviously not red" as a reason. That's odd. I've never seen a red role have an unlynchable role. I mean I read DrH's post and I see that there could be but at the time that was what I believed. Also, veterans cannot bypass lynches, they can only take an extra night hit. He keeps dodging, but he's been adamant about revealing nothing about his role so far. I wouldn't expect anything different. The question is valid, as it's a miswording from Artanis. The less information red has about town the better imo. Reveals that he hasn't been reading the game carefully in any way (doesn't know about bumatlarge's circle powers OR fishball's circle). Continues to claim that his role could only possibly be blue. It's true, I skimmed about half of the day 1 posts, but I admitted that before. Just so you know, I did know about fishball's circle but not about bum's. Here begins (?) his wagonmongering against Aeres. Even Glasse pointed out that there's no reason to interpret Artanis' words this way. I probably shouldn't have said that, it was just something that popped up in my head and I decided to write it to stir some thoughts. I did add the "Maybe" at the end, like you know, "NOT A GUARANTEE" at the end of those ads. This is legitimate. He does find an odd contradiction in Aeres' post which becomes one of the main reasons he's questioned and eventually revealed. It's true that Aeres should have been under much more suspicion at this point (and indeed, we soon began questioning Aeres further). However, the scumtell he points out isn't exactly great, as a sane scum who intended to incite distrust of DC would have claimed bodyguard and acted like the only one. His first post in a long time. LAL isn't even valid unless there's reason to believe he made that claim to deceive the town. Many people (I think Pandain and DrH both said this, which might be an only-once kind of thing) have stated that lying can be beneficial to the town. Fair enough, I don't like lies though. At this point, he starts attacking Pandain's arguments as spam. No doubt Pandain gets very worked up and the back-and-forth is ... length, but the argumentation isn't contentless. I like Pandain, I do. I don't like the way he posts sometimes, just as I know some people don't like the way I post. I'm allowed to make my opinions public. Focus on Aeres? Why is Aeres' revelation of lying more conclusive than the several contradictions Pandain pointed out? At this point, I'm worried he's reading selectively, and he seems to be actively distracting the town from DrH and putting attention on Aeres. I don't consider them contradictions. He's just going over the same points over and over ("you said you could prove yourself 100% but now you can't because of reasons x y z which I don't trust so you're scum") and I thought it was getting very tiresome/useless. This is untrue. A player who plays badly or in a discouraged way is not necessarily red. He's just not an asset to town. But we don't lynch to get rid of just anybody. We must lynch to get rid of REDS. So far, nobody has shown decisively that Aeres lied to deceive the town. I dunno about you but if there were no reds up for lynch, I'd lynch the bad player. At the moment there's no one that looks scummier than Aeres and the same was true for the time of that post. That's fair. I didn't play in Haunted Mafia, so I wouldn't know. good god, and you're trying to lesson us on what's unlikely and hypothetical, what's concrete and conclusive. hahahahhahaha Assuming Node is telling the truth, the hit is decided at the beginning of the day. The mafia could also put us into a state of "as soon as someone is discovered as lying, lynch." He also makes a very interesting comment, that Aeres doesn't seem to have made up his role -> He must have made it up and then had a "team of people" peer review it. He's really finding the most outlandish ways to paint Aeres as red. It may be outlandish. I don't think that makes me scum though. This is just WRONG. Killing someone to find out their alignment is not what we lynch for. It was a bit of a joke post (hence the ^_^) but I shouldn't have posted that in the first place. What I should have posted was "If there's no one that sounds scummier than Aeres right now, we should lynch him and see what he flips, then we can figure out what to do/who to lynch based on his alignment". This is fair. It makes sense with his alibi, but that doesn't mean it isn't suspicious. This is true and fair. This is also true and fair. I would recommend you defend yourself. If you don't, probably nobody will. YOU should create the counter argument. I meant counter argument from Aeres about the argument against him. That might be a bit of a stretch. I doubt there are three circles (aside from the mafia), so the DT and Elder would have to be in either bum's circle or fishball's circle. Remember, fishball only has 3 people in his circle, including himself. Those arguments are not idiotic. We don't know enough about Aeres to declare him as scum. If you are waiting for a counterargument against yourself, maybe you should produce it. That second part is the main thing I find wrong with this post. This continues to make 0 sense. Why would you not feel the need to defend yourself? Fine, fine, I'm defending myself. OK. I apologize for missing posts (I know I missed one, but I can't find it >____>) Youngminii has been very concerned with Aeres and getting Aeres lynched without evidence. It seems either scummy or evident of a DT who doesn't know how to play and is martyring himself. Except, how many DTs can dodge lynches? >__> Youngminii adamantly refuses to defend himself. I can't possibly imagine what that means, but if anybody wants to supply a theory, I REALLY want to hear it. I don't know why you keep saying there's no evidence. There is evidence, you're just reading posts very selectively. | ||
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On November 01 2010 04:22 youngminii wrote: Translation: Aeres is scum and he's making up the role. By answering this question, I would be confirming the existence of the fake role and as such, I can't give a real answer. Maybe. Hey wait, I was totally right here. Why are you using this as an argument, infinitestory? | ||
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On November 02 2010 10:34 infinitestory wrote: For one, we don't know if he's scum for certain. Also, he made the same response to a question about the Cruiseship Captain role, so by the same logic the Cruiseship Captain doesn't exist either. That just seems unlikely to me. ............................................................................................................................................... You know the Cruiseship Captain role was made up, right? Or am I missing something here... | ||
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I think it's same to assume it was Fishball's PM group. Anyway, did L just single handedly take all the attention away from Aeres with one post that doesn't really defend his actions in any solid manner? Seriously? | ||
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I'm interested in the analysis of Misder. I could almost swear he played very similarly in a game of mafia when we were both scum. I'll just go away and look for it now. | ||
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He also likes bussing. I remember in XXX when we were on the same team, basically his first post of value was one bussing me, then he went on trying to bus one or two more teammates throughout the game. | ||
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On November 02 2010 21:38 Glasse wrote: More of a role claim than slip i thought i work at a radio What, so you the cat was you lol, that was a pretty random roleclaim. I'm thinking there's a pretty clear connection between Aeres and jcarl, namely that jcarl does not want to touch the Aeres thing at all while he goes and basically goes and points fingers at every other person. I mean, Aeres just said he 'can't post much because of schoolwork'. He's meant to be defending himself. My vote's going to stick with Aeres. | ||
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Lucky break with the mafia retard. I honestly thought infinitestory was more scummy than most others. | ||
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Food for thought, don't look into it too much (yet). | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: meh, I doubt it's exactly the same. I'm inclined to believe him because he fished for other ADD DT's in the same way I did for other stickys. I'd think it's more likely he has a 100% chance of investigating correctly, since orgolove actually had a 100% chance of saving right? Yeah but I'm just saying there's the possibility of him lying about his roleclaim, since I've never seen an ADD role that wasn't a "x% chance of getting the opposite result" type of thing. Oh well Coagulation's mafia anyway, bus or not so no use worrying about it now. By the way, Pandain voted at 10:06 TL time and hasn't posted in this thread (I was giving him time to post before writing this). At a time where someone should be defending themselves heavily instead of lurking like he is, I think it's fair to say he's either not playing well or he's very scummy. | ||
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Perhaps we should start thinking about who to lynch (apart from pandain) tomorrow. | ||
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OR "Just stop, you're posting crap. Repetitive posts are crap. I'm not going to debate your 600 posts of the same flawed arguments against DrH but they're crap." | ||
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Shouldn't you be as well? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:39 Pandain wrote: Night 1 infinite, safe Night two, nemesis, safe i lol'd | ||
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Now it's day 3 and Pandain can't confirm himself which is a bigger lie than DrH's? Does this not strike you as fucking stupid at all Pandain? Couldn't you have come up with a better argument/roleclaim? | ||
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On November 04 2010 10:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i feel uncomfortable something about his role feels really plausible to me, but at the same time its very easy to fake and much safer to fake than mine i suggest we kill pandain/someone unconnected or opposed to pandain if pandain turns up blue and the other turns up red that could be really good for us in the end. No, we're killing Pandain. He's posting scummily (as usual though) and there is no reason for Artanis/LSB to make two roles that literally overlap yet have one *slightly* better than the other. If Pandain is blue then FoS infinitestory. | ||
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And you role check while Pandain alignment checks. Either way, I'm banking on Pandain having fakeclaimed. | ||
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On November 04 2010 11:10 Pandain wrote: So you think i'm mafia, because I claimed a role which you think mafia wouldn't have. Circular reasoning ftw. Best post I've seen from you so far. Agree with DrH. | ||
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DCL claimed Mad Hatter and has a bomb on Coag. Town is lynching Coag. Isn't this a bit counterintuitive? Why are we not lynching the next best target (Pandain)? I'm all for having Coag killed but that does screw over one of the bombs, assuming DCL isn't fakeclaiming. By the way, the internet at my home got cut and isn't coming back up for over a week, I'll try to be as active as possible though. | ||
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On November 06 2010 10:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Should there be one in the game, then yes. They would get their bomb back. wait what changing my vote to coag | ||
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On November 06 2010 11:56 Nemesis wrote: Yes, but you are forgetting that his mafia buddies could be telling him what to say. How many times have you been scum and your scum buddies have dictated every single thing you say? Not many, most times they would let you do what you want. | ||
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plus he's posting an awful lot for someone that waits for someone to tell him everything he says | ||
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Anyway, I think it's safe to say Pandain's been supported/protected by Coag a lot more than a normal townie would have. Sorry Pandain but one of my votes goes to you. Unless you can convince me otherwise ofc. Who else is there to choose from? I remember a case on Nemesis, can we get an update on him. Also, can someone do an analysis on L? I feel as if he's been a bit weak, if we look at him as a townie. His town play is usually very, very strong (targets and analyses scum well) but as far as I can remember, that hasn't been happening this game. | ||
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I must've missed the post from KtheZ, will go back and look for it. | ||
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On November 07 2010 08:22 KtheZ wrote: + Show Spoiler + Considering that the state of the town is in complete disarray, I will now roleclaim. I am the detective. However, I suspect that I am an "insane detective". The reasons and my finding will be below. On night 1, I forgot to investigate anyone, being the lurker dumbass I was. On night 2, I investigated Pandain. I found him to be the MAFIA Garbage collector. On night 3, I investigated infinitestory, and found him to be the MAFIA ADD detective. Now, what the hell? Why would the mafia have an ADD Detective? This has led me to conclude that I am insane. Now, assuming I'm an insane detective, it is apparent that Pandain and infinitestory are town-aligned. I am no longer into lynching pandain; I had found him to be mafia, which is why i was so ardent in pursuing his lynch. I feel that infinitestory's results are now trustworthy, and that pandain did not lie about his role. If you think I am lying, look at my posts against pandain. I was so one-mindedly pursuing pandain because I thought he was mafia. However, this night has confirmed my sad suspicion that I am "insane". Can't believe I missed this, heh. I think he might be a paranoid detective. Or maybe he really is insane. Or maybe you're a normal detective and both Pandain and infinitestory are scum (doubt it, since infinitestory would have basically bussed Coag for no reason, always a possibility). Or maybe you're scum with a fake roleclaim. I just don't buy the fact that Pandain is town. I say we go ahead with his lynch. | ||
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On November 07 2010 13:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOP: Also I think we should vote double lynch again. I think tomorrow we are going to have a lot better candidates with our information and I don't want to hit a situation where we wish we had that extra KP. It is Day 5 and I don't think this will really go past day 7 at this rate. At least with the mafia KP still being 2+1. Murrayitis is most likely going to activate tomorrow or the day after. I think double lynching may leave us in a very tight situation. It might also be instrumental to town's survival, depending on the outcome of the Murrayitis. Very luck-based right now. | ||
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On November 07 2010 15:07 Nemesis wrote: Well even if that is the case, it is very unlikely that Pandain is mafia then. His role has been confirmed eitherway(Trash Collector), and since it checks the alignment of one random person per night. It would be a useless role for mafia as mafia already knows everyone's alignment. /facepalm That would be the ideal role, you realise Godfathers don't actually gain the abilities of the role they choose, right? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [posts] + On October 31 2010 12:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: SUP ALL! Going to start reading now O_O! On November 03 2010 15:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am trying to catch up a bit right now since I will be working and going to class a lot for the next 3 days so I want to try to actually help a little bit first. But I am a little far behind. First I am on around page 75 right after the second day post where the mafia did their first actual kills. There are a couple of things I read which still are apparently unspecified. If I understand correctly apparently the mafia kill people and their is also a separate disease called murrayitis that runs around and kills townies. Apparently the Day post also references peoples roles and powers and DrH claims his power is to poke people and if you DON'T get a PM back it means they are not sick. If you were role blocked (Which from what i read it seems like you think you were) This is supposed to reference annul iirc which means if you supposedly poked someone this could of been them. You didn't necessarily have to be role blocked. On another note since this game also has insane roles the bus driver is extremely likely. If the Bus driver switched Annul with whoever your poke target was you still would of not gotten a PM back and you could of poked Annul instead. Either that or there is more than one player who has a role such as yours where they can poke people. I would say this because It says other people meaning more than one, which would mean there might even be more than two of your role just because I don't see the odds of two people poking the same person as incredibly high unless there is some sort of role checking ability as well and some increased incentive to do so. For an example of a situation like that. Lets say I am a really suspicious player for whatever reason, or I am for some reason a player who warrants a role check and a bus driver doesn't want that going through or wants it yielding misleading information it can be switched. If two of you did that on a certain player and it got bus'd you wouldn't have any idea that it happened since your role doesn't involve any response PM. What I am interested to know is IF there was hypothetically a bus driver (since the mods seem to like to be difficult) and X Role checked Y and the BD switched Y with Z would X receive a PM saying the alignment of the player they thought they checked or who they actually checked? To clarify would it say "You checked Y and they came back town" or "You checked Z and they came back town" even though you checked Y it tells you that you actually checked Z? On November 03 2010 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Yeah, I dunno there is a lot to think about. I was mainly focusing on the idea that the target of the poke could of been bus'd instead of role blocked, or it could of just went through. There is just so many trivial things in this game its hard to rule anything out. I swear I really enjoy this set up I just really wish that I was here since the beginning. With all the work I have to do it makes it really hard to try to keep up with the thread which gets another 20 pages every time I refresh. I also can't skim read because there is so much important stuff that happened that I am so far behind. Its very demotivating :/ but I will try anyway. I just read the post by DrH recently where he talks about getting role blocked and I just wanted to bring up some obvious possibilities that he could of easily been bus'd because he made a pretty large jump on page 75ish which from a recent post (maybe 5 pages ago?) he apparently still stuck with. I haven't really formed much of an opinion on anyone, but for such a good player it seems like a glaring oversight. It really sucks I have to sleep soon though, I actually fine this game to be the most interesting one I have played in in a long time. Reminds me of the olden days before the massive amount of F11 lamer set-ups. On November 03 2010 16:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: PMing was kind pf shitty when i was a newcomer i felt like i was in the middle of two clashing sides and left in the dark. The games sucked unless you knew people. Which until i was mafia for the first time i didn't. On November 03 2010 17:04 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I think I must of confused a post from the 70's when I was reading the current pages. I thought you mentioned being role blocked again since the last day post but I seem to be wrong. God this game is fucking confusing. But specifically the post I was referring to in regards to your actions and my thoughts on the possibility of a BD were referencing the second day post where that precursor post to annul's death indicates someone getting poked by "people" indicating more than one person. So I was trying to theorize what could of transpired as opposed to you getting role blocked which would also explain the multiple pokes on a single individual, assuming that paragraph was actually referring to the power of poking that you and possibly others have. Although I guess assuming prod referred to poke was a gambit in itself, but it seemed like a safe wager. On November 04 2010 15:03 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just going to respond to this since I am reading from the last day post. I had a lot to do the last few days and today after around 5pm my activity is going to increase a lot. So I doubt my inactivity will be an issue for much longer. I had a lot of midterms to prepare for and had to go to work and make sure our store was perfect for some gay visit we have tomorrow/today whatever which we have been doing for the last 3-4 days. Anyway from what I read coag is getting it, and we are voting double lynch so I will get on that to make sure we have the majority. On November 04 2010 15:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOP: And yes I subbed in for another player, but I forgot who. On November 06 2010 04:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I meant to post this last night, but I had to go out with gf and she wouldn't wait There is no reason to not vote for coagulation right now, its better to get one definite mafia right now and focus on "suspects" later. Coagulation and Pandain are both good targets and even if it cost us a hatter bomb the fact that its a guaranteed mafia kill makes it worthwhile so hopefully it will effect their KP. Coagulation is the best lynch candidate right now, and I am pretty sure the mafia must of just fuck it, throw him under a bus because there is so little actual defense against him. If I had to guess I'd say coagulation implicated enough of the mafia team already and they don't want to risk more to try and save him. So there being no counter arguments isn't surprising. Although its interesting how pandain is being rather mundane now. Also L, vote you noob. On November 06 2010 05:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Just to be clear I don't buy this shit Pandain. You get raped by DrH who sees the connection between you and Coagulation and all of a sudden you claim Trash Collector? Trash Collector? Really? Was there ever an easier mafia cover? The role that randomly alignment checks people. Pretty easy to fake when you know that there are two alignments and you know all the reds. Its the most convenient role to possibly claim, as far as I am concerned that combined with your desire for a check you are most likely the godfather. I would do an analysis but there was an awesome one by DrH a few pages back, but I don't think anyone pointed out how the role you claimed fits perfectly in with mafia. I would usually hesitate to kill a potential DT for our side but in this case I would make an exception just because of how overwhelming the evidence is. Unless something crazy happens it is really looking like you and hyperbola are up next to get the axe. Also did anyone find it funny that hyperbola was apparently inactive for 2 days then as soon as he is accused was right there to defend himself? It reaks of lurking which is generally a mafia or blue trait. In this case since everyone is blue, i'd dare say that would make the choice obvious. On November 06 2010 13:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright about this DrH shit lets settle if he is legit confirmed, because I think you are misunderstanding how Lexpar's role works. His role commits suicide if he protects a mafia, but how would he know the role was a mafia? If I had to guess, I would say his role commits suicide upon a mafia flipping who he had protected. Let's say Lexpar protected Coagulation and he hadn't been modkileld. When Coagulation flipped red THEN he would commit suicide, not right after he protected Coagulation. The reason I argue this is because lets say hypothetically Lexpar would of role checked a godfather, would he die instantly? If he would this would in a sense confirm a role as mafia which shouldn't be able to get confirmed under any condition. I am posing this question not just as a statement but as a question to the moderator. For Lexpar's suicide to activate, would the mafia have to be flipped by either a lynch or a night kill on the mafia? I don't like hearing people shouting about 100% innocent unless we have a real reason to think it. Besides that I have no fucking idea what you think you are doing DrH, why would you completely back off Pandain? It just doesn't make sense for you to go after two targets who are much less suspicious then Pandain for so many reasons. I don't see why you would think infinitestory would sacrifice coagulation so randomly, it is a really ballsy mafia move but usually it is done with some reason. You are being stupid in this respect. We should question his claim further after his next check. The reason I say this is because what you said has a moderate amount of merit, but not enough. The reason I say that is because his first check is something that he wouldn't need to justify with a role description, but his second claim is. The other reason I would mark this inconsistent is because he can't expect to keep "faking" this role unless he is outing MORE of his mafia members, or if he is some sort of mafia detective. Which in this game type doesn't seem completely unfeasible, but you haven't presented that as a possibility. On November 06 2010 14:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I could be reading too much into wording but I was focusing on the doctor being consumed with guilt. He shouldn't be consumed by guilt unless he knows hes mafia, so therefore it should require a flip or a rolechecking ability. I could of read too much into it but it was worth posing as a mod question. On November 07 2010 13:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: While I still hold Pandain as a good suspect right now for at least one of our two lynches I feel a little more iffy towards him now. One of the reasons is because of the hits tonight, the reason being is that with DrH dead it kind of points the finger to continue ramming pandain, but I feel like it could have a secondary underdone of waving off hyperbola's accusation by DrH. If you follow the logic it is that killing drh seems like a good move to throw us off our game and make us lynch pandain, because without the information we have today from KtheZ role claiming insane mafia pandain looks extremely bad. But then KtheZ confirms that pandain is the role he said he was which makes us look at what else DrH said, not just the surface people who he was targeting. Hyperbola is someone who he brought up very few times but with a high level of conviction in his voice meaning that when it came to today the two lynches he would of most likely proposed had he been alive would of been Pandain and Hyperbola, but we only really talked about Pandain, hyperbola was kind of left up in the air. I think the mafia killing DrH was hoping to accomplish several things. One, it kills off a 100% confirmed blue. Two, it destabilizes the town and makes us regain our footing. Three, it casts heavy doubt on pandain (if you don't take into account the insane DT check) which would overshadow Hyperbola. I think this may have been a move to try to put a lot more focus on Pandain then we would of originally had to try to hide hyperbola under a sea of shit. I don't think we should let that get away, although until I see some better targets I am still inclined to vote for both Pandain and Hyperbola, although with the insane Dt check and the aforementioned situation I am not as much inclined to kill pandain, but if no better target presents itself I don't consider the loss of a trash collector that monumental to where we should kill someone we are less sure of. On November 07 2010 13:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: EBWOP: Also I think we should vote double lynch again. I think tomorrow we are going to have a lot better candidates with our information and I don't want to hit a situation where we wish we had that extra KP. It is Day 5 and I don't think this will really go past day 7 at this rate. At least with the mafia KP still being 2+1. He basically does not accuse ANYONE except Pandain and DrH (kind of). Playing under the radar waaaaay too much. Voted for me on Day 2 and jumped on the Coagulation bandwagon far too late (probably a bus). Too inactive for my liking, even for a townie. | ||
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On November 08 2010 09:46 Pandain wrote: Seriously guys? We just found the perfect screw up and you still believe him? He just claimed a role which doesn't do what it says! That's like someone claiming doctor but saying it allows him to check people instead! Honestly watcher/tracker is very easy to confuse, even I believed kitaman and thought we had found scum. But mafia screwed up, and they screwed up hard. The role he wanted to claim was tracker, but he claimed watcher. Instant FoS on everyone still voting Ace. Also, we need to start looking at the possible reasons why Kitaman would try to do a sudden bandwagon on Ace. I'm thinking we were lynching one of the mafia, and they needed to do something. Since hyperbola was in the lead, I'll vote him. I'll also look at his posts. If Ace is scum, you're simply backing him up and digging your own grave. I say we lynch Pandain and kitaman, then when one of them flip red we'll have reduced mafia KP and we'll know the alignment of Ace. | ||
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which is why it's so important that we do | ||
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I'm voting for kitaman for obvious reasons, AS YOU SHOULD BE TOO, and I'll be voting for KtheZ for also screwing up a few times and his post right above me (voting off Hyperbola, Nemesis and double lynch, if this doesn't scream mafia I don't know what does). I repeat: Kitaman and KtheZ. | ||
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A double lynch while we have as much information as we do now, with everyone at each other's heads, no, I do not think it's a good idea at all. | ||
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This is stupidly scummy play. I hope you get lynched, if you don't there's seriously something wrong going on here. | ||
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sorry for not voting again, i have no internet at home >< why'd hyperbola get lynched, that was a bit random guess we'll just have to wait 'til day and the probable murrayitis explosion | ||
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KILL PANDAIN | ||
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what the hell at this third party crap Gonna vote for kenpachi and meapak kenpachi because pandain finds him red (if kenpachi is blue, pandain dies tomorrow), meapak because he randomly tried to mount a ridiculous case against me | ||
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you were checked granted, i think pandain is scum gf so if you're blue we'll avenge you, dw | ||
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to guarantee a scum kill Vote Pandain and Kenpachi. You shouldn't even argue against this Pandain because you will be targeted next night. I don't even know how you haven't been killed yet if you are blue, your role is painfully good at this stage in the game. Either way, either Pandain's red or Kenpachi's red so we kill both = guarantee scum kill = we still get to play another day. Do it. | ||
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Double Lynch (9/9) Pandain Node Nemesis Glasse LunarDestiny Infundibulum I think it's safe to say there are at least one or two scum in this list. Pandain Node Nemesis Infundibulum What do you think we should do, go for a risk and try to hit 2 scum today (in this case I vote for Pandain and Nemesis/Infundibulum) or try and hit 1 scum for sure to 'possibly' extend the game (in this case I vote for Pandain and Kenpachi)? | ||
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i'm gonna go out on a limb (100% feel) and vote for pandain and nemesis rot in hell motherfuckers | ||
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Wait if KtheZ was insane and Pandain was red by an insane check then he's blue, then he's telling the truth and kenpachi is red? i'm confused | ||
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if you have 2kp kill node too <3 | ||
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okay if pandain's really stupid enough to make his 3 mafia allies in the same 3 confirmed blue list with him then... well then he's really stupid | ||
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but then i'm banking on pandain being godfather | ||
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sorry gotta stop spamming with these triple posts | ||
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On November 11 2010 16:14 Kenpachi wrote: Something is very wrong with Pandain.. hes faking his roleclaim.. Would it be possible to have a role as a secret Mafia townie? That would let him go as townie but he can roleclaim as roles such as his "Trash Collector" role. it's called a godfather | ||
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2. Show me the part where it says LunarDestiny is indeed the only KP role in the third party. 3. Doesn't matter because Murrayitis is probably going to blow tonight and it's probably on mostly town people, which you as scum are aware of and will make us lose anyway. 4. You and Nemesis both voted for a double lynch yesterday which is the dumbest thing town could do in a situation where Murrayitis is about to blow and most of scum is not currently known. I'd go back to your earlier posts for a proper analysis but I think this will do fine. | ||
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in a situation where most townies are unsure of what's what? it will only take ONE townie to be influenced by the 3 scum to make the wrong choice and they win. plus there's also murrayitis blowing i don't even know why you want to kill third party when they'll help us kill pandain and nemesis kthx | ||
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Pandain Jesus fuck | ||
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I promise to be your mafia bitch for the next 5 games we're together if you help us out Your mafia BITCH. think about it | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:04 LSB wrote: I think this falls under the category of "strategic modkills" or other out of game incentives. whaaaaaaaaat this is perfectly legal! or so i thought? | ||
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The guy who took the easy way out and sided with scum to win OR The guy who defied the odds by siding with town and took out the scum (who included the likes of L and Pandain by the way) in a way that will go down in TL Mafia history | ||
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reasoning: Pandain is Godfather so he only has the ability of faking his role, L would have an actual role which could really be anything so we should kill him. | ||
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it's not unlikely to win at all 4v3v2 end of night if you guys hit L 3v2v2 then we lynch pandain (duh) 3v1v2 then the remaining guy will hit one of us 2v1v2 and i'm sure we'll kill the remaining dude | ||
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I hope you rot in a grave somewhere far away I hope you meet LunarDestiny in hell I hope Satan pokes you both with his red pitchfork I hope Glasse gets reincarnated in hell as a cat And I hope Satan eats you Glasse While LunarDestiny and L watch as they slowly bleed out for the rest of eternity from their pitchfork wounds | ||
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At least I never died I hate you bastards so much | ||
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was town even paying attention at the end GOD | ||
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On November 12 2010 09:35 Infundibulum wrote: ah yeah i forgot you still had that. but it doesn't excuse me from being retarded MODKILL HIM BEFORE NIGHT ENDS PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEASE | ||
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i love you i'm going to go kill myself or something now bye | ||
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NB's post should definitely be there | ||
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POST NOW OR I FAIL | ||
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well except trying to lynch me the first day but obviously i'm too awesome and unlynchable and stuff so it didn't matter anyways | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:15 LunarDestiny wrote: What awesome stuff you did with your role Youngminii? ... nothing | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:16 Fishball wrote: Trash Collector that can check alignments, yet... people buy it. I don't understand why people didn't just KILL HIM GOD HE WAS SO OBVIOUS FROM THE START | ||
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i see 3/2/0 atm | ||
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that's what you @#$%ers get for siding with scum | ||
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so do i loser | ||
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Should've pushed for your lynch earlier instead of just wandering around saying 'oh hey L is playing weirdly someone look into that kthx' | ||
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Pandain, sorry if I seemed to come off as aggressive and a faggot to ya, I just knew you were scum and I wanted to dismiss your posts as cleanly and quickly as possible. Good work L, you magnificent bastard. Aeres, don't lie again >< DrH, could've played better, but that's rich coming from me, hah. Kenpachi, I believed you Artanis and LSB, thanks for running this fantastic game. You guys are awesome. I love you. We love you. <3 | ||
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On November 12 2010 10:37 infinitestory wrote: the town was pretty indecisive, a recurring theme... WELCOME TO TL MAFIA! | ||
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this game was over so long ago, we just got super lucky with most of our scum kills | ||
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I feel as if the only good thing I achieved in this game was stopping the Pandain v DrH spamfest. I think I need to up my scumhunting. I had suspicions on Pandain, Nemesis, RoL, L, infinitestory and kitaman throughout the game. If I had pushed for the right lynches I think I may have served a bit of a better purpose. If fishball didn't get modkilled the game could have been a bit different, oh well that kinda sucks. Can someone enlighten me on what I should have done and what I shouldn't have done? | ||
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I probably would've, but then that stupid rolecheck came back and messed with us. Should've seen through it, there is no reason why Pandain would have lived through those nights if he really was what he claimed he was. | ||
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I dunno, it was hard to try when I had exams and he had over 700 posts by day 3 or something stupid like that. I did say THAT in itself was a reason Pandain was scum, and we all divided the 700 posts to analyse them, but I didn't press on with it and he slipped away once again. Damn you Pandain, this won't ever happen again <.< | ||
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Riight | ||
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By the way, what was with that "I gained confidence" thing that he said at the end? | ||
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Lynch All Liars is a pro-town policy that is designed to stop unneeded confusion. You do not make up roleclaims in situations like that. Maybe in the end game where it can help you avoid a lylo or where you can protect someone very important but in his situation, LAL is the best policy. | ||
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Even if a townie is found out to have lied and the rest of town isn't sure whether or not to lynch him, it's way too easy for scum to push LAL and influence the town and come out with a free lynch. Do not lie. | ||
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Unless it was done in a special scenario. Not following LAL just opens up opportunities to confuse and for scum to openly lie and get away with it imo. But everyone's entitled to an opinion. Yeah, this post was not directed at kingjames. You have to stop being aggressive, especially when you didn't make it past day 1. I don't care what you think about this game. I don't care what you think about my play. I don't even care if you're a smurf, why don't you just take it down a notch and talk in a readable manner that doesn't disgust me just by skimming it? | ||
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On November 12 2010 13:44 kingjames01 wrote: I was so angry about this game. There were SO many mistakes made by the town. Unfortunately I was killed the first night... (WHAT THE HELL WAS UP WITH THAT???) It was obvious that Pandain's bid to become mayor was mafia-concocted. Two other players supported him with very shoddy reasoning. That should have been enough to kill 3 mafia. Another thing that really made my blood boil was the stupidity over the existence of the Godfather and whether or not Pandain could have been him. Godfather can choose to appear as WHATEVER he wants. The perfect role is to pretend that you know when someone is Red or Blue since you know that already. It is IDIOTIC to start with the assumption that there is no Godfather. Also, in order to win the game as town, you have to think like mafia. If some mafia is going to get lynched, the perfect plan is to bus a teammate, ESPECIALLY, if that means the Godfather is safe. I watched the entire game and I was not overly impressed with ANYONE's play. After the game, everyone is patting each other's backs and saying, "yeah, that was great how you pulled that off! You're a great player" or "that was some great analysis. You really got that right." NO! EVERYONE ELSE FUCKED UP. I'm so mad. =( On November 12 2010 13:50 kingjames01 wrote: Also, it was CLEAR that Aeres tried to pretend to be a second bodyguard since he thought DCLXVI had accidentally outted himself. I understood as soon as it happened. The reason why I didn't bring it up was BECAUSE I understood as soon as it happened. If you're FUCKING town, then put a little bit of thought into it, understand it and then go along with it, you shallow-minded fools. Don't make him explain himself. That negates the point of his move. He had a role which allowed him to take that risk. He took one for the team but you guys lynched him for it. I'd say this is a temper tantrum, especially with your other post before you edited it. It's okay though, I don't give a shit, I just think you should stop being an ass in general and maybe give some proper constructive criticism that doesn't make my eyes bleed by trying to read it. | ||
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I still say LAL is the best way but there are always going to be LAL dissidents and I'm fine with that. | ||
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On November 13 2010 04:19 Aeres wrote: Oh crap, I missed the ending of the game. Good work, Mafia. Now, I wanna post the death message that I was planning on when I was lynched; I didn't know I couldn't post this after my lynch, due to some miscommunication between me and Artanis, so I guess I'll post it now. + Show Spoiler + Heh… looks like I got to visit the gallows after all. Unfortunately, I wasn't lying when I said I was a townie, as you guys already know at this point. Then again, I suppose your convictions against me were valid, if incorrect. I'm not particularly happy about my death, but I don't blame you guys in the slightest. Hell, if that was any other player who had fake-claimed Bodyguard and fucked it up to the extent that you saw, I'd be voting for that guy's execution, too. So, I don't feel like my death was unjustified. I admit my idea for protecting the Doc, although feasible in theory, was just horribly played out. I blame that on A) being generally inexperienced, B) wanting to service the town within the limits of my role, C) liking the idea of being a sensationalist hero (lol), and D) not bothering to think anything through completely. Truth be told, I suck. I wanted to improve, so I decided to try something unorthodox in a game I was participating in. There's only so much you can glean from reading past games, so I wanted to see if my observations of Ace, BC, L, the Doc, Qatol, and the other "Big Gunz" in TL Mafia would pay off. Clearly, they didn't. I don't like being conservative in games like these. It's a great feeling to win debates and prove claims, especially in a team setting where your actions can win you the game, so I went on a much more active tack than my play in Haunted Mafia showed. I wanted that chance to be "the man", the guy whose actions were critical to the game. I did not meet the requirements for The Man™; in fact, my claim was about as believable as Blizzard's argument for IP rights in Korea. -.- But I digress. Good intentions, plausible ideas… terrible implementation. The story of my life… and now of my death. Take care, guys. I'm most likely going to sit out the next Mafia game, partly so I don't inadvertently screw up the game again, partly due to schoolwork encroaching on my free time, and partly because of self-pity, I guess. It's pretty discouraging to have what you think is a sound plan getting shot down because of its utter stupidity, and then being derided as a stupid player. I'm not trying to QQ, but that's pretty much how I feel. + Show Spoiler + As a final addendum to this little monologue, I'd like to throw a message out to the good Doc. Doc, I'm fully aware that I'll sound like a creepy son of a bitch for saying this, but I defended you so adamantly early in the game because… I suppose it's because I look up to you as a player. A sort of icon, if you will, as to how a Mafia player should act and think. I want to emulate that set of qualities, but inexperienced as I am, I can't hope to do so just yet. I also felt that your abilities (not just your role, but your skills as a player) were vital to the town, so I wanted to protect you as best I could. In the end, I stabbed myself in the back, but I was convinced till the end that you were a townie. Taking one for the team isn't always a smart decision (as seen in my horrible fuckup), but I couldn't think of another way to help the town. My role was suited to protection, and who better to protect than the Mayor, who also happens to be a role model to me? Aww Sorry if I or Ace or anyone else made you feel like an idiot, but you shouldn't take that to heart. Play again and get better, no one's going to look down on you for being a new player that made a mistake in that one game. | ||
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